A nonpartisan team from the Brazilian Senate budget analysts on Monday handed potential legal ammunition both to opponents and supporters of suspended President Dilma Rousseff as she tries to survive n impeachment trial. Read full article
3 Jack Bauer …are misinformed, they consult biased sources
Like Fortune, plus55, The Wall Street Journey, Business Standard are biased in favour of Rousseff? Give yourself a shake. There's just the small matter of you meeting your burden of proof. Oh! thats right you don't do that, you've never relied on truth, preferring exclusively to depend on your inane bullshit.
@4 T.Hill
If you were aware of what the Law of Fiscal Responsibility dictates, you wouldn't be so quick to swallow all the leftist bs.....but then again, you don't know the difference between an opinion and proof....if an opinion needed proof to be valid, it would no longer be just an opinion - it would be fact. You burraldo...
5 Jack Bauer
You don't know the difference between an opinion and proof Fortunately, I do proofs are usually irreproachable; whereas opinions always need to be supported. Otherwise, they are simply attempts by the author to masquerade themselves as facts. What are you babbling about? There has been nothing proffered but opinions. The difference is yours is nothing, but your own unsupported personal ones, a guess at best. Whereas, I show the opinions of highly placed journlists, from well respected publications. Whom, incidentally give completely contrary opinions to yourself. So it's your contention that Rousseff is in breach of the Law of Fiscal Responsibility. If this was true it should be a slam-dunk to show where, otherwise its you just you folishly embracing ideas with little or no understanding of the subject matter.
@6 THill
The self-proclaimed expert on Brazil spouting his usual crap.....although he's never lived here......
Even Rouseff, definitely the worst President to ever be elected in Brazil, has the right to defend herself....It's just a matter of time, but she'll go down....much to yr chagrin.
7 Jack Bauer
Much to yr chagrin. Hardly! as I have no political, or emotional attachment in the outcome. My interest is in exposing those who dishonesty 'play fast and loose' with facts. You, who feels such unethical conduct is excusable, because it satisfies some subjective need of yours. Like I am correct, you don't have a clue as to even which part of the Law of Fiscal Responsibility she is supposed to have breached. Moreover, it must be of sufficient legal weight as to trump the following Constitutional prerogative.
CONSTITUTION OF THE FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC OF BRAZIL 3rd Edition 2010
section II
duties of the president of the republic
article 84.
IV - sanction, promulgate and order the publication of laws, as well as to issue decrees and regulations for the true enforcement thereof;
...
VI - provide for the following, by means of a decree:
a) organization and operation of federal government services, whenever no augmentation of expenditures or creation or abolishment of government bodies is involved;
@8 THILL
My interest is in exposing those... ; exposing ??? you only expose your own ignorance and bigotry.
As Nigel Farage would say, just who do you think you are ?
In fact you are no better than all those stupid liberals in Brussels that just want to sponge off, and very hansomely, the Europeans that work. You are a nobody, reason why you probably lie so much to cover up your obvious inferiority complex.
9 Jack Bauer
Boy you do like to make a lot of noise when your claims are taken too task and have been shown to be false. Thank you for confirming you don't know what you're talking about. After months of insisting that Rousseff is in violation of the Law of Fiscal Responsibility. You can't show where, therefore your claim is shown to have no merit. Moreover, you can't point to any such law that overrides the presidential prerogative under article 84 of the Constitution.
Just fyg, the Senate's team of expert auditors issued a report which concluded that fat D signed 4 numberless Decree-Laws, forcing the two Federal banks to lend the Government R$ 55 billion, so that it could hide the deficit in 2014, the election year ; tantamount to manipulating the bugdet without Congressional approval - illegal, and with one purpose - to fool the voters ; that the manipulation distorted the result of the fiscal superavit/deficit for 2014...and again in 2015, is beyond question ; at first fat D and her cronies denied such wrongdoing. When evidence started surfacing and they could no longer deny it, they tried to justify it by saying previous governments had acted in the same way - true, but with values inferior to 2% of the hole caused by fat D. They are just a bunch of dirty , corrupt liars.
The fact is that this last reports just confirms the accusations she and her band of 40 thieves are being charged with.
Your 'journalists' may write whatever their their ideological bias prompts them to, in order to defend, at all costs, the image of the decadent, socialist and corrupt ex-PT government in Brazil, but they are definitely NOT better informed that the audting team from the Senate.....but believe what your limited brain tells you to. You always have.
Even if she weren't guilty of such charges, she deserves to be kicked out and prosecuted on account of her incompetent leadership and for turning a blind eye to all the corruption which caused PB and Brazil go down the drain.
11 Jack Bauer
I have read the same reports. But Brazil's constant attempts to try the case in the 'media' doesn't wash. An accused is entitled to know specifically what law they are supposed to have breeched. So until
there are specifics forthcoming, it still is speculative. You don't know what the specifics are, but are quite prepared to pass judgement, in spite of your limited knowledge. Nor are you able to show how this claim would override the presidential prerogative under article 84 of the Constitution.
Your 'journalists' may write whatever their their ideological bias prompts them to Is simply your attempt to malign such prestigious publications, like the Wall Street Journal and Fortune, which are considered both orthodox and politically neutral. The rest of your diatribe is just so much ignorant nonsense that could never be acted upon.
@12 THIll
Since you keep on mentioning Article 84 of the Constitution, tell me in which clause it specifically authorizes the President to alter the budget - set by the LDO (approved by Congress) , without (new) Congressional approval ?
The fact that she approved /signed the 4 Decree Laws to obtain extra funds (R$ 55 billion) to cover the gaping hole she made in the budget - all un-numbered, with the sole purpose of hiding her actions - to the point of the two Federal banks not even officially registering these loans (acting under her instructions, direct or indirect, makes no difference), is sufficient to impeach her.....as foreseen in the Law of Fiscal Responsibility. This has been amply shown by the experts called to bear witness in the Senate hearings. The PT's defence changes all the time - when they realize they're barking up the wrong tree, they go and bark elsewhere. If her defence was had any consistency, she wouldn't need 40 plus witnessess to come to the stand to repeat the same lies - under the belief that if repeated enough, the lies will become the truth.
13 Jack Bauer
As foreseen in the Law of Fiscal Responsibility which still remains intangibly hidden. It's only mentioned in dispatches, I'm still awaiting the chapter and verse.
Article 84 has two sub-sections as shown in post #8. It's so explicit that if it didn't fit you would be able to show the 'where' and the 'why'. So other than you being stuck in the same political limbo of being unable to point to any act that overides that particular presidential prerogative, what else is new.
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff Found Not Guilty Of Budgetary Maneuvers – Analysis
This new report confirms the illegitimate nature of allegations against Dilma Rousseff, and reaffirms that Dilma’s impeachment allegations are not based on governmental mismanagement, but are, in fact, a political mutiny by former allies.
*Aline Piva, Research Fellow and Desirée Mota, Research Associate at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs
urasiareview.com/07072016-brazil-dilma-rousseff-found-not-guilty-of-budgetary-maneuvers-analysis/
If Dilma’s impeachment were actually motivated by its stated cause — lawbreaking — this devastating report would stop impeachment in its tracks. Elio Gaspari, a leading columnist with Brazil’s largest paper, Folha de São Paulo, wrote on Tuesday — under the headline “There is a Coup” — that in light of this new report, Dilma’s impeachment may not be a “coup” in the sense that it is being achieved extra-legally, but it is now a coup in the sense that it is achieved without elections: by “plotting” through a “ruse.”…Even the vehemently anti-Dilma paper Estadão documented how leading impeachment advocates this week instantly shifted their rationale: from claiming that pedaladas requires her impeachment to proclaiming that it was never actually important in the first place” https://theintercept.com/2016/06/30/major-new-brazil-events-expose-the-fraud-of-dilmas-impeachment-and-temers-corruption/
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Disclaimer & comment rulesRousseff signed budget decrees without congressional approval, claim Senate experts....
Jun 28th, 2016 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the accusation stands. Dilma and her cronies can twist the facts as they like, but it won't change them.
Independent auditors hired by Brazil's Senate said in a report released that suspended President Dilma Rousseff didn't engage in the creative accounting she was charged with at her impeachment trial. …The report says Rousseff did not delay payments to state-run banks as charged. That would have violated Brazil's fiscal laws. Business Standard June 28, 2016
Jun 29th, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/no-creative-accounting-by-brazil-s-rousseff-auditors-116062800027_1.html
'But the group also said Ms. Rousseff wasn’t personally to blame for the fund-transfer delay. “There was not any identified act by the president that would have contributed directly or indirectly to the delays,” the report said.'
The Wall Street Journal Jun 27, 2016 http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/no-creative-accounting-by-brazil-s-rousseff-auditors-116062800027_1.html
'DILMA ROUSSEFF DIDN’T TAKE PART IN FISCAL CRIMES, SAY AUDITORS
...considered the suspended President innocent of the fiscal maneuvers on which the impeachment process is based'
By plus55 on Jun 28, 2016 http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/no-creative-accounting-by-brazil-s-rousseff-auditors-116062800027_1.html
Brazil’s interim president Michel Temer is distributing political favors in exchange for support over the final vote to impeach Dilma Rousseff, according to news outlet Estadao.
Telesur Published 27 June 2016 http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/no-creative-accounting-by-brazil-s-rousseff-auditors-116062800027_1.html
”The impeachment case against President Dilma centers around creative accounting, in which the Federal government delayed payments to state banks in order to make the budget deficit look smaller than it really was. Because such techniques are quite common, and were used by previous presidents, this is a controversial case in constitutional terms, and looks like the application of a double standard. Fortune http://www.business-standard.com/article/international/no-creative-accounting-by-brazil-s-rousseff-auditors-116062800027_1.html
Some people are misinformed, but that is not their fault, they really don't know what they are talkng about as they consult biased sources.
Jul 01st, 2016 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 03 Jack Bauer …are misinformed, they consult biased sources
Jul 01st, 2016 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Fortune, plus55, The Wall Street Journey, Business Standard are biased in favour of Rousseff? Give yourself a shake. There's just the small matter of you meeting your burden of proof. Oh! thats right you don't do that, you've never relied on truth, preferring exclusively to depend on your inane bullshit.
@4 T.Hill
Jul 01st, 2016 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you were aware of what the Law of Fiscal Responsibility dictates, you wouldn't be so quick to swallow all the leftist bs.....but then again, you don't know the difference between an opinion and proof....if an opinion needed proof to be valid, it would no longer be just an opinion - it would be fact. You burraldo...
5 Jack Bauer
Jul 01st, 2016 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't know the difference between an opinion and proof Fortunately, I do proofs are usually irreproachable; whereas opinions always need to be supported. Otherwise, they are simply attempts by the author to masquerade themselves as facts. What are you babbling about? There has been nothing proffered but opinions. The difference is yours is nothing, but your own unsupported personal ones, a guess at best. Whereas, I show the opinions of highly placed journlists, from well respected publications. Whom, incidentally give completely contrary opinions to yourself. So it's your contention that Rousseff is in breach of the Law of Fiscal Responsibility. If this was true it should be a slam-dunk to show where, otherwise its you just you folishly embracing ideas with little or no understanding of the subject matter.
@6 THill
Jul 04th, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The self-proclaimed expert on Brazil spouting his usual crap.....although he's never lived here......
Even Rouseff, definitely the worst President to ever be elected in Brazil, has the right to defend herself....It's just a matter of time, but she'll go down....much to yr chagrin.
7 Jack Bauer
Jul 04th, 2016 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much to yr chagrin. Hardly! as I have no political, or emotional attachment in the outcome. My interest is in exposing those who dishonesty 'play fast and loose' with facts. You, who feels such unethical conduct is excusable, because it satisfies some subjective need of yours. Like I am correct, you don't have a clue as to even which part of the Law of Fiscal Responsibility she is supposed to have breached. Moreover, it must be of sufficient legal weight as to trump the following Constitutional prerogative.
CONSTITUTION OF THE FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC OF BRAZIL 3rd Edition 2010
section II
duties of the president of the republic
article 84.
IV - sanction, promulgate and order the publication of laws, as well as to issue decrees and regulations for the true enforcement thereof;
...
VI - provide for the following, by means of a decree:
a) organization and operation of federal government services, whenever no augmentation of expenditures or creation or abolishment of government bodies is involved;
@8 THILL
Jul 05th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My interest is in exposing those... ; exposing ??? you only expose your own ignorance and bigotry.
As Nigel Farage would say, just who do you think you are ?
In fact you are no better than all those stupid liberals in Brussels that just want to sponge off, and very hansomely, the Europeans that work. You are a nobody, reason why you probably lie so much to cover up your obvious inferiority complex.
9 Jack Bauer
Jul 06th, 2016 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boy you do like to make a lot of noise when your claims are taken too task and have been shown to be false. Thank you for confirming you don't know what you're talking about. After months of insisting that Rousseff is in violation of the Law of Fiscal Responsibility. You can't show where, therefore your claim is shown to have no merit. Moreover, you can't point to any such law that overrides the presidential prerogative under article 84 of the Constitution.
@10 THill
Jul 06th, 2016 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just fyg, the Senate's team of expert auditors issued a report which concluded that fat D signed 4 numberless Decree-Laws, forcing the two Federal banks to lend the Government R$ 55 billion, so that it could hide the deficit in 2014, the election year ; tantamount to manipulating the bugdet without Congressional approval - illegal, and with one purpose - to fool the voters ; that the manipulation distorted the result of the fiscal superavit/deficit for 2014...and again in 2015, is beyond question ; at first fat D and her cronies denied such wrongdoing. When evidence started surfacing and they could no longer deny it, they tried to justify it by saying previous governments had acted in the same way - true, but with values inferior to 2% of the hole caused by fat D. They are just a bunch of dirty , corrupt liars.
The fact is that this last reports just confirms the accusations she and her band of 40 thieves are being charged with.
Your 'journalists' may write whatever their their ideological bias prompts them to, in order to defend, at all costs, the image of the decadent, socialist and corrupt ex-PT government in Brazil, but they are definitely NOT better informed that the audting team from the Senate.....but believe what your limited brain tells you to. You always have.
Even if she weren't guilty of such charges, she deserves to be kicked out and prosecuted on account of her incompetent leadership and for turning a blind eye to all the corruption which caused PB and Brazil go down the drain.
11 Jack Bauer
Jul 07th, 2016 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have read the same reports. But Brazil's constant attempts to try the case in the 'media' doesn't wash. An accused is entitled to know specifically what law they are supposed to have breeched. So until
there are specifics forthcoming, it still is speculative. You don't know what the specifics are, but are quite prepared to pass judgement, in spite of your limited knowledge. Nor are you able to show how this claim would override the presidential prerogative under article 84 of the Constitution.
Your 'journalists' may write whatever their their ideological bias prompts them to Is simply your attempt to malign such prestigious publications, like the Wall Street Journal and Fortune, which are considered both orthodox and politically neutral. The rest of your diatribe is just so much ignorant nonsense that could never be acted upon.
@12 THIll
Jul 07th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you keep on mentioning Article 84 of the Constitution, tell me in which clause it specifically authorizes the President to alter the budget - set by the LDO (approved by Congress) , without (new) Congressional approval ?
The fact that she approved /signed the 4 Decree Laws to obtain extra funds (R$ 55 billion) to cover the gaping hole she made in the budget - all un-numbered, with the sole purpose of hiding her actions - to the point of the two Federal banks not even officially registering these loans (acting under her instructions, direct or indirect, makes no difference), is sufficient to impeach her.....as foreseen in the Law of Fiscal Responsibility. This has been amply shown by the experts called to bear witness in the Senate hearings. The PT's defence changes all the time - when they realize they're barking up the wrong tree, they go and bark elsewhere. If her defence was had any consistency, she wouldn't need 40 plus witnessess to come to the stand to repeat the same lies - under the belief that if repeated enough, the lies will become the truth.
13 Jack Bauer
Jul 07th, 2016 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As foreseen in the Law of Fiscal Responsibility which still remains intangibly hidden. It's only mentioned in dispatches, I'm still awaiting the chapter and verse.
Article 84 has two sub-sections as shown in post #8. It's so explicit that if it didn't fit you would be able to show the 'where' and the 'why'. So other than you being stuck in the same political limbo of being unable to point to any act that overides that particular presidential prerogative, what else is new.
Brazil: Dilma Rousseff Found Not Guilty Of Budgetary Maneuvers – Analysis
This new report confirms the illegitimate nature of allegations against Dilma Rousseff, and reaffirms that Dilma’s impeachment allegations are not based on governmental mismanagement, but are, in fact, a political mutiny by former allies.
*Aline Piva, Research Fellow and Desirée Mota, Research Associate at the Council on Hemispheric Affairs
urasiareview.com/07072016-brazil-dilma-rousseff-found-not-guilty-of-budgetary-maneuvers-analysis/
If Dilma’s impeachment were actually motivated by its stated cause — lawbreaking — this devastating report would stop impeachment in its tracks. Elio Gaspari, a leading columnist with Brazil’s largest paper, Folha de São Paulo, wrote on Tuesday — under the headline “There is a Coup” — that in light of this new report, Dilma’s impeachment may not be a “coup” in the sense that it is being achieved extra-legally, but it is now a coup in the sense that it is achieved without elections: by “plotting” through a “ruse.”…Even the vehemently anti-Dilma paper Estadão documented how leading impeachment advocates this week instantly shifted their rationale: from claiming that pedaladas requires her impeachment to proclaiming that it was never actually important in the first place”
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/30/major-new-brazil-events-expose-the-fraud-of-dilmas-impeachment-and-temers-corruption/
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