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Scotland pleads to stay in the EU but Spain rejected the idea: “if UK leaves, Scotland leaves”

Thursday, June 30th 2016 - 15:32 UTC
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Scottish leader Nicola Sturgeon pleaded her case in Brussels on Wednesday for Scots to stay in the EU, showing how Britain's vote to leave the bloc could splinter the United Kingdom. But she drew a rebuff from Spain and a mixed response from European officials. Read full article


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  • DennisA

    Scotland pleads to stay in? Nicola Sturgeon is a little quick off the mark.

    Scots have been to the polls five times in just over two years. In the Scottish Independence Referendum they voted 55% to 45% to stay in the UK with an 82% turn out.

    The turnout for the EU Referendum was lower than the rest of the UK at 67%, with a majority to remain of 24% of those voting. It was heavily skewed by Edinburgh (74% turnout, 75%-25%) and Glasgow, (56% turnout, 66%-34%, but only 37% of the Glasgow electorate voted remain). In Aberdeen, 41% of the electorate voted to remain on a 67% turnout.

    Nicola Sturgeon is being a little silly in thinking she has Scotland totally in her pocket. If she comes up with yet another Scottish Independence Referendum, she may well get a wee surprise.

    If she were to get a mandate to leave the UK, she then has the problem of applying to join the EU, a process which would take some time and which by then may be less of an attractive option after the loss of the UK contribution.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    You are right, it could take many years to actually leave the EU. We will still be paying £ 266 million ( net ) to the EU for the forseeable future until we have all the protocols in place. So the EU are not in any hurry to see us leave.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Wonder Woman, just an attention seeker. If Scotland want to leave the UK, their loss..

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes Doido

    I actually think Scotland will have had the second inyref, and will about to be returning to being an Independent state, - Before the 'UK' gets its arse out of Europe.
    Nobody seriously thought the UK would vote to leave the EU, did they?
    Lots of people in dinial regarding the likelyhood of Scotland's Independence.....

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Nobody seriously thought Scotland would vote to leave the UK, did they?
    ..they were right
    and they would be right again....

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker


    We are all getting just bit fed up with Jimmy Krankie. She knows full well that France and Spain will block her entry to the EU now and anytime she wants to join, or they hand a blue print to Catalonia and The Basque and Flanders. They will just not do it.

    I personally think that Brexit has destroyed all hope of Scotland ever being independent. All the variables she could hide behind have now disappeared, the facts now speak for themselves, independence would meet tariffs and a border between Scotland and it largest trading partner to the tune of 90% of their trade.

    With Little or no chance of joining the EU, they would have to be insane.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Icepilot

    The Scottish seem like a drag on England, why doesnt England cut them adrift?

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Ahh, ahh.... 3rd biggest economy, mercopress, 3rd biggest.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    You tell me . Could it be that the “ English” economy would take a drastic hit if some of their brightest professionals were pushed out of employment.
    The armed forces would be in serious trouble and be unable to function properly with the loss of skilled personnel. As it is the RN cannot recruit enough men to man their nuclear subs. Yes in time, England would re-adjust but it would be diminished .
    All you have to look at is the name of the party. Scottish National Party.
    Their aim is independence.
    They are in power in Scotland without a majority.
    Scotland used to be labour but with the bunch of comedians now running the party, who would vote for them.
    Conservatives are still believed to be the party for the privileged whose interest is to serve the S.E. of England.
    Who was there left to vote for ? My feeling is that the Scottish people -(including English people living and working up here)-think that they are doing a reasonable job BUT the bulk of the population do not support independence. Not necessarily because of economics but because of family ties.

    For the benefit of the professional Scots haters who designate us as “scroungers”
    The following may be of interest.
    “72% of full-time first degree graduates from Scottish HEIs who were employed in the UK were in posts classified as professional occupations – the highest for all UK countries
    The median salary for first degree graduates from Scottish HEIs who went into full time employment in the UK was £22,000 – the highest median salary for all UK countries”
    In that respect we seem to be ahead of England, as in many other aspects.

    Nobody has a clue as to what will happen in 2/3 years time. We could be at war with Russia or China, an asteroid could hit the planet, global warming could accelerate and millions of sub-Saharan Africans could be heading our way.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Icepilot

    … all the time trying to undermine Britain, big themselves up and run England down? Seems like they dont want to support the UK. Just like what you say. Why should England continue paying for you?

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    We used to be a happy family, didn't we?
    We need a common enemy to keep us together! lol!
    Lets jointly invade Argentina.
    Look at the benefits.
    We'll ship all those useless Argentinos back to Spain & ltaly & resettle that resource rich country with good strong British stock.
    Will be another thriving member of the Commonwealth in no time at all.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    But Isolde, Voice is a Scot and is tucked up in bed with noxious Think, the creepy Jimmy Savile of Chewbutt. With fifth columnists amongst us we have no common enemy. They are both enemies.

    Jun 30th, 2016 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @1. I wonder if Scots have really thought through this independence and EU membership lark? Things are not as they were in 2014. Real borders will be required. Not only between England and Scotland, but also between Ulster and the Republic. Both the UK and the EU will require it. And Scotland could no longer be part of the CTA. Moving around the British Isles will mean passports, visas and so forth. And, moving on to the economic front, how will the EU respond when it sees that independence means that Scotland's economy immediately takes a £40 billion hit? Where do most of Scotland' exports go? But those good will become less attractive. Unless Scotland can negotiate a favourable trade deal with the country it has just deserted. And the English won't quickly forget what Scots said about them in 2014.
    @2. Where did DennisA say that?
    @4. Depends. What do Scots use to think with?
    @6. Depends. There's a body of opinion that Scotland should be expelled.
    @9. Do I detect a certain “grabbing at straws”? In 2014, all the talk was of how wealthy an independent Scotland would be. Where's that gone? Has anybody mentioned kicking Scots out of the UK? Of course, various jobs would no longer be open them. Anything in defence or defence-related for a start. Unless they wanted to renounce Scottish nationality. But there's always jobs for shelf stackers and fruit pickers. When you're in a card game, it's as well to ensure you have a winning hand before betting your shirt. Actually, the UK holds all the cards.

    Jul 01st, 2016 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @12 The Voice,
    Actually, l suspect that Think & Voice are the same person.
    Maybe Scottish, maybe Argentine. Most likely Argentine.
    lf Scottish then l could never understand Voice supporting the Argentines re the Falklands as a lot of Falklanders are of Scottish or part Scottish descent & Scots soldiers died in the Liberation war of 1982.
    ln the run up to the referendum of 2014, their comments were the same.
    Think was rabbiting on about “Freedom”just as much as Voice.
    They will make a slip one day & someone will notice.
    l still think that we should invade Argentina, its ripe for the taking & we'd get a few Allies from other S.A. countries.

    Jul 01st, 2016 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Has anybody mentioned kicking Scots out of the UK?
    YES. You have continuously, along with nuking them, seizing N.Sea oil/gas fields.
    So what you are saying is that no country would trade with an independent Scotland which effectively is a boycott . I beg to differ.
    No jobs in defence related industries would be open to them. Here's news for you, French Spanish and Italians have jobs in UK defence related industries.
    Of course you prefer them to the Scots...that's your choice being a lover of Frogs Dagos and Latinos. . You could not run the UK armed forces at the same level without the Scots but again this is English jingoism at it's best.
    You really have an over inflated idea of your country's self importance - I mean England. The country only works - just- due to the input of other nationalities.

    Jul 01st, 2016 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    .no one is forcing Scotland to do anything,
    this was a UK vote not a Scottish or Irish or English or welsh vote,

    they voted to leave full stop
    that is Democracy , take it or leave it,
    Democracy or dictatorship.

    Nicola Sturgeon legitimised the referendum by actively campaigning in Scotland and England , she also attended TV and paper interviews,

    and actively took a full part in the referendum.


    Jul 01st, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @15 Clyde15,
    Thats just Conqueror.
    Sometimes hes funny or witty, sometimes hes not.
    l think that he drinks a lot.
    l don't mind the occasional(!)drink myself, but l try not to get belligerent when l do.
    Please don't take too much notice of him & don't go.
    l enjoy your posts.

    Jul 02nd, 2016 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Now now people,
    Scotland aint going anywhere yet,

    as @15 Clyde15
    stated no one knows what will happen in the years to come,
    nothing will move here until that red button is pressed, and then it will take two years at the earliest,

    sturgeon has no legality to impose ,bar her own entry to the local nuthouse,

    one suspects the unmighty EU may well have at least another 3/5 referendums before we go,
    France , Italy , Denmark , Holland and hungry, and any one of them could well follow,

    as a unionist, its better we remain together for all our sakes,
    the biggest danger [ in my opinion ]
    to the wealth , defence , and prosperity to this country are our inept incompetent politicians, who have only their own deluded dreams ,

    The future will come soon enough,
    stay together, rather than tear each other apart, for the only real losers will be the people,

    the politicians will all sod off when it all goes wrong,
    just my humble opinion.

    Jul 02nd, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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