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Spain insists with joint sovereignty for Gibraltar, if it wants to remain in the EU
Spain has said it will formally propose to the European Union that the question of Gibraltar be treated separately when it negotiates Britain’s exit. The acting Foreign Minister, José Manuel García-Margallo reminded journalists in Spain that when Britain leaves all EU treaties will stop applying to the Rock. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGarcía-Margallo and Malcorra, thieves together.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN, international law mean anything to them or UK tourist business to Spain?
Obviously not, as if they had a case, they would have been at the ICJ long ago.
So, better think again like drop the false claims.
The Gibraltarians should look for political union with Malta prior to the UK leaving the EU, with a rented British military base...the payment of which would be the provided security.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gib could declare full independence. That would put a spanner in Spain's imperialist ambitions. Then they could apply to join the EU if they want.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0But a majority of people in the UK voted to leave. If Gib wants to remain a BOT then they must accept the will of the majority. That's democracy for you.
And the British will continue to protect Gib and its people.
The EU won't protect Gibraltar.
I thought that was obvious when the EU appointed a Spanish judge to be an 'independent' arbiter between Spain and Gib. The unelected corrupt officials in the EU only care about extending their own power and wealth. They'll happily trample on people's human rights to keep it.
The quicker we're out of the EU the better.
Spain will be far more financially hurt than Gib. And Gib can start forming trade deals with North Africa without all the stupid EU red tape.
I wonder at the spanish “situation”. Garcia-Margallo misses no opportunity to mention that, according to the Treaty of Utrecht 1713, Gibraltar has no territorial waters outside the Port of Gibraltar. Conveniently “forgetting” UNCLOS. On that basis, spain has no territorial waters either! There are EU treaties covering Gibraltar? I'm amazed that Garcia-Margallo has heard of them. What has he been doing making life difficult for Gibraltarians for so long? I'm also surprised that the UK continues with the position that, in the event of the UK relinquishing sovereignty, it must first be offered to spain under Article X of the Treaty. Especially since, in respect of Gibraltar alone, spain has breached the treaty no less than 14 times!
Jul 04th, 2016 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Eu going to make an example with this case.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Especially if junker is still around in September.
Some things to note in reference to comments above.
- Spain will treat Gibraltar's various 96% polls with the same respect that the colonial British/Dutch treated the wishes of Spain and any residents living in the relevant territory.
- Alliances will not be formed with Scotland, Malta or other EU countries. Spain will bulldozer such efforts from within the EU parliament with vetoes and diplomacy.
- Brits will not stop holidaying in Spain, and if they did the rooms would simply be taken up by Germans or Russians. This is not a threat, it makes me laugh every time I see it.
- historic factoids about subsections of articles of treaties from a bygone age will not help you.
- Spain is not nearly as broke as you wish, its a trillion euro economy with huge reserves.
- thank you for voting leave.
First the empire.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the kingdom?
Who'da thunk it?
@5 Vestige
Jul 04th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhh Vesty, still not on the same planet as the rest of us, I see. Let me enlighten you on a few points considered.
The “will of the people” is a concept taken far more seriously in the modern world than it ever was in the early 1700s, where it didn’t really exist.
You see the world, or rather most of it, has moved on a long way since then. Although not you apparently.
Even Mr Margarllo himself has stated they have no intention of closing the Gib Spain border.
For very good and obvious reasons, apart from the effect on La Linear and beyond, the Spanish have seen what Mr Putin has done to the Turkish tourist industry, only took a few weeks for the grovelling phone call and apology.
As for that doddering old fool Jean Claud Wanker, not only the embarrassment of having the EU break up on his watch, but also had to suffer the SUPREME HUMILITATION of going to the EU parliament so Nigel Farage could laugh at him, with the world watching.
Absolutely f*ucking priceless.
Dream on Spain - you have no say.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Gibraltarians will decide.
Dear Spain,
Jul 04th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The EU cannot overrule the UN.
End of.
If you have a problem then address it to the International Courts of Justice.
Funny. Spain demands that when GB exits the EU, that Scotland and N.Ireland follow.....logical ; however, why does Spain think that Gibraltar should be treated differently ? And why does Spain ignore the right of the Gibraltarians to decide their own future ? That's the kind of crap that justifies getting the hell out of the EU.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Catalonian independence?
Jul 04th, 2016 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain can demand what likes,but it will get what the British Government gives it.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering that Spain once had Portugal, once tried to unionise France, and Andorra,
Jul 04th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and now wants Gibraltar, She has the canary islands , two bits of territory on the north African coast and the Balearic islands,
She once held Florida and other parts of the USA,
Perhaps Spain would like Europe and world as well,
Is their anything or any land this country does not want.??
“García Margallo reiterated Spain will formally propose joint sovereignty,”
Jul 04th, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what.
What part of' you need to go to the ICJ and make a coherent case 'do you not understand Gollum 2 ?” (Chris R cpyrght)
“He explained this would be for a specified period of time with Gibraltarians able to keep their British nationality and economic and fiscal regime.”
That specified period of time is as endless as the Gibraltarian wish-old prat.
“It is a generous offer, which make perfect business sense”, and described the possibility of Scotland and Gibraltar negotiating their own status as a midsummer night’s dream.”
“and discussing the possibility of a joint strategy on Gibraltar and the Falklands in the wake of Brexit.”
What, like going to the ICJ?
More like a joint strategy of the same whingeing and whining that has plagued us all for years, and has resulted in the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar remaining................... British.
It would make perfect business sense for Catalonia to become independent and shake of the sponger that is Spain.
Ah, good old Argentine words of “insist” & “demand”.
Jul 04th, 2016 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l can see where they got them from.
Mother Spain.
7 et al.
Jul 05th, 2016 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clink.
What about Galician independence?
Jul 05th, 2016 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're Celts.
Maybe the Scots have a actionable claim on it.
@7
Jul 05th, 2016 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I watched Farage give his speech post Brexit vote as you say and as you say Absolutely f*ucking priceless LOL
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Jul 05th, 2016 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get me wrong, I like Nigel Farage but his last speech to the Parliament was not his best. A simple “my work here is almost done” would have sufficed.
As for Gibraltar, its up to the people who live on the Rock. Spain is on the verge of a huge financial crisis and will take Italy and Portugal with them to join Greece.
Hopefully we will be out of the EU when their banks collapse and won't have to help in clearing up the mess.
I am pleased Mrs May is refusing to give any guarantees to EU migrants and certainly the many Spanish who have come to the UK to live should be amongst the first to be deported.
Ah yes, the EU is imploding, imminent collapse of Portugal, Italy and Spain as of 2008. Any day now.
Jul 05th, 2016 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, GB will have access to the single market, all that has to be done is to sign up for free movement first.
Then some simple accords, agreement to standards, and an annual contribution.
Hey presto - single market access, and you still get to spend that 350 extra million on the NHS.
I'm sure the 900,000 Brits in Spain will be in full support.
Now if you could just get that article 50 signing out of the way.
Some time today would be nice.
Ha ha ha. At least one hot headed little Spaniard flushed out, perhaps three I Think.
Jul 05th, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bet, you have brown eyes, leathery skin and facial hair - whatever your gender.
Article 50?
You need to have patience.
It will be served when it is in our best interests to do so. Maybe today, maybe tomorrow....maybe next year....maybe.
@20 Vestige
Jul 05th, 2016 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alternatively we have WTO base rules of 3% on everything going both ways.
No free movement of people, or annual contribution, or accords.
We will collect more than we pay, of course Germany and France will pay a lot more, hey ho.
Works for me, and the Chinese, Indians, most of the rest of the world it would seem.
The 300,000 Brits in Spain are the only thing propping up the economy in places like Andalusia.
Article 50, will they, wont they, when will they, how will they!!!!!!!!
Err, how to keep an idiot in suspense, or what.
Crunch time for Gibraltar, stay with UK or remain European and join Spain, very simple.
Jul 05th, 2016 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom for Asturia (and Andalusia).
Jul 05th, 2016 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#23: It's not even a question in Gibraltar. We're British and if out is out, then so be it. We think it's against the best interests of the UK as a whole, but the campaign was, frankly, pathetic.
Jul 06th, 2016 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0#19: May isn't giving 'guarantees' because you don't show your hand in the first round of a negotiation. She will want to ensure that Brits living in the EU also have their rights protected - there are over 2 million of them, btw. It will be a trade-off.
But no-one will be deported because of Brexit. What the UK should have done long ago is adopt the same rules as other EU nations. For example, a recent case in Belgium, where a Spanish woman moved there, took a job, worked for one month then went perma-sick and tried to claim benefits. After her 3 months were up, she was deported - as permitted under EU rules - as a 'burden on society'. The UK was always able to do that, but never did. No idea why.
But deportations? Would result in the Brits being sent back home too, and as there are a lot of pensioner Brits in Spain, the UK doesn't really want that as these people would use the NHS, whereas current UK migrants really don't.
But the pensioners may return anyway due to two factors: first, the value of sterling will continue to fall; and second, when they realise that, being out of the EU means that their Spanish Health Care will not be covered by the UK Govt and they have to pay it themselves or take out insurance......
@25 sceptic64
Jul 06th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I understand it, most of Europe has “social insurance” benefit schemes, requiring you to pay in first, for whatever period, before you can claim.
In the UK we have a “universal benefits scheme” which if you start saying he/she can’t then claim, its discrimination.
Just what I read around the time Cameron was negotiating the “new deal”.
Brexit,
Jul 07th, 2016 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BREXIT,
we won, get over it and move on people,
Great Britain will rise again.
only this time, the British will decide things and not an unelectable and irremovable robots in the EU.
Have faith in our country.
#26: “As I understand it, most of Europe has “social insurance” benefit schemes, requiring you to pay in first, for whatever period, before you can claim. In the UK we have a “universal benefits scheme” which if you start saying he/she can’t then claim, its discrimination.”
Jul 08th, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the crux of it - which is why it was always easier for migrants to claim in the UK.
But that doesn't affect the 'burden' issue that I mentioned: as the EU Directive states:
“For stays of over three months: the right of residence is subject to certain conditions. EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay”.
If they don't meet this then the member state has the absolute right to expel them. It always did - but the UK and its Govt never really acted on it, nor made it clear in the Referendum campaign (probably as they were useless at it).
@28 sceptic64
Jul 08th, 2016 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The first I’ve ever heard of it, doesn’t surprise me though, we were never very good at getting the best out of Europe.
Probably very wise NOT to mention it by the time it came to the referendum, or even admit they knew about it.
Whilst I appreciate it’s not so good for you guys, having seen the statements of our erstwhile European friends since the result, dammed glad we’re out.
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