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Falklands must be involved in a tripartite dialogue, if Argentina's new policy is to be positive
Argentina's collaboration strategy towards the UK and the Falkland Islands, if it means integrating the Islanders in any discussions relative to their lives and future, which is only of their concern, “this is positive”, according to Gibraltar Chief Minister Fabian Picardo, interviewed by Argentina's official news agency Telam. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell said Mr Picardo. A very simple reason why it is unlikely there ever will be an improvement in relations between the Islands and Argentina- they have for decades insisted that we do not exist as a people and there is no such thing as F.I. Govt!
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since when have they resurrected their fantasy of direct airlinks? Do understand dear Argentine Govt- for that to even get onto the table for us to look at and consider you would have to:
Make the initial approach to the Director of Civil Aviation-Falkland Islands Govt.
For Health issues:
The Director of Health Services, Falkland Islands Govt
For Education Services:
The Director of Education, Falkland Islands Govt.
There you are Macri and Malcorra- theiur email addresses are easy to find - just do one of two things now please:
Either get in DIRECT communication with the correct authorities who have legitimate responsibility here
OR
Shut up and go way.
During CFK years I read lots of complaints comming from the islanders that argentine government ignored and did not recognized the islander authorities. The most common compaint was: “We do exist”
Jul 20th, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new Argentine Foreign Minister wanted to shake hands with some Islands representatives but Gaving Short refused to greet her. This is not only quite rude a rude attitude from him but also reflects that argentine moderate authorities are a problem to some islanders that need an enemy. You need an enemy (real or fake one, it doesn't matter) if you are going to play the role of the victim after all.....
Let Mr. Piccardo know that the “three” sides must be willing to speak for a dialogue. It might be the time to send people such as Gaving Short home. He seems not to be at the level required for a “dialogue”
In addition, using PMA words argentine people and argentine goverment don't trust islanders at all and don't trust british government at all. This also must be understood.
Mr German,
Jul 20th, 2016 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has the Falkland Islands done in the past 200 years that is untrustworthy?
For that matter, what has the British government done in the Soutb Atlantic, within living memory or beyond, that could be deemed untrustworthy or threatening?
For only the past 34 years, the British have maintained a small military force on the islands, for defence purposes.
Even though Argentina is de facto without a military beyond a few parade generals, the Falkland Islanders have resisted the urge to invade or threaten the Argentine population or their sovereignty.
Why is it that Argentine officials must be distrustful of the British and the Islanders?
You seem to be infected with the same rhetoric-inducing phobias as that prescient all-knowing Canadian vestige of socialism.
Picardo is a blithering idiot.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His philosophy is:
Even though we will shortly eviscerate each other with long knives let's sit together in the interim and drink tea and eat biscuits.
Death to accommodators.
WTF? How does Mr. Picardo propose NOT to enforce borders and barriers? You are leaving the EUROPEAN UNION!! Further you chose to leave and now you don't want to take the responsibilities?
Jul 20th, 2016 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Schengen means full border control, passports, and long-term visa applications. That's international law and any violators put themselves at GRAVE risk of being tools to terrorist organizations or followers. I doubt Gibraltar will want that tag on top of the one of lawless smuggling mecca, so passports and visas are certainly coming, because the EU will MAKE them (not Spain, the EU).
Live with your decisions, it seems as always the British expect everyone but themselves to take responsibility for their acts.
You voted, you voted to leave. Period end of story.
@3 Kanye
Jul 20th, 2016 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would suspect of a neighbor who refuses any cooperation with you with the exception of the cooperation that would be convenient only for him.
You would suspect of a neighbor that when being poor took advantage of all the benefits and assistance you gave him for free but now, rich for the help of a much richer European country, he rejects to have even the slightest contact with you.
You would suspect of a neighbor who complains about you and publicly criticizes you all the time but refuses to talk to you to clarify the disputes.
You would suspect of a neighbor who makes decisions unilaterally about the neighborhood and common areas covered by the assistance of a much more powerful European country.
You would suspect of a neighbor who, when it suits, says he owns the house but usually forces you to dialogue and negotiate with a powerful European country.
You would suspect from a neighbor that takes all the possible advantage that can from you using your land, air and water but refuses you to accept you to be close to him
You would suspect of a neighbor who spy and controls all the time to know that you do ... all this with the added problem that you think this neighbor occupies part of your property.
In addition, we are all of us, you and me, influenced by the rethoric we listened in our societies and countries since we were born. You believe that the islands belong to the UK and I believe that they belong to Argentina. Both are under our countries influences.
The UK,Britain,even England, only governs,or perhaps occupies one piece of land which may,just may,historically belong to another former sovereign state.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The state in question was Ireland,and the aggressor was Cromwell.
Currently,Eire is part of not only the EU but also the E it rozone,so cannot possibly be a sovereign state.
Similarly Spain,which has no legal claim to Gibraltar,and if it had it would now own it.
The Falklands never belonged to Argentina,which is not a sovereign state because it was a recent unprovoked aggressor and is still technically bankrupt,further,it would have to restore all the land once occupied by the British that was illegally taken by Peron.
All this noise is just the crackling of twigs under a pot,and all it serves to do is make its generators and the people they claim to represent appear to be more pathetically and wilfully incompetent and insignificant than they actually are.
Which is a considerable achievement.
M
@5
Jul 20th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar and the UK have never been in the Schengen zone, which is why there is a border right now between Gibraltar and Spain. You already need a passport to cross the border.
And restrictions can be applied by both sides. Picardo is merely saying Gibraltar will not be applying any, obviously that does not stop Spain doing so. If Spanish workers require a visa to work in Gibraltar in the future I'm sure they will not have any difficulty in getting them. The biggest risk is that Spain closes the border again, cutting off the workers from their jobs.
@2. PeeGerman. I think you're missing a few points. I would also refuse to shake hands with a “representative” of a “government” that says we don't exist. As I recall, Malcorra's predecessor actually ran out the room rather than meet a couple of Islanders. Neither the Islanders nor the UK NEED an enemy, but we've got one. If memory serves both Macri and Malcorra have insisted that the Islands belong to argieland. But there has NEVER been one credible, lawful argument that supports that view. Not one.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the argie people and government don't trust the Islanders or the British government, why don't you just piss off?
Because of you sneaky, lying lot we keep upwards of 1,200 armed fprces personnel on the Islands. That's down to nobody but you lot. Little bit different to the 80 you thought you'd have to overcome in '82? Can I just remind you that you omitted to make any declaration as to your intentions? AND you just ignored a UN Security Council resolution that told you to lay down your weapons and get off the Islands.
@8. PeeweeweeGerman. Do you understand that your brain, if you ever had one, has rotted and died?
As I recall, this “constitutional” demand for the Falkland Islands only began in 1994. “Overlooked” it until then, did you? But then you never pay much attention to your “consitution”, do you?
I'm not going to respond to all your petty little quibbles. But let me say this. Back in 1982, once the argie forces had SURRENDERED, I wish we'd bombed Buenos Aires. If you pull another stunt like that I will be straight on to the Prime Minister to request that argieland be bombed and missiled. Maybe we'll make sure that argieland isn't a member of the UN, which it shouldn't be anyway, by the simple process of making sure that there aren't enough argies left to form a delegation!
At 5,
Jul 20th, 2016 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The majority of Gibraltarians voted to stay in the EU, Picardo had meetings with our First Minister Nicola Sturgeon regarding potential options/possibilities of remaning in the EU even if the UK leaves. (which could be some time away as they dont now want to invoke article 50)
Pgermna,
Jul 20th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have omitted that Malcorra spouted the exact same diretribe as Kirschener at the UN- that we Islanders have no rights etc etc. Not surprising really that her offer of a handshake was refused! And shows she is a bit thick if she expected one after what she had said!
I particularly liked the comment concerning Gollum which was so well deserved.
Jul 20th, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pgerman
Jul 20th, 2016 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are exactly the type of Argentinian that gets Argentinians a bad name. Your fellow countrymen must cringe everytime you post something. You are either clinically insane or must be doing some kind of mind altering substance in order to arrive at your up is down and back to front drivel.
I have seen your fan boy posts concerning Rocas. I have seen your posts claiming that Argentinian war crimes are in some way Britain's responsibility but your post at 2 is special even by your standards.
If you genuinely believe your own words you really should seek medical assistance and soon.
@1 lslander1,
Jul 20th, 2016 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love it.
Especially the last sentence!
@6 pgerman,
Quite a few lies there, german p.
Couldn't be bothered to individually refute them.
The bottom line is that your country has no rights here at all.
You can “suspect” all you like, in fact, please do, but just go away.
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Mr. German,
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It appears perhaps, that the Canadian Socialist might have answered better.
Would he also make up facts to support his assertions?
We will never consider some grandsons of colonialists like another people, different from the british
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you consider Canadians and Australians to be British too? Australia's last two Prime Ministers were even born in Britain.
fcol - unless you speak indigenous south american and you dont ahve an European name, then all you Argentines are a bunch of colonists... how many times does this have to be pointed out to you???
Jul 20th, 2016 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its pretty simple: you're squatters, colonisers and fundamental hypocrites - south america does NOT belong to you: you invaded, murdered, conquered and squatted... and still are squatting.
When you stop doing so, and hand it ALL back to the few remaining indigenes, THEN you can start pretending to have some moral high ground.
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Jul 21st, 2016 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0A devious character with wide(ish) knowledge clearly lacking in morals due to their malvinista bias...
' The biggest risk is that Spain closes the border again, cutting off the workers from their jobs'
No, for SOME Gibraltarians the biggest risk is that Spain closes the border again, cutting off some Gibraltarians from their jobs and Spain also cuts off the landline communications network that helps both nations.
“CM Picardo insisted it was essential to have the Falklands in a three-side dialogue.”
Jul 21st, 2016 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0CM Picardo is not only talking sense, he is stating the bleeding obvious. It is only reality-challenged Argentines who continue to want to ignore the elephant in the room and exclude the most important (and influential) stakeholder in any dialogue.
It is up to the Islanders to decide if they want direct communication links and other cooperation with Argentina – not the UK.
When are these deluded people going to wake up and sniff reality?
LONG-serving former Cabinet minister Sir Malcolm Rifkind launched his memoirs, Power and Pragmatism, at Westminster Tower last night — and revealed how he held controversial secret talks with Argentina about the UK giving up the Falkland Islands.As Foreign Secretary under John Major in the Nineties, Rifkind explained that he was approached by Argentina’s foreign minister Guido Di Tella for two meetings to discuss the territory. “One was most romantic,” he said. “It was on the Argentinian/Brazilian border, at Iguazu Falls. He actually said, ‘Will you come across the border into Argentina to have lunch with me?’”
Jul 21st, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As this went swimmingly a second summit was held at Chevening — the Foreign Secretary’s UK country residence in Kent — in 1997. Rifkind suggested to Major that he brief the then-retired Margaret Thatcher. The baroness was “entirely relaxed” with the meeting, as long as Falkland Islands councillors would be present. The Argentinians had a new idea. “What they wanted to propose was that the Falklands ... should cease to be a British colony but not become part of Argentina,” said Rifkind. “They would become, in effect, independent.” The South Americans accepted that if this happened the UK would still be responsible for the archipelago in the event of any hostilities. However, talks collapsed because the “small print” demanded an Argentinian vice-governor — which would have meant sharing sovereignty. “We said ‘Sorry, that’s not going to happen’.”
On leaving, one Falklander gave Di Tella a photograph of her home, saying it was the “only part of the Falklands he is going to get”. A picture tells a thousand words.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-rifkind-s-secret-romantic-talks-with-argentina-a3301126.html
Looks like Malacara's cockups over the Falklands (and other argie silliness) did have the expected negative impact on her chances for the top spot at the UN.
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The first round of voting apparently left her out of the running. The former primer minister from Portugal now seems to be favoured.
In an effort to provide Malacara with a post within her capacities, she has been offered a spot as assistant deputy weekend dog-catcher in Venado Tuerto.
@22 Marti
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I may be wrong but didn't I read that the Argentine government had already chosen her replacement for when she 'automatically' became Sec Gen?
@22 Marti Llazo
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly the result of some Sipayo plot, aren’t Portugal Britain’s oldest military ally?
Planning a joint attack on Spain no doubt.
@2 pgerman
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mate, describing the statement “We do exist” as “a complaint”, actually says it all about how you think.
@5 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
You do realise you are going to have to think up a new name, as we will no longer be EUians.
Perhaps something like, Sapientes Non-continental Europeanians??
Maybe just Sahib, like the good little Sipayo you are
@ 16 LukeDig
So speaks the Indian murdering Creole Conquistador planter Bastard.
@16 Lukedig
Jul 22nd, 2016 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try learning Mathematics. A grandson is a third generation. Many Falkland families go way back further than three generations, some 8 generations. That's older than many Argentine families who came not mostly from South America, but from Europe.
There are more European colonialists in Argentina than in the Falklands.
So try getting on your bike back to Spain, and leave South America to the people you colonised, you know the people that came from South America unlike you Europeans?
Big clue. Your language is Spanish-that is no less European than English.
You don't like British people colonising the Falklands? Go back to Spain where you belong,
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two years running with the same chant and soon to be 3 years HEP C. When will that chant at least roll over? will it be twenty-five years in 2020 as well?
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Hepathetic, doesn't even understand that England doesn't have any malvinas to give away. No, nary a one. How about a malacara? That's something that could easily be tossed back within 25 years, especially now that the UN doesn't want her and she probably won't get the post as Venado Tuerto's new weekend deputy assistant dog-catcher.
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina really do want the Falklands then I can tell them how to do it.
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly,sort themselves out,this may take time.
Secondly,start up to the Falkland Islands government,offering full co-operation on everything,with absolutely no visible or invisible strings attached.
Thirdly,be patient,this will take two or three generations,in other words about seventy five years.
Currently all that is happening is the the Argentinian political stance is just making sure it will never happen.
You don't threaten the UK or its overseas territories with any expectation of winning,check the history books if you disagree.
M
@30 “If Argentina really do want the Falklands then I can tell them how to do it”
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0------------
I remember the story of one argento who went to live in the Falklands and when his mother (from Argentina) went to visit him, and observed how peaceful, civil, and safe it was in the Islands, said to him, “Now I know why you're never going back to Argentina. ”
I you to the second line of my last post!
Jul 23rd, 2016 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0M
I'm not to concerned about all of this. My biggest concern is being ripped of by Sure for Internet charges. In fact this email has already cost me £36 pound! I reckon we could run a cable from here to BA for broadband!!
Jul 24th, 2016 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My second concern is, where is the picture from the gents toilet in the Vic gone? Such a tourist trap.
Finally, thank god for the FIDF!!
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