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Hillary makes history and becomes first woman candidate for president of the US
Hillary Clinton triumphantly captured the Democratic nomination for president of the United States on Tuesday night, the first woman ever to lead a major political party into the general election. Read full article
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Jul 27th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Hill is quaking in her shoes about the Wikileaks emails and wondering whether The Trump's lead will see the end of her 'dreams' and our nightmares.
It's so funny!
The biggest nightmare facing Americans today is Trump as President.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clinton's convention revealed the true nature of that party, with the most overt exposure of its corruption since the summer of 1968.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then, there are only bad choices in this election: a populist lunatic or a corrupt felon.
@3 Except Hillary hasn't been convicted of anything, so it is just mud-slinging. That some of her actions have been questionable is true. You could level that accusation at any past President. On the other hand your choice of words for Trump is apt. He is a lunatic with a messiah complex. I know which is more dangerous in power.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Bill Clinton said, and what really happened in Hillary's history:
Jul 27th, 2016 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BILL CLINTON'S LOVING WIFE --- by DICK MORRIS
If you happen to see the Bill Clinton five minute TV ad for Hillary in which he introduces the commercial by saying he wants to share some things we may not know about Hillary's background, beware as I was there for most of their presidency and know them better than just about anyone. I offer a few corrections:
Bill says: “In law school Hillary worked on legal services for the poor.”
Facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in 'Law School' was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a 'Federal Agent.' She went to Court every day as part of a Law student monitoring committee trying to spot civil rights violations and develop grounds for appeal.
Bill says: “Hillary spent a year after graduation working on a Children's rights project for poor kids.”
Facts are: Hillary interned with Bob Truehaft, the head of the California Communist Party. She met Bob when he represented the Panthers and traveled all the way to San Francisco to take an internship with him.
Bill says: “Hillary could have written her own job ticket, but she turned down all the lucrative job offers.”
Facts are: She flunked the D.C. bar exam, 'Yes', flunked it, it is a matter of record, and only passed the Arkansas bar. She had no job offers in Arkansas, 'None', and only got hired by the University of Arkansas Law School at Fayetteville because Bill was already teaching there. She did not join the prestigious Rose Law Firm until Bill became Arkansas Attorney General and was made a partner only after he was elected Arkansas Governor.
etc etc
http://www.snopes.com/dick-morris-hillary-clinton/
@5 But what do you think of Trump? He is a pathological liar about his past.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine.....I was watching the news during an interview of him and was asked about his support for a single payer healthcare system. He emphatically denied ever making that statement. 2 seconds later the news shot up a a clip of an interview with him being interviewed and saying that the USA needs a single payer system. He called the anchor a liar and claimed it was doctored. There are a lot of interviews with Drumpf and his people taking the same exact tack......lying in the face of overwhelming facts.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 He is a classic narcissist. If he says something - anything - he believes it to be true and that everyone else should. He has made a fortune out of talking bullshit and taking other people's money before declaring various companies bankrupt. He has no conscience.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You only have to look at a fact check of his declarations to see just how often and totally he lies. When you add to that his nasty insults you have a prime example of someone you would not want to be the leader of the free world.
I was in D.C. during the RNC and people there were plain embarrassed by him. I struggled to find a single serious politician or businessman who thought he was anything but dangerous. But then again, that is not his demographic. He loves the uneducated and they love him.
Hillary is not very likeable and is not without reason to criticise but she would not be dangerous as a President. I doubt when history examines the facts that she is any more questionable than a lot of senior politicians.
Given the choice it is a no-brainer unless you don't have a brain.
I think the most worrying aspect of the US election is the fact that in a recent poll (CNN?) less than 45% of people entitled to vote say they will actually bother.
Jul 27th, 2016 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If only 45% of people bother to vote can either candidate claim to have a mandate?
@9 The practice of not voting is in itself a sort of vote. Rather like saying “none of the above” or “no confidence” (but certainly often merely the sign of sloth). Here in Letrine America many countries have the equivalent of the voto-nulo ( or “voto en blanco” which is what they call it here in Argenzuela). Or rather the deliberate voto-nulo as opposed to the accidentally nulled vote. I remember a case in Colombia where the voto-nulo actually “won” with more than 50 percent while the leading candidate or maybe only candidate got around 40 percent.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0From what I hear from the US, the poor choices provided by the major parties are likely to result in interestingly larger numbers from the minor ones, such as the Libertarians and the Greens.
Then again, if voting could actually bring about fundamental change, it would be declared illegal in many countries.
It's a great opportunity for the millions of us Americans who believe that the two party system is a dinosaur. Johnson and Weld!
Jul 28th, 2016 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The typical presidential elections have turnouts in the high 60s. Others feel it's pointless, while others, as previously stated use it as a political point to not vote. We call not voting exercising our freedom of speech.
@4 “.... Except Hillary hasn't been convicted of anything,....”
Jul 28th, 2016 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which speaks volumes about the unwillingness of the Obama administration to prosecute several dozen known felony crimes. That's the sort of thing I have come to expect as normal in Argentina, but I didn't realise how normal it seems to have become in the US.
I've never seen an American presidential candidate as uncomfortable in their own skin as Hilary Clinton is in hers. I've yet to hear a speech of hers where she sounded like she truly believed in what she was saying. Whenever she to motivate or inspire, she always sounds on the verge of desperation to me. I wonder if she even knows why she is running for president...
Jul 28th, 2016 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0That the alternative is so scary is utterly depressing.
@12 Please list the known felony crimes? There have been many accusations and investigations at the insistence of the GOP but no crimes to prosecute. Did you follow the latest over the private email server? I did when I was in the U.S. for a month recently. There was no crime committed. So nothing to prosecute.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, there have been accusations against many politicians and former Presidents but have any of them been proven? It is all part of the political game to smear and accuse.
Clintons accusers have been many over the years and yet none seem to stick. Makes most prudent thinkers take pause for a moment and wonder why?
Jul 28th, 2016 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comey is not a left leaning individual despite being appointed by Obama. Comey is a republican serving under and appointed by Bush as US Attorney. If there was anything to hang on Clinton he was going to find it. I would expect the GOP leaning American public to see the game being rigged, but not outsiders looking in.
I loved Bloomberg's speech last night. At least the parts where the real billionaire was slapping the fake billionaire around. He is actually a real “self” made billionaire. I wonder what Drumpf will tweet about him today?
@ 15 Captain Poppy
Jul 28th, 2016 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to see you back!
However, didn't Obuma himself claim that Trump 'could win' at the Dems lovefest the other night? I bet he's on The Hills hitlist now.
Trump or The Hill: what a mistake to maka!
It's better than Benny Hill.
@15 Yes, exactly. The US Attorney had every ability and political persuasion to prosecute Clinton if there was a case to be made; there wasn't. It is a game of mud-slinging because Trump doesn't have anything else to fight with.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I know a con when I see one”. Well said, Bloomberg. At some point even the dumbest will see that Emperor Trump has no clothes. It is pretty incredible that anyone believes his bullshit or is happy that U.S. politics have sunk so low.
Whilst neither candidate is inspiring I don't want a dangerous sociopath like Trump with his finger on the button. He is thin-skinned and revengeful, as evidenced in his 'thank you' speech at the end of the RNC.
Perhaps but not that I know and he only spoke last night. One things the Democrats are espousing is not to be complacent. I think a lot of people outside of the USA think that those who do not like, tolerate Trump must be supporting Clinton and that is the farthest from reality. Like Koch said, it's a choice between a heart attack and ebola......Drumpf being the latter.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Myself, I am voting the Johnson ticket. A non win?....probably, a wasted vote?..never. The wasted vote is the one never cast.
If you watched yesterday is was a chuckle hearing Bloomberg paint “The Donald”. Even the anchors referred to him as the “real New York billionaire or the ”big” billionaire and the billionaire with a capital B.....lol. Most realize now why Drumpf will release his tax returns. It would be like pulling the curtain back on the Wizard of Oz.
The man backed off most everything he said not years ago, just months ago. His ego is his achilles heel.
Not many Americans would openly ask Putin for help, even jokingly. Stupid is a word I would use for Drumpf when he learns a little more. Thank God I am not in the military anymore!!
@18 How could anyone trust Trump when he won't release his tax returns! And he calls Hillary crooked.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, his ego is his weakness as is often the case with sociopaths. They cannot stand to be questioned or contradicted and become revengeful. The truth is he is a thoroughly nasty man with a following of terminally stupid people. He could well win by being the nasty guy. What a terrible shame for the U.S. to have allowed it to sink so low.
And the nastiness won't go away after the election whoever wins. Once people cross the line of decency they rarely go back, especially if there are no consequences. I think it is why new and harsher Hate Crime legislation has been pushed through after Brexit. The nasty campaigning against foreigners has resulted in a sharp rise in attacks against them. Consequences against the haters is the only way to curb it.
Anyone who has been exposed to Trump over the years know who the man, who coined the phrase...“THE DONALD, knows exactly what kind of a man that he really is. He is not only self centered but self serving.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still do not think that he will win.
”What a terrible shame for the U.S. to have allowed it to sink so low.”
Thank the GOP for creating FrankenGOP. When you have 320 million people, you're bound to have a lot a nasties in that large of a demographic. But to lump them all together is to no different than claiming all Muslims are extremists.
Now that the conventions are almost all over, the polls are going to be more indicative than they were prior to the conventions....of course depending on the actual poll. But being an American and living here most on my 57 years with gaps here and there, I feel that the real driving force in attracting Drumpf is the impression that we are being overrun by immigrants in the minds of the mildly to highly ignorant(not using that as an insult) coupled with the actual experience of jobs and businesses leaving the country to avoid taxes. Nothing more and those two are not enough to carry an election in November.
He has insulted:
Mexicans
Muslims
Women
Disabled people
reporters
The entire state of Iowa
Sects of Christians
Blacks
Asians
Military and former POWs
Essentially anyone who does not think like him. I ask anyone how has ever been a leader in any capacity and have had to lead other leaders.....did you ever think you had all the answers and know everything? He does and that is not leadership, that is dictatorship.
With Trump in mind I think America is about 47.5% towards Idiocracy! http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/27/idiocracy-at-10-mike-judge-s-cult-film-saw-america-run-by-imbeciles-well.html
Jul 28th, 2016 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The standing joke in my circles is.....“who ever thought that when they made Idiocracy, that is would turn out to be a documentary”
Jul 28th, 2016 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The dumbing on America I will blame on liberals.
@ 17 “..US Attorney had every ability and political persuasion to prosecute Clinton if there was a case to be made; there wasn't....”
Jul 28th, 2016 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were several hundred felony violations. But some prominent people in US politics are evidently exempt from prosecution, while others are hammered relentlessly on mere suspicion. The matter of prosecution, or lack of it, has nothing to do with the opposing political parties and everything to do with the Obama government's protection of its own. We should not be surprised if Obama were to declare a pardon for Clinton along the lines of Nixon's pardon by then-president Ford.
@ 20 & 22 I think you have to blame the media for the dumbing down. Why do people believe they are overrun by immigrants? Because the media tells them to believe it. They tell people what they want to hear to make money they have no social conscience.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no doubt that after a recession as debilitating at 2008 there is going to be a slump in 'tightening belts' attitude and as people's lives stagnate they look for someone to blame. Any 'other' like foreigners is an easy scapegoat. Trump has used this human weakness and played the 'mildly to highly ignorant'. And he attacks anyone daring to question him to the point where - like with a playground bully - the weak stand just behind the bully for safety rather than really agreeing with him.
You are right about Trump, he is only interested in power and prestige for himself. In his messianic way he is telling people that only he can fix the country. What a crock. As Obama put it so aptly last night, 'the American people don't want to be ruled'.
I thought his speech was good but so far Michelle has been the stand out speech of the convention. I shall be staying up late to see what Hillary has to say tonight.
I think they play a role but far from the entire fault. If people cannot disseminate the news than they are stupid. If they are too dumb to disseminate the news for what it is, then they are products of their education. It's no different than watching a movie and KNOWING it's only a movie! The US education system's failures I blame on liberal experiments for the schools superintendents around the USA waving their D.Ed's around with their ideas on how to educate better. And let's not forget parents are eat fault as well. Some who should be arrested for breeding in the first place. The places I've been to around this globe, procreating should be a privilege. It's an outright shame to see children living as they do. To blame the media is the easy path.....the surface roots.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Haha. Maybe the problem started with “We the people” I think some people are too stupid to make an informed decision when voting. And, yes, some people do believe what they read in the papers as if they saw it in print so it must be true. Media is clever to play to prejudice to get sales.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You definitely have a point about the education system. There have been similar experimental problems in the U.K. One particular year of pupils were the victims of several major changes in policy that benefited no one, least of all them.
On the other hand we still have an enviable level of education compared to many parts of the world. The problem has always been getting it to the majority. Reducing everyone to the understanding of the least able in the class is a well-recognised mistake.
Democracy; It has its faults but look at the alternative.
You last sentence sums my sentiments exactly. I will always prefer to make my political changes with a pen over a gun any day. The biggest change that I have the most trouble with these days is the outright hatred and one person to another for thinking differently. In the USA, the conservatives outright hate and would happily kill liberals if they could. There was a time when people could express a difference of political opinions and actually be in the same room.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So with the better (for me) pound value I am planning my first trip to the UK next year. I to take in mainly the highlights of a week in England, then another Scotland then a week in Ireland. I'm looking forward to it.
“Then again, if voting could actually bring about fundamental change, it would be declared illegal in many countries.”
Jul 28th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't think they'll be holding any more referendums in the UK for a while then? ;-)
And I can't blame Americans for not voting when these are the choices, but in the end it just makes things worse.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to dismiss the Trump supporters as simply foolish or uneducated. They are people who have real problems that are being ignored by most 'mainstream' politicians. From their point of view at least Trump is listening to them and proposing solutions, even if they are stupid and unworkable ones (and he would probably not implement most of them anyway).
@27 It is still possible. I am often in a room debating/discussing with people of opposing views and it never gets personal. In the main it doesn't get personal with politicians but only amongst the followers.
Jul 28th, 2016 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Yes, I make reference to that in my posts. There is a whole impatient and disenfranchised proportion of voters who don't think anyone is representing their interests. What is a real shame is the way they are exploited by the media and the likes of Trump. Look at the facts, he doesn't represent their interests, only his own and he is using them.
You could also argue that Corbyn and Sanders speak to a portion of society but that doesn't make them electable. Again the problem is that democracy by its' very nature caters for the majority of people that bother to vote, not the majority of the population of a country.
What is sad is that people have given up the ability to compromise. Compromise involves an element of sacrificing part of what you want but people seem to prefer the all or nothing route. Take away compromise and you are left with conflict.
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Jul 28th, 2016 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you think more sane and reasonable politicians don't try and appeal to these voters more? It seems to be the fact that they are being ignored that leads to them supporting Trump etc.
I agree about Corbyn and Sanders but the problem is a bit chicken and egg as people don't bother voting if there is no one who really represents them but as long as they don't vote there is no need for anyone to do so.
Besides I think for a long time society seemed to be working, yes there were recessions but mostly things got better. So people voted for centrist parties and politicians and for more of the same. But since 2008 that hasn't been the case. It's been 8 years, the people in power have had a good chance to sort things out, and haven't. So of course people start looking for alternatives of various kinds.
Unfortunately it's kind of unlikely that most of them will actually be better.
Do you think people everywhere have given up the ability to compromise? I can see it in America with the government shutdown etc, but I'm not sure it's a universal thing.
Apparently they have yet to face of each other on TV ,
Jul 30th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this would be interesting TV , im sure the evening [ when it comes ]
will go of a bang.
Still whoever gets in, neither will be angels and neither will be Brilliant,
but one of them will have an awful lot of work to do.
and will need all the luck he or she can get.
just my opinion.
The rust belt could vote Drumf in. Its just like much of the North of England, the lowlands of Scotland and the Welsh valleys. Old industries long since gone and communities hankering after a past that no longer exists, dissatisfaction and an inability to realise you have to move on. Along comes a liar peddling false hopes and Bingo they vote for him. They will be sorely disappointed!
Jul 30th, 2016 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 I agree 100%.
Jul 30th, 2016 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? The title of this article reads “Hillary makes history and becomes first woman candidate...” and your first 2 pictures are of men, and not the actual candidate herself?
Aug 01st, 2016 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Dilma, Hillary, and CFK can get special rates in a new prison wing for the criminally corrupt and the demonstrably incompetent, perhaps soon to be followed by Chile's Chanchelet, whose approval ratings of about 20 percent are even lower than any of the others.
Aug 01st, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said months ago that the way The Hill was mismanaging herself The Donald would get in.
Aug 01st, 2016 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was tongue in cheek to a point but even Obuma thinks it might happen.
Best laugh I have had this week (it's only Monday).
The last state based poll that I have seen gives Trump 164 votes to Clinton's 202 in the Electoral College. This was before the latest Trump attacks on a Gold Star family. It is difficult to overestimate the disgust that these attacks have generated in the US. Trump is going down!
Aug 03rd, 2016 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 37 Heppy
Aug 03rd, 2016 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trump will be POTUS for the next 25 years.
This is great: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-allies-plot-candidate-intervention-after-disastrous-48-hours-n622216
Aug 04th, 2016 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that the interventionists are movement conservatives. And I'm old enough to remember when they trashed the GOP - Goldwater, Nixon's Southern strategy, Regan and the teabaggers. Win or lose the Republican Party is finished - and that's down ticket as well. But we have three more months of this. So, pass the popcorn please.
The world would not last 25 years if that narcissistic ego with a mop on his head is president. Nor would he complete his term. When you start attacking vets who served and vets who bleed and vets who died, especially from one who had four education deferments and finally a medical for flat feet? More like a flat fucking head.
Aug 04th, 2016 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hepshit, does this look familiar from 2014?:
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Within the next 25 years the UK will be returning the Malvinas to Argentina.
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Shouldn't it be 23 years now?
It will be sadly funny is Stein and Johnson garner enough votes that Clinton nor Drumpf get 270. So vote for Johnson!
And the train wreck continues: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-iran-video_us_57a3a58fe4b056bad214f633
Aug 05th, 2016 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile it turns out that Trump really does have small hands: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-iran-video_us_57a3a58fe4b056bad214f633
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