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“Double-lock” commitment for Gibraltar ensures UK minister for Europe

Thursday, August 4th 2016 - 23:08 UTC
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Gibraltar Chief Minister Fabian Picardo has met with the new Minister for Europe, Sir Alan Duncan, in London, where he set out the concerns that Brexit has created in the Rock. Mr. Picardo also outlined the opportunities that could now be exploited as a result of a new relationship with the EU. Read full article

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  • ChrisR

    Gibraltar could always form the government for Spain.

    Spain, the laughing stock of MercoPress.

    Aug 05th, 2016 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    ChrisR, you seem to have forgotten to reply to me in the thread where I caught you out as a liar trying to smear me in the worst way. An apology would fix it.

    Aug 05th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NativeAngeleno

    Snot-nosed bozos from dumber-than-rocks Brexitville ought not throw stones. If you actually cared about the Brits on Gibralter, Chris, you'd be hoping they'd get to “remain” via Spain's plan of dual control even though your fellow-global laughingstocks, like you, can't grasp how important it would be to them. But since when have Brits cared one whit about anyone living outside what will be the former UK when Scotland and No. Ireland have escaped the not-so-Great retarded Britain of England & Wales??

    Aug 05th, 2016 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 3 NativeAngeleno

    Really? WTF are you on about?

    Gibraltar SHOULD govern Spain, you twats can't even form a government and shouldn't be out on your own.

    Aug 05th, 2016 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Britain is doing ok thanks,

    as for Gibraltar, they cant have it both ways,
    either you go independent and stay, or come with us and go,

    Aug 05th, 2016 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    3# “Snot-nosed bozos from dumber-than-rocks Brexitville ought not throw stones…..blah blah blah”

    These comments come from a poster who chooses to use the diminutive “NativeAngeleno.” to describe him/herself. Another one of the obtuse names used by card carrying members of the victimhood. These weird names are intended to convey gravitas but are, in fact, merely moronic and betray the origins and prejudices of the poster.

    You lot spewed a lot of crap about the demise of the UK a few weeks ago after the British people declared independence in the referendum. It was obvious then that you were all full of it and that you were merely revealing your own personal prejudices and general lack of intelligence.

    You should get a haircut, try and get a real job and stop stealing valuable oxygen.

    Aug 06th, 2016 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @3. The Brits on Gibraltar managed for 260 years without the spanish. That's the same spanish that breached the treaty they're so keen on rabbiting about no less than 14 times. And the Brits cared enough, despite spanish threats and actions, to send in a relief supply fleet.

    Aug 06th, 2016 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NativeAngeleno

    Chris: It's the UK that's literally falling apart thanks to its stupid electorate. For its misadventure in citizen governance aka Brexit, it shot itself in both feet and the head, as they are learning despite that fact you're clearly uneducable.

    Briton: The UK Is most definitely NOT doing “OK thanks”, its stock market is falling off a cliff of its own making. “thanks”, whether you have the brains or not to so discern. Gibralter certainly won't follow your puerile advice; its inhabitants will either suffer due to its “leadership” back in Jolly Olde or wise up, accept the lifeboat the Spanish have launched and remain in the EU under dual governance, saving them from the likes of you and your fellow clueless bloviators opining on matters well above your mental pay grade.

    downunder: You unwittingly (what else?) describe yourself and your own moniker, Moron! You clearly are one of the few left who haven't regretted the idiotic mistake of your fool Brexiters, to the great economic detriment of the people you stupidly applaud for expressing their stupidity. You ought to wash out that walnut you call a mind with soap and try learning something for a change, to wit, the UK you think you know is actually swirling around the loo, as you will learn later than even the next dumbest Brit.

    Conqueror: The Brits on Gibralter have now met their match, never having previously encountered such imbeciles who voted to take Gibralter down with them by canceling their EU membership. In order to keep a semblance of the economy they currently enjoy, no thanks to your unintelligent ilk, they'll inform London they insist on grabbing the lifeline Spain has cast them, and so Remain in a state of sanity, rejecting the “advice” of the likes of you.

    Aug 08th, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    We will see,
    Gibraltar will come out with us,
    and the UK providing may don't sell us out will do just fine,

    you seem confident,
    time will tell ..

    Aug 08th, 2016 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    #8
    Thanks for your advice, but when I need to learn things I will use authentic sources and not the ravings of the village idiot.

    Like the rest of your ilk you state your fantasies as facts. You are not entitled to your own facts! By stating the demise of a project that hasn’t begun yet on the short term fluctuations in the stock and exchange markets and the opinions of the doomsday brigade, you are clearly talking crap. Nobody can foresee what the outcome of the UKs exit from the EU will be at this stage, it will take years for results to be properly assessed.

    But you can’t wait for that of course, just jump to conclusions and shoot your mouth off.

    What you are offering us is an opinion, a very ill-informed opinion based on your prejudices and what you would like to happen – a fantasy. You lot are good a t fantasy, it’s the only thing you do well.

    But opinions are like arseholes – everybody’s got one!

    Aug 09th, 2016 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NativeAngeleno

    Briton: You're immaturely fantacizing and deeply confused, no surprise there, it takes a political oaf not to realize it. You state “We will see”, a term of indecision you got not from the residents of Gibralter, who have stated their deep concerns over the clown car that has become the English/Welsh electorate. Your belief based on nothing more than your hope Gibralter is as stupid as England, Wales and you was disproven the morning after the vote. NOTE, genius, Gibralter did not immediately dismiss the Spanish offer of the double lock as you foolishly pretend. Only 823 voted Leave out of 30,000. Your opinion is miniscully represented by the actual living voters there, who agree overwhelmingly with me, not you: Their vote signifies they will Remain under the aegis of dual control by Spain and the skeletal remains of the UK, despite Britain's doltish majority vote. I AM confident about their desire. I can count the result without having to take off my shoes. Try it yourself and learn your kneejerk opinion is worthless. Their vote is all that counts, not your babbling.

    downunder, YOU are the idiot, you dismissed Gibralter's desires, “the authentic source” in favor of your unrepresentative and uninformed “conclusion”. YOU are not entitled to your own fabrication masquerading as reality. Your adolescent reaction i am “talking crap”, by your own dumb contradictions reveals that's your shtick, not mine. And your puerile exaggeration i'm talking Doomsday, when i'm the only one between us who reflects the vote of the residents of Gibralter and The Only Solution for them, shows all you are doing is mindlessly waving pompoms for the economic basket case that is rapidly becoming the UK, but not Gibralter, nor Scotland, nor Northern Ireland, as they stage their own two-year Exit fron Stupidity as soon as the PM-in-denial gets off her ass and begins the process of pulling the trigger on Article 50. Penalties for footdragging will necessitate Norway South becoming Syria North.

    Aug 09th, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    I AM confident about their desire,
    interesting words,
    you dismiss others but are confident of your own,

    well its an opinion only,
    and I will stand by my opinion,
    Gibraltar has stated time and time again,
    it does not want to be part of or controlled by Spain

    my opinion stands,
    I think Gibraltar will remain British and Spain will get nothing,
    if im wrong then so be it, but it is just an opinion,,

    yours is also just an opinion,
    unless as an expert, you know something we don't,

    if this is the case then please prove your facts,

    or as I said, its just your opinion.

    insulting other peoples opinion does not make yours any better.
    thanks.

    Aug 09th, 2016 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @11
    “NOTE, genius, Gibralter did not immediately dismiss the Spanish offer of the double lock as you foolishly pretend. ”

    This is what Picardo said the day after the Brexit vote:

    “Let others make irrelevant noises about flying flags over our Rock if they want to waste their breath. Such ideas will never prosper.

    ”Gibraltar will never pay a Sovereignty price for access to a market. Gibraltar will never be Spanish in whole, in part or at all.”

    http://www.thelocal.es/20160624/gibraltar-defiant-against-spain-after-brexit

    Sounds pretty dismissive to me!

    I suppose if things get bad enough then they may be forced to change their minds, but a lot of the 'bad enough' would be due to the actions of Spain, which would hardly encourage them to join it.

    Aug 10th, 2016 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    #11
    Try reading (carefully) before you rant!

    It’s time for another name change, you have totally trashed the credibility of “NativeAngeleno”.

    Aug 10th, 2016 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NativeAngeleno

    Briton: What part of Gibralter's infinitessimal Leave vote do you not grasp?! You dismiss their desires completely. My confidence is based on THEM, not an opinion. Senor Picachu is blowing fantasies out his ass. For Your Information he says he wants to align with a free Scotland as if the remains of the UK would let Scotland just swoop up the naval base etc. Look into the details for a change. The EU wouldn't wait 10 years for the former UK to hand over Gibralter to them and the arrangement wouldn't pass muster with the EU anyway. They would boot Gibralter out of the EU. The doublelock offer by Spain would instantly be approved by the EU, and the former UK would be able to carry on with Gibralter as their foreign base. Senor Picachu, like you, doesn't think reality through.
    As for insults, read your own words.

    DemonTree: The Spanish have been very conciliatory in their offer, ignoring the fatuous tantrums thrown them by the arrogant of suicidal, shrinking BrexitLand. That is where the shat has been flung, not from Spain. If you actually thought about it you would realize the ex-UK under the Spanish proposal would have a VETO on any Spanish intrusion into every aspect of the daily life of the inhabitants. That's why their offer is smart. As it is, the UN has long stated Gibralter is to be returned to Spain. The EU, protecting Gibralter as an albeit small member, would see the Spanish solution as the best way to thwart any such actions. Or do you not think the UN's desires would not enter into the inevitable realliances of Gibralter as a member of the EU? Dream on. See, you don't think, you don't know, you opine with gas.

    downunder: Inasmuch as my words are based on fact while yours are based on lazily-gathered disinformnation, i'll stand by my credibility over yours. Re the childish obsession you have with monikers, does downunder refer to your position with your sleeping partners, e.g., your father & brothers, in the pig stye you all inhabit? How self-revealing.

    Aug 10th, 2016 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    #15
    “Inasmuch as my words are based on fact”

    Not fact fantasy!

    But, what an excitable little Native Muppet you are. Do you wave your hands about when you are typing?

    Aug 10th, 2016 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @15
    Gibraltar voted 98.5% against joint sovereignty with Spain and 95% in favour of staying in the EU. What makes you so sure that they will prefer staying in the EU to staying British?

    The Scottish government is currently trying to negotiate a deal where Scotland stays in the EU while England and Wales leave, while all remaining part of the UK (sort of the reverse of Greenland), and Gibraltar would obviously be keen to join in on this. Now personally I don't think the EU will agree to it, but if not and Scotland does become independent there would have to some kind of agreement about all the British military bases in Scotland anyway.

    As for their offer, the Spanish should have been more conciliatory earlier when they didn't have this advantage. If you make someone hate you of course they don't want to join you, even if it would be to their advantage financially.

    And what makes you think the UK would have a veto on anything? Do you have a copy of Spain's joint sovereignty offer? AFAIK Spain was insisting on Gibraltar being returned to Spain after 50 or 100 years, and also on not holding a referendum on the deal in case it encouraged Catalonia and the Basques.

    I know what the UN (or at least the C24) says about Gibraltar and I think they are hypocrites. “Self determination for some and not for others” is no kind of principle. And no I don't think the UN's desires will make much difference in the exit negotiations, rather the differing interests and power levels of the remaining EU members including Spain will be the deciding factor.

    Aug 10th, 2016 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Some people will not listen,
    so dismiss others some just fantasise,
    it seems that 15,, knows it all,

    still,
    Gibraltar has been British for over 300 years, and im confident Gibraltar will remain brutish for a long time yet,
    so @15 will just have to keep on dreaming.

    Aug 10th, 2016 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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