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Argentine judge opens investigation on death of one of Spain's greatest modern poets
An Argentine federal judge has opened an investigation into the death of Spanish poet and playwright Federico Garcia Lorca, who is believed to have been executed in 1936 by forces loyal to General Francisco Franco. Garcia Lorca’s fate remains a mystery after the site near the Spanish city of Granada where he was believed to have been buried was excavated in 2009 without finding human remains. Read full article
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Aug 19th, 2016 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justice delayed IS justice denied.
Justice for Nisman.
“Justice for Nisman? ”
Aug 19th, 2016 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha. Argentine tribunals are too busy digging up politically correct foreign cases from 80 years ago. Perhaps some Argentine judge will take up an investigation into the death of Abu Abdallah Muhammad XII in 1527.
And besides, Perón supported the faction responsible for the murder of García Lorca.
En España, los muertos están más vivos que en cualquier otro país del mundo.
En la Argentina, el sentido común es más muerto que en cualquier otro país del mundo.
Justice for MP readers when the editors remove the hairy shit balls off MP's hairy ass, aka chronic and marti. Nice facade marti. If you two have nothing else to do in life, masterbate, it's healthier then being old and hateful. In fact take turns circle jerking, You still have a chance, if not a few years left, to turn your meaningless MP live's into something more than........MP troll's.
Aug 19th, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What on earth is the object of this nonsense? The Spanish Civil War ended almost 80 years ago and, of course, there are bound to be many recriminations but it is NOT the duty of an Argentine judge to investigate this matter. Let bygones be bygones! Even Baltasar Garzón gave up!
Aug 19th, 2016 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marti,
Aug 19th, 2016 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I get the feeling this case will not be closed for at least two years and at the end of all that judicial effort, there still won't be many answers to what happened in 1936.
Do you think my assessment is way too pessimistic? Am I being too sarcastic and “old” and “hateful”?
What do you think of that post @3? The intellectual substance of it, (hairy balls, and hairy asses and “masterbatin'”), is just way over my head personally.
Maybe besides the Franco era atrocities, Cubria can also take on the criminal investigation of Tony Blair's war probe, the Mafia extortion cases Naples' public utilities, the case of the Turkish intimidation in Berlin's immigrant quarter, and other cases that courts in European countries are too cowardly to take on.
Aug 19th, 2016 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it rg that continually whines about foreign states trying to usurp its own sovereignty?
Aug 19th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Aug 19th, 2016 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it hasn't stopped you EUians, NorthAmoans, Assasians, et al from commenting on our internal affairs and getting your noses where it not be going, so I say about high time we do the same.
While she is at it, maybe she could open some investigations into all the killer US police officers on the loose over there too.
We could start a new economic industry of “alternative justice”, for people from all nations in the world to file suits in Argentina when their justice systems fail them.
you EUians, NorthAmoans, Assasians, et al from commenting on our internal affairs ,
Aug 19th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you prove, that we commentators are indeed assassins,
and cane you name any that we have to date , assassinated.
so I say about high time we do the same.
But Argentina does, it interferes with everybody else's problems, rather than dealing with the problems Argentina has at home.
is this not true.
Wow and I thought the US enjoyed using its courts for extra-territorial witch hunts..... if you can't beat 'em join 'em?
Aug 19th, 2016 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During the civil war in El Salvador in the '80s of the last century there was a massacre of some Spanish Jesuit priests/missionaries by members of the Salvadorian military. The Spanish judiciary has recently attempted via Interpol - 35 years later - to have those alleged responsible arrested and deported to Spain for trial.
Aug 19th, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The High Court of El Salvador this week has denied the request of Spain.
The High Court
@4 “Even Baltasar Garzón gave up!”
Aug 19th, 2016 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I think Garzón was disbarred and defrocked in Spain. As I recall, the entire Spanish supreme court voted him out of practicing law for over a decade. I think he was convicted on some criminal charges related to illegal wiretapping of attorneys he did not approve of and there were a number of other charges as well. Garzón's explanation was that his political beliefs were too important to be constrained by the mere law. His disbarment and certification as a criminal made him available to be a “consultant” for CFK, at outrageous rates, of course.
Garzón could never bring himself to investigate the thousands of murders committed prior to and during the Spanish Civil War on the part of the Anarchists, the Stalinists, the Trotskyists, the labour unions, and the usual garden run of leftist bandits. It's noteworthy that Pablo Neruda was appointed special consul to arrange for the transportation of many of that homicidal band to Chile after the end of the Spanish Civil War, in essence keeping them from facing justice. Some of those bandits ended up in Allende's Marxist government later.
The politically correct crowd will keep digging up Spain in much the way that the Chilean communists keep digging up Neruda and Allende.
There has never been political will in Spain to deal with the atrocities committed by the Franquismo.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for judge Servini de Cubría for attempting to clarify one of the most odious crimes made during the Spanish Civil War.
@13 Enrique Maassor
Aug 20th, 2016 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The suspected murder of Garcia Lorca allegedly committed by National supportes is no business of Argentina, But if this clown insists then he should also consider the many acts of genocide committed by adherents of the Republican side, especially the mass murders of Catholic priests and nuns during the Spanish civil war.
(Nancy - please don't bother to comment!)
Christ, Maria Servina de Cubria must be bored shitless or the crimes she is currently investigating are too complex for her. Fancy going back 80 years ( Oh wait they are going back 183 years as regards the FALKLANDS ) I rest my case. To Argentina the past is the future.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14
Aug 20th, 2016 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What business was Saddam Hussein to Britain?
@15
The past is never to be forgotten, much less moved on from if it is not resolved. In Argentina things that happened 3000 years ago MATTER, if there is no justice. The British may have a statute of limitations, but we don't. You can be assured that in 2806 we will all be remembering the British Atrocities during your failed invasions of Argentina.
My 14
Aug 20th, 2016 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My bracketed aside was directed at Andy Capp aka ChrisR NOT Nancy!
We didn't like him. Just as Chile didn't like Allende and Brazil doesn't like Dilma and most people don't like Maduro. Anyway he had weapons of mass destruction, like bombs and machine guns.Oh and chemical weapons like bleach.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#14
Aug 20th, 2016 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like us to have a successful invasion of Argentina. ?
Likewise we in the UK should never forget the cowardly invasion of the Falklands by Argentina. However we are an adult pragmatic country and can move on from past actions.
You are stuck in a self righteous hypocritical mindset. Look what your colonial ancestors have done in S.America. Will you apologise for the actions in your colonial past and present? Start with that before you dredge up ancient history.
How far back do you wish to go ?
Various tribes from continental Europe have invaded and settled the British Isles killing or enslaving the original inhabitants. According to you, we should demand an apology and restitution for what the Romans did. Would this be the city of Rome or Italy ? Then the Angles, Saxons and Jutes came in from western mainland Europe, followed by the Danes and the Norse vikings.
Then the Normans. So, all these countries who now hold these territories owe us an apology and should pay restitution for the damage they did ?
Yours is a recipe for hatred and future wars. Were you alive when “the British Atrocities ”took place. How has it affected you personally.
Has your government apologised for it's cowardly action in the Falklands. NO !
But you expect others to do what you are not prepared to do.
Your victim mentality is the only thing you have to give you a misplaced sense of self worth.
From beyond the grave Snr Nisman is asking for justice. Argentina isnt listening.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Aug 20th, 2016 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've seen Argentines saying they wished those invasions had succeeded. What's that all about?
Rg would rather live anywhere than in the present.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News item: Argentine judge will spend US$2.3 million to investigate the alleged murder of Ötzi the Iceman by presumed right-wing assailants, in spite of objections by the authorities having jurisdiction, who have been accused of timidity in the case. Says the judge, “These crimes against prehistoric humanity by fascist pro-Macri forces and the lackeys of foreign utility companies must never be laid to rest.” The judge's project was praised by US president Obama, who proclaimed, “ If I had a son, he would look just like Ötzi.”
Aug 20th, 2016 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confirmed this in the Onion a while ago.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Aug 20th, 2016 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's try this again, what business what it of Britain's internally?
@19
The Romans can always trot out the “We brought you civilization” excuse. Isn't that what all the Brits do? That's all I read in newspaper commentary sections, the British always saying their empire civilized the likes of the Indians, the Africans, the Middle East, etc.
@21
Some mentally distraught Anglo-Argentines or a few others that obviously have not read a proper history book. Aside from North Amoland and Anzac, all the other former British colonies are basket cases magnitudes worse than even the worst ex Spanish ones. Places like Guyana, Bangladesh, Sierra Leone, Pakistan, etc, make Honduras look like a paradise.
Mr. Troll
Aug 20th, 2016 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any Spanish equivalents of Australia, New Zealand. Canada, the United States of America?
Not that you off-topic remarks matter, beyond the ability to divert.
#25/21
Aug 20th, 2016 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's because we gave them independence ! They would be fine if we were still in charge.
See #26
Do you see the similarity ? They are all ANGLO colonies who are mainly descended from the initial A-N-G-L-O colonisers.
It just shows that if the British develop the country and set up laws and government and the settlers stay on then they prosper.
Nobody is saying that India , the Middle East and Nigeria were not civilised
India is an example of a country that took on board British values and prospered. Malaysia and Singapore also. Hong Kong was successful under British rule as the native Chinese could develop business without the burden of either Chinese Imperialism or Communism.
Britain set up the Industrial revolution in Nagasaki, Japan in the mid 19th century.
#25/19
There was civilization in Britain before the Roman's came. Read about current archaeological discoveries in Britain before you trot out your usual poorly researched statements.
Guyana, Bangladesh, Sierra Leone, Pakistan, . You will notice that there is hardly a Brit. in any of these countries whereas in places like Honduras, Guatemala etc. the Spanish stayed on after independence which can be reflected in their low standing. I could extrapolate to South America but that would be unkind.
Sometimes we all get a bit silly , BUT if what the argies say is true,
Aug 20th, 2016 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and they will never forget and will investigate anything from anytime,
may one ask,
1,
will the argentines be investigating as to why the dinosaurs were wiped out in south America
2,
did that asteroid have anything to do with it,
and most importantly
3,
were the British to blame ,or were they involved in any way,
after all, seeing as we always get the blame,
Silly I know, ?????????
“Aside from North Amoland and Anzac, all the other former British colonies are basket cases magnitudes worse than even the worst ex Spanish ones. Places like Guyana, Bangladesh, Sierra Leone, Pakistan, etc, make Honduras look like a paradise.”
Aug 20th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ive always found this sort of argument or comparison fallacious. The Spanish through their rapacious and brutal empire founded about 20 countries. The British through their no less rapacious and brutal empire founded 59 modern countries.
The living standards in the top 5 former Spanish colonies wouldn't even make the top 10 for the British.
Not to mention that more former British colonies have their original inhabitants in the majority and in control of their countries now compared to former Spanish ones.
@25
Aug 20th, 2016 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the bringing civilisation excuse is mostly bollocks. The ex-colony countries have mostly prospered or otherwise due to internal factors, not according to who was the coloniser. Eg India already had long history of civilisation and has managed to stay democratic, while countries with oil or other natural resources are richer than those without.
Also the former Spanish colonies in the Americas have been independent much longer than most of the other countries' colonies, how were they 150 years ago?
@27
“That's because we gave them independence ! They would be fine if we were still in charge.”
I don't think so. Developing those countries properly would have required putting money into them, rather than taking it out, in order to fund education, infrastructure, industry... It just wasn't going to happen.
And if you don't develop them they wouldn't be any better off, at least not for the average person. You'd avoid the dictators but most likely have a lot of revolts demanding independence instead.
@29
“Not to mention that more former British colonies have their original inhabitants in the majority and in control of their countries now compared to former Spanish ones.”
True, but nothing to do with Spain vs Britain. Number of original inhabitants now is related to how many were there to start with and whether they had prior exposure to Old World diseases.
@25 Well, it was the British that made Argentina momentarily successful, through British technology, capital, management, civilisation, and markets.
Aug 20th, 2016 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, some countries by their nature tend to resist success.
Here's an example of a former Spanish colony
Aug 21st, 2016 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea
NOT, perhaps, very inspiring - just like Argentina, not very inspiring!
@32
Aug 21st, 2016 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really... Argentina has more World Cups than ALL THE 59 BRITISH colonies put together, and 200% more World Cups than all of them + the colonial master put together.
Already more successful, and at your supposed “own sport” no less (ignoring the fact that a sport where a ball is kicked has been around for ages, and just because it was “codified” does not mean you invented it. It would be like me saying “I made rules for driving, so I invented the car”.)
@33
Aug 21st, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heh, when you have to bring up World Cup wins to show your country is better you know you've lost the argument. (To Brazil.)
Besides, it's not like the old British colonies are bad at sport. They just prefer beating us at Cricket and Rugby rather than football. :)
DT
Aug 21st, 2016 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is “us”?
Soccer World Cups are a measure of a successful country?
Aug 21st, 2016 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha Argentinean education in all its glory!
@36
Aug 21st, 2016 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a better measure than invading, plundering, occupying, bullying, drugging, bombing, deracinating, and killing others. Remind you of any countries? (clue: EUialand + the island to it's northwest)
@34
Cricket? Rugby, well, we are getting slowly better I'd say. Basketball? We've won that a few times at the Olympics and World Champioships. You?
@37
Aug 21st, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basketball? That's the boys' name for netball, isn't it?
@39
Aug 21st, 2016 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's what the Cricket players go to watch when they want to see a real sport, like, where you actually have to run for more than 10 seconds... in a row!
@37 Capi
Aug 21st, 2016 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We got silver in rugby and I don't grudge Fiji their gold. And no one could complain about Team GB's performance at this Olympics. Second in the world on the gold medal table, and the only host country ever to get a higher medal count at the following games. Not bad for a country that's smaller than Ecuador.
Having said that, of course Skip is right. Sporting prowess is no measure of a successful country; we should be looking at things like HDI, and immigration vs emigration.
@38 gordo01
I played both at school (it was a weird school), and basketball was better for several reasons: you play it indoors in the warm and dry, you can move with the ball, and there's a board behind the hoop to help you get the ball into it. Much easier than netball.
@35 Kanye
Us is Britain, and that really should have been a winking smiley anyway.
Capi, Brazilians are with you! For whatever comes...including a new invasion of the Falkland.
Aug 21st, 2016 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hay que esperar a que el momento adecuado para romper las cadenas de colonolialismo Malvinas. Todo tiene su tiempo bajo el cielo, que Dios nos ha dado.
Brasso
Aug 21st, 2016 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a serious discussion site, Argentina and Brazil invade The FALKLANDS, you are out of your mind. Seriously you would not get within 200 miles of the FALKLANDS before your infrastructure in Brazil would be wiped out.
How English do it? And if they do, they are prepared to counter attack? English are prepared to counter attack?
Aug 21st, 2016 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are probably the only country in the world that are able to launch a high power nuclear warhead anywhere in the world. Defenseless.
Cuidado, inglês!
43. Smoke crack much?
Aug 21st, 2016 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Aug 21st, 2016 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's also managed to offer his help to the one Argentine poster who doesn't actually want to get them back!
There is nothing to get back. Leave those inlets alone.
Aug 21st, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Focus on the issues of our time, like setting up a demand fund for damages caused by the British in 1806 and 1807 as a result of their colonialism.
@46 Capi
Aug 21st, 2016 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a great idea. It'll pay for about 1/10,000 of the damages Paraguay will be demanding from Argentina for the War of the Triple Alliance.
Tão pegando você prá limão!
Aug 21st, 2016 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZuh4EWrnXU
Brasileiro, deve procurar cuidado en saúde mental. Agorinha.
Aug 21st, 2016 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And back to the story,
Aug 21st, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine judge opens investigation ,
changing it to suit don't help,
lets face it , what has Argentina got to be proud of,
perhaps that needs investigating.
@50 Briton
Aug 21st, 2016 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“lets face it , what has Argentina got to be proud of,”
They've won 3 golds and one silver medal in the Olympics. So congratulations Argentina!
Proud of?
Aug 21st, 2016 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In order:
Quilmes
Choripan
Korruption
Viveza criolla
@46 Any payment would, of course, be due to Spain as in 1806 and 1807 Buenos Aires was a colonial city of that nation. However as Spain and Britain were at war at that time no payment is due.
Aug 21st, 2016 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basket ball a sport ? You get a team of men ranging in height between 1.90 cms and 2.20 cms Stand your tallest players near your opponents basket and drop the ball in. They then do the same to you.....boring ! The number of baskets scored in a game proves how easy it must be.
Aug 21st, 2016 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#43 If what you say is true then you are a Russian.
@54 Clyde15
Aug 21st, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If what you say is true then you are a Russian.”
Nah, he just thinks he can get his mates the Russians to do his dirty work for him. Brasileiro thinks there is some kind of BRICS union, like NATO or something, and they are going to take over the world. Isn't that right Brasileiro?
Yes!
Aug 21st, 2016 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-pIW_Mz0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-pIW_Mz0s
Mr. Clyde,
Aug 21st, 2016 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The commercialised version of NBA Basketball is an entertainment spectacle, a full evening's entertainment package.
Not a fan of basketball whatsoever but soccer is just about the world's weakest spectator activity - right up their with watching a light blue pastel shade of interior latex wall paint cure.
Aug 21st, 2016 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basket what?
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Chronic,
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Soccer matches do not pander to the fans, that could be why they create their own excitement.
Sometimes that takes the form of fan violence or hooliganism.
Apart from that, the play is exciting. I enjoy it.
However, it's not a full day of spectacle like football, with marching bands, cheerleaders, singers etc.
Golf is less than fascinating.
@60
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0For individual skill golf cannot be beaten. Mind you rugby is good to watch, no diving or feigning injury to get a penalty. In football too much possession and little attacking whereas rugby is all about attacking and scoring.
Nobody has mentioned snooker - far more skilful than golf - far more interesting than rugby - basketball boooorrring.
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#60
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean football and American football,
#62
Difficult to compare. Both require complete control of emotions. In snooker there are no variables as it is unaffected by the weather. In golf the conditions change by the hour and no two golf courses are the same.
Tennis is probably the best to watch. It requires speed, stamina, agility and mental toughness. The Olympic final against del Potro was an example of the fitness and skill of the two men in a 4 hour grueling match.
I cannot think of any other spectator sport requiring this amount of effort.
@61 golfcronie
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine national rugby union team - los Pumas - play very attractive rugby. Hugo Porto is the best fly half who has every played the game!
@56 Brasileiro
Aug 22nd, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I thought, you are just another poster who dreams of starting pointless wars.
I think this comment on your video said it best:
“Esse video so foi feito para inspirar uma emocao nos brasileiros. Uma emocao que nao vai levar nada de bom. Os Americanos nao querem guerra com o Brasil, pare de imaginar e querer guerra.”
@58 chronic
You've obviously never had the pleasure of watching cricket.
Cricket is indeed a nap wasted but soccer is king.
Aug 23rd, 2016 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think this blog has lost its way.
Aug 23rd, 2016 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blog?
Aug 23rd, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, lost its thread.
Aug 24th, 2016 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thread?
Aug 24th, 2016 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you two, clones?
Aug 24th, 2016 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's your compass: All rgs lie.
Aug 24th, 2016 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's your reference point: All rgs live in the past.
@72 “All rgs live in the past.”
Aug 24th, 2016 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd dispute that.
There are a large number of Kirchneristas that have a promising future.
In prison.
#72 chronic
Aug 24th, 2016 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One thought the civilized world had made progress by recognizing gender, race and minorities equality among other advances.
And here comes a human being spewing contempt for a whole country.
Pathetic.
Really sad.
Apparently
Aug 24th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they will investigate, who shot president Kennedy,
And the mystery of Apollo 11 next.
so they say...
But we also see someone who is doing his best to help undermine confidence in a country's economic recovery, and wishes to keep everyone equally poor for ideological reasons.
Aug 24th, 2016 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic.
Really sad.
74. Reeeeeeeeeeeeekie:
Aug 25th, 2016 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be sad that I vocalized it.
Be sad that it's true.
You affirm this with your every post.
You specifically illiterated this in this very venue.
@77
Aug 25th, 2016 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique is right. You are just a bigot and a consumated troll.
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