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Nicola's message to Theresa: Scotland's referendum on independence back on the table
The Scottish government will start preparing the legislation required for a new referendum on independence from the United Kingdom in case it is needed, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told the Scottish parliament on Tuesday. Last week Sturgeon said her party would start a survey to test support for secession, questioning at least two million Scots just as Britain negotiates its exit from the European Union. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNicola would have Scotland cut off its nose, to spite it's face.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland is bankrupt without the rest of the United Kingdom!
Sep 08th, 2016 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder Woman!
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bye bye!
Bye bye Barnet formula, £9 billion of English taxpayers funds saved!
Cheaper holidays in Scotland!
With WW and Capt James T Kirk at the helm doom for Dunoon…
Scottish independence will be goof for...
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland's deficit reached almost £15 billion in the last financial year after revenues from North Sea oil and gas fell by more than 50%, figures have revealed.
The Scottish Government published its latest data on revenue and expenditure, which showed a deficit of £14.9 billion for 2014-15 when a geographic share of North Sea revenues is allocated to Scotland.
That amounts to 9.7% of Scottish GDP, compared with the overall UK deficit of 4.9% of GDP.
North Sea revenue fell from more than £10.9 billion in 2011-12 to less than £4.8 billion in 2013-14, before dropping to £2.25 billion last year, according to the data.
Ooooh. Sturgeon got a magic wand?
Wants she going to cut?
No more free prescriptions and university education. Tax rises inevitable.
Ans: the rest of the UK and SNP politicians.
As Sturgeon requires Westminster's permission for another referendum; and as, so far as I can see, that aint likely to happen, it rather looks like Nicola is whistling in the wind.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the confusion of the UK media.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://wingsoverscotland.com/and-twirling-always-twirling/
Look at whay post 4 is based on.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/and-twirling-always-twirling/
Not long now for Indyref2. ;-)
One report suggested that if the SNP: a) privatised the entire NHS in Scotland requiring everyone to have private health insurance, b) put 3p on Income Tax basic rate and c) put 5p on the 40% rate, that still wouldn't make up the shortfall. And since they wouldn't have the Pound and couldn't join the Euro in the short to midterm then they would need a new currency which means they would be very limited in their borrowing. And none of this is scare-mongering since the deficit figures are from the Scottish government's own Stats agency.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a quickie till later,
Sep 08th, 2016 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently she lives with salmon and Robinson occupying rooms at Scottish Broadmoor lunatic asylum ,
The three mad hatters..lol
back later.
gordo1
Sep 08th, 2016 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK is bankrupt! much greater chance the Tories will sell of you bunnies down there in the Falklands! your future under the Tories is in a far greater danger, if enough financial benefit is offered by Argentina to Westminster you will be sold off, your oil won`t last and you only have so much fish. the Tories hang on to nothing if it costs money.
Nicola Sturgeon is a complete fool
Sep 08th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I don't think she is a fool. I think she is covering her arse.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She knows that all sorts of surveys suggest that at the moment another referendum won't wash so she is going through the motions to make it look like her 'independence' pipe-dream is still on the cards.
She is well aware that the support for the Scottish Nazi Party is slipping or at the very least has reached a peak from which there is only one direction - down. So she's trying to do a 'Falklands' a la KFC to keep the Glaswegians on-side.
@9
Sep 08th, 2016 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK bankrupt? I missed that news. Credit ratings still AA and AA1 despite this. Are you sure?
@6
GERS is the report of the Scottish government's own Statistician. You (and Wingsoverscotland) may not like what it says but that doesn't make the data wrong. The SNP were happy to base their economic case on GERS data in indyref1 back when oil was worth more. What Wingsoverscotland also do is try to wish away bad news with best-case scenario outcomes following independence e.g. Scotland to accept no UK debt (which would amount to a default and damage the Scottish pound at the moment of its creation), or Scotland to accept some debt while still expecting to receive its full assets share (yeah good luck with that!).
As for indyref2 - latest YouGov has No at 54% same as 2-years ago despite the Brexit Leave vote two months ago. The SNP will put it on the statute book but not enact it. Remember, never confuse movement for action.
1- You maybe have hit the nail on the head! After all opinion polls up there show the Conservative Scottish leader has a stronger personal leadership support than Nicola - from the overall Scottish electorate! barely 30% want a referendum and then even if -only about 40% would vote for Independence - similar to last time - and oil was US$100 plus a barrel then!
Sep 08th, 2016 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ2EinI8w9I
5 Roger Lorton
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0suggest you read Articles of Union a simple majority in Scotland is all that is required.
#14
Sep 08th, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You realise of course that the parcel of rogues were the Scottish Lords and landed gentry who took a bribe to support the Union. With hindsight, it was a good decision as it then allowed the Scots to run rings round the English and develop and administer the colonies. Scots were some of the first to settle the Falklands.
Without the Union they would not have been able to settle there.
So, how do you feel about the Scots now ? Hoots mon, the noo.
Lowlander at (16)
Sep 08th, 2016 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes laddie..., I do realise that Engrish gold bought you lowlander parcel of rogues in the past...
As I do realise that you lowlander parcel of rogues are being bought and sold for Engrish hireling traitor's wages today...
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
@14 Sold for English gold? It was a bail out by England after the failure of the Darien scheme which went belly up involving possibly 50% of Scotlands entire wealth.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(18) Engrish rancher in Uruguay...
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't Think the word “Bail-Out” existed in Burns time...
Hence the word “Gold”...
Does anyone believe this Scottish hag has any sense at all, or is she completely bat-shit mad because it seems that way to me?
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leave the UK to be in oblivion? Yes, that will work, NOT.
Its not the fault of the English , Romans , Saxons , Celts , or the bloody Vikings,
Sep 08th, 2016 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it suited both, and has done for over 300 years,
Why should our northern British brother be hoodwink skinned and sent to the nuthouse , just because Nicola Sturgeon wants to live alone in isolation,
Some Scots today in replies have stated, Not in my name, she don't represent us,
She aint as popular as some think, but more importantly the scots Voted to remain part of the UK , unfortunately, Nicola Sturgeon wont listen, its her way or the drain,
Will she get another referendum ,probably,
will they vote to remain , probably,
will she accept it, probably not,
Will they get another referendum, probably
will she accept it, probably not, and so on,
As a unionist we must remain united and strong,
just my humble British opinion.
@19 Fishy Scandahovian in Chubut.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the time the pound Scots was worth 5% of the pound sterling and was exchanged at par. Nae bad deal for a canny Scot methinks.
Geeeeee..... Mr. redp0ll...
Sep 08th, 2016 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have just clarified Scottish history!
How could Mr. Robert Burns get it sooo wrong?
Yo really deserve an extra helping of tatties & neeps....
21 Briton
Sep 08th, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nicola does not want another referendum right now simply because the majority support for it does not exist at present its at 47% if the poll in the newspaper a couple of days ago is correct, another failure will destroy the Snp or at least put them into the wilderness for the next forty years she is playing it canny the hated Tories no lovers of Scotland (and the majority of Scots know it ) need another five years at wrecking Scotland then they will be ready for another referendum and a good chance it will succeed all they have to do is let the Tory continue as usual, as for English history were the Union was an act of English benevolence suggest you study the actual history the three years prior to Darien where the English first agreed to be partners with Holland in the venture then pulling out at the last minute which was bad enough then forcing Holland to also withdraw, the peace the English created with Spain allowing the Spanish to attack the colony and destroy it, exactly 2 weeks after the then declared war on Spain after promising them a lasting peace! the failure of Darien was a strategic necessity for Englands domination of the British Isles and its expansion of its empire, guaranteed a pro English government in Edinburgh were the French could have launched a land invasion of England, the real reason for the English engineered Darien disaster, and a few years later a British army of 10,000 men stationed 7 miles south of Edinburgh to help Scottish citizens vote for the union !after of course they had bought most of the MPs in the Edinburgh parliament, what is clear is England systematically undermined, conspired, bribed, threatened and intimidated Scotland`s entry into the Union then attempting to pass it of for English benevolence.
So Scotland wasn't powerful enough to protect or project its interests..... should it have gotten some special deal to opt out of the world at that time perhaps?
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A “Glasgow Kiss” for Nicola:
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://youtu.be/tFdUmLEJqtY
When we hear in the news here in Britain,that the scottish first minister sturgey wurgey wants to test scotland population for a case of a 2nd scottish referendum,she is like a pimple,squash once,thensquash again.The last referendum as given by previous PM cameron.Scotland remains part of UK ,scottish people voted to stay,she and scotland were told that was only referendum,be no 2nd vote,Cameron ruled it out.When the new PM Mrs May stated that thier will never ever be a 2nd referendum.It has been ruled ,will never accept.But sturgeon has refused to accept the first and only referendum ,NO 2nd,vote.Besides Scotland CANNOT AFFORD TO BE INDEPENDENT .The OIL revenue for scotland has in 2yrs has been reduced from over £20billion down to £6billion and getting less each year.So the scottish finances are going down.So scotland can never be able to get independant.Better tell the scots woman accept the fact,scotland will be part of UK for ever Thanks .
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#24
Sep 08th, 2016 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's pointless trying to explain as I don't believe any English person here has really looked at the Darien scheme except as a total failure by the Scots and don't believe England had any hand in it's collapse.
The much quoted benevolent sum paid by England was to compensate Scotland for taking part of England's national debt. Once the Union was joined then Scotland was responsible for part of the debt.
Recent Archaeological research has shown that the Darien scheme could have worked . The Panama canal proved the advantage of a direct route from the Pacific to the Atlantic. Until the advent of steamships, the Cape Horn route was extremely perilous to sailing vessels and added weeks to journey times.
As to the SNP, why are you surprised that they want independence. Of course they will take every opportunity to push the case BUT they have not carried the Scottish electorate with them.
Personally, like many others, I am sick of politicians calling for elections, referendums, etc. I wish they would just bugger off and leave us in peace !
.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/acts_of_union_01.shtml
Try reading this for a more balanced view
Salmon(d) and Sturgeon should both have been thrown back.
Sep 08th, 2016 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 028
Sep 08th, 2016 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0which of the above events in my post are not balanced?
the 10,000 troops seven miles from Edinburgh on the day of the vote? the facts state the correct view it was strategically important for England to dominate the UK mainland they controlled the seas around it and any danger of invasion by land came from Scotland, a pro French government was never going to be allowed by Westminster to be a threat any more than a Catholic King! being sick of elections and referendums is the price one pays for democracy although I do sympathise with you it is wrong to suggest it should be stopped / dropped/ waylaid because you don`t feel like it! there is the off button, you don`t have to read or listen to the radio! you and not the politicians are responsible for how you feel! not the SNP.
Methinks it is now time for England to hold a referendum to confirm if they , the English , want Scotland to continue as member of the U.K. .The results could be interesting !
Sep 09th, 2016 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Methinks it is now time for London to hold a referendum to confirm if they , the Londonians , want London to continue as member of the U.K. .The results could be interesting !
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes they should and while every Tory will tell you the Scots are parasites not one will vote to dump Scotland for fear that it will expose the lie they have fed the English for generations, only an Englishman will tell you we are living of the English and expect Scots be thankful for it! few other people would have such a hard neck the 45 % of Scotland indy voters will be the first to support England, now if we could only find an Englishman with the courage.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Several new nutjobs seem to have appeared. In addition to that fool Think wittering away like a demented whotsit. Where is his poodle, surely he has something profound to Voice on this subject?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 33 Oder 1001
Sep 09th, 2016 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are an Argy, aren't you (it's not a question).
When are you going to learn English to mask your deceit better?
Try using capitals at the beginning of sentences and paragraphs to make your thoughts clearer: I know that's an impossibility.
Do you even realize that post was just one sentence?
Must try harder.
Did Axel Arg lose his login?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicola is right !
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland should not jump into cliff together with England !
there are few tricky methods to separate but they haven't find yet .
Max Allo Allo! Another SA nutjob - like flies around a turd! Learn to spk Engrish!
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Max
Sep 09th, 2016 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jumping “into” a cliff is much less dangerous than jumping off one I would reckon.
@Think
I don't know why I'm even pointing this out but London isn't a country and never has been. Just because it is a net contributor to the UK exchequer doesn't make it a potentially sustainable independent state any more than Manchester was during the 19th century. It you want to draw arbitrary borders around wealthy regions in the hope of undermining the integrity of European nation states then the EU is full of much better examples, not least Catalonia and Lombardy which really were independent once and might well have the right to self-determination.
@37 Sad Max
Sep 09th, 2016 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“there are few tricky methods to separate but they haven't find yet”
What's that supposed to mean?
Looks like Google Translate is up the chute again.
Oder 1001 (#)
Sep 09th, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 Briton
conservatives, need another five years at wrecking Scotland=
Surely its the Scottish government that is wrecking Scotland not Westminster.
suggest you study the actual history the three years prior to Darien=
why should I study that,, I did not even mention this in the comment.
, what is clear is England systematically undermined, conspired, bribed, threatened and intimidated Scotland`=
Can you prove this,
Scotland has been with us for over 300 years, they voted to remain part of Britain full stop,
you must be a SNP supporter or anti English,
you just cannot go on hating and blaming England for all of the problems of the past,
the future is what is of interest not the past.
(39) Mr. Redrow...
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
...“I don't know why I'm even pointing this out but London isn't a country and never has been. Just because it is a net contributor to the UK exchequer doesn't make it a potential.........”
I say...:
Don't tell me, a humble Patagonian dweller....
Tell them...: (By the way... If Singapore could doit, why not London?)
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-london-independence-time-to-leave-uk-eu-referendum-sadiq-khan-boris-johnson-a7100601.html
Etc..., etc..., etc...
Chuckle chuckle....
Oi Stink I was up in town last night at the Apollo. We were laughing at a sad character just like you. You should do a show there! Voicey could be part of the act too, he's sad enough.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder Woman could be the warm up act!
You know nothing about the worlds greatest city..
Paris?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just proved it… . Bahahahahaha…
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezia?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rimini is better. But… Southend is better than Rimini :-) Anyway its sinking and will soon be under water like La Plata.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kyoto?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sushi - ugh!
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reine?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gásadalur?
San Giminignano?
I'm tired Think, you wore me out. :( You never mentioned BA? Its certainly big… . Nice parts around tbe marshalling yards.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Blackburn?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hull?
Luton?
Middlesbrough?
Preston?
Stoke on Trent?
Wakefield?
Chuckle chuckle...
More examples of the UK media/press attacking the First Minister of Scotland.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's disgraceful behaivour by the yoon media.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/ready-to-rumble/#more-87955
(53) Escosés Doido
Sep 09th, 2016 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a “funny” Escosés...
When the Sassenachs pee on you,... you get pissed off...
When the Sassenachs pee on somebody else..., you endorse them...
No, he gets pissed on… . :-) As for Wonder Woman - she does Scotland no favours.
Sep 09th, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53
Sep 09th, 2016 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quoting WingsoverScotland again?!
You should vary your reading - you might learn something.
@42
Singapore was expelled from Malaysia, whereas Brits have no intention of expelling London. In fact we feel genuine pity for Londoners seeing as how they have to live in London.
(53) Escosés Doido
Sep 09th, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Sassenachs pee on you,... you get pissed off...
When the Sassenachs pee on somebody else..., you endorse them...
Come on Escosés Doido, reply=
I want to see if you have a sense of humour, lolol
@28 Clyde15
Sep 09th, 2016 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't a lot of the English hostility to the Darien scheme due to wanting to avoid a war with Spain? And wasn't Panama much too disease-ridden for successful colonisation at the time? I seem to remember that the first attempt to build a canal there failed because most of the workers died from tropical diseases.
@24 Oder 1001
Of course the Union was not about benevolence, England didn't want a potential enemy at it's back when it had ambitions abroad, and the Scottish establishment needed the money and wanted the chance to share in the English colonies since their own had failed. Of course the ordinary people of Scotland (and England) were not consulted at all.
Nevertheless, the Scots didn't just sit around afterwards but used their chance to invest in the now shared colonies, or emigrate to them, and took a full part in building and running the empire.
@31 Baxter
Of course no one likes being rejected, but saying “I never wanted you anyway” isn't going to help.
@35 ChrisR
Does it matter where he's from? He's not claiming to have any local knowledge and it doesn't make what he says any more true or false.
@ 58 DT
Sep 09th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“now if we could only find an Englishman with the courage.”
So I take it that you are not English then?
Ex-Pat Anglo Turnip at (59)
Sep 09th, 2016 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Mr. DemonTree is 100% Engrish...!
And, most probably, a Golden Retriever owner... ;-)
And how would Mr think know this,?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just an uneducated guess...
Sep 09th, 2016 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So probably British as well then...
Sep 09th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 ChrisR
Sep 09th, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am English, though I don't own a Golden Retriever. And I really hope Think was just guessing.
35 ChrisR
Sep 09th, 2016 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well surely Chris its obviously to an enlightened one like yourself I must surely be a Jock? but the reality is I don`t care what you think, as for my point over finding an Englishman with courage to call for a referendum to expel Scotland from the union then why don`t they ? there is over 50 million of them! maybe you should try to focus on the actual point rather than the minor issue of punctuation. Soar Alba
65
Sep 09th, 2016 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why don't they?”
Why would they?
66 Kanye (#)
Sep 09th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the post it was an English poster here that made the suggestion, but I agree with you they never will because the lie of the Tories will be exposed, English Tories hate the truth.
@67 Oder 1001
Sep 09th, 2016 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the people suggesting this are just motivated by a vague feeling of 'if you don't want us, then we don't want you either'.
It's a daft idea anyway, holding a referendum to chuck out part of a country.
What lie are the English Tories telling? And are the Scottish Tories also lying?
How would Snr. Oder throw that?
Sep 09th, 2016 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am Scottish, or am I Argentinean, I'm confused?
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0No support amongst most people for another referendum....like Clyde says ordinary folk are just sick of the same old rant....FREEEEDOM....
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's only the ardent nationalists muttering...
End of her career if she gets it wrong....
Go for it....make my day punk....;-)))))
know that
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hold your horses, Mr. Voice...
Sep 10th, 2016 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be such a killjoy...
“No support amongst most people for another referendum....” you say?
AFAIK the difference between YES and NO is currently some 100.000 souls...
If we were to include the millions of genetical an spiritual Scots from USA, Canada, Australia and Patagonia on that vote, Alba would be free today...
The Party continues... and we are millions....
Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom
;-)))
T
@Think
Sep 10th, 2016 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If we were to include the millions of genetical an spiritual Scots from USA, Canada, Australia and Patagonia on that vote, Alba would be free today...”
Trying to gerrymander again? Of course if all the actual Scottish people living in England, N.Ireland & Wales had the vote as well the No vote would be higher. It does amuse me that you spend so much time fantasising about how London, Scotland or NI might leave the UK. I'm assuming you've seen this week's IPSOS poll that has NI 3:1 in favour of the Union despite the Brexit vote.
As for 54/46, that is still the same as the actual Ref in 2014 and that was 2M vs 1.6M so >200,000 (assuming another high turnout) would have to change their minds.
@“Oder 1001” the noo
”Soar (sic) Alba“?? Hilarious.
You really should research your sock puppets better - and maybe have another ”Scots Whiskey“ while pretending to be ”Scotch”!!
68 DemonTree
Sep 10th, 2016 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It's a daft idea anyway, holding a referendum to chuck out part of a country.” The original idea was put forward by an English poster on here , what is surprising not that it was said but the lack of response or more accurately non response by the English posters , lets find out just how well balanced the view is, so I invite “all English people here to state the positive benefits for England by Scotland remaining part of the Union?”
70 Voice
45% of Scots voters support independence 47% if the report a few days ago is correct! that's 1.5 million from about a total 3.4 million. if people don`t feel like voting, don`t vote simple! one does not suspend democracy because some folk can be bothered! no one is forced to vote ,as for people being sick of it happens in Scotland too! while we are told only English benevolence keeps Scotland going. I have no sympathy for English moaners if they are sick a tired of Scots “get rid of them”, since they can find no positive reason for Scots as part of the union then its sheer“ English stupidity” to maintain the status quo.
Hmm now we have Mr Think disagreeing with himself? Probably comes from playing Braveheart on a continuous loop. Its Wonder Woman's turn at the moment, it will be James T Kirk's turn next and he will have another try. Nice weather in Dunoon today dont wear a skirt :-)
Sep 10th, 2016 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Redrow
Sep 10th, 2016 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0what makes you think I care a hoot as to what you call me?, Argy, Scot, British or bastard or a Benny ? call me whatever you feel comfortable with.
“Dinnae teach yer Granny tae suck eggs!”
in English
Don’t try to teach someone something they already know.
(73) Mr. Redrow
Sep 10th, 2016 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
”As for 54/46, that is still the same as the actual Ref in 2014 and that was 2M vs 1.6M so >200,000 (assuming another high turnout) would have to change their minds.“
I say...:
That is ”true” if you choose the mainstream Anglo brainwashing media to inform yourself (as you do with all things Argentinean, for example)
I do prefer to go a little deeper into things i care a bit about...:
* “”Scottish independence support falls again: No side ahead by 54-46“
What? I mean, what?! There have been five credible polls on independence since the EU referendum : an online Panelbase poll showing a significant increase in support for independence, telephone and online polls from Survation which both showed a significant increase in support for independence, an online YouGov poll showing a modest 1% increase in support for independence, and then yesterday's online YouGov poll showing that the 1% increase had been reversed, returning us to the position in the poll before last. On what planet does that sequence of results justify the statement ”Scottish independence support falls again“? Answers on a postcard, folks. Eaton is either cynically intending to mislead, or just doesn't have a clue what he's talking about - I'm struggling to see a third option.
Can YouGov's figures of Yes 46%, No 54% be regarded as reliable? As I alluded to in my TalkRadio article yesterday, every pollster has its own 'house effect', and there's no guarantee that other firms will report the same basic trend, let alone the same headline numbers. One point about YouGov's methodology that has become increasingly controversial is their failure to include 16 and 17 year olds in the polling sample. You could call this institutional inertia, but really it boils down to Anglocentricity....””
*James Kelly
Scot goes pop
The majority of fellow northern brits, [ scots] voted to remain part of the UK,
Sep 10th, 2016 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0the majority of British voters voted to leave the EU,
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez, What part of democracy some don't understand,
Always putting barriers in the way,
We the British need stability, confidence and the Free will to do things by ourselves,
Even if the government has no clue..lol
Think, how is life at 65 Brook Street these days? Now that the Trolley Dolly has departed who is serving the snacks?
Sep 10th, 2016 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good try with the statistics but in truth a pro independence vote is even more unlikely these days because Scotch coffers are empty and getting emptier by the minute. And just Think, all the shipbuilding moved to Portsmouth and Plymouth. Faslane moved to Falmouth. Dunoon would become even more of a desert. It would mean the end of Sheilas and the chippy! Turkeys dont vote for Christmas. Your paltry efforts are a joke.
Your Voice is even disagreeing with yourself. The Union is safe.
Now, where is the worlds greatest City?
@74 Oder 1001
Sep 10th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the non-response is mostly because it's not actually a serious suggestion, and people on here hardly represent a balanced set of views anyway. But very well.
If Scotland left, the rest of the UK would be diminished in almost every way. What country wants to lose nearly 1/3 of it's territory and over 8% of it's population?
We'd lose the Scottish talent and large cultural contributions. We'd lose the military bases and other infrastructure (and Scotland would lose the jobs they provide). Looking at history, Britain has been a lot more successful as a country than England or Scotland ever were alone.
In addition, without Scotland the political and economic balance of the country would shift even further towards London and the South East, which already have too much influence. A lot of the North of England is more similar in some ways to Scotland than to London.
Plus leaving would create big problems for the many people from the rest of the UK who live in Scotland, and the many people from Scotland living in the rest of the UK. It would be bad for the economy (which is already going to be suffering from leaving the EU), it would create an international border, and it would cause a lot of unnecessary work and headaches for no benefit to us.
While it's true that Scotland receives more in public spending than the rest of the UK, a lot of this is due to the low population density and more rugged terrain, which makes providing services harder. Plus there are a lot of Scottish people working and paying taxes in England who are also helping to pay.
(80) Damn you Charlie Brown...
Sep 10th, 2016 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scrupulous circunspect Engrish people like you make the quest for Scottish independence a tad more difficult...
Stop it!
;-)
@80
Sep 10th, 2016 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Careful now - your well balanced and reasoned comment may be removed, as it breaches guidelines - not having rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour ; )
Had a word with Braveheart, he's not in favour. Mars Bars come from Slough and Glasgow would riot if their Buckie was cut off. Sorry Nicky, its a non starter.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(82) Eilean Siar
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhjhhh...
Somebody should report his lack of abuse!
According to Nicola, the second referendum is “on the table”, be in no doubt “on the table” is a second referendum. Lest we forget, the second referendum, is still “on the table”. It’s “on the table”, the second referendum, without any doubt.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0F*ck all use “on the table” Luv, is it!
Having been round Europe and told categorically Scotland cannot stay in the EU when Britain leaves, Scotland must leave and re-join. This second (if it ever gets off the table that is) referendum is going to change that how?
@ 4 Brit Bob
Where EU fiscal rules call for states to keep deficits no more than 3% of GDP.
Also those figures only include the current spend of the Scot Gov, no allowance for the additional costs of running a country, like paying for a civil service, pensions, embassies abroad, a defence budget, EU budget contributions etc. etc.
Loss of MOD and UK GOV jobs, shipbuilding to England, capital flight.
Add to that no real currency, no access to money markets and what have you got? BIG tax rises AND BIG cuts in spending, just to survive.
Kosovo will be joining the EU before an independent Scotland.
Worst case scenario for Nicky (and Scotland) would be to win a second referendum, hence it stays on the table.
Unless of course oil goes to 300 or 400 USD/barrel.
@ 27 mikey48
Figures in the last few weeks put total oil/gas revenues now at 0.
@74 Odder 1001
Fact is your average Porridge Wog is just not that stupid as to vote themselves all of the above.
Oh and don’t forget next time the rest of the UK want a vote as well.
@ 80 DemonTree
Steady now, some of the muppetry here can only handle so much truth at any one time, they are not used to it and can’t easily digest it.
I Think someone misheard. What she actually said was “Scotland's Referendum on Independence is AT THE BACK of the table” That's if she has any sense, which I doubt. All based on emotional dogma.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Scotch pals all have emergency bags packed just in case. The South East would become even more overcrowded. Rent a room. :-)
Tunnocks Caramel bars, is why Scotland should stay in the UK. The only thing I don't like about Scotland or indeed anywhere is Nationalism. The effect of Nationalism in Scotland is to encourage cultural isolation so that more and more Art, Drama and Current Affairs is about Scotland, which is OK up to a point but ends up creating a generation of narrow-minded, insular know nothings who are more easily suggestible to Nationalist politicians. This is not in Scotland's interest even if it would make independence more likely.
Sep 10th, 2016 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
YouGov got indyref1 bang-on (apart from the infamous rogue poll a week before the Ref) - that's why i tend to trust it.
@ 86 The Voice
Sep 10th, 2016 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to Nicola, the second referendum is “at the back of the table”, be in no doubt “at the back of the table” is a second referendum. Lest we forget, the second referendum, is still “at the back of the table”. It’s “at the back of the table”, the second referendum, without any doubt.
Still sounds pretty much the same though, and still a case of -
F*ck all use “at the back of the table” Luv, is it!
“Scotch” I was told (somewhat firmly) is a drink, they are Scots or Scottish.
Oatmeal Savages out of the question then, I said.
Fortunately they laughed, understanding Squaddie Speak.
88 I suggest you listen to a few 50s radio programmes or watch Whiskey Galore or some-such. Scotch is a perfectly valid term to describe the inhabitants of Scotland. An American once asked me ” What part of England is Scotland in? Is it near Somersetshire? They are well up to speed on Geography!
Sep 10th, 2016 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given that Scotland appears to have nowhere to go if it leaves the UK, is this destructive 2nd Referendum a very cunning plan by Nicola to wring more concessions out of Westminster?
Sep 10th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Give the people what they want”.
What other countries can we think of where that is working so well just now?
@89 The Voice
Sep 10th, 2016 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Whiskey Galore” wasn’t the “Scotch” in the ship then?
Only saying what I was told, as I said “somewhat firmly”, feel free to argue the point with them yourself.
No joke, I did once hear an American woman in Mexico ask her husband, what part of the US was Mexico, much to the embarrassment of her husband, who did apologise to the Taxi driver in Spanish.
“If we were to include the millions of genetical an spiritual Scots from USA, Canada, Australia and Patagonia on that vote, Alba would be free today...”
Sep 10th, 2016 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having ancestors from Inbhir Àir doesn't give me a vote!
However as an Australian I could possibly vote at the next referendum I suppose..... how about you Think...... oh I guess not!
Don't eat the cheese or you will end up down here or even worse Brain Dead. New cheese alert after child's E.coli death - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37327742
Sep 10th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#79
Sep 10th, 2016 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunoon would become even more of a desert.
Just a correction to above. I doubt if anyone working at Faslane or Coulport would live in Dunoon. It's at least 50 miles along roads that are liable to closure in Winter. The base worker would live in Helensburgh, Rhu , or even Glasgow and it's environs so Dunoon would be unaffected .
As to moving the bases and shipbuilding to Falmouth, Portsmouth and Plymouth , it is certainly possible at a cost of Billions. As to placing a nuclear arms dump in the S. West it would make the high speed rail link to Birmingham look a bargain. I am sure it would be popular with the locals to be made the number one target in the UK and I can imagine the screams about house prices collapsing .
To all and sundry :-
Whiskey is Irish or American.
Whisky is Scotch
The film and book is Whisky Galore.
I think that Britain has enough on it's plate just now without adding another problem with talks of a referendum....ONLY BY THE SNP who do not have a majority. Our country seems in a right mess with no one having a clue as to what the future holds. Until we finally leave the EU I can't see many countries anxious to do a deal with us. It stands to reason it's a better deal trading with a market of 440 million than 60 million.
Oh no you can't....Skip
Sep 10th, 2016 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotta be a resident...
If I gave you mine, which way would you vote...?
Voice
Sep 11th, 2016 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have an NI number and would only need to move there before the vote. So yes I could vote if I wished. That is why I used the word “possibly”. I may do an exchange to Scotland during my masters. Or indeed do a masters in the UK. So who knows where I'll be. Didn't know I'd be living in Montréal ahead ago.
As to how I would vote.... I honestly don't know. I actually support both sides of the argument.
There's emotional and logical reasons for each side. Depends on which regret I could probably live with.
the English still can`t find a reason why its good for England that Scotland is part of the union but will defend the stupidity of paying to keep it there! throughout history all the peoples of the world who came under English domination had the same thing to say about them, that is“ what they say and what the do are two different things and what they mean is something else” the nation least trusted by anyone! looking at the facts who can blame them? 167 nations under the British empire none have requested to return to Westminster rule,old habits die hard for them!
Sep 11th, 2016 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Sep 11th, 2016 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds as if you are describing the Argentine education system.
Just like tbe SNPs reason, Englands long association and friendship with our pals in Scotland is the reason we don't want the Scots to leave Clyde, its emotional, and separation would make little sense. We like you and value you. Its all just all friendly rivalry and leg pulling really. Britain is developing too many new ethnic enclaves, we dont need any more. My climbing pals live in Rhu and Helensburgh. Cycled back and forth to Dunoon several times to get the ferry at odd times. Some of the back roads around there are pretty tortuous.
Sep 11th, 2016 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@97
Sep 11th, 2016 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The overwhelming majority of people in England are perfectly happy with the Union and are only irritated by Scottish Nationalists demanding rights and benefits that they don't enjoy themselves. I don't want Scotland to leave the UK but spending per person is higher in Scotland than it is in England and while this may be justified for various reasons it is a bit rich of the SNP to still complain. The SNP have run Scotland for a decade now so when are they going to take responsibilty for their failures. They have been free to raise extra taxes for the whole of that decade but chose not too as they don't want to associate independence with higher tax, at least not until independence is irreversible. As I posted above, 3p on basic rate, 5p on higher rate and private health insurance required for everyone still wouldn't cover Scotland's current deficit.
@97 Oder 1001
Sep 11th, 2016 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the English still can`t find a reason why its good for England that Scotland is part of the union but will defend the stupidity of paying to keep it there! ”
Wrong. See my comment @80. And other posters agree.
“167 nations under the British empire none have requested to return to Westminster rule”
What government would give up power and put themselves out of a job like that? But you're wrong about this too. In 1933 Newfoundland, suffering from economic collapse and government corruption, agreed to direct rule from Britain in return for financial assistance.
I don't believe you're Scottish either. If you were, you'd know there have been plenty of Scottish PMs in charge of that empire that no one wants to be ruled by.
#99
Sep 11th, 2016 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am trying to get my head round cycling to Dunoon from Rhu or Helensburgh.
A feat worthy of Bradley Wiggins if you go by Whistlefield to Arrochar or a suicide route via Loch Lomond and over the Rest'. For certain death, try the Erskine bridge route to the Western Ferries at Gourock.
Like it or not, there does seem to be a divide happening.
Lots of the things reported in the news have no real relevance here.
Junior Doctor's strike.....ENGLAND
New Grammar schools...ENGLAND
Southern rail strike........ENGLAND
Islamic radicals...............ENGLAND
To top it all, listening to the weather forecasters telling us that we are enjoying a heat wave. Typical of the bloody English stealing OUR warm weather and diverting the rain and gales to the North !
Cycling… clue, a couple of ferries involved :-) Its all happening, England is experiencing a bit of turmoil at the moment. Its quite normal. Blame BBC Scotland! That Alba should put out more English language programmes and Scottish News, it a bit of an indulgence for a minority group. Have a word with Wonder Woman.
Sep 11th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the weather, when my BIL moved from Lanarkshire to London he couldnt believe the massive difference in temperature and rainfall. Often less rainfall in the SE than Beruit!
#103
Sep 11th, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, this is on the BBC national news.
96
Sep 11th, 2016 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Skip....A couple of ex-pat Scottish celebrities thought they could buy a flat in Edinburgh a year before the referendum to be able to vote....Nope...
You certainly could vote, but you would have to be registered here for a couple of years I think...
....the financial regret is the biggest regret....I don't let idealism cloud my judgement...
104
If one waits patiently, with a good memory for long enough folk will always make a mistake....
Now I know who you are....on yer bike old man...
btw...you have never cycled the route from Dunoon to Helensburgh...if you had you would realise it is both amazingly scenic and torturous...
@94 Clyde15
Sep 11th, 2016 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moving the nuclear arsenal is estimated at £5bn, moving the bases and shipbuilding is easy and would only costs to close down in Scotland, very little, everything is in place where it will go.
The sensible option, proposed during the last referendum, was to move the arsenal when Trident is replaced, which given the political situation still in Scotland with the SNP, they may well do anyway.
However then rest of the Submarine facilities would inevitably follow.
@97 Odder and Odder1001
“throughout history all the peoples of the world”, that is quite a claim.
And you have evidence for this??????
Of course you don’t, never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh.
I’m afraid, you are without doubt, just a blithering idiot.
@100 Redrow
Ignoring the cost of running an independent country for a moment, if you just take the current deficit of £15bn and a population of 5m, that is a undertax/overspend of £3,000 a year, for every man woman and child.
For those who want to know a bit more about politics North of the border Andrew Marr (serial interrupter) is dishing out tbe lowdown on BBC 2 at 8pm tonight. Pity its ended up where its at. With conflict and discord in almost every oil producing area of the planet the SNP could conceivably end up with a financially viable case for flouncing off at some point. Then, that place will become even more of a true socialist hellhole. What a price to pay…
Sep 11th, 2016 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Clyde I meant @103....
Sep 11th, 2016 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(105) Mr. Voice...
Sep 11th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you identify the impostor?
What next?
Berwick, London bridge, Newcastle upon Tyne, Perth & Stirling perhaps? ;-)
“Resident anglophobe snake!” Pretty good description. I have a mental image of Hissing Sid! How about coining one for his other personna?
Sep 11th, 2016 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely Mr. Think and without a shadow of a doubt....
Sep 11th, 2016 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also know where he lives....hell... I even have a picture of him...
Still...live and let live my curiosity is now assuaged....
;-))))))
106 BugH ole
Sep 11th, 2016 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you are going to pick me then don`t be English about it “! choose the entire line than irritates you ! ” throughout history all the peoples of the world who came under English domination“ is what I said! I hope your arithmetic is better than your general knowledge, since there 193 states at present and 54 non members states that makes 247 countries of which the British empire had actually 154 colonies so you see your mistake/lie that is not all the people of the world as you tried to imply! as for blistering idiot you have a good lead over most here.
what you do! what you say !and what you mean, but your Englsh I understand.
” never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?”
may I suggest you practice what you preach?
The public debt increases or decreases as a result of the annual budget deficit or surplus. The British Government budget deficit or surplus is the cash difference between government receipts and spending, ignoring intra-governmental transfers. The British Government debt is rising due to a gap between revenue and expenditure. Total government revenue in the fiscal year 2015/16 was projected to be £673 billion, whereas total expenditure was estimated at £742 billion. Therefore, the total deficit was £69 billion. This represented a rate of borrowing of a little over £1.3 billion per week. as the deficit is reduced the national debt rises, in effect the English are increasing the national debt, England can`t save itself never mind Scotland, shifting the deficit to the national debt and claiming they are ruling the country with economic prudence. you have to be an Englishman to believe it!
Hisssssssss...
Sep 11th, 2016 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
Think… coming from Mercopress“s premier imposter thats a bit rich… posting from 65 Brook Street in the middle of the RG night. How can you be so blatent? Do you Think we are as slow on the uptake as some here obviously are ? :-))))
Sep 11th, 2016 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#106
Sep 11th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estimated £ 5 bn...when did any govt. estimate ever come in on budget !
heguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/04/mod-nuclear-submarines-scotland-plymouth
Well, that's Plymouth bombed out.
http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/9506026.Falmouth__nuclear_store__plans_revealed/
Doesn't look too promising for Falmouth either !
Surely they could find somewhere on the South coast in the channel and build submarine pens like the Germans did in WW2. They could compulsory purchase land including small towns and build deep silos for the storage of the missiles. If any accident happened with the release of plutonium it would only drift NW with prevailing winds over London and the Home counties. I am sure the population would be OK with that.
You could also take the 7 decommissioned nuclear subs. at Rosyth and store
them at Plymouth. They would be delighted to have them.
As to the building of RN ships, the way things are going , it may not happen.
Clyde, you seem to forget we have Aldermaston and Burghfield down here plus France's huuuuge Sellafield 60 miles S of the IOW. Location, no prob…
Sep 11th, 2016 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gentlemen and ladies, at this moment in time she wont even answer questions on her own economy,
Sep 11th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some say this, some say that,
Nothing will happen for the foreseeable future,
The UNITED KINGDOM is safe for now,
lets concentrate on withdrawing from the EU first,
far to many doomers and gloomers who would like this Great country to fail,
Well, they will all have a very long wait,
Then again if the nutter of Korea ever gets his way, we may all be shovelling the same ash...?
Relax, its Sunday, be positive. Happy and confident, or just watch the X Factor, that will cheer you all up...lol
@12
Sep 11th, 2016 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“since there 193 states at present and 54 non members states that makes 247 countries of which the British empire had actually 154 colonies so you see your mistake”
I'm sorry this statement makes no sense. Are you saying that the British had 154 colonies? 193 states at present - in what? 54 non-member states of what?
Please elucidate as I am truly baffled
kind regards
Membership within the United Nations system divides the 206 listed states into three categories: 193 member states,[1] two observer states, and 11 other states. The sovereignty dispute column indicates states whose sovereignty is undisputed (190 states) and states whose sovereignty is disputed (16 states, out of which there are 6 member states, 1 observer state and 9 other states).
Sep 11th, 2016 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Compiling a list such as this can be a difficult and controversial process, as there is no definition that is binding on all the members of the community of nations concerning the criteria for statehood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states
Mind you, how many have heard of[ Niue, ]what a wonderful world.
18 darragh (#)
Sep 11th, 2016 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0154 countries and Territories made up the British Empire, the total number of countries today in the UN is around 250 and there are other countries who are not. the point I was making was from PugHOLE
he said
@97 Odder and Odder1001
“throughout history all the peoples of the world”, that is quite a claim.
what I actually said
” throughout history all the peoples of the world who came under English domination“
the number of states that exist today where never all British territories as he was attempting to imply that is what my post meant, does that clear it up for you? classes of states , observer states, other states are irrelevant to the point I was making, the UK controlled about 1/3 of the lands and countries on earth give or take a few miles here or there.
At 117.
Sep 12th, 2016 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just you keep chanting that mantra. Lol.
Britain controlled not England. Scotland was complicit as well.
Sep 12th, 2016 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Voice I'm not a celebrity ex-pat. There's nothing to stop me registering unless they legislate. No one would know.
My next referendum vote will more than likely be constitutional recognition of Aboriginals and another bloody republic vote. Not Scottish independence.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Sep 12th, 2016 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0At 123;
Sep 12th, 2016 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fit the fkuk are ye oan aboot yi gype?
Thir cad the Falkand Islands yi feel.
123 Hepatia (#
Sep 12th, 2016 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0your wrong! England will not return the Islands until they are costing more to keep than the profit or potential profit (oil) they are making, you will possibly know that in 1982 it was Thatcher government that ordered the scrapping of the RN `s only ice patrol ship based in the Falklands (to save money) creating the false impression to Galtieri that England was not interested and would not respond, the tragic loss of life on both sides caused by a dictator on the one and a penny pinching politician on the other, after the war the FIG announced they intended to repay as much as possible the financial cost to the UK for retaken the islands, they know full well what will happen if the Falklands cost the UK more than they are worth.
Really blaming the victim for the war?
Sep 12th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose women deserve to be raped if they wear the “wrong” clothes.
Typical, pathetic, disgusting Argentinean educated logic.
Freedom isn't Free. No better situation that exemplifies this saying than with the Scotland case.
Sep 12th, 2016 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English Anglos (the same ones clamoring for the UK to leave the EU), lambaste those who are for Scotland exercising the same right, and trot out the litany of disastrous economic predictions, ominous fiscal numbers, so as to say it isn't worth it to be FREE.
If the Scots have any brains, they would start addressing any possible imbalances now, and have the country fiscally prepared for separation. The economic costs of freedom are insignificant compared to the cost of freedom itself. Grow a pair and ditch the UK, it's time in history is done, an era where despotic kings and monarchs decided the arrangements of European borders. The UK is just but an example. Time to enter the (now) mid 21st century.
Who is this racist 127? Is he lunatic?
Sep 12th, 2016 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@128
Sep 12th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Who is this racist 127? Is he lunatic?'
Just some Argentine troll who hates the English so much that all he does is try to shit stir.
He has all sorts of persona and sock puppets on this sight so just do what the rest of us do ignore him. He hates being ignored more than he hates the English.
@120 Bad Odor 1001
Sep 12th, 2016 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no, no, no, what you actually said was and I quote:
“throughout history all the peoples of the world who came under English domination had the same thing to say about them, that is“ what they say and what the do are two different things and what they mean is something else” the nation least trusted by anyone!”
So I repeat, where is your evidence that:
a) ALL peoples said the same thing?????
b) And that was “what they say and what they do” etc. etc??????
By the way, saying “everyone knows” is neither evidence nor an answer, just an Argy excuse for having no evidence.
Like I said, that is quite a claim, so now let us see your evidence.
@ 127 CapiTrollism_is_back!! (#)
Missing the point again Toby, which is that they are FREE to choose their own future.
For what ever reasons.
#127
Sep 12th, 2016 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get off your soap box ignoramus . The “Brexit” vote was UK wide...not on a regional basis. The narrow majority voted for it ...that's democracy.
As to Scottish independence, a minority want it. Democracy again, if the bulk of the population want it, it will come eventually. Until then we are the United Kingdom.
”Time to enter the (now) mid 21st century.“
That's a laugh coming from you ! You are the one who keeps harping back to the early 19th century and won't forgive the wrongs done to your blameless country
If we acted that way, we would hate the Germans, French, Spanish, Danes,
Italians, Norwegians, Japanese and more recently, the Argentine. We don't, as we are a mature country and can move on from conflicts.
It seems that you thrive on long forgotten incidents that belong in history.
By the way, your arithmetic is faulty 2016 is not mid 21st century....2030-2060 would be acceptable.
So ” despotic kings and monarchs decided the arrangements of European borders” So, it only happened in Europe ?
Who decided the borders of the Soviet Union, China annexing Tibet or in the case of Argentina, from a small colony at the river Plate making continual land grabs until they are at the Southern tip of the continent, then avariciously looking West to the Falklands, then the sub-Antarctic islands and finally Antarctica.
You are completely blinkered and wrapped up in your own little world.
The English Anglos (the same ones clamoring for the UK to leave the EU)
Sep 12th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0127, you really do try don't you,
well,
your silly indoctrination wont work, trying to put one brit against another is typical of argy losers,
you will achieve precisely nothing,
your anti brinish hatred is showing only to well,
you should try another subject,.
130 Pughole
Sep 12th, 2016 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0154 nations decided the could do the job of running their own affairs independent of Westminster, none have requested a return to their previous privileged position of British colony e.g. Singapore backwater of the empire since independence has the largest stock market on earth all 269 square miles of it an example of what can be done with nothing but people no natural resources at all. it used to be called the British Empire, then the British Commonwealth no just the Commonwealth, now your not allowed to call it British anymore because the world loves the British but you have to be an Englishman to believe it like you pug.
101 DemonTree
Newfoundland and Labrador is the youngest province in Canada. Newfoundland was organised as a colony in 1825, was self-governing from 1855–1934, and held dominion status from 1907–1949 (see Dominion of Newfoundland). In late 1948, the population of the two colonies voted 52.3% to 47.7% in favour of joining Canada as provinces. Opposition was concentrated among residents of the capital St. John's, and on the Avalon Peninsula. can`t find any reference to direct rule from London in the time scale you gave.
as I said previously why would I care what you think if I am a Scot or not? another poster said also how would that validate the points I make? I do know your English or at least pro English because it very typical of English debate to cast doubt on the person or persons in order to undermine their argument standard M.O.
yes I do know about Scots in the in days of empire
first Prime minister of Canada a Macdonald
first Governer General of Austraila a Mac Quarry
first Scot to cross east coast to west coast North America on foot Alexander MacKenzie
David Livingstone discovered Victoria Falls on the border of the former colonies of Northern Rhodesia and Southern Rhodesia
gold discovered bv ”Wheelbarrow Alex Patterson at Pilgrims Rest in the Transvaal South Africa, Scottish history any time!
“154 nations decided the could do the job of running their own affairs independent of Westminster”
Sep 12th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then Skip calls Argentine logic “warped”, talking about the “rapist” blaming the victim. Yet he and the other ANGLOS do the exact same thing.
The British always bay out “We allowed 154 nations to peacefully go their way, unlike those Spanish Barbarians”. Yes, the Spanish are also crap, they are EUROPEAN after all, I would forgive Europeans for having being the scourge of the Earth the last 500 years. But the British top it...
Claiming you allowed all these nations to break away peacefully was a good thing, insinuating some sort of inexistent virtue in the exercise, would be like the Boko Haram kidnapping 400 girls, keeping them prisoner for a few years, then letting them go and touting this as a virtue of their benevolence.
You create a despotic empire through conquest, deracination, and extermination (involuntary and sometimes voluntary), destroy cultures, try to change most others in your image (see all the efforts at “whitening” the ways of natives, baby kidnapping), and then when you let all this go... you try selling the move as pure kindness out of the blue.
ANGLOS WILL BE ANGLOS.
Racist lunatic
Sep 13th, 2016 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0134 CapiTrollism_is_back
Sep 13th, 2016 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0you allowed them to go peacefully ? aye right you did! in the end you dumped them because the costs became to great for England to pay, even in countries like Canada the British have to suppress many rebellions from Canada to Asia and beyond google it!
I will agree with you on the Spanish they were the equal to and as guilty as the British the slaughter of the natives in South America can be match by the slaughter of natives in India and don`t forget Englishman it was the English that taught the North American Indians to take scalps introduced during the English French wars in North America the British required proof their mercenaries had killed the enemy before being paid by the British army.
terror tactics? you bet! first concentration camps in modern history ? not the Germans the British! Anglo Boer war 1899- 1902 google it!
Another racist lunatic. This one living more than a century in tbe past!
Sep 13th, 2016 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beautiful morning in tbe South East. BBQs out. Its chucking it down in Scotland. She can change the government but cant do anything about the weather!
Sep 13th, 2016 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle..
@133 Oder 1001
Sep 13th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In 1933 the Newfoundland legislature voted itself temporarily out of existence, ending 79 years of responsible government. The following year, Newfoundland accepted a constitution similar to those in place in the directly-controlled Crown colonies. A country voluntarily giving up self-government is highly unusual”
http://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/politics/collapse-responsible-government.php
It is unusual for a country to give up self government; that is why I brought up the fact that Scots have helped to rule and run the Empire. The problem with the British Empire was not 'rule by the English' as you claimed, but rule by an Empire. The people of Canada could not vote for the government in Britain, the people of India could not vote at all. Naturally independence is preferable.
This is not the case for Scotland which elects MPs to Parliament the same as England (and Wales and NI). Entering a union with other countries is not unusual in history, and not the same as being part of an empire, so your argument is irrelevant.
And it was actually me who said it wouldn't make your words any more true or false if you aren't Scottish, so perhaps I shouldn't have brought it up. Your insistence on being a victim is interesting though.
@133 Fetid Odour 1001
Sep 13th, 2016 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, well, that’s all very interesting, but, you haven’t answered the question though, have you???
No, you haven’t!!!!
Let me remind you, you made a very sweeping statement, and have been asked to present some evidence to support it.
Let’s try again, where is you evidence that:
a) ALL peoples said the same thing???
b) And that was “what they say and what they do” etc. etc???
No more inane blither please, evidence to back up your claim.
Feel free to Google it.
Also, I think we should add to the list, rebellions in Canada???
@ 134 CapiTrollism_is_back
So, what are you trying to say here Toby, that we shouldn’t have let them go???
Or that Boko Haram should keep the girls, no matter what???
@140 Pugol-H
Sep 13th, 2016 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“rebellions in Canada???”
He's not making that part up. In 1837 there were rebellions in both Upper and Lower Canada. Since the British Parliament wanted to avoid a repeat of what happened with Canada's neighbour, they eventually agreed to give Canada responsible government.
I wouldn't hold your breath on getting your first question answered though.
“So, what are you trying to say here Toby, that we shouldn’t have let them go???”
No, he's saying we shouldn't expect praise for doing so, since having an empire is wrong in the first place.
@141 DemonTree
Sep 13th, 2016 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t worry, I’ll keep reminding Rancid Odour 1001 that he hasn’t and obviously can’t, with the consequent loss of face.
With respect to Toby I was being facetious, waiting for him to reply as you did, then point out that empires have been a consistent theme throughout human history, still going on today.
No one can claim innocence in historical terms, or they wouldn’t be here today.
What Toby cannot stand is that we don’t feel guilty about history, any more than modern Romans do.
I like to keep reminding him that we revel in it.
138
Sep 13th, 2016 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where you think it was chucking it down...but it was bright and sunny here this afternoon...
I'll bet you are still plucking bit's of BBQ from that beard...get it trimmed...old man...
Note to myself.....
Sep 13th, 2016 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Voice has a beard...
;-)
Note to myself…
Sep 13th, 2016 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think has an echo. ;-)
BBQ included English grass fed Beef. None of that feedstock rubbish.
Dismal mizzle for Dunoon tomorrow :-)
Yupppppp......
Sep 13th, 2016 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Engrish beef fed beef wasn't soo good..., was it?
134 CapiTrollism_is_back
Sep 13th, 2016 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry my post was meant for the cretin 126 Skip (#)
126 Skip (#)
How is Thatcher or Galteri victims in this case? Galteri started the war and Thatcher created the excuse for it.
“suppose all you like” that's not fact, its not fact because an Englishman supposes anything its more often lie, now that's a fact!
“Typical, pathetic, disgusting Argentinean educated logic.” really?
how about Typical, pathetic, disgusting your English educated logic.?
140 Bughole
the term “ British” is hated by most of the former colonies and territories
the evidence for it is the “ British Empire” as it was once called then changed to “British Commonwealth” to just Commonwealth your not allowed to call it British anymore ! the fact that many dumped the monarchy after independence cut and reduced economic and cultural ties (not in every case but many) all done out of love for the British, they would not have left would they? after all they were getting a better deal from Westminster right? all these people had the same reason for leaving the Empire they were not getting a fair deal from England! whether Canada or India or where ever ! they all knew the British where not it! they all knew what Englishmen said, what they do , what they meant was all different , 154 nations left because they believed they could do better and did, now bughole you prove they where all wrong? how many have realised the error of their ways and asked to come back to being rule by Westminster= none! proof enough “ all peoples under English domination” is what I said ie the Empire the fact that it no longer exists proves the people of these countries and territories all share the believe that England not doing the job for them! like any sensible person they leave! common logic in the lack of any evidence you could supply Englishman, try harder! suggest you start with rebellions in Canada you have conformation from another Englishman that its true!
145
Sep 13th, 2016 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dreich....we call it...
It don't bother me...I'm waterproof...
141 DemonTree (#)
Sep 14th, 2016 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0it appears your point is correct on Newfoundland they gave up there status as a self governing Dominion, but only for 5 years until they joined Canada so I suggest your point confirms more what I said, in that they had two go`s at Westminster rule and left twice, the move back was temporary and not permanent from your article economic measure due to corruption and bad government were the reason for the move their eventual choice was Canada not Britain. one from 154 independent states hardly rates as shinning superior British example only to give it up a second time! facts speak for themselves! I do appreciated your honesty though
“And it was actually me who said it wouldn't make your words any more true or false if you aren't Scottish, so perhaps I shouldn't have brought it up. Your insistence on being a victim is interesting though.”
but I am Scottish! if not then I must have had good and very accurate history lessons in the Bueno Aires English High School? I am no more a victim than everyone else in the former empire/Commonwealth English control has been equally bad to all! and myself like the other 154 nations citizens think it would be better for their country to do their own thing.
Bug hole
in this paper there is an article on the type 26 combat ship and gives an example of what I said, before the indyref Scots were told they would be building 12 of these ships, a week after the results they were told 8, now the date to start has been as been postponed indefinitely/ a classic example
of an Englishman what he says, what he does, and what he means. go check!
OH! and if your going to try and use Scots words its “Blether” not Blither.
“No one can claim innocence in historical terms, or they wouldn’t be here today”
acceptance of guilt or justification for it?
#149
Sep 14th, 2016 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0whether Canada or India or where ever ! they all knew the British ..“where not it!” What does the last bit mean?
You say you are Scottish ? Where did you learn English ? We start sentences with a capital letter and use punctuation. You would certainly fail any English exam in a Scottish school. I am not saying anything about the content as that is your opinion.
It means English interests came first and before and above all else! p*ss off “! if you want to play schoolies, didn`t profess to be a professor of English nor is this post about English punctuation or grammar, not criticising your view or English just doesn`t address the issue under debate, stick to the subject! doesn`t matter what I say I am you and your kind will deny it typical English debating tactic ”play the ball not the man.”!
Sep 14th, 2016 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Odour, your posts dwell on stuff thats well in the past. You are out of date, out of touch and devoid of rational arguments. I should shut it if I were you you have become the object of derision. Stick to the article and cut out the blather…
Sep 14th, 2016 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, Wonder Woman will no doubt be successful at some point, then Scotland will be in deep shit. If only they listened to Ruth?
Might as well stick my tuppence worth in... someone is using a non UK/US keyboard...
Sep 14th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps he means of Scottish heritage...there's about 30 million of them...
@147 Rancid Odour 1001
Sep 14th, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing, quite unbelievable, really.
So, by your own admission, 154 former parts of the British Empire, upon gaining independence, of their own free will, chose to join the “British Commonwealth”, and are still members of the “Commonwealth” to this day.
Not the actions of rabid Anglophobes, is it????
Quite to opposite in fact, isn’t it????
When you do try and quote “evidence”, what you quote completely contradicts your own argument.
But you didn’t even notice that, did you????
Simply not the brightest bulb in the box, are we????
As for Blether or Blither, being an Englishman who speaks neither Gaelic nor Lowland Scot, why on earth would I ever consider using a Scots word in place of the English one????
So intent on trying to find something, anything, to have a go about, you actually neither notice nor care you’re posting complete rubbish.
And you wonder why you get ridiculed.
Sad state to be in.
#151
Sep 14th, 2016 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite simple. If you use English grammar WHEN posting in English, THEN you may be understood. The same applies to punctuation. It clarifies what you mean to say. I had not a clue what you meant by....where not it...it meant nothing in English.
Your posts are a dead ringer for “axel arge” who seems to have disappeared from the scene. Are you his reincarnation?
@ 58 DemonTree
Sep 14th, 2016 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ @35 ChrisR
Does it matter where he's from? He's not claiming to have any local knowledge and it doesn't make what he says any more true or false.”
I have been on MP for almost six years and I have seen this character in another guise.
It took Clyde15 to confirm his true identity. Well done, Clyde.
Axel Arg is a well known acolyte of TMBOA and has even less intellect than she does and that's saying something.
@149 Oder 1001
Sep 14th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Newfoundland is the exception that proves the rule. As I said, no one wants to be ruled from afar with no control over their own government.
On the other hand, Newfoundland did agree to join Canada rather than becoming an independent country. Being part of a bigger country is not the same as being a colony in an empire as you seem to think.
“I am no more a victim than everyone else in the former empire/Commonwealth English control has been equally bad to all!”
Exactly what I am talking about. You don't think Scotland has even the tiniest share of responsibility for the former empire, and you claim to be as much a victim as people who really suffered under it.
“but I am Scottish! if not then I must have had good and very accurate history lessons in the Bueno Aires English High School?”
Sounds quite likely. I certainly did not learn this stuff at school in Britain. It's a shame your school didn't spend less time on colonial grievances and more time on spelling, punctuation and grammar, though.
And by the way, leaving a country undefended does not make you responsible if someone else invades. It's still wrong to break the law even when you are not being forced to obey it.
152 The Shriek
Sep 14th, 2016 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we don`t need wonder woman to be in sh*t we have England and the Tories
154 Bug hole
“And you wonder why you get ridiculed.? no actually I don`t it goes with the territory of disagreeing with anything English lucky its not the old days when they send an army to persuade you otherwise. You should never start a sentence with an ”and“ ask Clyde to explain it for proper English.
seems your all making the same mistakes you accuse me of, are you sure you lot are not Argy`s?
156 ChrisR
Wow! a name /status dropper
your an MP? the biggest crooks, paedophiles, dishonest, devious and conniving bunch of wannabees anywhere on God`s earth and all in England, not sure if you should be patted on the back for your honesty or crapped on for your stupidity,anything I am called by you and your type I will consider that a compliment!
”I have been on MP for almost six years ” watch your English grammar Clyde may not like it,
@158 Oder 1001
Sep 14th, 2016 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROFL. ChrisR is not am MP. This website is called MercoPress, MP for short; you should be able to work it out now.
Incidentally, what do you think of the MSPs? Also a conniving bunch of wannabees, or honest, hardworking representatives of the Scottish people?
@156 ChrisR
I looked up a few of Axel Arg's old posts and I'm not convinced. They don't make the same mistakes; Axel Arg's were obviously the kind a Spanish speaker would make, whereas Oder's errors, eg 'where not it' for 'were not it' are more plausible for a native speaker. Plus he misspelled 'Buenos Aires' too.
Huh..it's not Axel...Oder 1001 has been around for quite sometime always singing the same anti English tune, but also does not support Argentina from what I've read...
Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/02/18/extremely-difficult-if-not-impossible-for-an-independent-scotland-to-join-the-eu-says-barroso#comment309636
doing159 DemonTree
Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Incidentally, what do you think of the MSPs? Also a conniving bunch of wannabees, or honest, hardworking representatives of the Scottish people?”
you are most likely right on that! how much would you like to bet more English unionists and Scottish unionists are doing prison service right now for their crimes? easy money for me if you take the bet, No SNP have been convicted of any criminal actions at least yet, not to say they are not capable of it just that the British unionists are well ahead , you have actually gone and checked and found my Spanish spelling mistake? now your getting clever and closer to where I come from. I will tell you this I have told you no lie on where I come from.
the article on Newfoundland states that it was corruption, bad government and bankruptcy that caused then to give up Dominion status, it had nothing to do with distance as you attempt to insinuate, they voted to join Canada and not be ruled from Westminster, Britain`s economy at that time was far bigger than all of Canada put together yet they opted for the smaller economy not the bigger British economy it was the UK they wanted to be removed from.
“I certainly did not learn this stuff at school in Britain” No you didn`t nor about the Highland Clearances, the Disarming act, the banning of Gaelic, Highland dress and the all out attempt at destruction of a people and culture and not just Scotland, Wales, Ireland, later transported to the colonies to continue ethnic cleansing. what my school missed in punctuation your school missed in truth and fact.
The UK is responsible for the defence of any British Territory to with draw the only defence in this case the ice patrol ship from the Falklands was the height of stupidity knowing full well the hostile attitude towards the islanders by Argentina. Leaving a country undefended is not illegal but it is irresponsible in the extreme and not befitting respectable government, in this case British government.
#161
Sep 15th, 2016 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're blaming the “English” for the treatment of the Highland clans.
The bulk of the Scottish population had no love for the Highlanders and regarded them as a threat to their way of life. They were probably guilty of many of the crimes “attributed” by turning their backs on the inhuman treatment meted to their countrymen. You have to remember the 45' rebellion was a civil war and the losers could expect no mercy. The aftermath was to break up the way of life and clan loyalties to ensure that it could never happen again. This was done to an excessive degree.
I am probably a product of the Highland clearances in both my paternal and maternal line. For all I know it may also go back to the Picts.
I don't sit and play the blame game and harbour grudges against long dead people whose actions were questionable.
Life was also not a bed of roses for the average English worker in those far off times. The discovery of Australia was handy as it enabled the governing powers to ship off the poor, “troublemakers” and unwanted.
If fault is to be apportioned, then it was with the rich and governing classes.
In the late 18th and 19th centuries, the bulk of the population in the UK had no vote. To blame a “country” is nonsense when their citizens had little or no say on any matter.
Some of the worst excesses of the clearances were committed by their fellow Scots.
Ok Clyde of all the atrocities committed by British armies all over the world you clearly think the excess was the Scots at Culloden, of the thousands of atrocities to choose from name one where you would blame the English?
Sep 15th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0159 DemonTree
you are quite correct I didn`t realise what MP in this case stood for my mistake.
you are correct again I am not Axel, must have been my Spanish that gave it away.
160 Voice (#)
well done! I don't support Argentina! continue with you checking you will also find my pro British stance in defence of the islands and the British war to retake them form Argentina, again you were correct to say I have been around for some time I just haven't posted on this MP site for some time, this may upset some of your compatriots above who are certain I am an Argy but the truth often does upset people. Oh! your wrong I not anti English keep at it you will get there!
@Insipid Odour 1001
Sep 15th, 2016 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You expect to get ridiculed, speaks volumes.
Haven’t you realised that the world is trying to tell you something????
The “And” is done that way for dramatic effect, like sometimes using a , with an and following, to emphasise a point.
Obviously using English at that level is quite some way above your current level of ability.
This BA English High School, apart from teaching the Glory, Majesty and Grandeur, of the all civilising British Empire, did they not teach you about the blood soaked history of ethnic cleansing and gratuitous violence that is Argentinian history?
@161 Oder 1001
Sep 15th, 2016 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you do think the MSPs are better than MPs. What makes the difference? And how about the Scottish MPs?
“No SNP have been convicted of any criminal actions”
Bill Walker, a former SNP MSP was sentenced to 12 months for domestic abuse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-24173669
Quite reasonably, the party expelled him when the allegations surfaced and he continued as an independent MSP.
“I will tell you this I have told you no lie on where I come from.”
Hmm, you have said you are Scottish but not that you live in Scotland or grew up there. Maybe Voice is right and you mean 'of Scottish heritage' rather than actually Scottish?
About Newfoundland; being a colony ruled by someone else is not the same as being part of a country, and they were never given the option to become part of the UK.
As far as I know, only one colony, Malta, was ever given the chance to join the UK. In 1956 a referendum on integration with the UK was held, in which 77.02% of voters were in favour of the plan. However, due to a boycott by the Nationalist Party, only 59.1% of the electorate voted, which wasn't a high enough turnout for the plan to go into effect.
After this, opinion turned against integration in both the UK and Malta, and Malta eventually became independent instead.
Since the UK has refused to offer this option to any other colonies, we'll never know if any would have agreed to it.
“what my school missed in punctuation your school missed in truth and fact.”
It's true, I did not learn about any of those things at school, and I agree we should be taught them. However, teaching children to read and write correctly is kind of a core mission for schools, don't you think?
“your wrong I not anti English”
You're doing a very accurate impression then...
#163
Sep 15th, 2016 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I don't think that and never said that. You are extrapolating what I said to reinforce your somewhat extreme viewpoint. Read what I said again..SLOWLY.
In the case of the 1745 rebellion, it was a civil war with the Jacobites supporting the restoration of the Catholic Stewart Monarchy against the Protestant Hanovarians
The bulk of the Scottish population in the Lowlands and Borders were Protestant Presbyterians who would not countenance a Roman Catholic monarchy.
The Highlanders were looked on as savages who were no better than papist cattle thieves.
The tragic outcome was played out on Drumossie moor in which Scottish lowland AND highland regiments took part on the government side and the Scottish clan system and way of life was broken.
I am unable to name thousands of atrocities committed by the English.
No doubt you have been googling and preparing a list.
The Siege of Berwick in 1296 was one committed by Edward 1. Par for the course throughout Europe in that era.
Cromwell's campaign in Ireland would also seem to be one however new scholarship has shown a different aspect to this.
w.historytoday.com/tom-reilly/cromwell-irish-question
The Irish and Scots made a great contribution to the British Army from the late 17th century so there are no specific “English”army atrocities that can be attributed to the English after this.
You seem to be of the school promoted by Nostrils....Anglos will always be Anglos. No more true than Argies will always be Argies.
I have had to go to the heading in this forum to see what the subject was about as we have drifted into ancient history.
Anyway, if you do not live in Scotland you have no say in the matter. We can manage to sort out our own affairs without hate mail against the English... we are capable of that on our own and they can reciprocate ...which they do.
quality, or164 Bughole
Sep 16th, 2016 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am well aware of the Conquistador bandits and the heroes of
Bernardo O` Higgins, Bolivar, and the rest of the plundering Spanish, they have much in common with the British Empire might explain why I support neither,
empire means a bigger nation exploiting smaller ones.
165 DemonTree (#
I know of Walker he was suspended when the allegations came to light and kicked out when found guilty! my bet to you was there is more Tories and Labour in Jail for criminal acts, do you want to take the bet?
what I said
“you are most likely right on that! how much would you like to bet more English unionists and Scottish unionists are doing prison service right now for their crimes? easy money for me if you take the bet, No SNP have been convicted of any criminal actions at least not yet, not to say they are not capable of it just that the British unionists are well ahead ”,
I never said they were“ better” read again!
your post
“Bill Walker, a former SNP MSP was sentenced to 12 months for domestic abuse:”
he never served in office after the allegation surfaced and never returned after he was found guilty!would you like to list the British unionists who did?
166 Clyde15 (#)
I think all Scots who who participated in Empire are wrong 100% being anti British, yet you remind me of Scot on Scot at Culloden as if the English were absent and carries no responsibility for anything that happens?
now you said
“there are no specific “English”army atrocities that can be attributed to the English after this. ”
is this now you acknowledging English responsibility for Culloden?
I never questioned the ability, quality or conduct of the individual soldier but the responsibility and actions of the officers politicians and Westminster . Anyway I do live in Scotland and have a say, yes! we are capable of our own, Glad to see you acknowledge the English are equally as bad as the Scots do you think they will learn from your wisdom?
#167
Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am afraid that your understanding of what I said leaves much to be desired
eg “there are no specific “English”army atrocities that can be attributed to the English after this. ”
is this now you acknowledging English responsibility for Culloden?
There was a British parliament at that time with Scottish representation.
If you could UNDERSTAND ENGLISH then you would not have made such a stupid remark. I said ......
”The Irish and Scots made a great contribution to the British Army from the late 17th century so there are no specific “English”army atrocities that can be attributed to the English after this.“
Note 17th century....the period from 1600 to 1699. Culloden was 1746.
If you are incapable of understanding what I have written and grossly misinterpreting it then as far as I am concerned, my part in contradicting your diatribes is over.
As to anyone ”learning from your wisdom” of course not. I do not set myself up as the fount of wisdom but express my opinion based on what I believe to be facts...not personal opinions that you seem to have.
Like I said.
Sep 16th, 2016 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So intent on trying to find something, anything, to have a go about, he actually neither notices nor cares he’s posting complete rubbish.
@167 Oder 1001
Sep 16th, 2016 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you actually believe that everything that went wrong in Scotland was the fault of England, every bad thing done by the British Empire was done by the English, and all Scotland's current problems are caused by the 'English Tories'?
Because this is what your comments suggest.
The English are as guilty as the loyal Scots at Culloden! if you can separate the Scots from the British to apportion blame to them for atrocities and play down England`s contribution then you are more than capable of understanding the responsibly that lies with leaders at Westminster for the action of their troops and troops in their pay, you may be a north British man but like you southern British compatriots your in denial! your ability to apportion blame to a minor group in the British army present at the scene and a minor number of loyalist MPs bares the responsibility alone is utter bullsh*t worthy of any Westminster
Sep 16th, 2016 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 th century English MP you would have no trouble passing the selection test today.
you said “my part in contradicting your diatribes is over”
Good! Honour what you have said!
Bughole
Is that the best you can do? when it comes to care your not worth the effort.
@171 Oder
Sep 16th, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“if you can separate the Scots from the British to apportion blame to them”
Clyde15 is not separating them, that's the point. Both took part in the battle so both are guilty.
Same with Westminster, the Scottish MPs share responsibility for whatever decisions the government made. No one is saying they bear responsibility alone except for you!
172 DemonTree (#)
Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Clyde15 is not separating them, that's the point. Both took part in the battle so both are guilty.”
Good! let`s hear him say that “all the British troops serving in the British forces at Culloden are equally guilty of atrocities, after all if the Scots and Welsh and Irish can take their share for the hundreds of later atrocities how is one to much for the English? they were not spectators at the event they actively took part and would not have won if they had not, as ordered by Westminster who bears the responsibility for all the actions of British Troops, English, Welsh Irish and Scots
you said
No one is saying they bear responsibility alone except for you!
”The English are as guilty as the loyal Scots at Culloden“
”I think all Scots who participated in Empire are wrong 100%“
I am sure I blame everyone equally that's the ”British“ English, Irish, Scots and Welsh! Westminster alone is responsible for their Army`s actions and behaviour.
”Do you actually believe that everything that went wrong in Scotland was the fault of England,“
No! are you say England is totally innocent?
”every bad thing done by the British Empire was done by the English,
No! are you saying all the bad things done in the empire could be done without England participation?
and all Scotland's current problems are caused by the 'English Tories'?
No! Scotland doesn`t have any voted in Tories they are allocated seats on the basis of a percentage vote in the Scots parliament Mundel was the only Tory to hold a seat, doesn't matter what I think its the rest of Scotland they and you need to convince.
“Because this is what your comments suggest.”
No! what what you would like to believe
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