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UK/Argentina Joint Communiqué – 13 September 2016

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The Minister of State for Europe and the Americas, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Sir Alan Duncan, visited Argentina on 12 and 13 September. The principal reason for the visit was to enhance bilateral consultations with the Argentine Foreign Ministry and attend the Business and Investment Forum organised by the Argentine Government. Read full article

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  • GALlamosa

    So I wonder how we will spin this to achieve another nail in the coffin. Economic growth and development for the Falkland Islands looks like a pretty good thing to me. Just hope Mr Macri can deliver.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    More teeth gnashing then Think?

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    Hold on, they must have missed the section entitled Falklands Dispute. Oh wait, this is the official 'Joint Communique', we have to wait for the unofficial Argentinian Version.....Come on Think spin something, anything, grab a straw and hold on for dear life...

    So nothing changes, paragraph 2 1989 : You have your opinion, we have ours, lets just agree to disagree, put it to one side so we can trade and move on.

    Well let us wait and see what transpires from this, it's new ground for Argentina to give but not demand something in return, or is this a ploy to secure the UK won't veto Ms Malcorra.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Eleven times the word Bilateral has been used...do you think someone is trying to make a point...?

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Argentine version?

    http://cancilleria.gob.ar/comunicado-conjunto-10

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    I am disappointed there isnt an item concerning the retirement of Think ;-)

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Bilateral? Telephone lines were hot at the FIG obtaining approval it seems. Had a right of veto throughout.

    Not that the Argentines would admit to that.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    It's OK Think, Old Voicey has found a straw to clutch onto...bilateral, bilateral.

    Forget that Sir Alan Duncan was there to 'enhance bilateral consultations with the Argentine Foreign Ministry and attend the Business and Investment Forum organised by the Argentine Government.'
    His real reason for visiting was to discuss the Falkland Dispute and purposely not have an Island representative there.

    Bilateral , good one Voice, you really made a cracking and valid point there, spot on the money, well done.

    0 times the words 'Falklands Dispute' has been used, do you think someone is trying to make a point....

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Do you have a point to make...?
    ...and my point is either “spot on” or “on the money” seems superfluous to use both...
    Like it would be superfluous to have more than one login...ya know what I mean huh...?

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    “None of the discussions or the statement affect the sovereignty of the islands and the UK remains absolutely clear in its support of the rights of the islanders.”

    “I am pleased we have agreed the Falkland Islands are free to set up flight connections with other countries in the region. A monthly stopover in Argentina will see a further arrangement similar to that which exists already.”

    “The South Atlantic Dialogue will seek to build cooperation in areas of mutual interest. Of course this will not include the issue of sovereignty. The UK continues to strongly support the rights of the Falkland Islanders and our position on sovereignty has not changed - there can be no dialogue on this unless the Falkland Islanders so wish.”

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-argentina-agree-joint-statement-on-areas-of-mutual-cooperation

    Seems clear enough

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Did they invite Summers, Short or Isolde?
    Bilateral.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Summers and Short were in constant communication with Duncan & had the right to veto.
    Trilateral.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    If Mrs Kirchner was dead, she'd be spinning in her grave.

    As it is she'll probably try and forget with another botox injection.... somewhere.

    Great to see Argentina forging ahead with a decent Government.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Bilateral means bilateral...
    T. M.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Lucan

    Argentina will realise its Falklands claim is irrelevant in 25 years.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    @9 'Do you have a point to make...?'...Nope, no more a point than your irrelevant point....which is?

    Still think I am Skip eh, Voice, you know my company website URL, ring the Portuguese number in the contacts, we can have a chat.....

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Of course it is bilateral. The Falkland Islands are part of the UK. They are not independent (yet)!

    Argentina recognises this because it negotiated with the UK.

    Foreign relations are still the remit of the UK government. This is not a new concept. The Falkland Island Government has established laws, conventions and norms in dealing with the UK government.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    #11 The Falkland Islands has recently discovered the magic of the telephone. Hope you catch up one day.....but unlikely.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (17) Sippy, me Ozzie mate...

    We have been through all this before, remember?...:
    ”The fourteen British Overseas Territories (BOT) are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom, but not part of it.”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/12/05/london-and-bots-reaffirm-right-to-self-determination-and-countering-hostile-sovereignty-claims#comment422456

    Think, before embarrasing yourself..., laddie...

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    So, let’s recap, no extensions to the continental shelfs in that part of the world, and clearly no Bi-lateral meeting to discuss the alleged Falklands dispute.

    However “a dialogue to improve cooperation on South Atlantic issues of mutual interest.”

    What a difference a spin makes.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Thanks Think

    The great thing about British constitutional law is that is based on non-entrenched constitutional laws, judicial rules and interpretations, conventions and mores.

    So the Falkland's relationship to the rest of the UK is much more complex than your opinion. Or any one person's opinion.

    But how's this for clarity.... NOT part of Argentina.

    Thank you for stating that the UK has sovereignty. And indeed jurisdiction.

    Not embarrassed at all.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Administration in the eyes of the rest of the world Mr. Think... not Sovereignty...
    Only the UK believes it has Sovereignty...
    Skip will never shut up about it now...
    I can almost feel his glee...

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    So, Argentina doesnt believe it has sovereignty.

    Tripped into that one :-)

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (22) Mr. Voice

    As you can see at mny comment (19) and here..., the paragraph...:
    --- ”The fourteen British Overseas Territories (BOT) are territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom, but not part of it.”---
    ... Is between “ quotation marks”.

    It is “between quotation marks” because it is a “quotation” from a British source..:
    http://www.consoc.org.uk/other-content/about-us/discover-the-facts/what-is-the-british-constitution/in-detail/

    Ergo, a textual “quotation” quoted “between quotation marks” from a British source,...
    NOT MY STATEMENT

    If anybody is iN doubt of what “quotation marks” are used for, i warmly recommend to read the following...:
    http://www.consoc.org.uk/other-content/about-us/discover-the-facts/what-is-the-british-constitution/in-detail/

    Hope that clears the air...
    Servus
    El Think

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    'Administration in the eyes of the rest of the world Mr. Think... not Sovereignty...'

    And you can provide proof of this can you Voice, every other country you say....shouldn't be hard to provide the evidence to support your statement.

    So who do the rest of the world think has sovereignty over the Islands?

    Still waiting for the phone call Voice....

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think and Marcos:
    Sorry to disappoint you- FIG knew exactly what was to be discussed - and had set the limit an agreed then with FCO.
    This was a preliminary meeting - and made sense for FIG to not be present as such - that will come later as required.

    FIG - NOT FCO - has been lookingat plans for an additional weekly flight with a 3rd Country in south America- ie NOT a flight originating from Argentina, nor one dependent on airspace permits.
    That has pretty well been costed out etc and groundwork done. Common sense and reality says:
    Much easier for said 3rd Countries to give flight departure clearances etc and for airline to do it all - if both know that there will not be diplomatic or economic consequenses for them - if there were to be - then not worth a weekly flight to them for all the hassle- commonsense and reality.
    FIG line was logical- a monthly stopover each way in BA - not a problem, no impingement any way on Sovereignty and an acceptable deal.
    More than one each way a month-NO DEAL from our side.
    Arg would like to have UK support for them as 2018 Chair of the G20 etc. so ....
    Deal Done - that is how it works in the real world.
    People give a bit --- and gain a bit. Temperature can then hopefully gradually start to drop.

    The ICRC Graves Issue - that WILL shortly become TRIlateral wether you folks like it or not. ICRC has made that very clear!
    Their initial report goes to 3 Capitals- B.A-London-Stanley. If the respective Govts accept whatever that says then, At a later date IF it is to actually turn into action:
    ICRC will have all THREE sides sitting around a table with them in Geneva -
    to sort out practical details -they made that fact very clear to the Falklands recently.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (26) Islander1

    Of coures it ”made sense for FIG(leaf) to not be present as such ....
    It was a BILATERAL meeting between the UK and Argentina...
    Your government and our government
    BILATERAL...

    By the.... what “additional weekly flight with a 3rd Country in south America- ie NOT a flight originating from Argentina, nor one dependent on airspace permits.” are you talking about???
    The ONLY thing you Kelpers got is an extra monthly opportunity to visit Rio Gallegos, Santa Cruz, Argentina....
    Enjoy...

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    This is just the start.
    Argies are going to be our best buddies shortly.
    Seems like they would even handover Patagonia if we asked them nicely.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    The ONLY thing you Kelpers got is an extra monthly opportunity to visit Rio Gallegos, Santa Cruz, Argentina.

    Poor old Think. You are often wrong to some degree but on this one you are completely wrong. There won't be another monthly flight involving Rio Gallegos. Think more northerly old man. Think of a country north and east of Argentina and south of Suriname. Think of South America's only true power house economy. Think of one of hundreds of countries in the world (or did you say all other countries in the world) that doesn't recognise British sovereignty over the Falklands. Think of the Olympics. Think of a non-Spanish-speaking country.

    Let's have a bet now Think. I bet you there'll be another flight, this time to Brazil with a transit stop in Buenos Aires. I bet you there won't be another stop in Santa Cruz. 10 quid or 200 Arses (is that the plural for the ARS?). I'll even send you Scotch quids. If I lose I'll post it to your address in Dunoon. If I am write I'll let you off easily and save you a few quid. You just have to write to Ms Watson placing a notice in her wonderful weekly simply stating 'Think was wrong and Jo Bloggs was right.'

    Wait a minute! GBP10 = ARS200. Yep, just checked again on Xe.com and that's what it says.

    Chuckle chuckle.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    “It was a BILATERAL meeting between the UK and Argentina...
    Your government and our government
    BILATERAL”

    Yes! Finally Think is seeing the world as it really is.

    The UK government is the government of the Falkland Islanders. It handles foreign affairs and defence. A different government handles other areas.

    What isn't a government of the Falkland Islanders?

    The Argentinean one. Isn't that right, Think?

    Guess that is why Argentina has to be part of BILATERAL meetings when dealing with the Falkland Islands.

    Nothing UNILATERAL about that.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    25
    http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/pdf/falkland_islands.pdf

    How many countries does the UN comprise of...?
    Are you going to say these countries do not endorse the description of the territorial status of the Falklands....?
    Administering power....is....and I quote...”The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the administering Power of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).”
    You are right it wasn't difficult to provide the evidence to support my statement...

                                                        ;-))))))))))))))))))

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    The Falkland islanders were present Think - have you not heard of video conferencing? Constant contact was maintained between Stanley and BA with the Islanders assured that they could veto at any time.

    That this information does not appear in Argentina's press (yet) is not surprising. The announcement of the Joint Statement was delayed by three hours as Argentina poured over every word in an attempt to reduce the flak that the negotiating team would come up with.

    The one thing that BA cannot mention is the close involvement of the FIG. That so many Argentines continue to be fooled by such propaganda is rather disturbing.

    Know this. The talks and the agreement only went ahead with FIG approval. Their veto remains intact. All the rest is just fluff.

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    32
    So you say....
    ...and only you...

    Sep 14th, 2016 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (29) Jo Blogg
    What a killjoy you are...!! There I was, Thinking hard, trying to solve you riddle and then you spoil it telling it is Brazil....
    I accept your bet offer with some minor modifications...:
    If you Kelpers get a direct flight to Brazil I will gladly write a piece eating my humble pie for that stubborn Watson child to print it in the Penguin....
    If not..., you will donate to my favourite charity, the International Red Cross, who soon will be digging in Malvinas turf, the modicum sum of £1,000 (thousand British Pound)... That's peanuts for you... You are after all a big shot Squidllionaire, arent you?
    DEAL???

    (31) Mr. Voice
    Nice and concise... Directly to the point... Spot on... etc,etc,etc...
    By the way... Have you called this Mr. Marshall.... He seems to be soliciting your attention ;-)

    (32) Mr. Roger Lorton
    So you say....
    ...and only you...

    Chuckle chuckle...

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    This is good news.
    But some people are never happy.
    Sensible Argies are back in charge, the nationalists have been put in their box and the haters are thrashing around trying to disguise their disappointment.
    Love it.

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    Will be interesting to see whether this public change of approach encourages more reasonable and sensible Argentines to speak up. We are regularly told there are lots of them.

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    @ 31...Really Voice, that is your proof, bit more complicated than assuming that the name 'administering power' in the list of NSGT's confers that country does not assert sovereignty over said territory. What do you think NSGT means.....

    'Sovereignty in the sense of contemporary public international law denotes the basic international legal status of a state that is not subject, within its territorial jurisdiction, to the governmental, executive, legislative, or judicial jurisdiction of a foreign state or to foreign law other than public international law'.
    Now by that definition, who asserts sovereignty over the Islands, Argentina.... no one....any one.? Or are you suggesting they are independent as they assert sovereignty over themselves? (I am quite happy to accept that, but it would still be wrong in definition)

    ....Did you notice what was at the bottom in small writing in your link....
    Here it is in larger letters for you.
    * A dispute exists between the Governments of Argentina and the United
    Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty
    over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).

    Hmm what dispute, Voice say the UK doesn't hold sovereignty...problem solved no dispute.

    @34 Think... What, brave anonymous keyboard warriors like you and Voice, of course he won't. He needs those straws to clutch onto. He will take the coward's way out, deviation, repetition and insults would be my guess

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Alan Duncan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Duncan

    interesting past, likes wealth,

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    37
    Yeah coincidently I have seen Skip use exactly the same argument...“someone must have sovereignty over the islands”...
    I'll make it plain and simple for a student like you to understand....the UK claims sovereignty and the rest of the world recognises they have administration over them...not quite the same thing is it...?

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    I do believe it is British Sovereignty

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (37) Mr. James Marshall

    Firstly, you protest and get all indignated about some not yet uttered insults from Mr. Voice...
    In anticipation you strike first calling him (and me) “keyboard warriors” and “cowards”
    How very British of you...

    By the way... Mr. Voice did nothing but provide you with exactly what you so haughtly asked from him at (25)...
    ... The United Nations link where the United Nations declares that...:
    ”A dispute exists between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).“
    Meaning that..., as long as the dispute goes on..., none of the parts has internationally accepted ”Sovereignity” over the said areas...

    Insults and denial of facts.... You are quickly working your way into my Turnip lizt..., laddie...

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    @39...So 2 out of 3 wasn't a bad guess, unless you are insinuating that at 48 I am of a childish intellect like a student, 3 out of 3? So pretty much 'spot on'.

    Repeating the same argument about the nomenclature used, 'Administrators' of NSGT's sadly doesn't make you right. By definition, the UK asserts sovereignty over the Islands. Are you saying that definition is incorrect or have you evidence that another foreign state other than the UK has jurisdiction in the Islands? So the UK, clearly by definition, asserts sovereignty over the Islands. Just claiming another state's territory, does not invalidate the others sovereignty over that territory.

    @41... Now Mr Think, I think I touched a nerve eh. No anger or annoyance from me just anticipating a reply, based on his modus operandi and typical responses and was I wrong?

    Are you maintaining that you or Voice have never used any abusive wording in your posts on this site (Turnips, Village Idiot, Squatters, Anglo Turnips etc,) Do you post under your real names, if all that is true, then I sincerely apologise for suggesting otherwise.

    Oh and maybe you want to read my post again, just like yesterday you seem to be adding words, where did I call you a coward? Voice on the other hand, he choses to call me a liar, so once again I have called his bluff and true to form he runs. No further explanation needed.

    As for your list Think, really, how old are you?

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @14. Indeed it does. Glad you've got that far in learning English. Here's some more. No means no. Argies are assholes. Our ships float. Our guns work. WE haven't forgotten. Reparations still required. Apologies still required. Argieland still guilty.
    @22. Actually the UK KNOWS it has Sovereignty. As does the UN.
    @27. Wonder how Uruguayans get to the Falkland Islands? A FIG-authorised flight from Montevideo?
    @31. Still divorced from reality? The Falkland Islands are actually a UN trust territory. So when argieland invaded in 1982 it was actually attacking the UN as well. And got told to get out. The United Kingdom does NOT administer the Falkland Islands except in three respects. In consultation with the Falkland Islands Government, it established a constitution, it deals with foreign affairs, it deals with defence. A few minutes thought should give you some idea of how many other things, such as flight authorisations, there are to administer.
    @39. British sovereignty was established in 1775. Or perhaps 1690. Nobody argued. Did I hear you mutter that argieland didn't exist then? Quite right. So the entire world had no problem. Not even argieland. Until 1945. Do you not think 255 years was leaving it a little late?

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    You keep trying this line Voice. But someone must have sovereignty.

    Otherwise, please list all land areas outside of Antarctica on the planet that someone is not exercising sovereignty over!

    To claim the rest of the world recognises UK has administration over the Falkland Islands is an attempt to simplify something through deliberate misrepresentation.
    The EU and all EU states recognise UK sovereignty. Gibraltar is part of the EU and has the exact same legal standing within the United Nations as does Falkland Islands.

    You confuse the existence of a sovereignty dispute to negate sovereignty which is an extremely facile argument. Continuing to fall back on just how the UN sees this is also not an answer. The fact that the UK agreed to have the Falkland Islands listed as non-self governing concerns the status of the government and still does not negate UK sovereignty.

    Think has now fallen back on the Argentinean high school argument that as the UN recognises there is a sovereignty dispute then there is no UK sovereignty. That is clearly not true as even the UK accepts there is a sovereignty dispute. The recognition of a dispute does not give anymore credence to Argentina's claim. It is merely recognition of a dispute and nothing more.

    You and Think believe that by going around in circles you can hide the fact that you have no proof of your claims whereby mine is in the pudding. The Falkland Islands exists as part of the UK. They are a British Overseas Territory. Argentina does not exercise any sovereignty or control over these islands. Just as Belize and Guyana do not lack sovereignty over parts of their territory under dispute by a neighbour.

    No one can exercise power over the Falkland Islands without the United Kingdom's permission and that is why sovereignty rests with the UK.

    Argue all you want but it is 2016 and no one has proven your point yet.

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @39 Mc Dimbo
    Actually most countries (like the US and also UN) recognise the British as having “De-Facto” sovereignty over the territory, as the “administering power”.

    Back to school with you!

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    When Argyland formally drops its claim to our Islands it follows that even North Korea, Iran, ISIS etc will have another look at things....ok maybe not North Korea.

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    ...and yet no one can provide any official support of the UK claim to sovereignty...
    Name the countries that support the UK claim....

    btw the US recognises de facto administration....the have never recognised sovereignty in any form...

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (47) Mr. Voice
    Juppppppppppppppppp......
    A De Facto Administration is what the Yanks call it alright....
    In contraposition to a De Jure Administration that would be posher....
    But still a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar cry from a De Jure Sovereignity...

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    Canada

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    34
    Poor old Think. Why would I accept a bet with such different stakes? I made you the offer: 10 quid or 200 of them Argy ARSes is my stake if I lose; I'll even send Scotch quids to you in Dunoon. If you lose I'd be happy to let you off the hook slightly by asking that you simply place an advert in Lisa's weekly that says: Think was wrong and Jo Bloggs was correct. That should cost you less than 10 British, Kelper or Scotch quids I reckon.

    Take it or leave it but we all know the next flight addition ain't going anywhere near Rio Gellegos. Closer to Rio de Janeiro I reckon.

    Actually I just checked Xe.com again and the ARS has rallied. Only 199.60 ARses to 10 quid now.

    Chuckle chuckle.

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    49
    Show me....

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (51)
    ;-)))

    Sep 15th, 2016 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    And all the Commonwealth Nations...
    'The Commonwealth Parliamentary Association during its conference in Johannesburg, South Africa, accepted a motion recognising the Falkland Islands Referendum as a free and fair expression of the Falkland Islanders wishes and their right to Self-Determination...

    Ergo they recognise their wish to remain a BOT, ergo they recognise a BOT, ergo they recognise the UK's as asserting sovereignty over the BOT's otherwise they would not be a BOT's . Circular argument.

    Now please provide the relevant and accepted international law,definitions and or resolutions that :

    A) Treats territories under dispute as having no accepted sovereign state or suspended sovereignty

    B) The UN definition of 'Administrators' in relation to the C24 use in the case of decolonisation

    C)Proof that all that is all UN members only accept the UK 'administer' the islands and have stated they do not assert sovereignty

    D)Provide proof that the Uk does not fulfill the criteria need by definition to assert sovereignty over the islands.

    @50 Voice is not a man of his word, he bet a £1000.00 scotch pounds that I was lying and that I was Skip's sock puppet. He even posted a picture on here of the money on his table as he was so sure. But when he was proved wrong.....

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    A...you have never provided any proof...
    B...to prove someone wrong one needs proof...it's in the word description...

    Canada and various Commonwealth have supported the right to Self determination only...
    Not one single mention of supporting the UK claim of Sovereignty..
    Now ....are you ever going to provide any facts or not....?
    Or is it more Ergo's...

    Regards...Arnold Schwarzenegger...
    It must be me...because I said so.....;-)))))))

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (53) James “close to be a turnip” Marshall....
    Lots of wrongly used ergos there...
    Whatever your architectural specialization is .... it's certainly not ergonomics...
    Chuckle chuckle...

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @54

    Very peculiar Argentine idea of sovereignity, as if there's a Sovereignity Office somewhere, that gives you a certificate after taking a vote.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    760 United Nations Plaza

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Way things are going, won't be long before Argyland fully recognises UK sovereignty over them beautiful and resource rich Falkland Islands.

    ;-)

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @57

    I'm trying to find the site for the Sovereignity Office, but no luck so far. Have you got a link perhaps where I can see Argentina's Sovereignity Certificate?

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Try harder...
    Your Mom does not work here...

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    59
    I have found the link to the British Sovereignty Claims method if that will do...?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    One of my favourites :-)))

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @61

    No thanks. That's just another attempt at distraction. And why, incidentally, are you answering for Think? Very helpful and public-spirited of you, I'm sure, but it's not helping us get to the bottom of this rather perplexing business of the missing Sovereignity Certificate.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (63) Hans Niesund ( Turnip on all things Argentinean only)

    Let me check them rules...:
    ”Rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on blah, blah, blah...), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour will not be tolerated (unless, of course, they are directed to some bloody Argie or suspected Argie lover) etc, etc, etc..”

    Nope...
    No rule against posters answering for other posters...
    Very helpful and public-spirited of Mr. Voice, indeed...
    One can feel a bit alone on those immense Anglo Turnip Fields at times...

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Would you like a fish to go with all those chips?

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @64

    Very helpful and public-spirited of you, I'm sure, but why are you answering on behalf of Mr Voice, now?

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    63
    I'm a helpful kinda guy....
    From past experience I'm sure Mr. Think doesn't mind, also it's nice to have a bit of support now and then...

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @67

    So I see. You're of one mind, the two of you. On that score, anyway. Who'da Thunk it?

    But never mind. Back to the topic. Anybody found a link for the Sovereignity Office, yet? Or I have got the name right? Is it the International Land Registry instead, maybe? Per Ardua Ad Cadastra?

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @66 HansNiesund
    The kind of puppet not operated by strings, perhaps.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Yaaawn… no certificate is required. Nearly 200 years of occupation and throwing out unwelcome invaders says it all.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yippee Ki Yay Mother ......

    Davis Cup...:

    Scotland 0
    Argentina 1

    :-)))

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    The Davis cup is Britain v Argentina in this round. Murray was beaten by a better player on the day. The contest is not yet over.

    You do read Toby the Trolls posts and apply the same criteria or do you ?. Look at your own posts complete with veiled insults.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yippee Ki Yay Mother ......

    Davis Cup...:
    Alba -Suid Afrika 0
    Argentina 2

    :-)))

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    @54 The many Voices of a Personality disorder & @55 The list maker...

    'Now ....are you ever going to provide any facts or not....?' Says the man who hasn't provided one fact to back up his statement and completely ignores any requests for proof.

    Looks like you lads finally understand the need to provide facts when you make unfounded statements regarding sovereignty, otherwise it is just your opinion, nothing more.....

    Well done for getting something right.

    Now answer the questions in @53

    Chuckle Chuckle

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (74) James “closer to be a turnip” Marshall....

    Is not a list.... it is “the lizt”
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhY-Y0I8DkY

    Looks like you laddie finally understood the need to chuckle...
    Well done for getting something right....
    Chuckle, chuckle...

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    ...and still not one link, not one official statement from a country supporting the UK's Sovereignty claim...
    Can't you provide at least one...?
    Know when you are beaten...
    ...because you are...;-)))))))

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @76

    What UK sovereignity claim is that? Where has it been lodged? By whom? I guess this must be the Sovereignity Office again? Have you got a link for this body yet?

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    This Sovereignty claim...
    “FCO spokesperson said that Britain has no doubt about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and surrounding maritime areas, nor about the Falkland Islanders' right to decide their own future”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/04/10/uk-has-no-doubt-about-sovereignty-over-the-falklands-and-islanders-right-to-decide-their-future

    Try the FCO...they seem to know all about it....

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @78

    That's not a “claim”. You don't “claim” something you already hold.

    Malvinistas like to give the impression that there are two competing “claims” to the sovereignity of Falkland Islands, but in fact there aren't. What there is, is an Argentine attempt to overturn 2 centuries of British sovereignity. It's debatable whether even this constitutes a “claim” since Argentina declines to pursue the “claim” through the only channels that could possibly resolve it. “Grievance” would be a more appropriate term.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jo Bloggs

    Using poor old Think's logic, if Chile claimed Argentina then Argentina would not have sovereignty.

    Anyway back to one of the topics of this news story. The next new flight between the Falklands and mainland South America will be a direct flight between Brazil and the Falkland Islands. Anyone care to bet me wrong? Think doesn't, so that wipes out multiple Malvinistas personas on MP but perhaps someone else would care to take the bet.

    10 quid (or 200 ARSes) if I lose and I'll send it to you in cash in either currency. Or if Nostrils wants to accept the bet I'll send it in CAD. If I win, the loser just has to place a notice in the Penguin News saying [insert your name here] was wrong and Jo Bloggs was correct.

    Chuckle chuckle

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    79
    “You don't “claim” something you already hold. ”

    That's a bold claim to make....
    Are you claiming that you fully understand the meaning of the word Claim...?
    I'm claiming that you don't...

    claim/kleɪm/
    verb
    state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
    formally request or demand; say that one owns or has earned (something).
    cause the loss of (someone's life).
    noun
    an assertion that something is true.
    a demand or request for something considered one's due.

    ps...
    2 Years...
    2 Decades....
    2 Centuries...
    ...Theft is theft....

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    @76...
    ...and still not one link, not one official statement from a country supporting the UK's Sovereignty claim...

    You still don't get that @53 was written in the same vein as your statements (trying to pass your opinion off as facts and proof). And you and Think, by pointing it out you have undermined and shot your own 'Sovereignty' argument down in flames. Well done.

    As for me providing proof of a 'Claim', that is impossible as Hans said, the UK have never made a claim to the sovereignty in the UN as they already assert sovereignty. So why would any country support a 'Claim' that that has never been lodged. Would you like to move the goal posts now...

    When you provide the facts and proof of your claims, I will provide facts about mine, your post preceded mine so you answer first. Waiting!

    'Know when you are beaten...
    ...because you are...;-)))))))'...

    That is amusing, deflecting from the fact you can't answer any of the questions I ask or provide proof that your opinions are based on fact.....asking me to provide proof, when you ignore the exact same request from earlier posts....undermine your own argument because you were too focused on the 'Ergo's' and you didn't even realise. Asking the wrong questions, 'Claim' indeed.

    Hey, Arnold, I am so far out of your league, we ain't even playing the same game.

    Are you ever going to provide the proof and answer the questions........

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    I do get.... that you are not providing any proof of your claim that Canada supports UK Sovereignty....
    Or proof of any country that supports UK Sovereignty...

    Admit that you can't....
    It won't hurt....
                                  ;-)))))))))

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #73
    Yes Argentina are doing rather well. You deserve something to brighten your benighted life after getting stuffed at the Olympics.
    As you are enjoying crowing, allow me a little discrete crowing also.
    What was the medal table again ?
    UK 23 GOLD 27 SILVER 17 BRONZE Total 67
    ARG. 3 “ 1 ” 0 ” Total 4
    and Scotland's share of the medals
    4 GOLD 12 SILVER 2 BRONZE Total 18

    Alba -Suid Afrika 0 What the f### does that mean ?

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Don't forget the 2016 Paralympics in Brazil
    G S B Total
    58 33 35 126 =Great Britain

    1 1 2 4 =Argentina

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeeee they know how to play tennis them Alban bros....

    Davis Cup...:

    Alba -Suid Afrika 1
    Argentina 2

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • James Marshall

    @83..And I get that you are not providing any proof of your claim that not one country in the UN supports British sovereignty only 'administration' or answering any the questions posed to you....admit it you can't.

    I have already told you that @53 was written in the same vein as your and Thinks earlier posts, just conjecture and opinion, which you clearly pointed out, thus rendering your own statement about UK sovereignty void as it contained no proof or facts.
    So looks like we are at a stalemate, hey Voice. You and Think won't answer the questions or provide proof, so why should I, what gives you the right to make up facts without providing proof , but the rest can't.

    '2 Years...
    2 Decades....
    2 Centuries...
    ...Theft is theft.'
    1982 was only 3 decades ago, or are you talking about Patagonia....

    but if it is the Island's

    2.5 Centuries....

    Ahh what a difference a few years makes....So off whom did GB steal West Falkland . History of the Islands in more than 200 years Voice, we know it's not convenient as the truth gets in the way for you. But hey ho, such is life....

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @81 Nipper

    So we have three meanings for the verb “claim”:

    1. state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
    2. formally request or demand; say that one owns or has earned (something).
    3. cause the loss of (someone's life).

    In the case of Argentina's “claim” to the Falklands, I think we can say that 1 an 3 appear appropriate, whereas 2 is clearly inappropriate since Argentina has never lodged a claim with any competent body. What Malvinismo tries to do is pass meaning 1 off as if it was meaning 2, just one of the many semantic distortions on which Malvinismo depends (see also “dialogue”, “negotiation”, “usurpation” and “recovery” which in Malvinaspeak all have the opposite of their normal meanings).

    “ps...
    2 Years...
    2 Decades....
    2 Centuries...
    ...Theft is theft....”

    There goes the American continent, then. (Unless of course you've bought into the notion of the indigenous Italo-Iberian tribes therefrom)

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    87 James Marshall
    Voice and Think are one same as it is all part of one of the many devices he uses to engage in dishonesty. Her was my last post to him on this very issue.
    Post #18 17 Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer, and imitator extraordinaire
    “Are you casting aspersions without any proof whatsoever.”
    “Firstly, I'm carrying on a long established practice based on my empirical knowledge in which I have posted to you under the above title. Secondly, with your acquiescence, with little or no protest, latest title being 'Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer, and imitator extraordinaire.' Prior to that it was simply 'Voice, Vestige, Think'. Step up take bow, you work very hard at your subterfuge. But, I can see what a breeze it must be for one practised in viveza criolla.”
    http://en.mercopress.com/2016/09/16/uk-overseas-territories-marine-protection-areas-to-double-in-four-years

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeee..........

    Davis Cup...:

    Alba -Suid Afrika 2
    Argentina 2

    Fuerza Delpo...

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    91 Chip.
    Seems Delpo has cried off.
    Some German bloke has taken his place.

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeee..........

    Davis Cup...:

    Alba -Suid Afrika - England.........
    Argentina.........................................

    Fuerza Yacaré...

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Hahahaha, one win at tennis and our usually suicidal Chip sounds almost chipper.

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yippee Ki Yay Mother ......

    Davis Cup Final Result :

    Alba -Suid Afrika - England......: 2
    Argentina.....................................: 3

    Thanks to all the players from Scotland, South Africa, England and Argentina for some magnificent tennis...
    El Think

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    And Germany.

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    http://webtv.un.org/watch/argentina-president-addresses-general-debate-71st-session/5133549177001

    Sep 20th, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “The Argentine leader said he greeted Mrs May and told her that ”he is ready to start an open a dialogue that includes, of course, the issue of the sovereignty of the Malvinas.“ The islands are referred to as the Malvinas in Argentina.

    Mr Macri told reporters the British PM responded with a ”yes, that we should start to talk.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/21/argentine-president-mentions-falklands-in-brief-chat-with-theres/

    Sep 21st, 2016 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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