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Almost every agency in the US government’s is collaborating with its Argentine counterpart

Friday, September 16th 2016 - 10:02 UTC
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By Noah Mamet (*) - The very close relations between US and Argentina are exposed in this article to celebrate the 140th anniversary of The Buenos Aires Herald Read full article

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  • gordo1

    Does the author of this piece speak Spanish( or the Argentine version of Spanish) yet?

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Noah you dumbass.

    Did the Herald resist the tyranny of the Perronists and Kirchners?

    No.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    @2

    You have a strange definition of tyranny.

    Go ask the Venezuelans, Azerbaijanis, Cubans, Saudis, Syrians, North Koreans if they would call CFK a “tyranny”.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Noah is indeed a dumbass, as was previously observed. But the appointment of a mendacious idiot as ambassador to Argentina reflects the low regard that the US has for this country.

    Sep 16th, 2016 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    Fortunately it is not as if anyone in Argentina paid attention of even realized it, if the USA sinks in the ocean tomorrow, one of the few countries where you would see almost no effects from it is Argentina. No major military bases unlike many countries in Europe and Asia, no multibillion defense agreements unlike many nations in Middle East or Southeast Asia, no complete dependence on US music, film, tv, like many nations in Latin America, Northern Europe, Oceania, North America. Compared to almost all other countries, life would be basically undisrupted. So it is a good ambassador given the level of work he has here.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Think, you too are a dumbass.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    @5 Kepi Troll: “...almost no effects from it is Argentina....”

    This is of course one of the favourite Peronist wet dreams. That the outside world could collapse and Argentina would go merrily along as if nothing had happened.

    Remember when US Federal Judge Griesa held that Argentina was actually obliged to pay its debts? The effects of that US influence on Argentina cost this little backwater banana republic billions of dollars and negatively affected Argentina's economy in very substantial ways for many years. “....almost no effect.....” my arse.

    It's US dollars that allow the Argentine economy to operate. Take away the stabilising effect of the dollar and Argentina immediately enters another monetary crisis and falls to pieces. Again. Even at the height of anti-US sentiment here, the dollar makes Argentina possible. Argentina needs US technology, goods, and services to the tune of more than 22 billion dollars a year to keep from looking and performing like Bolivia. Argentina relies heavily on imports from the US aircraft industry. Argentina needs more than US$2 billion worth of just US machinery each year to keep its antiquated industries from total implosion. Without US agricultural technology, Argentina's agro export industry would nearly perish along with its hope for the hard currency that Argentina needs to buy that US$8 billion a year in imported energy. Industria Argentina has shown itself incapable of providing adequate medical technology and so some 70 percent of this country's high-tech medical appliances, diagnostic equipment, etc., are imported, with over US$100 million a year from the US. And on and on. Without the US information technology imports, Argentina goes back to writing on mud tablets. Even the Toyotas that the Argies assemble include parts from the US.

    Argentina not affected by the US....chuckle chuckle. ...

    Dream on, Peronismo.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    @7

    You are not very smart aren't you?

    “Compared to almost all other countries”. If Argentina would suffer from the US disappearing, everyone else would suffer MUCH WORSE, including your completely US dependent Chile.

    And almost all the things you mentioned can be gotten from other countries, so wrong again. The dollar? If the dollar vanished tomorrow, people just go to the Euro, or some other currency. Just because the dollar dominates the economy does not mean if it disappeared it is irreplaceable.

    So actually your post is completely wrong from top to bottom, a rear feat since at least most posts have some part right usually. You got a perfect score, too bad it's not on the plus side.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Beans are down by a third, thinkerbell.

    This is the single biggest factor effecting day to day life for rg.

    Do you suspect that this might have something to do with external affairs?

    Dumbass, think.

    Rg is totally dependent on externals.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    Not really, Argentina has been more independent of externals than any nation on Earth bigger than Gaza Strip. I know it is pain to the ears of the haters here, but it is true.

    If Argentina is totally dependent, then whatever your country happens to be, is FAR more dependent. Cut off your country from world trade, credit, and defense, and it would probably collapse withing 96 hours.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    It ain't going to happen so why waste time arguing.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Tinkerbell, rg produces nothing that America requires.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    KepiTroll and the perennial populist head-in-sand Peronist fantasy, “vivir con lo nuestro.”

    Argentina's monetary stability is based on the dollar. In the fantasy scenario, the disappearance of the US also turns 50 billion cash dollars in Argentine mattresses into funny looking but meaningless paper, because that paper is now meaningless. Likewise with the US$230 billion or so the argies' foreign accounts. Even a peronista could be made to understand the impact of such a disappearance of a country's holdings. It gets worse: the Central Bank suddenly has no way to pay its considerable foreign obligations and enormous AR thirst for imports, neither of which can be made to disappear in this fantasy [recall that the silly peronist “import substitution” didn't work out as planned]. And on just the disappearance of the stabilising US dollar, Argentina is sent back to the Dirt Age, bartering beans and hides for shiny objects.

    Now consider an operation like Aerolineas. Three quarters of their planes are US Boeings, which are unsupportable by Argentina. Under the La Cámpora era of mismanagement of Aerolineas, the reserve of critical spares dropped to less than 30 days' worth. Sorry, Kepi Troll, but those critical spares cannot be produced in Argentina, whose reverse-engineering capacity is still challenged by the manufacture of metal spoons. No US dollars, no US spares, and Aerolineas starts going offline in fewer than 60 days and within a year those 737s are nothing but hanger queens. Can they be “eventually” replaced by Aeroflot? Sure, but at the cost of many billions of dollars that , well, Argentina now doesn't have any dollars. Multiply the Aerolineas breakdown by similar impacts on other Argentine sectors and Argentina is once again toast, because the cost of replacement and substitution is in the trillions and far outside of Argentina's capacities.

    The Peronist fantasy is very popular here, but it's still nothing but fantasy.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CapiTrollism_is_back!!

    @13

    And after all that you are still missing the point that in this scenario Argentina would be one of the least affected... You are forgetting that there another 200+ nations, and all those would be worse off than Argentina under such a situation. I mean Chile would basically cease to exist within a few minutes of the event.

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    We were not discussing Chile, Kepi Troll, nor 200 other countries, but only the standard Peronist myth that you presented:

    “....if the USA sinks in the ocean tomorrow, one of the few countries where you would see almost no effects from it is Argentina.”

    Which is of course demonstrably false. The debilitating effects would be enormous and the characteristic looting almost immediate.

    But wallow in your Peronist mythologies if you must.

    The set of nationalist/populist attitudes and arrogance that grow out of this “vivir con lo nuestro” drive the significant impediments that keep serious foreign investment out of Argentina, partly because the domestic bumpkins think erroneously that they can manufacture their own spoons. This encourages protectionism and regulation that discourage such outside investment. Likewise prospective investors who understand this country are put off by the economic xenophobia and hostile environment that grow out of the mythical “vivir con lo nuestro.”

    Sep 17th, 2016 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #10
    You have just explained Argentina's failure as a country.

    Sep 18th, 2016 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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