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New York's attorney general ordered Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's charitable foundation to immediately stop fundraising in the state, warning that a failure to do so would be a continuing fraud. Read full article
I guess we all knew when he repeatedly threw the accusation of 'crooked' at Clinton he was projecting and distracting. He thinks he is above the law and that is a mistake for anyone to make.
Is this the nastiest U.S. election campaign?
Are we surprised at this revelation ? Eh, NO !
@2 No. He is a conman.
IT'S THE VOTE THAT MATTERS.
May the candidate:
#1: who lies convincingly with a straighter face and
#2: who takes the masses - the gullible ignorants - for a ride;
@4 Shouting again. Have you lost your hearing in your old age?
@5 There are a lot of gullible people falling for Trump's lies. He plays to their prejudices and tells them their hatred is justified. If a person is full of hatred and prejudice his words must be thrilling to them.
So that's who the 47% really are!
It's not just this vote that matters. Now every politician in America knows they can lie, contradict themselves constantly, and have no real policies, and still get nominated for President. Hardly a positive sign for the country.
@7 And cheat the system by not paying taxes, break the law by misusing charitable donations, ripping off hard-working family firms, have no moral compass, insult and threaten other candidates, insult the parents of war heroes, insult women, the disabled, ethnic minorities and be as thick as pigs dribble about foreign affairs.
What he is good at is lying and hoodwinking the gullible. It is how bullying bull-shitters get on in life. They have to be brazen; threatening to anyone challenging them and tell the gullible what they want to hear. He is unfit to be President of the U.S but jolly good as a conman.
The choice of candidates is poor but only one candidate is positively dangerous.
Assange claims he has the emails that will finish The Hill. Due out soon, just in time for VOTING!
I see the femi-nazi is starting with the abuse again, she just can't keep that big mouth shut, can she?
Do you not realize I couldn't give a toss about who gets to be the Pres? I am taking the piss and it seems to be working, doesn't it?
However, if Assange does come up with the goods The Hill is going to be bulldozed. :o)
I was trying to help you understand that writing in CAPS is shouting online and not at all polite. I completely understand you old folks have problems with modern communication and memory as someone else pointed this out to you. Forgotten already?
I aslo understand why a conman like Trump has you so easily fooled. Hanging all your hopes on another conman like Assange is pretty poor but understandable in the feeble-minded.
Ever thought of changing the record?
It's just the same old, same old.
@11 If you really don't care who is President then why not try to control your bladder and stop pissing over the threads about the election?
I was trying to help you understand that writing in CAPS is shouting online
Of course you were dear, of course you were. Not.
We all know what you were up to, same old, same old.
@13 Umm, you seem confused. If you really don't care who is President then why not try to control your bladder and stop pissing over the threads about the elections.
People want to discuss it without your senile ranting. Yes, CAPS is shouting online.
I agree. Poor America; one candidate who will just continue the status quo - which obviously isn't working, and the other one for whom the *best* case scenario is that he breaks all his campaign promises.
And how, in a country of 300m people, have they ended up with two candidates who both have a negative popularity rating?
If Assange does something that gets Trump elected, I will lose my last shred of respect for him.
If you must bicker constantly, can't you at least come up with some wittier insults? Or how about this: http://www.literarygenius.info/a1-shakespearean-insults-generator.htm
@15 It is an interesting point of discussion; why did we end up with Trump vs. Clinton? I think Clinton was inevitable because of the money/establishment behind her. Trump was a catalogue of mistakes, not least by the mainstream media that now hates him. They gave him oxygen for entertainment ratings. There were too many Republican candidates dividing the vote and, again, the media allowed Trump to bully each candidate to submission. Disgusting behaviour.
It truly is sad.
It is interesting. The Democratic nomination was Clinton vs Sanders, but why did Clinton become the establishment candidate? She was already quite widely hated back at the beginning, did the party think her experience and exposure made up for that and for the email scandal?
And for Trump, everything you have said is true, but there is also the big factor of how fed up people are of the usual politicians who don't seem to listen to their concerns. Part of his schtick is appearing honest and spontaneous when most politicians carefully vet what they say. And unlike most of the candidates who really have broadly similar economic policies, he's offering something that's actually different.
@17 To be honest the 'email scandal' is not such a scandal. Previous Secretaries of State had unsecured email correspondence and I think that is a huge part of the reason it went no further. That and she was cleared of any criminal activity. Stupid, maybe, but there is plenty of stupidity in D.C.
I don't really get the complaint about professional politicians. I want a professional in the most important jobs. Would you choose a professional dentist or one who talk a good talk but had no experience or qualifications?
Bernie Sanders was unelectable. He would never appeal to a wider catchment of voters but was good for throwing stones at the establishment and shaking things up; much like Corbyn. We need them around but they are never going to appeal to the masses.
Trump is a great conman and bare-faced liar. He tells people what they want to hear. Something that seems to have been forgotten - and amnesia is a constant affliction of politics - is that Obama took over an economy on the edge of a cliff. The one unsung achievement of his administration has been that he clawed it back from the brink. It isn't lauded because people are still feeling the effects of the world recession but it could have been a whole lot worse.
When people are stuck in a rut, not seeing progress and imagine everything is getting worse by the day (something Trump tells them repeatedly) they look for someone to blame. It is easy to pick on an 'other' to hang all the problems on and Trump gave them immigrants. So people have an outlet for their frustrations and a reason why they are not progressing; something that they can say is not their fault. In fact, it is a world recession we are all clawing back from but that it too complex and remote for most people. Trump in a snake-oil salesman with a captive audience. But he is also a dangerous liar.
I should add that much of Obama's administration has been a disappointment. But look at the system and you will see why.
You cannot say that the yanks don't have a sense of humour (I know it isn't spelt like that):
The best and brightest?
Where are they?
It's not in politics.
They're heading the multinationals or are aspiring to.
There's no center remaining in US politics and in a constitutional republic there's no opportunity to forge coalitions save for the grimmest situations.
Governing means exercising policy by imposition or obstruction.
Consensus building is dead.
The oligarchs are the new princes.
Who would want to go to Washington and waste their efforts for peanuts?
@20 It is true that the whole system has forgotten they are there to work for the majority. The Founding Fathers never predicted it would turn into a team game devoted to destroying the opposition.
I agree with most of what you said, but I think the difference between a dentist and a politician is that you don't much care if your dentist can understand you and your problems, but if a politician cannot understand and sympathise with the people they represent, can they really do a good job?
And yes, people are frustrated with the not-so-recovery, but it seems the problems with jobs and immigration have been brewing for a while, and Trump has just brought them to the surface. Of course Trump's 'solutions' are all impossible or nonsensical, but that doesn't mean the problems are not real.
The other question is what chronic said: there's no centre remaining. Surely the normal situation is to have a lot of people in the centre, so what happened to split everyone into two camps?
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/04/trump-s-campaign-on-the-defensive-in-several-fronts-tax-elusion-and-fundraising#comment451224: So, why are you Brits so anti Trump? And what does the presidency of the US have to do with you in any case!
@23 That is rather a ridiculous question. Whoever is the President of the U.S. affects the whole world. We may not have a vote but it will have an impact on our lives.
@22 Do you think politicians don't understand and empathise with people? Or are they beaten down by the system? Most politicians I have met start out with the right intentions but have to know how to play the system to get anything done. You need to be a professional politician to survive.
I think some of the problems Trump highlights are real but he does not have the answers. It is easy to throw stones but much harder to fix it. And that is what is worrying about him. He has a very limited knowledge, a huge ego and an uncontrollable temper. And let us not forget that the only person Trump will be working for is himself.
Two camps. That is an interesting point. I don' think it exists in such extremes in the U.K. We have the full spectrum of political views and a large number of centre voters that choose the best candidate. In the U.S. I think this team mentality runs through society. You are a winner or a loser and they take that into politics. Rather like sticking with a football team for life. Why? I don't exactly know but could it be rooted in a need for identity in such a large society?
why are you Brits so anti Trump?
Because we have had experience of his commercial dealings and promises in this country AND he would have his figure on the nuclear trigger. Not a happy thought for a person of his temperament.
He could drag us into confrontation with another unbalanced leader in Russia.
@25 The clash of the two biggest egos and sociopathic men on the planet. No one sane would want that.
Why the surprise? We are most probably anti Trump for the same reasons that *you* are anti Trump.
It's not that they can't understand and empathise with people, but that having an intellectual understanding of something is not the same as having lived it.
And most politicians are in general a lot richer, better educated, and rather more intelligent than the people they represent. They may well not know what it's like to be poor, or to live in a bad neighbourhood, or to have limited prospects. If they ever lost their job due to downsizing, they probably had little difficulty finding another one.
Of course this isn't always actually true - politicians can come from all backgrounds - and it's not always a problem. But if the main parties seem to be ignoring people's problems, it's easy to see them as out of touch elites.
Of course all this is as true of Trump as the other candidates, but he is better at convincing people otherwise.
And no, Trump does not have the answers, but other people were not even asking the questions.
I agree the UK is not so divided. I guess it could be due to a need for identity but why has it got so much worse recently? It does seem that with the internet there is a tendency for people to split off into groups of like minded people who reinforce their own ideas, but I don't see how this can be happening in real life.
I am not sure you have to have lived something to be able to understand how to solve the problem. (Another health analogy: A cancer doctor doesn't have to have had cancer to find a cure) What politicians need is the ability to understand the system and how they can effectively manage it for the good of society as a whole. The needs and wishes of the individual are disparate, finding the balance is the impossible task.
I also don't agree that the majority of politicians are so removed from society that they have never experienced hardship. They need to be able to understand poverty and the consequences but also business, how economies work, foreign affairs etc. They work for everyone not just one element of society.
I do agree that in the U.S. it is the candidate who raises the most money that seems to get elected and that could be changed overnight by limiting the amount that could be spent on campaigning.
Yes, social media has a lot to answer for in the deterioration of behaviour. There are few consequences for bad behaviour online and we can see that a lack of accountability for actions leads to pretty revolting and base behaviour. I think this, in turn, has crept offline. I also think there will become a point where people rebel against it. What people have found entertaining and revolutionary will become old. Personally, I am a great supporter of the positives of social media and the internet. The access to information and the way it has given a voice to the dispossessed is a positive. But legislation needs to catch up with the misuse and it will.
I also think 24 hour news entertainment channels play a part in the very negative campaigning and vision of our world. Once there were daily newspapers and three bulletins of news a day. Now people are bombarded all day with negativity and they have become cynical and skewed in their views of problems. The media used to report the news, now it makes the news. That manipulation is motivated purely by money.
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/04/trump-s-campaign-on-the-defensive-in-several-fronts-tax-elusion-and-fundraising#comment451354: So, you British are concerned that the US will drag you into confrontation with another unbalanced leader. Apparently you do not see the irony and hypocrisy of your concern. WWI, WWII, Viet Nam, ....
@29 No, not entirely. You are very literal aren't you? Or are you just shit stirring?
Just shit stirring. I thought America's entry in WW11 was something to do with Japan's attack on Pearl Harbour. As to Vietnam, the UK was involved in a clandestine manner.
A question to H.-----Do you think Trump is a safe pair of hands to be Commander - in - Chief of the US armed forces ?
What, not going to defend your fellow American Mr Trump from the mean Brits?
And do please explain how it was Britain's fault that Japan bombed Pearl harbour and communists took over Vietnam.
You are right that it is not necessary to have lived something in order to fix it. However, it requires an effort first to recognise that there is a problem, and second to gain sufficient understanding of it.
We do see examples of politicians dismissing people rather than trying to understand them, eg Gordon Brown's 'bigoted woman' or Romney's 48%. It's not always about hardship either, it could be any difference in lifestyle that causes misunderstandings.
Yes, limiting the campaign spending would surely be beneficial to democracy in the US, as would creating an independent body to redraw the electoral districts.
You could be right about the 24 news channels, nearly all the news is negative and most of the sources try to 'follow the pack' as they don't want to miss out on something the others have. Plus unfortunately the internet has undermined the funding model for the press, so now most news is just regurgitated from feeds or snatched from social media, rather than original investigation.
And yes, I think we can see right here how people act when they are anonymous and there are no consequences. I hope it is not spreading offline. I guess what I don't understand is how people avoid speaking with those who have opposing viewpoints in real life. It's true most people spend time with others who are similar to them, but not all their time surely?
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/04/trump-s-campaign-on-the-defensive-in-several-fronts-tax-elusion-and-fundraising#comment451427: And if you truly believe that you will be dragged into a confrontation by the US you know what you must do. But the real problem that you British have is that you lack the guts to do it.
@33 Crazy talk. Stop shit stirring.
What must we do? Stop supporting America in it's counterproductive and sometimes illegal wars? I agree.
But it wouldn't help if the US went to war with Russia; whether it goes nuclear or not the conflict would be fought in Europe which means we'd all be affected.
What you do or don't do in the absence of any witness, shows your real character. In D. T.'s case, he THOUGHT that there were no witnesses!
@37 The reference is the latest evidence of Trump's disgusting attitude towards women caught on a hot mic.
@36 It does show his true character and I am not in the slightest surprised. What I have heard about him this isn't the worst but it has members of the GOP scrambling to distance themselves from him.
Now we will see a man accused of rape Assange interfere more with the U.S. elections by slinging mud at Clinton from the Ecuadorian Embassy in order to get a sleaze ball like Trump elected. Do the voters ever question why Assange and the Russians are so keen to see Trump elected?
Ha, ha, Ana Navarro is nailing Trump:
Trump is a sociopath and nothing about his behaviour is surprising, it is true to form. What is astonishing is how many stupid people bought into his lies.
Trump is a POS. The sad thing is there are a lot of people who believe the same things but just don't say them out loud, and they will vote for him.
I really hope this will make some difference, to the people who are undecided if not to his hardcore supporters.
As for Assange, he claims to have info on Trump too but hasn't released it. Trouble is, we already know how bad Trump is, and people just don't care.
I wonder how the government of Ecuador feels about Trump being elected though. Will they come to regret giving Assange asylum?
@41 The sad thing is there are a lot of people who believe the same things Do you really think Trump believes it? I think he just looked for discontent to exploit for his own gain. This is all about him getting power for his own use.
I actually think it is a minority that truly support him (the terminally stupid), then there are the people that just hate Clinton, and the Republican Team voters. But this election will be decided by the 'undecided'.
Trump has insulted Mexicans and Muslims and recovered to an extent. This kind of abuse of women is harder to bounce back from. Not only are they 50% of the vote but he has put a lot of Republicanspoliticians in jeopardy. They have to condemn him or risk being punished by voters; male and female.
Trump is disgusting in every sense of the word. His objectification of women and sexist comments are pretty low but to admit sexual assault is beyond comprehension. How can he come back from that? Not to mention the way way he talks about his own daughter; no, please don't mention it as it is vomit inducing.
To understand why he behaves as he does it to understand the mind of a sociopath. And when you look at the people that support him, they are pretty much gutter-dwellers too.
His revolting attitude to women? Yeah, that's the real him. His racism/xenophobia? I think that is more calculated to appeal to the crowd, but I wouldn't be surprised to find he believes it to some extent.
And unfortunately I don't think his supporters are that small a minority. Everyone said he would never get the nomination, but he was way in the lead in most of the states.
I'm not convinced that he can't come back from this. He's said some pretty unpleasant things about women before and still has female supporters, and it's always hard for people to change their minds if it would mean admitting they were wrong.
It probably depends a lot on Clinton getting people out to vote for her; she's not the most inspiring candidate and I've heard some of the groups most opposed to Trump usually have poor turnout.
@43 'I don't think his supporters are that small a minority” Not small but a minority.
The debate tonight will, I think, be the decision-maker. If Clinton cannot land some punches when he is on the ropes like this, he may press on. And while it is close it is still stacked in Clintons favour at the moment.
The trick the Republicans seem to be missing is that is Pence dropped out forcing Trump to, almost any other Republican candidate would probably beat Clinton.
It is still the undecided middle ground that will determine the result and Trump is doing everything to repel them.
I hope you are right. After the Brexit result I no longer trust voters to have any common sense.
Why would Pence dropping out force Trump to? Couldn't he just find a new vice-president?
@45 I have no idea what the U.S. voters will do and, like you, have little faith in good sense prevailing, it is a question of who is the least hated. That said, Brexit was a very different set of circumstances.
If the chosen VP were to withdraw his support and the GOP elders turn the screws further it would be hard for Trump to remain the candidate - though he would hang on to the bitter end. I think a lot rides on tonight's debate and what else is going to come out over the next few days. Apparently we have not heard the worst yet.
I expect Trump to come out fighting and mud slinging. If he were intelligent at all he would do the opposite, make a real apology and treat Clinton with respect. Every derogative remark he makes towards her tonight will under-score his misogyny. If he drags up shit about Bill she will be well-rehearsed and Bill isn't running for President.
In many ways it would be better for the Democrats if Trump hangs on because almost any other Republican candidate would probably beat Clinton. Maybe Clinton will have that in mind before tonight's debate.
It hasn't been the 'slam-dunk' result that Hil expected and even her own 'allies' said (from THE HILL paper)
“But, I honestly don't think it moved the needle much in any direction.”?...Still, some in Clinton’s orbit suggested the second debate might have been a missed opportunity.
“But this was a time she could have completely put him away,” the ally said. “And I'm not sure tonight's performance did that. I think she was fine, more than fine, but he'll live to see another day.”
Still, the strategist added that Clinton's energy “just slacked off” toward the end.
All the above are direct quotes.
Hil will be 69 if she takes the Presidency and suffering from Parkinsons seizures (called freezes in the US) as we saw when they threw her in the paddy wagon. Some doctors have also stated that the sudden blow up in her size and facial puffiness and she wears adult diapers to cope with the results.
Shouldn't the woman be asking herself the obvious question: why do I need this and the pressure it brings?
@47 That you are dedicated Trump supporter is no surprise. You display all the nasty characteristics of a misogynist narcissist. Are you not condemning his treatment of and language about women? No? What about his racist comments about Mexicans and Muslims? Or the disabled? Or African Americans? No? Thought not.
”Shouldn't the woman be asking herself the obvious question: “why do I need this and the pressure it brings?” Haha! Only you would post such a pathetic question. Did you know Trump is older than Clinton? Why are you not questioning his fitness? Why can't a younger woman than Trump with all her experience cope with the job but an old man with no experience or ability by considered competent?
To be honest that sniffing problem he has and inability to focus on completing a sentence is worrying. He drifted into word salads that must be concerning to any but the most rabid of his supporters.
Trump lost in the polls following that second debate and a good thing too because anyone who threatens to jail his political opponent if he gets in power should never be President of a democracy.
On a positive note he did throw his running mate under the bus; we can only hope for a reciprocal move by Pence.
When did enforcing laws become a bad thing?
Dumbass 100 hour bat!
Put any and every criminal in jail or in a bracelet or deport - as appropriate.
Wall street inside traders.
Put law breakers in jail.
To suggest otherwise Elaine truly reveals what a liberal charlatan and dilatant that you are at the base of your black soul or absence thereof.
@49 I don't know why I am wasting time replying with someone as dumb as you. Try thinking it through and maybe asking a grown up for help.
Hillary Clinton is not guilty of anything just because Trump says she is. That is for the law to determine.
The President does not control the judicial. They are not his personal lawyers to be used for his revenge.
Any President of the United States threatening to lock up political opponents is not fit for office.
Is that clear enough for you? Imagine if Clinton had said that to Trump? Would you be wetting yourself with excitement then? This is bigger than Trump vs. Clinton.
@ 48 ElaineB
I will post to you what you have posted to me on more than one occasion: I didn't address my comments to anybody, especially YOU.
You are the epitome of a feminist who dismisses anything a male has to say irrespective of anything. And here you go again! You just cannot read anything and accept it for what it says and we know why, don't we?
If you get the chance to study psychology one thing comes out loud and clear:
thieves think everybody steals;
liars think everybody lies;
and you are a proven liar and obfuscator of the truth.
AND you are wrong, I am not a Trump supporter but I do detest the lying Clintons.
What I stated is true about anyone as seriously ill as Clinton: she must be off her head to pursue this but she cannot help herself - just like you.
Yes I know Trump is slightly older than her but what has that got to do with anything? Or are you going to tell me he is a 'piss-dribbling old man with a Zimmer frame like you insist on calling me without a shred of evidence because there is none. Why should there be, I am less than two months older than Trump?
You are a sad creature and will spiral downward towards serious depression if you do not change your attitude. Most people with serious depression end up killing themselves unless they seek professional help. It's your choice.
In the USA the attorney general is appointed by the president and serves at his pleasure.
Her indictment is thusly assured.
Federal judges are appointed by presidents.
Presidents appoint judges on the basis of judicial philosophy.
Now Elaine with amazing regularity you are demonstrating your ignorance on a wholesale basis.
Where do you think she would be prosecuted?
As an aside: If a jury was representative of the populous or electorate - a conviction is a fait accompli.
The FBI director has expressed his thoughts on her guilt.
When did enforcing laws become a bad thing?
When the enforcement of the law depends on who is in power.
When a presidential candidate threatens to jail someone who has not been charged with anything, let alone convicted.
When the leader of a country abuses the law to persecute their political opponents.
Think about the sort of countries where politicians are in jail on trumped up charges (hah!). You really want to be like them?
Would you vote for Trump if you were American?
This is a candidate who has no coherent policies, no regard whatsoever for the truth, no experience, he's happy to say anything, do anything, abuse anyone if it will get him votes.
He's such a great businessman that despite inheriting millions of dollars he's been bankrupt 4 times, and he cares so much for his country that he paid no tax whatsoever for 18 years.
And you hate Clinton.
Monkey, I believe in the rule of law.
If they can make a case against Trump or Clinton - so be it.
Glad to hear it. Apparently Trump does not, nor does he understand the US justice system.
And people complain about Obama overreaching his executive powers!
Monkey, Trump is inarticulate and his words evidence that he isn't a politician or bureaucrat.
That being stipulated to, few honest people believe that there isn't one justice for the elite and another for the masses.
And so far no one has demonstrated that they are more elite than the Clintons.
Monkey, get your other sock puppet out - the dumber and dumber show is always funny.
@55 Trump also claims to know all more about tax evasion than anyone but Buffet released a statement about his taxes today showing that once again Trump was lying.
It is sad that people believe everything that comes out of his mouth without fact checking. I fact check both of them and we can see who the liar is.
On a positive note, Trump is still behind in the polls. Not much changed last night.
chronic, do you mind explaining why you support Trump?
Monkey, anyone or anything other than Hillary - I know exactly what she is and it's not acceptable.
What if it was Obama vs Hilary? I know it's impossible, but who would you vote for?
Monkey, you aren't paying attention.
Put your other sock puppet on.
Demon Tree (whatever the post number is)
Would you vote for Trump if you were American?
Not a cat in hells chance.
And you hate Clinton
I don't recall using the word hate, I try never to do that it being the flip side of the coin called love. I should (and think I did) use the word 'detest', which I do.
The USA has fallen to a real nadir, even for them, it makes Corbyn look presidential.
Am I alone thinking that the changes to the format are a very backward step?
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/04/trump-s-campaign-on-the-defensive-in-several-fronts-tax-elusion-and-fundraising/comments#comment451166: That honor probably belongs to the contest between Andrew Jackson and John Qincy Adams in 1828.
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