MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Until Falkland Islanders so wish, “there can be no dialogue on sovereignty”
The United Kingdom has no doubt about the principal and the right of the Falkland Islanders to self determination as enshrined in both the UN charter and Article one of both UN covenants of Human Rights, said British representative Barrister Margaret Purdasy, at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell, that seems to cover it all. Next business.
Oct 04th, 2016 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Oct 04th, 2016 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0With pleasure.
Another source (Bloomberg), warning the UK they are out of their minds and in for a very humbling Pie Fest:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-10-04/u-k-brexit-ministers-see-global-britain-as-tactic-not-slogan
“heir argument is as follows: The U.K. already enjoys free trade with the EU; that will only change if its neighbors decide to impose tariffs and restrictions, which would damage their own economies. The Commission, in political self-preservation mode, wants to punish Britain to deter other countries from delaying ever-closer union; but British ministers are convinced their peers in other EU governments will take a more pragmatic approach to the negotiations. It’s an admirably bullish viewpoint, but it requires something of a willing suspension of disbelief, particularly given the unmistakable appetite of competing financial centers in Paris, Frankfurt, Luxembourg and elsewhere to take market share from the City of London.”
“Charles Grant, Director of the Centre for European Reform, is among not few who worry that the U.K. is overplaying a weak hand: 'On recent visits to Berlin, Brussels, Paris and other EU capitals, I have been struck by the largely united approach of the 27 to the Brexit negotiations...'”
“...being the originator of the English language and having clocks that are five hours ahead of those in New York rather than six in Paris may be creating a false sense of security.”
This article follows another one:
www.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-goverment-brexit-european-union-2016-9
“Whitehall, which is recruiting over 500 new civil servants to ease the task of negotiating Brexit, is worried that Britain's departure from the 28-nation bloc could be disastrous, according to the Times.”
Pictures speak louder than words, so let's recap Britain's situation in one image:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-10-04/u-k-brexit-ministers-see-global-britain-as-tactic-not-slogan
“I raise you 2+ Trillion.... cause we are Mighty Britain”.
(hahahahaha)
What's the EU got to do with it?
Oct 04th, 2016 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Oct 04th, 2016 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear Toby, where to start!
In reality there is little chance of any trade agreement, even before the Spanish start vetoing anything and everything they can.
Default is we go to WTO base rule of 3% tariffs both ways, we will do very well out of it, mostly at the expense of the French and Germans.
The German industrial and French agricultural interests are going to want to avoid that, if at all possible. So there is some hope of a deal given the power of these interest groups, but don’t hold your breath.
Much of the financial trading done in London, futures markets, short selling, HEDGE FUNDS ARGHHHHHHH, are considered immoral Anglo-Saxon economics in the EU.
The only reason they have not been tax/regulated out of existence already, is because the British have prevented it, once the British trigger article 50, they probably will be buy the time Britain leaves the EU.
Much financial trading that is done in the EU, will move out of Europe to London with the Brexit.
So, with the worst case actually working for us, it is difficult to see what the rEU has got to negotiate with.
Before you factor in the Spanish, the inherent disunity of the EU, and any other crisis that may come along, to add to the existing ones that they can’t even address never mind solve.
Few people her are thinking in terms of any “deal” with the rEU, surprising therefore that you think we should be.
Ah that old Malvinas myth is dead in the water.
Oct 04th, 2016 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People will soon be laughing at Argentina: https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions
And then her political friends will disappear one by one...
Nostrils is making hisself horse. I am British and nothing I have seen since the referendum has worried me one bit. Anyway whats it got to do with this article? We know our Falkland Islands South Georgia and the other islands are Britains. And, we know that the population of RGland are murdering squatters. QED!
Oct 04th, 2016 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Purdasy: “”Argentina has the world’s 25th largest economy....”
Oct 04th, 2016 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She was probably being charitable. Wait until the new INDEC numbers show how badly Argentina is performing now.
Even before the new set of corrected INDEC numbers were released, Harvard University worked on some of Kirchner's lies, which exaggerated per capita income by about 40 percent for 2014. The non-Kirchner numbers now put Argentina at about 78th place in terms of per-capita GDP, well below the global average, and consistent with the new calculations and observations of high levels of poverty here.
When Argentina,a bankrupt state,thinks it has a case for the ICJ it will take it thete.
Oct 04th, 2016 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until then we are all wasting our time discussing the matter,are we not?
M
@4
Oct 04th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where to start?
How about with the fact that not ONE SINGLE economist, and not one single publication, frome FT to Bloomberg, to WSJ to Economist to Spiegel, to IBD, to NYT to Le Figaro to you name it.... agrees with your hallucinatory machinations.
They all have said at best the UK can get a marginally better deal stemming from complete disarray in the EU camp (unlikely). At worst, the UK will be pilloried in the middle of Earth Square.
@7
You still rambling about the now completely discredited as total nonsense “Harvard University” study? Get a new whip.
To all.
Oct 04th, 2016 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Headline Daily Telegraph London Tuesday 4 October 2016
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/04/pound-dives-to-31-year-low-and-ftse-100-smashes-7000-as-brexit-w/
How will “CapiTrollism_is_back!!” now reposnd?
@9 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Oct 04th, 2016 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, as I keep pointing out to you, if a “marginally better deal” is all that’s on offer, assuming even that is not vetoed by the Spanish, then the no deal scenario works for us.
We will take it from there, more than happy.
You are the only one fixated that there has to be a deal, there doesn’t, simple.
If you knew anything about the EU, you would realise that getting the agreement of all 27 on an issue like this, is going to be next to impossible, for 101 different reasons.
As for being “pilloried in the middle of Earth Square”, we shall just have to take our chances with that, just like being overrun with Unicorns.
#7 Marti Llazo
Oct 04th, 2016 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an interesting character this Marti.
He claims he is making a living in Argentina, yet he is focused on bashing the country at every opportunity--even by posting totally off topic as above.
Marti works hard day and night at finding statistical information showing how bad Argentina is doing.
Marti's fixation looks pretty much like that of individuals suffering acute inferiority complexes who seek to alleviate their psychological hurt by finding something they perceive as “inferior,” which would in turn help them feel “superior.”
And while he spends sleepless nights searching for “proof” to validate his obsession, Argentina chugs along its way, indifferent to Marti and his petty, ridiculous attacks.
Sure, Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie!
Oct 04th, 2016 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like a massive load of attempted physcho babble transference from your tortured mind onto to Marti.
How long have you been carrying that burden, Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeekie?
@12
Oct 04th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pot kettle black, who is off topic now?
@ 10 gordo01
Oct 04th, 2016 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“IMF crowns UK world's fastest growing major economy, but hard Brexit fears push pound to 31-year low”
I always thought you were a “Remoaner”, being an ex-wanker in a European Bank virtually guarantees that doesn't it?
And this is the same IMF who, via the Frog under threat of jail, had to admit they got Brexit wrong.
You are in the same league as these headless chickens who claim such rubbish as 'the way things are going' so grow a pair or go and hide in a RCC until it's all over and you won't have to think about it.
12
Oct 04th, 2016 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Massot
Back on topic:
Enrique, I have noticed that, while commenting that all Argentine politicians must strictly adhere to the accepted national position concerning the Falklands or risk political suicide that you actually never argue or debate for the actually transfer of the Falklands to Argentina. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are not, at heart, a Malvinist.
My simple question to you is, this:
Do you believe that the current population (and ONLY the current population) of the Islands have the democratic right to determine their governance?
I suspect that you have simply been playing devil's advocate, and do not actually agree with the historical Argentine position.
Let's hear your reasoned perspective from afar.
Bad news, holidays abroad are more expensive. Good news shares are worth many thousands more and dividend income well up too. 'Think' I'll retire, but not to Dunoon…
Oct 04th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat,see post ,,8,this is a waste of time.
Oct 04th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have tepeatedly asked argentina to either go to the ICJ or explain why they are unwilling to do so.
Every picture tells a stoy,dont it........
M
Monkey, what could you possibly know of reason?
Oct 04th, 2016 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing.
Reekie is often hostile to those messengers bringing the bad news, as the British representative was suggesting an option for generating some good news.
Oct 04th, 2016 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I look forward to seeing how British businesses can harness the commercial opportunities in Argentina .....”
After all, it was British businesses (and British capital, and British technology, and British management, and British engineering, and British markets) that for a period of time made Argentina a moderate economic success.
“”“How about with the fact that not ONE SINGLE economist, and not one single publication, frome FT to Bloomberg, to WSJ to Economist to Spiegel, to IBD, to NYT to Le Figaro to you name it.... agrees with your hallucinatory machinations.”“”
Oct 04th, 2016 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That'd be the same lot who said Britain would never, ever, ever, vote for Brexit..... yes?
The weaker pound is doing wonders for my business as most of our customer base is outside of the EU, strong USD ditto.
its a global marketplace nowadays... anybody who starts setting high tariffs just shoots themselves in the foot... as more and more of the economy starts and runs in the micro-small arena.
Sure, the big corporations grab headlines, but, the world is changing - and the financial boffins cant keep up with reality some times... such as the 'whole' city of London 'knowing' that Brexit wouldn't happen.
Not a great foundation to base your “expertise” upon imo.
#9
Oct 04th, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop salivating like the cretan you are.
It's not Armageddon for Britain. It could be a bumpy ride BUT the EU are going to have a tough time. They sell us more than they buy from us and with the drop in Sterling, we will not be buying so much from them and that is just now....not when the break finally comes. Between then and now, Deutsche bank is in serious trouble, the Italians and Spanish are also. Catalonia is going ahead with it's separation referendum. East European countries are not happy with the way things are going.
I can remember tough times in the 1940's and early 1950's, we survived quite well then and can do so again. People are moaning that their foreign holidays are going to be very expensive. The answer is...don't go, stay at home and avoid the overcrowded beaches and avoid skin cancer. Simple !
Nostrils is making predictions again?! Always a flop, but enjoyable to watch him try.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, nice to see Fred back.
The weaker pound doing wonders for you all has also shurnk your economy by 20% and now you are under France and not that far from Italy, who will overtake you if the Euro strengthens moderately.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find it hillarious that when Argentina devalues the first thing out of your mouths is “you GDP on dollar terms will shrink”, not “your exports will do better”. When the UK devalues you totally and willfully overlook the former and stress the latter. Pathetic case of ANGLOS will be ANGLOS (hypocrites).
Your exports and your “businesses” (what business could people posting here have except exporting British hate and xenophobia), maybe doing 2-3% better but that is after your economy has shrunk by 1/5 in the world's market basket!
Great trade-off... hahahahaha.
24 Troll -= Where and When is UK Economy 20% down? Evidence please?
Oct 05th, 2016 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0After the Brexit Referendum - £ dropped and settles approx. 10% down - exports grew and economy grew with people spending and lots more trade particularly in the internal tourism sector - all added up and made UK in 2016 - fasten growth developed economy for 2016!
Now another 2.5% sterling drop while the pathetic financiers have kittens pretending they did not know it was going to happen! They will finish wetting their knickers in a few days and the £ maybe rise up to nearer
1.28-1.30 again.
What, Mr Enrique, no answer?
Oct 05th, 2016 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a refresher:
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/04/until-falkland-islanders-so-wish-there-can-be-no-dialogue-on-sovereignty#comment451220
I gave you respect and benefit of doubt. I suppose answering honestly would put you at odds with Evita K's public position, correct?
@24. You are funny! You refer to “British hate and xenophobia” and yet EVERY single one of your comments displays, one way or another, your own hate and xenophobia.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A realistic look at the last 40 or so years. Failing argieland, whipped into nationalistic fervour by a corrupt dictatorship, doesn't use that fervour to improve its lot. Instead it wastes its time and effort in “demonstrations” about a group of British islands that are, in comparative terms, of no benefit to argieland whatsoever. Those “demonstrations”, including the covert, sneaky, underhanded landings, have no effect. Except that the British Task Force of 1982 was not the first! Eventually, argieland made its fatal mistakes. It assumed that the announcement of the intended withdrawal of HMS Endurance meant that the UK didn't care about its territories in the South Atlantic. It thought that a surprise attack would place it in a commanding position at subsequent “negotiations”. Instead, the action only incensed the British government and people. There was never any doubt that Britain would win the conflict. Argies should feel grateful for British restraint. There is a story that Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher contemplated “dropping” a nuclear weapon on Buenos Aires. It is certainly the case that British submarines carrying Polaris missiles could have carried out such an action with impunity. Even without that, argieland didn't have such an effect on the Task Force that Buenos Aires etc couldn't have been bombarded by naval vessels. 34 years later, Britain holds out its hand. Just as, post 1945, it held out its hand to Germany and Italy. As argieland attempts to rejoin the international community, it fails to recognise that good fortune. It persists in its stupidity. It even allows, or possibly encourages, mental patients to spew their delusions publicly. What happens when Britain persuades its allies that everyone should abandon argieland?
“There can be no dialogue on sovereignty unless the Falkland Islanders themselves so wish and the Islanders through the 2013 referendum have sent a very clear message that they do not want a dialogue on sovereignty. The Government of Argentina should respect those wishes”.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0There we have it, Britain's position straight from the horses mouth.
Methinks that the 2013 referendum was a very smart move on the part of the Falkland Islanders because it also puts THEIR position on sovereignty beyond doubt. Argentina is, as usual, left without a leg to stand on.
@15 Andy Kapp
Oct 05th, 2016 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please explain what the IMF statement has to do with your puerile and nonsensical(as usual) comments. e.g. the RCC(whatever that means) and my acceptance of the democratic will of the people re Brexit.
You really are “clutching at straws”!
@ 29
Oct 05th, 2016 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK, if you need it spelling out for you, you are even more dimwitted than I thought.
You put a link up and then proceeded to leave it 'in the air', amounting to deception on your part.
I read the Telegraph until my subscription runs out because the paper, which used to be conservative and reasonably truthful, is now anything but that. I know what the article purported would happen.
Remoaners, like you, are one of the reasons the UK is in the trouble it is now, your adherence to the dreadful RCC (you are lying when you claim not to know what the abbreviations stand for) colours your view of reality as you continually demonstrate on here.
Further, your support for the article does not provide veracity for your statement “my acceptance of the democratic will of the people re Brexit.” in any way, shape or form.
Being an 'ex-European Banker' clarifies the situation perfectly.
“recognize there is a dispute of sovereignty of the Islands between Argentina and the United Kingdom”.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0But what these unbinding (i.e voluntary not compulsory resolutions) DO NOT state is that the UN believe the Islands are Argentine.
So there is a dispute. And there is a dispute about negotiations too. Argentina disputes that people that live on the Islands should be present during any talks (despite the fact they were pre-1982 (Frank's Report 1983)). The UK insists people from the Islands must be present.
So therefore, to remove the negotiation dispute, so that the sovereignty dispute can be take place , why don't Argentina call for a non-binding resolution that requests the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom, to negotiate what form any talks should take and who can be present ?
I'm guessing that would drag on for the next 100,000 years......
@24 Capi
Oct 05th, 2016 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your statement contains flaws that demonstrate a lack of understanding and rationality.
1) You say “I find it hillarious that when Argentina devalues the first thing out of your mouths..”
This is irrational, not all posters here hold the same view.
2) You state that it is hypocrisy to hold one view of the impact of currency devaluation in Argentina and another for devaluation in the UK.
You either don't understand “hypocrisy” or you don't understand the different economic scenarios of the two countries. Argentina and the UK are very different and the consequences of currency devaluation on each are different.
In Argentina the potential competitive advantage of devaluation is wiped out by very high inflation and the increase in input cost to manufacturing. In the UK inflation is very low and more than half (£125 Billion/year) of our exports are services. Service exporters see their inputs drop in relation to revenue. There are advantages to the UK through devaluation.
@32 MerryEnglander
Oct 05th, 2016 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Relatively complicated concepts such as “different situations” and therefore “different consequences” for the same action, represent shades of grey, Toby’s Black or White view the world simply doesn’t allow for.
Far too difficult, with the level of resolution and understanding available to him.
@30 Andy Kapp
Oct 05th, 2016 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you believe, as a confessed renegade Brit who fled these shores for a very questionable reason, you can question my statements? You idiot!
You are shameless!
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0#26 Kanye
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my, Kanye wants to know my “real” position on Malvinas and he suspects it may be different from CFK's!
Tell you what.
I will answer when you start calling people by their real name. You think you've been smart by calling Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner “Evita.”
Not at all--that's immature, disrespectful and shows more about you than it shows about your intended target.
Both women had their own merits--but they were not the same.
So start by giving people due respect--then we can debate.
@32
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-brits-ignoring-cost-brexit-devaluation-503551?utm_source=internal&utm_campaign=incontent&utm_medium=related3
Why is it that all publications, the ones Brits usually quote to call out other countries and their “policies” (WSJ, Economist, BLoomberg, FT, IBD, Newsweek, NYT, Spiegel, Figaro, etc), are also now ALL saying the BRITS are “overlooking” this, “ignoring” that, in “denial” of this, in “folly” of that.... “overplaying a weak hand”, “ignoring basic economic theories”, “in a bubble”, and the terminology can go on and on...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-are-brits-ignoring-cost-brexit-devaluation-503551?utm_source=internal&utm_campaign=incontent&utm_medium=related3
The world has not seen any nation in a state of such generalized detachment from the real world and the consequences of actions since the 1930s, I reckon and fear.
@37 Tobias
Oct 06th, 2016 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0We aren't ignoring it. What we are doing is not counting our chickens before they're laid.
No one knows what the future will hold. But there are several FACTS in the UK's favour that many of these commentators 'conveniently' overlook when trying to push their opinions (and that's all it is after all) on others.
1. The UK imports far more from the EU than we ever exported to it. So if the EU doesn't want to do business with the UK or imposes high tariffs, then the UK can look elsewhere in the world for its imports. Lets face it, there is NOTHING that the EU produces that can't be bought from other countries.
2. The EU is made up of 27 countries (excluding the UK). However there are more than 200 countries in the world, and none of them would turn down a chance to trade with the UK...not even your beloved Argentina.
3. Yes there will be some initial 'wobbling' of the financial markets...but that's because investors are gamblers, who speculate on what is going to happen. The UK population voting out of Europe was a surprise to them BECAUSE they gambled on the UK voting to stay in. These 'wobbles' will calm down when investors realise that there is big money to be made.
4. Trade will the UK will be easier than with the EU because the UK won't have the numerous stupid rules and red tape that the EU has imposed on countries trading with the block. For instance, Mercosur has been trying to develop a trade deal with the EU since 1999...and it still hasn't happened. Why? Because individual countries (France) have vetoed it because it would be against their (French) interests. Dealing with the UK alone would be easier all round.
All these 'commentators' are doing is trying to push their opinions on others and frighten people. Why? Because they believe in globalisation, big business, and they hate independence and democracy...because that would interfere with their 'vision' of how the world should be.
Does that explain it to you, Tobias?
36
Oct 06th, 2016 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Massot;
Don't forget that it was/is CFK herself who was using the iconic imagery of Evita to draw parallels between the wife of President Peron and the wife of President Kirchner.
Perhaps you feel CFK does not measure up to Evita?
Regardless, I am not looking to debate your position.
I understand that you respect Evita.
I understand that you respect CFK, also, but one has to wonder if you back CFK's position because she is only doing what is required of Argentine politicians, or if you truly believe the Falklands belong to Argentina?
I'm offering you an easy way out from your position of supporting someone who would deny a people their rights under the UN Charter.
#37
Oct 06th, 2016 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The world has not seen any nation in a state of such generalized detachment from the real world and the consequences of actions since the 1930s, I reckon and fear.”
So the UK is worse than N.Korea ? Even YOU cannot believe that !
@38
Oct 06th, 2016 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has turned down trade with the entire planet before, in fact more than once. We are still here. No biggie turning the UK or anyone else down.
And then why would the UK manufacturing and agriculture sectors vote to jump out of the frying pan and right into the gas flames? I think the UK politicians are severely underestimating, if not outright completely misreading, what has happened. The UK population voted for isolation, that is the bottom line. Get out of the EU, reject the Euro, stop the immigrants (not curb, STOP), reverse multiculturalism. Just because those have been the most talked about areas of immediate concern in regards the UK leaving, does not mean the other big elephant in the room, trade (free trade), is not there. And the same forces that want no immigration, no foreign influence in UK laws, and less cultural diversity within the UK will most certainly also be the ones in the front line against this much talked about “Global Britain” your conservatives seem to be in complete delusion about.
Again, the same forces conservatives tapped into (UKIP crowd et al) so conveniently to finally get their much longed Eurosceptic appetite sated for good (in other words for arrant political expediency), are the same ones that will completely torpedo any dreams and thoughts of trade deals all over the place. You can't have the anti-immigration, anti-foreign, polulists forces with anti-trade and proteccionism going along with it.
Just wait, the UK's trade deals will come nowhere to fruition because the population with burn the streets before they allow it.
@37 Capi
Oct 06th, 2016 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are being irrational again.
The publishers you list have many writers often with opposing opinions. Do you really think that they are ALL ”saying the BRITS are “overlooking” this, “ignoring” that, in “denial” of this, in “folly” of that.... “?
How do you arrive at such a conclusion?
Opinion in the press is divided as is public opinion. There are risks associated with us leaving the EU. We may end up better off or we may not. I think that we will, it might take a few years, but we will pull through. If I am wrong on that, I still won't have any regrets - there are more important things at stake than economic performance alone.
None of this changes the fact that there are some advantages to devaluation for the UK economy. I don't understand why you are so adverse to accepting that.
@41 you are getting all muddled. I don't think you clearly understand the issues around the referendum - this is forgivable, the pollsters got it wrong too.
The issue is the UK is not a successful country. Successful countries don't have the current social atmosphere prevalent in the UK.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is not ONE example in world history where a prosperous, thriving, trading, culturally dominant, optimistic country has a general sense of xenophobia, of fear of the outside and outsiders, of retreating from the world, of trying to find ways to assuage some bruised nationalism.
Ancient Egypt, Sumer, the Roman Empire, Tang Dynasty China, and many examples of nations in modern times (yes, perhaps including Argentina 100 years ago), had a direct correlation between prosperity and openness to the world, no fear of foreigners, welcoming to immigrants. When Egypt started going down, they blamed the outsiders, when Rome began declining they blamed the German Barbarians and the Africans in Rome, and the Christians... when Tang China began declining they massacred the Arab and Indian merchants in Canton, and in modern times you have many examples from Germany, to Russia, to in recent times more and more, the USA and UK.
You are no different. The overwhelming evidence is that when you have the general atmosphere you have in the UK today, it is a symptom of a country going backwards long term, even if the short term numbers (and who can trust them when LIBOR itself was rigged), claim otherwise.
@ 43 Capi
Oct 06th, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK's success or lack of it is irrelevant. My post at 32 to you merely pointed out the lack of understanding and rationality in your posts. You continue to demonstrate this by using sweeping, inaccurate generalisations in your posts.
I don't know where you derive your knowledge of the prevalent social atmosphere in the UK from, but it seems to be very distorted. Certainly there are social issues, certainly there are xenophobes, as there are everywhere, but on balance this is a safe, low crime, stable, prosperous nation.
Possibly you misinterpret the desire for more control of immigration with xenophobia. Easily done, but none the less incorrect.
@43
Oct 06th, 2016 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be the only person to deem “the UK is not a successful country.” Britain is NOT a nation that has a general sense of xenophobia, of fear of the outside and outsiders, of retreating from the world, of trying to find ways to assuage some bruised nationalism. Where on earth did you find this information.
Britain is retiring from the European Union NOT from Europe. Switzerland and Norway, for example, are not members of the EU but remain part of Europe. So your suppositions are utter nonsense,
Read what your own prime minister, a conservative, said in a speech not a day or two ago. About how the economic pie is distributed in the UK, about who took the brunt of the crisis in your country in 2009.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She, at least, is making this exact case. The economic hardships of a large population swath is what directly caused the vote, her words, not mine.
If half or more of the population perceives it is under economic hardship of some form, then no you are not a successful country under any math book.
And ultimately, and for the umpteenth time, things will not turn out as anyone there expects. Again free trade deals will not materialize because the same 52% that voted to leave the EU, and to stop immigrants (not curb, stop), will also be much against free trade deals which they will surely see as a threat to their jobs.
Second, the irony in part here is the UK thinks it will regain the sovereignty to label products and services as they please... WRONG! And how wrong you are.
If a Mendoza winery wants to send a wine to the UK, it has to put a label that complies with your country's labeling and food safety standards. If we don't do it, we can't sell it. That is a loss of sovereignty right there. And that must be done for any county we export too...
You think the UK is somehow immune to this? The EU is a far bigger market than you. North America is a much bigger market than you. China is and will become and even larger market than you. India ditto. Japan... heck even Mercosur slowly but surely will become a much bigger economy with Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay growing at faster rates and with bigger population. This means you want to export to Japan, India, NAFTA, EU, Russia, Mercosur, ASEAN, etc? All bigger markets than you, or bigger GDPs, or BOTH.
You will have to comply with every single lone and solitary requirement for you to export one gram of UK products to any of those places, or to provide any services. You have no say... So still no sovereignty.
British businesses invests in Argentina,
Oct 06th, 2016 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps as a future way of putting pressure on Argentina, who knows
UK today, it is a symptom of a country going backwards ,
and Argentina we presume is going forwards,
Does that mean we will meet in the middle, and pass each other waving hands,
As Britain disappears into history and Argentina becomes a world global power,
One has to come to the conclusion you are mad.
@47
Oct 06th, 2016 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just don't know how to read well. Re-read (or re-re-read, or re-re-re-re-reread??) my post. I said Brazil, Uruguay, and Paraguay... I have never shied away from saying Argentina done economically and will continue to go nowhere but down. Have said it for years.
So no, I said nowhere what you claim I said.
@46 Capi
Oct 06th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with Mrs May on the issue of income inequality. When we joined the EU we had the second best income equality in Europe today we have the worst. She clearly wants to make redressing the imbalance the centrepiece of her administration.
But don't take it out of context. A PM talks to their nation in terms that are relevant to the people of the nation. Compared to the global average, the UK has well above average income equality.
Your understanding of people's views on immigration and trade is very muddled. ..
”Again free trade deals will not materialize because the same 52% that voted to leave the EU, and to stop immigrants (not curb, stop), will also be much against free trade deals which they will surely see as a threat to their jobs. “
No one but a few xenophobes want to stop immigration. Again you should check where you get your information. What most Leavers want is to end the open door policy that we currently have for EU citizens. The open door policy was unsustainable.
On the whole, neither politicians nor the electorate in this country associate free-trade with loss of jobs, quite the contrary in fact. One of the pillars of the Leave campaign was that leaving the EU would permit us to pursue trade with the 93% of the world's population outside the EU.
”You will have to comply with every single lone and solitary requirement for you to export one gram of UK products to any of those places, or to provide any services”
We already do comply with the national standards in every country we export to. That won't change. Food labelling standards have nothing to do with sovereignty.
@46 KepiTroll: A loss of “sovereignty” comes from agreeing to food-safety labeling when engaging in foreign trade?
Oct 06th, 2016 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess then that the US has abandoned its sovereignty by allowing Chile's required food data labels on US products sold in Punta Arenas. Just as the rest of the world does.
Rather curious notions of “sovereignty” coming from the super-nationalist argies, where the term can be and is used for just about everything , including justification for unwillingness to pay its debts - even after it has signed a waiver of sovereign immunity. For an Argentine, one shamefully loses sovereignty by agreeing to wear clothing in public.
But then, this is Latin America.
And speaking of unwillingness to pay its debts, the argie government still hasn't paid all of the bondholders even after all that hoopla about taking out US$16 billion in soon to be worthless bonds earlier this year. And the debt just keeps rolling up: Argentina is now making a big deal out of selling euro-denominated debt. No doubt to pay off long-outstanding earlier debt.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...!
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has anybody read the comment (49) from that Turnip Mr. MerryEngländer...?
- He asks, so properly, our resident sef-appointed Argie Troll to...: “Not to take things out of context”...,
And then...
- He tells, very correctly, our resident sef-appointed Argie Troll that his...: “understanding of people's views on immigration and trade is very muddled.”
But...
He does start his post blaming the EU saying...: “When we joined the EU we had the second best income equality in Europe today we have the worst....”
As far as this humble Patagonian dweller can remember..., British income inequality has *ONE* clear surname on it...
And tha's ...: Thatcher...
And he even has the Chutzpah of telling us that another Tory lady called May wants now to revert basic Tory doctrine...!
What a Turnip...!
@51 Think
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't blaming the EU for the increase in income inequality. You have made that association. I meant it as a reference to a point in time. Substitute it for 1973 if you wish. Blame Thatcher if you wish.
I dislike the fact that income inequality has increased to such an extent in the country. I would like to see that reverted. I think we have been going in the wrong direction on this for many years, not just under Thatcher.
It is not me telling you that May wants to move away from basic Thatcherite doctrine it is her. I fail to see where my Chutzpah come is to it. If May wants to increase equality and wants (as she says) an increased roll for the state in achieving this, then I am delighted.
I have never voted Tory in my life.
“What a Turnip...!” ???
(52) Mr. MerryEnglander...
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely apologize to you..., Sir..., if I misinterpreted your comment...
I hope though, you can somehow understand that the syntax you chose for the paragraph in question, somehow facilitates such misinterpretation by an humble Patagonian for whom Engrish is but a fifth language...
Continue the good job..., lad
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia...
@53
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apology accepted.
I realise that my chosen time frame could be taken as an inference that the EU was somehow responsible for said increase in income inequality. Wasn't my intention.
Tiz nice to see such interest in Merry England from Mendoza and Chubut.
Carry on humble Patagon!
You mistake trolling for justice for Argentina with interest.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If everyone of the Argentine haters in this forum where Italian, I would unload the arsenal of information I have proving how typical EUian they are, in their thirst for conquest, blood, subjugation of others, colonialism, racists, etc. England or UK would not even factor.
Same with any other nationality. You hate on Argentina and insist you are genetically superior by virtue of passport, I will destroy you. SImple.
(54) Mr. MerryEnglander...
Oct 06th, 2016 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very civil of you...
The interest in good auld Merry England, from this forgotten corner of Chubut at least..., derives mostly from a vage general interest in word history & affairs... and from a particular and very focalized disconfort this humble Patagonian has with Merry Englands archaic colonial craving of some 12.000.000 square km of South Atlantic, South Pacific and Antarctic territories rightly claimed by the respective adjacent republics of Chile and Argentina...
56 Mr Think
Oct 06th, 2016 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is it “just and right” for Argentina to claim
the South Atlantic Islands and Antarctica, but not others?
Territorial Integrity?
We know where that argument ends up.
Perhaps it's just jealousy that Britain and others made their claims and moved to protect them, before Argentina even thought about it.
Tell us why belated Argentine claims should supersede earlier claims.
Supposed “Moral Superiority” that your Argentine ex-pat troll buddy Mr. Nostrils asserts?
Not even Mr Massot wants to stick his neck out on that little nugget.
@56 Think
Oct 06th, 2016 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is unfortunate (for you) that the UK's territory in the South Atlantic causes you discomfort. As I am sure you are aware, it is a situation that is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.
Do the claims of Norway or France cause you the same level of discomfort?
@55 CapiTroll
Oct 06th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, 'trolling for justice'.
You need to up your game; you start out with reasonable points but then veer off into crazy. The more you exaggerate the more people dismiss everything you say.
And you must spend a lot of time learning about places you have no interest in. Kind of sad really...
@38 LEPRecon
Surely UK imports from the EU aren't the issue? It is UK exports to the EU that are likely to suffer, and it will take time to make new trade agreements that would allow us to sell any more to other countries than we do now.
@49 MerryEnglander
I actually think Capi has a point that a lot of the people who voted for Brexit do not really want free trade, and would prefer no immigration at all. It seems like there were several groups who voted leave, and they definitely do not all share the same vision of what to do now.
48 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Oct 06th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 and 46,
I was replying to 43, but you posted 46 before I had replied to 43,
and you are still slightly mad.
you cant win every argument you know...
(58) Mr MerryEnglander
Oct 06th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do the claims of Norway or France cause me the same level of discomfort?” ... you ask...
Nope..., why should they?
AFAIK, those Countries claims do not superimpose nor overlap Chilean nor Argentinean territorial claims as the British does...
AFAIK, those Countries do not yearly extract some 600,000 tonnes (~U$ 600,000,000 value) of biomass from the South Atlantic, disrupting the ecology of the place, using as an excuse a residual Colonial Engrish squatter population of ~1400 souls on some windblown islands...
AFAIK, those Countries don't have military bases in the South Atlantic... nor tried to claim, usurp & commandeer half of Patagonia (including me humble cabin and all the territory south of it until the geographic Southpole ) as them Engrish did in their Letters Patent of 1908...
Hope that answers your question...
Yes it does, proves you are 'Thinking' wrong. We were in tbe SA before you. The land, fishing and natural resources are British. The last time you tried your sneaky little trick at thieving you got your arses handed to you on a plate. You can whinge and whine til the cows come home , go forth and cogitate.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Oct 06th, 2016 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas will again be Argentinean... when Hell freezes over*
*(Which will happen in a few weeks;-)
https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2016/01/hell-norway.jpg
@63 Maybe malvinas, whatever they are.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But certainly not the Falkland Islands.
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..... when Hell* freezes over....
Probably not* .
* http://postcardsandtravel.blogspot.com/2014/06/to-hell-and-back-cayman-islands.html
#55
Oct 06th, 2016 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I will destroy you. SImple.”
Really ? How do you intend to do that. Certainly not by any supposed debating skills.
#63
There are various Hells. Your Norwegian version freezes over every Winter and so far the Falklands remain British and will do so as far as anyone can see.
Are you using the Hepatia model of movable Winters. With global warming the chances are that your Hell will cease to freeze over. Or are you choosing your own personal Hell from a variety of candidates
I am sure that you know the idiomatic heterology refers to the abode of Lucifer in the fiery pit.
I must confess to a slight feeling of schadenfreude when you hold forth your impotent claims to British territory in the S.Atlantic, knowing that all you can do is to post your repetitive sarcastic missives in the hope of scoring points.
Meanwhile, in the real world, the Falklands go on their merry way without the interference of your putative colonial country.
CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Oct 07th, 2016 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re: Product labelling
This is not the problem you foresee. I have in my hands a bottle of Listerine mouthwash produced in Colombia and exported to Central America. The label has ALL the pertinent information required for the authorities in Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and Panamá.
If the exporters of Colombian products can do it I am pretty confident that British exporters will comply.
@61 Think...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0'AFAIK, those Countries don't have military bases in the South Atlantic... nor tried to claim, usurp & commandeer half of Patagonia (including me humble cabin and all the territory south of it until the geographic Southpole ) as them Engrish did in their Letters Patent of 1908...
Hmmm. ... They claimed Patagonia did they, well let's read the text of the letters of 1908 and 1917 shall we.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S003224740003792X
Interesting if you read the first paragraph of the 'Notes and Reviews'.
So there we have some factual info, which clearly contradicts your statement Think. All we need from you is the Text of the same 'Letters Patent' that proves what you said was correct.
(67) Mr. James Marshall
Oct 07th, 2016 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “First Paragraph” you refer to was added in 1948...!
To cover the Imperial cravings of Edward the Seventh, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas King..., Defender of the Faith..., Emperor of India..., who in 1908 signed the following...:
...“Whereas the group of islands known as South Georgia, the South Orkneys, the South Shetlands, and the Sandwich Islands, and the territory known as Graham's Land, situated in the South Atlantic Ocean to the south of the 50th parallel of south latitude, and lying between the 20th and the 80th degrees of west longitude, are part of our Dominions... etc, etc, etc...
***”50th parallel of south latitude, and lying between the 20th and the 80th degrees of west longitude, are part of our Dominions“***
That” Involuntary Geographical Gaffe” was corrected not sooner than in the Royal Pirate Letters Patent of 1917...
And here, this humble Patagonian dweller that was led to Think that them Engrish Pirates were great sailors and that the Admirality charts were the best!
the 50th parallel of south latitude, and lying between the 20th and the 80th degrees of west longitude, are part of our Dominions.
(68) Think....“Whereas the group of islands known as South Georgia, the South Orkneys, the South Shetlands, and the Sandwich Islands, and the territory known as Graham's Land, situated in the South Atlantic Ocean to the south of the 50th parallel of south latitude, and lying between the 20th and the 80th degrees of west longitude, are part of our Dominions... etc, etc, etc...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erm... unless Patagonia forms part of the 'Group of Islands' that are 'situated in the South Atlantic', I would say either you are deliberately misrepresenting/not comprehending the words (your standard modus operandi) or you don't know where Patagonia is. It seems very clear, that the 'Group of Islands' and 'Graham Land', clearly does not form part of the South American Continent. The 1917 Letters were to clear up any ambiguity that people like you obviously have in understanding what 'Islands' and 'South Atlantic' mean.
...'still less was any claim made to that part of South America which lies to the south of latitude 50° S' .... Not GB's fault if Argentina gets easily confused, it seems perfectly clear what was claimed in 1908.
So I will ask you again, to show in the text where they have stated a claim to any part of the South American Continent.
@69
Oct 07th, 2016 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you mad?
The British claim, and have claimed, every single piece of land on this planet. They still threaten Argentina to this day with maneuvers like trying and renaming the southern Atlantic up to the 30th parallel “the Southern Ocean” (to steal Argentiana's EEZ and actual coastal water territory), because it would technically be a different ocean and Argentina would be accused by the UK of cross-oceanic colonialism (of course, ignoring their own). Or secret attempts to provoke a conflict to get a hold of a piece of land south of Mar del Plata and then try to pull a Gibraltar there. Or the attempted British efforts in the late 19th century to annex Patagonia directly or cause revolt in the native indians to support them in an independence movement to create their own nation (which would later be annexed easily into the Empire). Or the 1945 attempt alongside France to steal the Parana and Uruguay rivers from our sovereignty. Or the not one but two attempts at taking Buenos Aires, AGAINST THE LOCALS SELF-DETERMINATION that clearly showed they had no desire to being English subjects, in 1806 and 1807, where you killed scores of civilians who were only defending themselves from your cowardly aggression.
Shall I continue?
Argentina is the one nation in the Americas that has a right to disdain and reject the British.
Geeee... Mr. Marshall... You are boring me...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British Empire was build on “Ambiguities” like these...
They were your cornerstones... Your Modus Operandi, laddie...
What!!!... No flag???.... No Country!!!....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k
This particular little South Atlantic Brutish Colonial “Ambiguity” seems to have deserved not one but two corrections.... One in 1917 and then again in 1948....
And it got them the Falkland Islands.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While Argentina missed out.
For the time being, me dear Ozzie GLBTV.... For the time being...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once the Antarctic Treaty expires, Argenzuela will be unceremoniously booted from its squats in the British Antarctic territories, western Chubut will be returned to the Mapuche, while China will likely already own a substantial part of the rest of Argentina, which will anyway be bankrupt, in default again, and sold off for scrap.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Oct 07th, 2016 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Skip finally admits what was obvious to everyone else but himself all this years.
He objects and condems all forms of colonialism, unless it happens to be by the British.
(and other Anglos).
(71) Think...I guess it must get boring being corrected all the time eh...
Oct 07th, 2016 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So let us recap. there isn't anything in the text in the 'Letters Patent' to back up your opinion. Just your confusion as to whether Patagonia is an Island in the South Atlantic! I can see how you and the other Argentinians can get confused, after all aren't the Falklands an enclave......
Corrections! that would assume a mistake was made, I do not see any mistake, just further Letters clarifying what was already stated, but in more detail for the Brassica rapa's such as you.
'Your Modus Operandi, laddie...
What!!!... No flag???.... No Country!!!....What was the Patagonian flag before the 1860's......Or South America....but it was only the British wasn't it...
You'll die while they're British, Think!
Oct 07th, 2016 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100% guaranteed.
And as per usual Nostrils is showing his ill-education and inability to form even the most basic coherent argument.
#70
Oct 07th, 2016 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As opposed to Argentina's heroic aggression against an unarmed tiny peaceful people in the Falklands.
“The British claim, and have claimed, every single piece of land on this planet”
OK, show me where Britain has claimed Norway, Sweden, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania,Estonia, Denmark, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, France, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Greece, Turkey. Albania, Russia, Tibet, Roumania, Bulgaria, Georgia, Japan, Korea, Laos Cambodia, Vietnam, Philippines
Algeria, Morocco, Mauretania, Senegal,Guinea-Bissau,Guinea,Cote d'Ivoire,
Burkina Faso, Togo, Benin, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo, Angola,Mali,Mozambique, Ethiopia,Somali, Djibouti, Niger, Chad and Mali
Mexico, Venezuela,Ecuador, Colombia Peru, Chile and Brazil.
For the sake of brevity, I have omitted the Pacific islands-some of which we administered at the behest of their peoples.
As YOU are the self proclaimed expert on all things with an incomparable intellect - self diagnosed- you can sort out this list to prove your assertion that Britain has and still claims every piece of land on this planet.
(76) Anglo Ex-Pat in Portugal
Oct 07th, 2016 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boooring...
You are like those red faced desperate British tourists that, when stopped for speeding by the Algarve's police whiiiine to the coppers about all the other tourists speeding by.....
Wroooooooooum.....Look at that German.... Why don't you stop him?
Wroooooooooum.....Look at that Frenchman.... Why don't you stop hiiim?
Wroooooooooum.....Look at that Swede... Why don't you stop hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim?
Boooooooooooooooooooooring....
Is a man living in a shPatagonia,ossiblpossibly because he is a fugitive from the law,or worse,really worth all that trouble?
Oct 07th, 2016 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean,his opinion,not living in either the FI or UK (and we do wonder why,dont we) is of total irrelevence,just like,for istance,Hepatias,or is it Hepatica,or Hepatitis.
Perhaps he or she will clarify,like they have the reason argentina doesnt take this to the ICJ.
Its just the crackling of sacrificial twigs under a pot.
M
78 Clyde15
Oct 07th, 2016 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe you missed Andorra and Iceland,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
but when he talks abt south America, and being parts of the Spanish leftovers,
they, and their former colonial masters destroyed the indigenes people and stole territory did they not,
unless of course I have it wrong and Argentina has never ever stolen anything in their history,
a model country she is then,
And a fine example to mankind....lol
81#
Oct 08th, 2016 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason Argentina hasn’t colonised, usurped, stolen or ‘recovered’ great swathes of territory that belongs to somebody else, including the Falkland’s, parts of Chile, other south Atlantic islands and most of Antarctica is that countries like the UK have stood up to them, and in the case of the Falklands, sent them packing.
These people are thieves they cower before strength and exploit what they perceive to be weakness.
No amount of spin, bravado and myth will give substance to their delusions.
@81 and 82
Oct 08th, 2016 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not a model country, but everyone in the world does agree that when you look at the historical record and facts of being good neighbors, respecting other cultures, not conquering them or attempting to invade them, imposing your language, killing locals, causing wars and starting wars... The UK comes pretty close to dead last, along the likes of Inquisition Spain, Imperial France, the Mongols, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, the Roman Empire, and the Klingon Empire.
Those are the facts an no spin and pointing fingers back at Argentina can change the reality the UK has mostly been a conquest driven, colonialist bent, culturally supremacist nation since it's founding in 1700 or so. 350 years of such behavior is not changed by 70 years of being toed into line by other superpowers. And even as recently as 2003 you provoked a war that was totally unrequired and that has lit a big swath of the globe on fire, causing probably over a million deaths by now.
81 and 82 will deny the above record of course, but those are the facts of the UK's behavior since 1700.
(79) Brassica rapa var. rapa.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll take 'boring' all day Think as it is quite evident that you are not able to answer the question I put to you, so you opt for deflection and deviation instead. Typical of someone who has been found to be lying or making unfounded and misleading statements.
Feel free to try and further 'save face', after all you are only fooling yourself.
P.S. The GNR in the Algarve have unmarked radar vehicles now, so everyone gets caught. it doesn't discriminate.
(84) BOOOOOORING
Oct 08th, 2016 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Luckily for us in Patagonia..., King Edward the seventh's Engrish Pirate claim of territories south of the 50th parallel of south latitude in 1908 was as futile as Rear-Admiral Sir John Narborough's Engrish Pirate claim over Patagonia in 1670...
Educate yourself... Engrishman...
(85) Brassica rapa var. rapa.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Think, your fine words doth butter no parsnips.
.“Whereas the group of islands known as South Georgia, the South Orkneys, the South Shetlands, and the Sandwich Islands, and the territory known as Graham's Land, situated in the South Atlantic Ocean to the south of the 50th parallel of south latitude, and lying between the 20th and the 80th degrees of west longitude, are part of our Dominions... etc, etc, etc...
Yeah he sure did claim Patagonia, it says it quite clearly........Oh wait...!
So you think Patagonia is an island in the South Atlantic.....really don't think it is me that needs an education....
So still no proof then......I can go on for as long as you like Think, you lied, got called on it, no harm in admitting it is just your imaginative opinion. But please, go on trying desperately to save face.
Think 87
Oct 08th, 2016 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a shame for you,if they had succeeded you would now be properly governed.
What on earth has happened to you to cause all this entirely spurious venom against the UK?
M
@ 34 gordo (whatever number it is today)
Oct 08th, 2016 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“as a confessed renegade Brit” WTF does that mean, do you even know?
“who fled these shores for a very questionable reason”
We were going to Oz (as you know) until The Cunt Brown © Jeremy Clarkson 2010 and US Wankers et al (such as you, being an ex-European Banker) managed to destroy half my net worth and the long term viability of Oz became 'grey'.
We both wanted a warm climate which is especially so for my wife who suffers from chronic asthma. Uruguay is on the 39th parallel (if you know what that relates to in Oz) and was the obvious choice. We love the country despite the government and having to use Jibber-Jabber (I suspect you grew up in Spain) and the people are great.
No religion either other than a few 'religious witnesses' and Morons trying to get people to give up their freedom and become idiots like you.
“you can question my statements? ”
(Yo) no tengo un problema (UYU Jibber-Jabber) in questioning your ridiculous posts, full of untruths (when you are addressing me) and downright lies when it suits you.
Typical RCC culo.
83
Oct 08th, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are in denial.
@88 ANDY KAPP
Oct 08th, 2016 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really have got up in a bad mood this morning haven't you? Idiot!
Time you showed some intelligence!
On a lighter note,
Oct 08th, 2016 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently Andorra has said she will slap Argentina if she stepped out of line again,
So the comedian stated....
#83
Oct 08th, 2016 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked you to back up your statement by listing countries that, to my knowledge, had never been claimed or invaded by the UK.
As you have made what I consider a spurious charge it is up to you to provide proof of your assertions or have you just plucked it out of thin air which is your “modus operandi”
I omitted Iceland because we DID invade it along with the Faeroes to deny it to Nazi Germany in WW2. At the cessation of hostilities we left.
#85
Maybe you can tell me how did Argentina acquire Patagonia ?
Did the native population invite you to take over this region ?
It seems an outright act of colonisation to me. I apologise....only the Falkland islanders can be squatters. Argentina would NEVER have knowingly moved into anyone else's land and claimed it. I will ignore the fate of the indigenous population as we all know no harm came to them...if you accept the Argentine version. Troll boy at #83 believes it to be true.
How does a second generation squatter from a Scandinavian background come to be so sanctimonious in the case of the Falklands. All you do us chant 1833, 1833, 1833 ad nauseum.
From a Highland/Hebridean/Glaswegian/Lowlander.
Right on!
Oct 08th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(87) Mr. Merlin
Oct 08th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By your syntax i gather you're a Kelper who asks me...:
...“What on earth has happened to you to cause all this entirely spurious venom against the UK?”
I say...:
The answer is to be find at me post (56)...
I'll repeat it below to save you the hard search...:
“ A particular and very focalized disconfort this humble Patagonian has with Merry Englands archaic colonial craving of some 12.000.000 square km of South Atlantic, South Pacific and Antarctic territories rightly claimed by the respective adjacent republics of Chile and Argentina...”
Do you need more clarification?
(92) Sassenachifizied Lowlander ...
FIRST GENERATION... if I may...
I think tink is using the proximity-to-argentina argument for its imperialist designs on the neighbours in much the way its Nazi friends did during the 1930s.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alarm...!
Oct 08th, 2016 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alaaaarm...!
Anglo Turnip breaching Godwin's law,,,!
#94
Oct 09th, 2016 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am still waiting for your explanation as to how Argentina took possession of Patagonia. I see you are ducking and diving on this subject .
First generation !!!!!
You have the temerity to attack Falkland islanders who have generations of settlement behind them when you are a Johnny-come-lately to a colonially acquired territory. Utter hypocrisy!
As a “Scanargentine” what is your obsession with all things Scottish ?
You seem to live in a Celtic twilight which never existed except in the writings of Sir Walter Scott -an arch Borderer. From Wick to Stranraer there is no notable difference in the attributes of the population. It is well and truly mixed.
So your veiled insults of Sassenach -an archaic term- shows that like the country in which you abide, you are stuck in some era bordering on the 19th century.
@97 Clyde15
Oct 09th, 2016 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like they stole it, then implanted a Creole settler population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
“Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.”
— Julio Argentino Roca.
@83 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Toby, who do you think you are kidding.
“being good neighbors, respecting other cultures, not conquering them or attempting to invade them, imposing your language, killing locals, causing wars and starting wars...”
See above, that is exactly what you did do to the Indigenous population of Argentina, also what you are still trying to do to the Falkland Islanders.
Except unlike Atahualpa or the Mapuche, the British have more than just sticks and stones with which to defend their territory.
Sassenach at (97)
Oct 09th, 2016 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse +1Forgetting midges & air humidity,...,what's not to like about Scotland...?
Grand scenery...
Great fishing...
Ginger lasses...
... Besides, me family has been vacationing there since the 8th century
@99
Oct 09th, 2016 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think you know full well that neither you nor your ostensible 'Viking' (laugh) family has ever been within 5,000 miles of Scotland.
If they think they own them,
Oct 09th, 2016 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take it to the ICJ.
#99
Oct 09th, 2016 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you are Norwegian. Seem to be a nice enough people - what happened to you ?.
I see that the predisposition to forceably colonise other countries has passed down your genetic line.
Sorry we had to kick you out of the Clyde and latterly Scotland. No hard feelings.
It is also thanks to the Vikings that two Scots were the first Europeans to land in N.America. As slaves in Leif Erikson's expedition, they were forced to go ashore and run up and down the beach to attract any hostiles to see if it was safe for the rest of the crew to come ashore. So, Scotland could claim the N.American continent.
102 Clyde15
Oct 09th, 2016 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I Think, think is from Yorkshire.
just my opinion for what its worth
94 think.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat,what have got against being properly governed by people who know how to do it?
If only Europe had listened,things would now be so different.
M
103
Oct 09th, 2016 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol
@103
Oct 09th, 2016 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, what did Yorkshire ever do to you?
Geeeeeeee....
Oct 10th, 2016 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been called every name in the book in here....
But this last one one.......... is nauseouslyunder the belt...
Now, If you'll excuse me..., the batter has reached its optimal peak & the teint is perfectly golden/brownish...
Time to take that yorkie out of the own...
LOL. Yorkie? D'you mean the dog or the chocolate bar?
Oct 10th, 2016 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0So tell us Think, did you have to walk to work uphill both ways and sleep in a cardboard box when you were young?
(108) Mr DemonTree
Oct 10th, 2016 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't really grock your questions lad..., but...
I had to cross country ski to school somtimes in the winter..., and lived in a cellulose/lignin house...
Does that count?
Not a Monty Python fan then?
Oct 10th, 2016 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0And that doesn't count, skiing to school sounds like fun and there's nothing wrong with wooden houses.
Luuuuv Monty Python...
Oct 10th, 2016 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse -1But evidently haven't seen that episode...
Bahahahaha - Think Norwegian???
Oct 10th, 2016 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse +1I have got it - Think's a parrot, Norwegian Blue? Thinks like a parrot, speaks like a parrot, smells like a parrot and no doubt looks like a parrot!
Explains a lot, in the face of all evidence and common sense, mindlessly repeats Peronist Malvinista falsehoods and skogans ad infinitum. Swears like a trouper, misoginistic as Trump, repulsive to women. Attracted to false botoxed female!
Loves Monty Python? Which sketch?
Suggestions on a postcard please!
@110
Oct 10th, 2016 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Nothing wrong with wooden houses”.
Luxury - we used to live in a 'black house' with no walls or roof!
@111
https://youtu.be/Xe1a1wHxTyo
Explains a lot.
Oct 10th, 2016 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chips on both shoulders.
Not from Yorkshire then,
Oct 10th, 2016 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just some of the words he uses,
oh well back to the drawing board..lol
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What has happened...?
Oct 11th, 2016 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse +1Who is saying what...?
Is this a joke...?
Please tell me this is a joke....
This is Chubut calling...
Oct 11th, 2016 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a glitch soon to be corrected... (i Think :-)
El Think.
That's better...
Oct 11th, 2016 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had to put my thinking cap on Mr.Think...
Wouldn't want folk to confuse the two of us....;-)
Nice to meet you “face to face” :-)
Oct 11th, 2016 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In Argentina the potential competitive advantage of devaluation is wiped out by very high inflation and the increase in input cost to manufacturing.”
Oct 11th, 2016 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Precisely. Unfortunately the devaluation of almost 50% won't help Argentine exports, at the workers demand full, or almost full, compensation, although the devaluation affects only the imported goods, not - or to a very small degree - what is produced in Argentina. Thus the devaluation does not improve Argentine competition on the world market, unlike the drop in the British pound. I wish the Argentine would react otherwise, but their machismo prevents it: full recompensention or face a general strike.
Argentina should grow up
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