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Malvinas has “an enormous emotional content” but “my duty is to advance dialogue in all issues”
Foreign minister Susana Malcorra said that the Falklands/Malvinas issue has “an enormous emotional content”, but as her country's main diplomat her duty is to ensure a dialogue that can advance, in the best possible way, on all issues. The minister also described the Mercosur relation with Brazil as “inexorable”, which is beyond ideologies underlining the significance of Brazil's Michel Temer recent visit to Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“an enormous emotional content ” what a load of bollocks, she has never been there and how can you be emotional about something you know nothing about. And Argentina has never owned them ever.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let them wallow in their own pathetic bulls--t!
Oct 05th, 2016 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Content for domestic consumption. Argies have been “uneducated” from reality by nearly 80 years of government misinformation and propaganda. There's a simple example. Start by looking at the gaudy, nazi-like uniforms adopted by Peron. The “need” to have huge “popular” rallies. The assumption that it could sit on the sidelines during WW2 and then pick over the remains of the destroyed British Empire. How unfair of Britain to win that war. Wasn't what Hitler had told Peron would happen! I wonder how argies use their minds to square joining the Allies at the last moment and then giving sanctuary to nazi war criminals? Still, it was important to acquire appropriate expertise and who better to get it from than members of the Gestapo and the SS, as well as concentration/extermination camp guards? And so to the Dirty War. What would the difference be between nazi “extermination” and argie “disappearance”? And the situation continues. Stalin and Hitler both undertook “purges”, with Hitler going so far as to murder his most successful general. Shades of Nisman, anyone? And the majority of argies just go stumbling on with their eyes firmly closed. Just look at how the Kirchners alternately whipped and then bribed them. Toward the end of that wonderful ten years, why were the “villas” still there? As a public warning of where argies could finish up if they upset the government. Unless, like Nisman, they are dead! Read Malcorra's words in that context. Argies can't tell the truth. It's been “educated” out of them. Even if they dared “think” it.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Susana,
Oct 05th, 2016 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0time to come clean about the mythical Malvinas claim and admit the game's up:
https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law
(You've never owned the Falklands so can't claim them).
“I believe that having a citizen of any country in the UN seat will give that country a participation in the great global affairs game. It is evident that with Ban Ki-moon issues from his region have had a greater weight than if I was in his place”.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0So nothing to do with projecting The Malevolent Midget onto the UN world stage then?
“I don't believe in plebiscites or referendums. Brexit was contaminated by many factors, including the refugees' problem which led to the UK leaving the EU. A tool of democracy is consultation of the electorate, but a binding consultation is extremely dangerous and generates surprises”.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0They only generate surprises because politicians are too stupid to predict how people will vote, i.e. missing the 'bleedin' obvious.
If the result of the Falklands or UK's In/Out EU referendum was a surprise to Malcorra, that only shows what an idiot she is.
Brexit was also contaminated by the fact that a lot od people want UK laws to be made in the UK, not by unelected fat cats sponging off our tax.
It was also contaminated by people not wanting to be propping up the EU with our taxpayers money, whilst spongers like Spain take that money to build motorways. Brexit was not solely about refugees either. Excess levels of immigration was a factor, but there were many reasons to vote out, a series of reasons leading to growing resentment over the years.
At least we can laugh at this woman, she hasn't got a clue, making the same general statements that Argentines use without any serious research whatsoever.
”but a binding consultation is extremely dangerous and generates surprises”.
Argentina doesn't like binding UN resolutions either, only defunct, non-binding ones.
@ 6 Pete Bog
Oct 05th, 2016 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on.
And the reason Trump has gotten as far as he has and may well end up as the President!
Wouldn't that be a surprise to certain people on here.
Never underestimate the citizens who have their back to the wall to support their families, whilst those who have the money couldn't care a kipper, use the only power they do have: the Vote.
“a binding consultation is extremely dangerous and generates surprises”.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on Malky, the result of the Falklands referendum couldn’t have been that much of a surprise, or is it just that you don’t want them to have a say in the first place.
Or anyone else on any other issue, it would seem. People clearly can’t be trusted with important decisions about their future, they get it wrong too often.
She would make a great Remainer, clearly knows nothing about the real issues of Brexit.
“It is evident that with Ban Ki-moon issues from his region have had a greater weight than if I was in his place”
And what issues from your region would you give greater weight to then Malky, Argy colonisation of the S. Atlantic perhaps?
That is why you will never be UNSG.
I'd just like to make three comments that show this woman's ignorance:
Oct 05th, 2016 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) ” I don't believe in plebiscites or referendums. Brexit was contaminated by many factors, including the refugees' problem which led to the UK leaving the EU. A tool of democracy is consultation of the electorate, but a binding consultation is extremely dangerous and generates surprises”.
The UK has NOT left the EU, yet. The EU Referendum in the UK is not 'binding' although politically unwise to ignore it.
b) ”It is evident that with Ban Ki-moon issues from his region have had a greater weight than if I was in his place”.
This is a disgraceful comment as it implies that Ban ki Moon is biased against Argentina, presumably because of his famous comment that the UK was not in breach of any UN Resolutions and also his comment that all NSGT's have the right to self determination.
c) ”for the first time, Russia, China, US and France will show red cards to some of the hopefuls, and this will be strictly linked to strategy, that is their own country interests“.
but she doesn't mention the UK red carding anyone. She probably doesn't realise that the UK has a veto. Either that or she is scared they may use it.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, afraid of direct democracy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, deserves a disproportionately powerfully influence in world affairs, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, bilateral trade on a unilateral basis, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, secure the necessary investments, blah, blab, blah, blah, blah, deal with bloody islanders, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, victim of international circumstances, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
Oct 05th, 2016 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malacara might just as well have said ” A tool of democracy is consultation of the electorate, but a binding election to chose a president is extremely dangerous and generates surprises”.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How very argentine.
Thrvreal issues of Brexit,mr Pugol,were and are that the views of a lot of wilfully ignorant people have been given undue weifht against those
Oct 05th, 2016 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its official...Antonio Guterres is going to be the next UN General Secretary.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets face it, Malcorra never had a chance as she is so blatantly biased that not even a blind, deaf mute could've missed it.
All political window dressing withinArgentina.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Macri needed UK support for something- as 2018 G20 Host?
The price for that support ?
In return Macri has to start unravelling all the vitriol and hatred aimed at the Islands during 12 yrs of the K Dynasty. |Not an easy thing to do and it will take time- but Arg has agreed to start it. We will see if they really do in time.
Meanwhile he and Malcorra now have to“sell” the deal to Congress and their Electorate.
Time will tell.
@12 merlin
Oct 05th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wilfully ignorant or people are entitled to their opinions and to vote.
“Undue weight”, don’t be silly, everyone had one vote, there were simply more of the wilfully ignorant.
Describing as wilfully ignorant everyone who doesn’t share your view and or who voted against your point of view, is about as prejudice as it gets.
An all too prevalent attitude in remainers, pathetic, really pathetic.
“....but as her country's main diplomat her duty is to ensure a dialogue that can advance, in the best possible way, on all issues.”
Oct 05th, 2016 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IF she, being a diplomat, had any common sense, she would acknowledge that there is nothing to “advance”, and would keep her gob shut.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/antonio-guterres-to-be-new-secretary-general-of-the-united-natio/
Oct 05th, 2016 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News for Malcorra!
As a eurosceptic,in practise,if not in principle,how do you know that I am not merely objecting to the reasons people gave for voting for Brexit rather than how they voted.
Oct 05th, 2016 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another clue is the little weasel word I put in,that word was wilful.
Now that everyone has acess to the internet there really can be no excuse for wanton ignorance,since it merely represents the worst sort of idleness,mental idleness.
The UK cannot afford to stop people coming here to work.
We should be able to afford it,but how are you going to get the seven or so percent of the population that are not working,but perfectly easily could be,to pick cabages,for instance?
Similarly on this nonsence of making our own laws,w hat matters is that the laws are made propwrly and that they are fair and enforceable,where they are made in Europe can only matter to either a moron or a racist.
Then there is the matter of the non elected comissioners,there are twelve,and they do not have dictator powers.
There is only one thing worse than not enough democracy,and that is too much democracy.
It is inefficient,slow and expensive if carried beyond reasonable limits,and Europe cannot afford it,especially if it intenfs to continue with its current nonsensical social provision which is currently destroying it,by the way.
Accept it,not everybody can manage themselves,some people have to be told what to do and then checked up on to make sure that they have done it.
Anybody who has managed anything sucessfully will confirm that.
M
Well, since the UK vetoed Malcorra (no surprise here), we should ditch the deal with them. After all, the UK gets the better end of the deal.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas has 'an enormous emotional content'” says Malcorra.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Translation: Macri tried to relativize the issue and talk business with the U.K. but had to quickly backtrack when he realized the political price he was going to pay.
So if Macri couldn't do it, nobody else will.
Translation: Considering how Argentina behaves with respect to the Falklands, not matter what its government, no one from the civilised nations with any sense is going to risk an investment here, leaving Argentina with the enviable position of its preferring recurrent self-deception to a path involving prospects for increased prosperity.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 MagnusMaster
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to pop your self pitying bubble but a lot of country's didn't support Malcorra becoming the next UN Secretary General.
Why?
Because they all remember the time when Argentina was given the Chairmanship of the UNSC and instead of representing the WHOLE of South America and the Caribbean Islands, seen the WHOLE time bleating on about how the world was 'picking' on Argentina.
Quite frankly Malcorra put herself out of the running every single time she opened her mouth and lied.
The UN wants an unbiased Secretary General, not one who's going to spend their whole time in office crying to the world about poor Argentina, poor poor Argentina, who only wants to steal a 'bit' of other people's land (honest!), and about how the 'mean' and 'evil' British won't allow it.
The world has serious problems, and the UN needs a serious and experienced person in the role as Secretary General, not a lying, whinging, completely biased lunatic.
The UK wouldn't have needed to use the Veto, the US, France and Russia were already using it against her. (Yes even Russia your 'bestest' friend didn't want Malcorra in the job.).
Susana Malcorra
Oct 06th, 2016 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you speak to much ,
and do very little,
you imaging to much and see very little,
you will do nothing but use the UN for your own agenda.
Looks like it was Russia that provided the veto of Malacara. Can anyone confirm?
Oct 06th, 2016 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Marti
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the UN was pushing for a female Secretary General (to be all PC and the like). Russia vetoed her because she was the current US government's choice for a woman to be UNGS.
The Russians wanted an Eastern European to hold the post (male or female) but the US were blocking it, so the Russians blocked the US preferred candidate(s) in a tit-for-tat round of voting.
The UK didn't have to do anything to stop Malcorra from becoming UNGS. She was always way down the list of preferred candidates, for any country, coming 8th out of 12 candidates.
So more than one country voted against her being Secretary General.
I called this when it was announced.
Oct 06th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy jumped on that bandwagon, too.
lol.
Rg is rg.
Nothing changes.
So sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry - Suzanne.
I don't think anyone predicted she would become Secretary-General.
Oct 07th, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy the bandwagon.
Apparently Argentina is very upset at her not getting a go at the job,
Oct 07th, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the brit's are to blame.
Poor things
Oct 07th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will now have to think of another way to get rid of her.
I am sure that it,allof it,really is the fault of every person in the UK.
As some numptie recently suhgested,we are obsessed with World Domination,and thus may have become distracted,or something.
M
Argentina always the victim.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0THE MALVINAS AND HUMAN RIGHTS.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The hypocritical defence that such a reactionary government like Macri's makes, is everyday more evident, at the same time he says that in Venezuela there is not democracy, he receives somebody like Michel fora Temer, who took the brasilian presidency after a legislative coup, the only one difference between him and Macri, is that unless Macri is a constitutional and legitimate president, which is something that Temer can't have, although both don't accept it, Nicolas Maduro is as legitimate as Macri is, despite his administration is a disaster.
On the other hand, respecting the Malvinas cause, the islanders and the british can be relaxed, his administration won't move not even one finger to defend our sovereign rights over that territory, beyond the formal protests repeated every year, it's well known that in this country conservatives don't give a shit about sovereignty, they just care about business, in fact, it was shown in the embarrasing situation commited by a dull president, who dared to say the world that Theresa May accepted to start talking about all the issues that involve the Malvinas question, which was rejected by the foreign office, it shows clearly that such a delicate issue like this one, was treated in a very mediocre way, which also shows the lack of relevancy that his administration gives to the Malvinas cause.
Respecting this cause, i really think that sooner or later this case will have to be treated by the I. C. J., as i said in many of my comments, in 1884 and 1888 Arg. suggested the posibility of an arbitration, which wasn't accepted by the U. K., but in 1947 Britain manifested it would be disposed to take the cases of the dependencies from the islands (South Georgia and Sandwich), however, the Malvinas weren't included in that proposal, after that year, neather Arg. nor the U. K. proposed to give that step again, perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if the case is treated by the court.
@18 merlin
Oct 09th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said “about as prejudice as it gets”.
People have the right to vote how they feel, with their consciences, in a referendum, you don’t think it had more to do with the arguments presented???
No of course not, it’s obviously “wanton ignorance” “the worst sort of idleness, mental idleness.”
Mate, look in the mirror!!!
Just so you know, it was not about stopping immigration it was all about controlling it, to what we need, we don’t need benefit tourists.
The difference between laws made here or there is simple, if we don’t like those made here we change the Gov/Council with a vote, laws made there you can do nothing about, and frequently are not fair or enforceable.
Same with Presidents, Commissioners, flags and anthems.
It would take a Moron not to be able to see that, and only a racist would think of it in racist terms in the first place.
Most people can manage to decide how they want to vote, don’t need to be told what to do.
When something is managed properly you don’t need to “check-up”, you have people who can be relied upon to do the job properly in the first place.
If you are still having to tell people what to do and then check up, you have pretty much failed at the first hurdle.
@32 axel arg
Oct 09th, 2016 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicolas Maduro was as legitimate as Macri, when he was elected. He is not now, as people are trying to use the proper constitutional procedure to remove him, but judges who support him are blocking it. Plenty of dictators started their careers as democratically elected presidents.
Wasn't the military junta a conservative government? But perhaps they didn't care about sovereignty and just wanted to start a war. Anyway, do you think the measures taken by CFK against the Falklands were successful? Were they worth damaging trade with the UK?
As for the ICJ, I suspect you are right. Neither country is sure of winning, so neither wants to risk it. Who knows if it will ever happen.
@32 axel arg
Oct 09th, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you point out, the UK gov has always offered to take the matter of S. Georgia/S. Sandwich Islands to the ICJ, ever since Argentina first claimed the territory.
Argentina’s continual refusal to do this really tells you all you need to know, Argentina simply does not have a case, its claim is entirely frivolous.
Whilst the Falklands are different because it is inhabited, even if they weren’t Argentina would still refuse any independent judgment, for the same reason, when you separate fact from fiction, Argentina simply does not have a case.
Argentina cannot even admit to itself what the British claim actually is, much less contest it. Much easier to argue against what Argentina says the British claim is, than what the British say it is, pretend that doesn’t exist.
In ten years of reading Argentinian new websites, I have never yet read anything about what the British claim is, that is accurate or in any way correct.
We know what is the basis of Argentina’s claim, inheritance and proximity, do you know what the basis of the British claim is?
Let me give you a clue, the wishes of the Islanders is the reason why the Islands are still British today, not the reason why the Islands were British in the first place, and not part of the British claim.
Absolutely factual .
Oct 09th, 2016 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is the point of discussing the opieate dreams of a bankrupt assemblage of racial mongrels .
The British,however you wish to describe them,are not the Nation that everybody of consequence sees as utterly fundamental in principle,practise,and influence for nothing.
You dont get where we are for nothing and no reason.
Let me give you an example.
Wing Commander Guy Gibson,VC,DSO and bar DFC and bar,commanding officer of 617 Squadron RAF.
It doesnt get any better than that,it may never get any better than that ,although I do hope that it might,one day.
Get used to that,mongrels,for you may then aspire to improve upon it,and I most sincerely hope that you do,for your sake,and the sake of all of us.
There is considerable scope for it.
M
“opieate dreams of a bankrupt assemblage of racial mongrels .”
Oct 09th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I rest my case.
And you wonder why you lost the referendum.
You also seem to have completely lost your marbles.
If you ever had them????
*fading Dambusters theme*
I am unaware that you made any case that might stand the verdict of jurisprudence.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you need not rest that which has not been made.
Such marbles as I once had were lost many years ago,either my brother aquired them or red wine and blondes did most of them in.
But the rest still work well enough.
I did not lose the plebiscite,and,currently,it is uncertain who,if anyone,did.
But I think that it may turn out to be Europe,or the EEC,or whatever name you know it by.
Do you think that personal insults win arguments?
Some,on reading your post,may well see it as an example of raw envy.
I think it was one of the deadly sins,but we all posess too many of them.
Try to be less cross and more analytical.
M
If I was the Argentine government I would be more concerned that 5 years ago the country had lower unemployment than Germany and lower poverty than Norway and now it has one third of the population living in poverty and one tenth classed as indigent. There is an element of the population that has always blamed Argentinas woes on British power. I can now reveal they were right so unless you want poverty of two thirds and indigent levels of 50% then I suggest some arse kissing is in order. :)
Oct 10th, 2016 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who do you propose should be kissing whose arse?
Oct 10th, 2016 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina is not a fully qualifying sovereign state because it remains bankrupt,consequently one imagines that it will be anxious to kiss anyones arse.
M
@ 38 merlin
Oct 10th, 2016 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me see, so far you have said:
“The real issues of Brexit,” “were and are that the views of a lot of wilfully ignorant people have been given undue weight”
By which you mean, they got a vote as well.
Then it was:
“wanton ignorance, since it merely represents the worst sort of idleness, mental idleness.”
Because of how they voted.
Then we get:
“where they [laws] are made in Europe can only matter to either a moron or a racist.”
Don’t think I’ll give that comment the credibility of an answer.
The coup de grace:
“the opieate dreams of a bankrupt assemblage of racial mongrels.”
And this is your “analysis” of the issues is it???
No “personal insults” involved of course???
Like I said “about as prejudice as it gets”.
*fading 633 Squadron theme*
Let us assume, for the sake of discussion, the the Falkland Islanders left the islands and handed them over to Argentina as a gift.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would Argentina do with the islands?
No Argentine would want to live there, it's too cold, and they are as unable to evolve industries etc. as they are in Argentina.
So what would they do? leave the islands uninhabited?
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Oct 12th, 2016 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas/Malouinas question must be discussed with the French government, it's their town.
Oct 12th, 2016 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great Britain always the victim.
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