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Antarctica celebrates 25th anniversary of the Environment Protection Protocol
Tuesday 4 October was the 25th anniversary of the Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty which was created in order to protect the unique and pristine Antarctic landscape. The Protocol designates Antarctica as a natural reserve, devoted to peace and science; and bans the commercial extraction of minerals (mining and drilling). Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAbout 90% of the flags in that map are Colonialist thieves whose nations lie oceans and continents away... what are they doing all the way down here? Then they dare question Argentina what we are doing here, when “we” are here because this is our home.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -4This should be scrapped immediately and Argentina should begin mining the region for all kinds of resources.
@1 Cap
Oct 08th, 2016 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You are a very naughty boy trying to wind everybody up with such a contentious statement
hilarious!!!
What business do European nations have in Antarctica? In the 21st century, when they scream and shout everyday that “colonialism” is so bad, what are they doing there? What business of theirs is it what happens there?
Oct 08th, 2016 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Just answer the question.
@3 Capi
Oct 08th, 2016 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It's an empty continent that belongs to no one, or to everyone. Why shouldn't they be there?
Any country is allowed to do research in Antarctica under the treaty.
As for Argentina scrapping the treaty unilaterally, don't make me laugh. You'd certainly come off worst in a free for all and you still have plenty of resources left to mine on your own continent.
@4
Oct 08th, 2016 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -2We should scrap the treaty and we should go ahead with whatever plans we believe are best.
Who determined Antarctica belongs to no one? Why should Antarctica belong to no one, but the Arctic (frozen sea ice instead of solid land BTW), should? No double-standard there, anywhere?
Argentina should withdraw from the treaty and slowly build settlements in the Antarctic Peninsula. Then self-determination should be invoked after two or three generations. Then let's see how the British and others respond. It would be a great experiment in geopolitics.
And I would love nothing but to see the British or any other European nation go to war with Argentina over Antarctica. We would not come worse off... we would call yours and their bluff. If you do fight us to drive us off, it will prove to the entire planet that you ARE THERE for territorial ambitions, in a land with no self-determination for you to fall back on... So it would prove the lying, thieving, hypocritical COLONIALIST EXPANSIONISTS EUians have always been.
Ultimately Antarctica should be apportioned to the 6 or 7 countries with shores directly facing the continent and that lie further south than the 33th parallel. Only 6 countries fulfill those criteria.
The Antarctic Peninsula should be split right down the half for Argentina and Chile, the other countries would get portions to some extent proportional to their projected longitudinal breadth of the shores facing the continent south of 33th S. Admittedly under that scenario Australia and South Africa would get the biggest chunks, then New Zealand, then Argentina, then Chile, and Brazil would get but a tiny sliver.
Sorry UK's claim predates Argentina's.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Or should Argentina get special treatment! Or just write rules to suit itself?
Sounds like the actions that you whine about incessantly as being unfair and wrong.
You are highly amusing Nostrils!
Using the argie argument, Cuba's proximity to Florida makes it a territory of the US, and Aruba should belong to Venezuela.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will be removed from its squats in Antarctica within 25 years.
About 90% of the flags in that map are Colonialist
Oct 08th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Does not that include Argentina,
If you lot ever ever got control of the place,
it would look like Argentina within months,
Broke , and , ruined .
As per usual, Nostrils just makes sh!t up. To deflect from his woefully inadequate education and potentially more than one mental health issue.
Oct 08th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can make out 44 flags in the pic.
15 countries have territory in the Southern Hemisphere:
29 don't and of those, 11 could be considered colonialist thieves based on their history or current actions:
So I get 25%.
I mean 9 flags or 20% are just Latin American countries! So another glib Nostrils comment just makes him look more stupid than usual.
Nostrils has no way to argue around the fact that Argentina is a jonny come lately to claiming a part of Antartica.
The UK's claims in the South Atlantic and Antartica are more valid than Spain's were in South America.
@6
Oct 09th, 2016 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse -2Hate to break the following to you, but the UK's claim will be proven invalid and QUITE easily I'm afraid. And ironically it is their defense of the Falklands and Gibraltar that has made it invalid. I spoke to a lawyer (not ARGENTINE), about this.
I have mentioned that Argentina's claim is stronger than the UK based on the fact that we are the nation with longest unbroken presence, geographic and geologic factors, and that if Self-determination is invoked the true Antarcticans would vote for Argentina. He said those are secondary or inadmisible in front of a court, with the exception of the uninterrupted presence which is considered in land disputes (just as it would if the Falklands were arbitrated). He mentioned that the two most important aspects would be jurisprudence (precedence), and second “conferring of stewardship”.
In plain English, Argentina can make the very simple case that the UK cannot have it both ways under international law. It cannot argument that Gibraltar should not be returned to Spain because in modern times, to quote a British politician:
“The principles of the eighteenth century, said Mr Picardo, could not be applied to a situation that exists in the twenty-first century.”
... And also argument that the Falklands should not be given to Argentina on the basis of the UN Charter and self-determination, a mid 20th century principle. AND THEN COME RIGHT AROUND AND ARGUMENT in a hypothetical arbitration of the Antarctic question, that their “claim”, A 19TH CENTURY CONCEPT, claim which predates the UN and World War II (actually important in terms of arbitration of disputes), is somehow VALID for a 21st century argument, Argentina would say. Any capable court would note such inconsistency immediately and strike it down. That kills the UK's supposed “ace”.
It then comes to conferring of “stewardship”. In which case, the countries closest to a disputed land would be deemed as most likely to be affected, and thus most likely to protect it.
Did you say, “protect”?
Oct 09th, 2016 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think you meant, “exploit”.
Now that is a British policy.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse +1Of crourse this argument would be a slight risk to Argentina too, since it would also put Argentina's claim as invalid in the eyes of the court. It would depend on how strong the lawyers believe the case is, which is beyond the scope of anyone's knowledge here.
Don't be ridiculous, Nostrils.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your countrymen cannot even look after Argentina, what hope have they to properly administer Antarctica?
Eventually we'll get Patagonia back off you, Paraguay will get back the land that Argentina stole from them in 1871, any other claimants?
You can have BsAs, try to make it a bit more livable, won't you?
You silly little niño?
@10 Capi
Oct 09th, 2016 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse +1”I spoke to a lawyer (not ARGENTINE), about this.”
What, an evil foreigner who thinks you're 'inferior'? By the way, what is the point of banning foreigners from Argentina when you can talk to us online any day of the week? And why do you, if you think it's so harmful?
If you think it would be such a good thing for Argentina to break the Antarctic treaty and start mining and drilling there, why do you suppose none of your governments of any ideological belief have ever suggested this?
Sure there are probably a lot of useful resources in Antarctica, but getting them out will be quite a challenge. Doing it without damaging the environment even more so. No country has thought it worth changing the status quo so far.
And why does it matter if the UK's claim dates from the 19th century? Laws remain in effect unless they are superseded by new ones; no one lives in Antarctica permanently so self determination does not apply.
Not really, Monkey.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Might makes right, like it or not.
To borrow from Clinton: TTT lives in his own reality.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1TTT, Why not volunteer to live in the Antarctic? It would give you all the isolation you crave.
Argentina and its unheated 2-hole outhouse will be removed from Antarctica within 25 years.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 CapiTrollism_is_back!!
Oct 09th, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Same business you Indian murdering Creole Planter Bastards have being in S. America, all that way from your homes in Italy/Spain.
Except when we found/explored/claimed Antarctica it was completely un-inhabited, unlike S. America.
Argentina is a S. American county, with no legitimate claims to anything outside S. America, that was all taken long before your Creole Planter Republic Of, was ever born.
Never mind finished ethnically cleansing your way to the S. Atlantic coast and proximity to the British territories of the S. Atlantic.
The British made their claims to Antarctica by going there, exploring and sticking flags in the ground.
Argentina made its claim 100 years later by sticking pins in a map (drawn by the British) in an office in BA.
You go find your own unclaimed territory, you need to stop trying to claim other peoples.
As for Argy settlements, don’t make me laugh, you can’t supply your existing bases without Russian help. Is your Ice Breaker ready to sail yet, oh that’s right can’t get out of port now.
“Unlike Atahualpa or the Mapuche, the British have more than just sticks and stones with which to defend their territory.”
I think another treaty may well be signed to keep the south pole free.
Oct 09th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can do and say what it wants,
it will not get the south pole, now or ever,
unless 12@ knows something the rest of us do not.
@ 18 “ Is your Ice Breaker ready to sail yet, oh that’s right can’t get out of port now.”
Oct 09th, 2016 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Argentine icebreaker is the very epitome of Industria Argentina and the showcase of politically controlled management, institutional ineptitude, lack of technological capacity, corrupt misuse of funding, and functional failure that characterises all manner of AR governments here. In short, it is quintessentially Argentine.
It's been 9... count them..... nine fooking years since this ship burned, which in itself was a tribute to dubious argie abilities on the high seas. In that nine years the Koreans could have built five entirely new icebreakers. Assessment here has indicated that what has been spent to “repair” the Irízar, together with what has already been spent to have the Dutch and the Russians do the resupply, a brand-new icebreaker could have been acquired. As of this season repairs+foreign resupply net cost will be over US$300 million.
The world has little to fear from the works of Industria Argentina down at the shipyards (run by the national government here, of course). Or anywhere else.
We've heard for years that the ARA Almirante Irízar is almost ready, just about ready, nearly ready, ready any day now.... But of course it's all rubbish. Lies. We've known for months that they can't even move the ship from its repair location. It's basically stuck in the mud because of the “deferred maintenance” silliness of the Kirchner government that resulted in the ruin of so much of the infrastructure in this country.
Now we learn that it's not just the lack of dredging that is keeping the ship from going anywhere. Unsurprisingly, the Argentine governments have all been lying about the ship being “almost ready.” In fact the refitting is nowhere near done. As of last month, it was shown that some ten percent of the work (after 9 years) is yet to be accomplished!
Has anyone worked out exactly how much the K's stole from Argentines? We know they stole but how much?
Oct 09th, 2016 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Hard to say. Lots of unreliable sources. One of the KK bag-men apprehended this year was famously reported to have testified that he calculated that the KK stole US$120 billion, but that is a bit hard to believe. Likely that a substantial part of what was stolen was converted to US dollars and spirited out of the country.
Oct 10th, 2016 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse +1Uruguay media:
http://www.elobservador.com.uy/farina-cristina-y-baez-se-robaron-un-ano-entero-del-pib-n905216
Has that RG yacht left FIPASS yet or is it going to be an Irizar Mk2?
Oct 10th, 2016 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't La la land inherit South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands from Spain under the international legal doctrine of uti possidetis juris?
Oct 10th, 2016 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1Booo!
https://www.academia.edu/28967823/Falklands_Uti_Possidetis_Juris
@ 23 “Has that RG yacht left FIPASS yet....”
Oct 10th, 2016 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Apparently not. Maybe one of the islanders can comment. Have not heard anything here since August. The boat is in pretty sorry shape. Just like the rest of Argentina. From what I understand the hulk has become something of a tourist attraction and *somebody* removed the argie flag from the wreck, since I guess that flag symbol is prohibited in the Islands. Others with knowledge can fill in.
Given that the RGs can't navigate for shit will this new format mean that we will never see our trolls again? Are they doomed to wander forever in the wilds of cyberspace vainly searching for their lost malvinas? We can but hope I guess.....
Oct 10th, 2016 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Post no. 27
Oct 11th, 2016 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse -1Mr. Fighterjet above....Some of us are one step ahead...
...I'm sorry I thought you were a fighter jet...;-))))
Not to worry, the professional trolls were the first to adapt, being well accustomed to thwarting forum
Oct 11th, 2016 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0upgrades.
Sorry but I am not keen on the upgrade.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What business does Argentina have in Antarctica? It's separated from Antarctica by an ocean, and it's squatting on top of the claims made earlier by others, including others who are even closer to Antarctica than Argentina. Were it not for the current treaty, Argentina would rightly have been removed from its squats in that region, where it has no business or legitimacy whatsoever.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably because Argentina thinks it owns everything and anything.
Oct 11th, 2016 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but does not want to pay for it, or take responsibly either.
This is Chubut calling...
Oct 11th, 2016 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Message for Mr. “Voice”, four places above...
1) You will have to use a less standard picture...
Turnip “The Voice” has already copied it...
2) Mr. “Fighterjet” used to be Mr. Frank...
He ain't no quick...
Regards
El Think...
I have a solution Mr.Think...
Oct 11th, 2016 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I'm thinking that if The Voice is going to continue using my pic... pathetically trying to copy me as usual then I should use his pic...
The one showing his fat face and beard and sporting a baseball cap...
He knows the one I'm talking about...
What do you think...?
I'll give him an opportunity to change his pic first...considerate chap that I am...;-)
Fake fake fake....
Oct 12th, 2016 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse -3This is Chubut calling...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse -2Message for Mr. “Voice”, two places above...
I Think that would be....................................................... fair.
By the way...
One interesting development of this new version of MercoPress seems to be that the choice of picture is IP dependant...and retroactive.
Meaning... that ones chosen picture will appear on all ones MercoPress's comments, present and past, of all accounts one may have had... otherwise called sock puppets...
I Think we are in for some surprises...
I already found one...
Regards
El Think...
2) Mr. “Fighterjet” used to be Mr. Frank...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Geeze Thicko, that was clever of you.... we are all no end impressed... that feat required the memory power of a hamster . And its not 'Mr Fighterjet'... its 'Mr Typhoon of 1435 Flight, RAF Mt Pleasant, make a low pass in front of Port Stanley'.... more power in one airframe than in the entire RG military ... stow that where the monkey stows its nuts.
This is Chubut calling...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse -3Ahhhh. Mr. Frank, the Yank...
Well spoken as ever I can see...
This humble Patagonian memory is good enough to remember the navegation rules in the Strait of Magellan, laddie... something that, if memory serves me right, you are not so good at...
Jupppp., Mr. Fighterjet... your picture is from an Eurofighter alright...
Easily recognizable Canard silhouette... completely inspired in our venerable Saab Viggen...
El Think...
“Our” Saab Viggen, Think?
Oct 12th, 2016 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have always denied being a Swede.
Now you are one?
This is Chubut calling...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse -2Anonimous poster above...
Identify yourself if you wish a response...
El Think...
What business do non southern hemisphere nations have in Antarctica?
Oct 12th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What business do non southern hemisphere nations have in Antarctica?”
Oct 12th, 2016 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +1What does a “hemisphere” have to do with anything? Does Ecuador gain special rights for colonising other countries or regions because it has territory in both north and south hemispheres?
The notion of proximity for territory hundreds of km from Argentina previously claimed by others is of course rubbish. If it were so then Argentina would recognise Chile's closer proximity as well as Chile's earlier claim.
Good. You've just made my point. Hence I don't understand why are you bitch1n' about Argentina squatting in Antarctica. I see lot of nations squatting there. What is your problem then? Just pointless bashing I guess.
Oct 12th, 2016 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2This is Chubut calling...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Captain Piluso, three posts above asks...:
“What business do non southern hemisphere nations have in Antarctica?”
I say...:
Pirate business?
'This humble Patagonian memory is good enough to remember the navegation rules in the Strait of Magellan, laddie... something that, if memory serves me right, you are not so good at...'
Oct 13th, 2016 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0A simple typo.... however you told the world that the Strait was shallow and of no commercial significance.... selective memory.... ?
Wow! Nicks are showing up again. Awesome!
Oct 13th, 2016 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Thicko's problem in confusing the Beagle with Magallanes is that these RGs ( which he isn't ) keep on messing with the maps...' lets draw the line south of Snipe today shall we '....
Oct 13th, 2016 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Beagle/Moat/Magallanes ... it must be very confusing for them.
Today's pic is ZD 241 inbound and waking up the town with a low pass... she was serious noisy when they turned up the wick..
Frank the yank..., just above...
Oct 13th, 2016 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse -1Ahhhhh, a VC10!
You are improving..., boyo...
Much prettier than that previous German Jagdflugzeug GmbH of yours...
That Vickers VC10 was a real nice British girl...!
Not as beautiful as her Russian father, Mr. Ilyushin IL62 though... :-)))
The last VC10 K4 to be precice.
Oct 13th, 2016 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Frank the Yank...
Oct 13th, 2016 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I just noticed in your comment five places above... that you are telling porkies again...
You say...:
“A simple typo.... however you told the world that the Strait was shallow and of no commercial significance.... selective memory.... ”
I say...:
Lets have a look at MercoPress's archive what it was said....... Shall we?...:
I said...:
”Magellan and Beagle Straits are, by the way, too narrow, to dangerous and too expensive (obligatory pilot services) to be of relevance for any international or national shipping except local coasters and cruise ships.“
... OBS!!!...: I said ”narrow“ not ”shallow“..
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/01/argentina-prepares-to-begin-drilling-in-malvinas-basin-in-second-half-of-2010/comments#comment12591
Poster Mr. Roger Lorton..., a retired Engrish bobby who has become a Prize Winning expert in the Engrish version of the Malvinas Issue..., currently in the payroll of the Falkland Islands Association Charity..., thanked me at the time for the correct info...:
”Thanks Think, I was wondering why I couldn't get any stats for shipping using the Strait/s“
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/01/argentina-prepares-to-begin-drilling-in-malvinas-basin-in-second-half-of-2010/comments#comment12591
Then you bragged in like a good Yank, Frank saying...:
”and in the strait itself pilotage is not compulsory..... Facts.. Think..stick to them..“
... Where is your simple typo???
I subsequently proved you completely wrong and made you eat some humble pie...
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/01/argentina-prepares-to-begin-drilling-in-malvinas-basin-in-second-half-of-2010/comments#comment12591
Soooo...
Don't try to use your ”selective” memory here, boyo...
There is an archivehere...
Chuckle chuckle..
I just wonder why praising the fact that our names are displaying again gets me downvotes. And I thought reddit was crazy ...
Oct 13th, 2016 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1They probably couldn't work out what Nicks meant and thought it something derogatory or bad...
Oct 13th, 2016 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't feel too bad Mr.Think will get downvotes no matter what he says...and like myself ...he'll probably be proud of them...
ps...now you only have one...
You are right Voice. I meant “Nicks” as in “nicknames”. Looks like we are being targeted by a defamatory attack. Someone has downvoted you as well.
Oct 14th, 2016 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chère Isolde...
Oct 14th, 2016 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse -1Responding to your post some 15 places above,... you may recall that I have told you many times that some of us, Viking descendants, are Pan-Scandinavians...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Nordic_cross_flags_of_Northern_Europe.svg/1280px-Nordic_cross_flags_of_Northern_Europe.svg.png
Lookee left there Thicko..... USS George Washington westbound in Paso Tortuoso.
Oct 15th, 2016 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What were you saying about narrow and used only by coasters?
Quit now before you make yourself look any more stupid....
Frank the Yank...
Oct 15th, 2016 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I lookee left and all I can see is yet another porkiee from an Anglo Turnipee...
That's the G. Washington allright..., but not at his crossing of paso Tortuoso...
You forgot to add some mountains..., boyo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vEkQ64qVKDM
actually about 10 miles further west ... simplified for your benefit.
Oct 16th, 2016 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you see the Chilean missile boat in the foreground... one of two in her esccrt... based in the south and ever ready to put the boot into the diegos as required.
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