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UK fishermen cheer Brexit: they could recover £ 400 million of fish and shellfish caught by EU vessels
Scottish fishermen have welcomed the publication of a report revealing the full extent of catches by foreign vessels in UK waters. Published by NAFC Marine Centre UHI in Shetland, and based on the European Commission’s most recent data, Dr Ian Napier’s report explains that more than half of the fish caught in British waters between 2012 and 2014 were taken by foreign fishing boats. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesUK fishermen cheer Brexit,,
Oct 12th, 2016 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not if the SNP , Labour , libdems , greens , remoaners , and the dictators in the EU get their way.
It seems Democracy is slowly turning away from the good to the bad.
so they say.
Oh wow 400 million recovered...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Back into the fishermen's pockets no doubt, not mine...
I don't care where my fish comes from...
How is this 400 million going to compare to the extra 3% tariff that every consumer will have to pay for goods from the EU...
As long as the fishermen are happy...eh!...
to the extra 3% tariff that every consumer will have to pay for goods from the EU...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1//////
more project fear or can you prove we will all have to pay 3%,
considering Britain is not going anywhere for the next 2 years,
you seem to have inside info 2 years ahead of the rest of us.
interesting.
Of course you must be right...
Oct 12th, 2016 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -3UK won't have to pay anything in...won't have to allow free movement and will have all the same benefits of free trade that exist presently...
For nothing....
Yay....!!!
This is Chubut calling....
Oct 12th, 2016 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2This message is for the real Mr. Voice, thee posts above...
As an average and auld Argie citizen I am..., obviously..., an absolute world class expert in inflation..., devaluation... et al.
I can assure you that that eventual 3% tariff increase due on a couple of years time is your least problem as a Brtish consumer...
The 20% Pound devaluation that has already happened will soon transfer to all the imported products you normally buy...
Even British produced items will increase their price...
...Why sell British potatoes cheap in England... when you can get 20% more in France?
Anyhow... I'm positive the United Kingdom of England and the sturdy Engrish people will survive...
Greetings...
El Think...
Malbec or Carmenere?
Oct 12th, 2016 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Carmenere of course!
I really can't see the EU giving up their current fishing rights easily. Another one for the negociating table.
Oct 12th, 2016 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2@Think
Oct 12th, 2016 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Luckily for us, inflation was at an all time low before the Brexit vote. Long may OPEC continue their disagreement!
And actually potatoes aren't the most popular for export - poor weight-to-value ratio. No doubt other foods are though, plus who is going to pick the fruit if EU immigrants are banned?
Supposing the government actually keeps their promise to build more houses though, they could actually solve most of the problem. Rent or mortgage is by far the greatest outgoing for most people my age, lowering that would make a lot of people a lot better off, enough to afford more expensive imports.
And don't worry, I'm sure we'll be around to plague you for many years to come...
@Escoses
I hope we keep the fishing rights, it would be nice if *someone* could benefit from this. The fishing towns near where I grew up were/are very deprived and had obviously suffered a lot from the common fisheries policy. One of the downsides of the EU.
@DemonTree, I do too. I'm from a fishing background in NE Scotland.
Oct 13th, 2016 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“UK fishermen cheer Brexit: they could recover £ 400 million of fish and shellfish caught by EU vessels”
Oct 13th, 2016 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse -1“UK fishing boats fishing elsewhere in EU waters, landed on average 90,000 tons of fish and shellfish, worth about £ 100 million.”
400 minus 100 = 300 less than the £ 350 million the UK pays to the EU each day, if we can trust the propaganda, so who cares?
It will be very interesting to observe if Brexit it will be an advantage or a disadvantage to the UK.
IMO quite a large number of pro-Brexit voters were caught by surprise by how many others who unexpectedly voted pro-Brexit.
Voice
Oct 13th, 2016 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse +4What you are saying is that you don't give a toss as long as it doesn't hit your pocket. So, if a UK business is closed down, moved over seas to cheepo land and people lose their jobs that's OK ?
As an aside, why have they made a balls up of this site ? It's almost impossible to follow now with things randomly appearing all over the screen
@Don Alberto
Oct 13th, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2That was £400m per year, whereas the figure for money paid to the EU was weekly (not daily) so it is pretty insignificant for the country as a whole, though it makes a big difference to some communities.
In any case that figure of £350m was deliberately inflated (and the claim about giving it to the NHS a flat out lie), the net amount is more like £160m per week, and the UK will lose a hell of a lot more than that if we leave the single market.
And no one should have been taken by surprise at the result, the polls just beforehand showed it was extremely close.
@EscoSesDoidao
I'm not from a fishing background but I grew up on the east coast, though somewhat to the south of you. :)
@Clyde15
At least they have put the names back on the comments now. That was very confusing!
It works okay for me on a PC, but on my mobile it looks how you are describing. Not enough testing!
Clyde...
Oct 13th, 2016 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Now you've made me look like a selfish tw@t...
I was really comparing the the relative cost of everything increasing in price to the expanding coffers of a few fisherman...
I always support local business even when it is slightly dearer than others...
Mercospress don't actually host the site I think it's still in the beta stages and will improve, folk must tell them to now add the numbering of each post...
A Clyde Steamer would be a good pic for you, you could lift it from Google put it into a simple paint program and add your name to the bottom and make sure you crop it into a square format so that it all fits in...
Or something like...
But if you were referring to someone at say 10 or 15 you now have to count back,
Oct 13th, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1no numbers does not help,
when I click on the article it will only show me some of the comments, I have to continually click on the comments next to the full article , to see them all,
Briton...
Oct 13th, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -2That is normal to save loading everything at once...only the top comments would be seen first usually by how many people have “liked” them...
Then if you want to see the rest.. you click all comments..
Clyde should be top comment now..two likes...
Question is, who is top dog?
Oct 13th, 2016 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Scotland stays in the EU they are stuffed then. No cod and chips! Well, theres always those Mars Bars
Oct 13th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Well, that confused Think - poor old chap!
Oct 13th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Geeeeeeeeee.....
Oct 13th, 2016 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1What did I say in me post above...
The price increases are starting now...
No Marmite on Tesco's shelves today...
... Dearer Marmite on Monday...
Looks like Tesco have reached an agreement with Unilever and Marmite is now back. Doesn't say how much the prices will rise though.
Oct 13th, 2016 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Unfortunately inflation is inevitable given the fall in the pound, it is predicted to reach 3% by the end of this year and 4% in 2017. Then if we have tariffs, which now seems likely, things will get even worse.
All the Brexiters are still in denial though, and will no doubt find someone else to blame soon enough.
So many are now trying to use Brexit as an excuse to do things,
Oct 14th, 2016 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1not on , should not be allowed.
Why should there be any inflation? Just raise interest rates to 5 or 6% and just watch how you bring inflation promptly under control.
Oct 15th, 2016 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse -4That's what the UK and the IMF would recommend to one of those “other” countries with pesky inflation problems. When the time comes why not take the medicine you preach?
Haha, interest rates are currently at .25%, so raising them to 5% would be a massive overkill!
Oct 15th, 2016 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse +4The guy in charge of setting the interest rate, Mark Carney, has already said he is willing to tolerate some excess inflation in order to avoid increasing unemployment. Inflation caused by the falling pound should be temporary anyway so it's not as necessary to do something about it.
But if inflation does get too high to tolerate, the Bank of England *will* raise the rates.
Our current government does follow the sort of economic theories the IMF preaches. They're happy to privatise public services, encourage free trade and impose austerity policies. Britain also experimented with a fixed exchange rate in the 90's by joining the ERM; it was a disaster, and the main reason we later stayed out of the Euro.
In fact many of Britain's privatised rail franchises are now run by state owned companies from other parts of Europe, so the profits go to other countries where they are used to improve public transport there. I have no idea how this makes any sense.
........................................................................., because it doen't make any sense...
Oct 15th, 2016 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2And, we are expecting increased catches of Toothfish and Squid from around our various South Atlantic territories. Win win for Blighty!
Oct 15th, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +4@DemonTree
Oct 17th, 2016 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1According to this, inflation is currently at 0.6% and will need to go some to reach 3% by the end of the year.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices
According to this, they predict 2.7% by 2020.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices
With a 3% tariff on everything going both ways and a £70bn trade deficit, you collect £2.1bn more than you pay in tariffs.
Allowing you to lift import tariffs on things you need to import to make things to export.
German car makers and Spanish/French agriculture pick up the bill.
There will be an impact to the UK no doubt, but not a nightmare scenario and certainly not un-liveable with or insurmountable.
There will also be an impact in Europe, big in some places, at a time when they really don’t need it.
Or, they could do a sensible deal, but don’t hold your breath on that one.
@Pugol-H
Oct 17th, 2016 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1There are various estimates for inflation here, I just took the first one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/inflation-how-high-will-it-go-following-the-brexit-vote/
Everyone agrees it's going to rise but that the effect of the falling pound will be short term. As for 2020, that will depend on what sort of deal, if any, we make with the EU.
The problem with simply subtracting EU imports from EU exports is that you can't assume these will remain the same. The 3% tariff will make British-made products less competitive in Europe. You may say the fall in the pound will counteract this, but most of our exports rely on imports, which will become equivalently more expensive, even without import tariffs.
The other issue is that manufacturing only accounts for a small share of the UK economy. Most of our GDP is from services (in particular the dreaded financial services), so if British firms are no longer free to operate in the EU on an equal basis, it will damage the UK economy.
This is a feature of the single market which is not normally included in trade deals, and not likely to be included in any deal post-Brexit.
Yes, there will also be an impact on Europe, but it wouldn't be very sensible for the EU to give Britain a more advantageous deal than it offers its actual members.
For the UK, it might be nice to keep free movement of capital, free movement of goods, freedom to provide services, and to drop the free movement of people. But for other members, it might be the other way around.
Perhaps Poland would like to prevent foreign companies competing with their domestic ones to provide services, while still allowing the free movement of people. Clearly in this scenario they can't both get their way, so the EU forces everyone to agree to the same rules. If countries are allowed to pick and choose which bits they want, the whole thing falls apart.
Agreed, mostly.
Oct 18th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the “one size fits all” is what has brought us to this in the first place, as happened with the Euro Vis a Vi Greece borrowing at German interest rates.
One mans “free movement of people” is another mans “uncontrolled migration”
In effect the EU could not deal with the very serious issues arising from internal migration, just as it has been completely unable to deal with the migrant crisis in the Mediterranean.
Principles like “the free movement etc” however high minded, have to work in practice or one way or another they are doomed.
Economies of less developed new member countries, needed to be given time to come more into line with the more developed rest.
@Pugol-H
Oct 18th, 2016 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do agree that the EU has some serious problems. Free movement of people worked fine when the EU was smaller and more uniform. Most people barely knew it existed.
But I can certainly understand why people object to the big demographic changes we have seen; although I think our government must take some of the blame for not dealing with the effects at all well.
After all, many of the other countries in the EU have a higher percentage of immigrant population than the UK, so why is it only considered a deal breaker here?
And I agree the EU's failure to deal effectively with the migrant crisis and with Greece contributed to the Brexit vote.
Really the Euro countries need to either bite the bullet and go for greater financial integration ASAP, or else drop the whole idea and return to their own currencies. The Euro as it was planned and currently operates was always doomed
But anyway these rules are going to be a problem for Britain now, since we're highly likely to lose access to the single market. Meaning the economy will continue to suffer in the longer term as well as in the short term.
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