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Clinton stays ahead in polls, but lead get narrower down by the minute with five days to go
Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump, 46%-42% natiowide, with data updated Thursday to include two new national surveys taken after Friday's revelation that the FBI would review new emails to assess The Decmocrate candidate's handling of classified material at the State Department. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWill the world feel safer and stronger,
Nov 04th, 2016 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2or
unsafe and weaker,
One feels for the American people, I only hope whoever wins, knows what they are letting themselves and America in for,
5 Days and counting...
Is Trump a leader who inspires the young?
Nov 04th, 2016 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1No, is the short answer.
Besides offering a lot of benefits to the country; are these candidates patriotic as well? To reframe the question; are they really so patriotic that they don't mind - not even a little bit - to spend billions of US$s [their own or of the “investors”] for their campaigns?
Nov 04th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -4@ :o))
Nov 05th, 2016 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Trump has spent the least money than any other contender in recent elections.
He has said that he even refused a fair sized donation from a life-long friend.
TheHil on the other hand has not. :o(
Which one will be beholding to big business and the military suppliers: it won't be Trump.
Now a little film music to inspire both candidates, enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-sX2Y0W8l0
I know I will. :o)
Trump is a foul human being. Any person that fails to see that is just as foul.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2While Trump without a doubt has plenty of shortcomings, but what about Hitlary ? who in their right mind can just sweep her disgusting behavior (with regards to her husband's sex adventures and her attacks on those who accused him), her lies (about the private server, deleting 32,000 e-mails after being subpoened ), her incompetence (benghazi fiasco where 4 US diplomats were murdered, advising BO to start the war that ended up by creating ISIS), the disappearance of USD 6 billion while Secretary of State, under the carpet ???
Nov 05th, 2016 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Neither is she anything to write home about. Surely with all the sh*t hitting the fan over the last 6 months, there was time for an independent to step up..and provide a decent 3rd option.
Bernie and Trump BOTH asked the awkward questions and addressed the issues that are elephant in the room, ignored by mainstream political candidates.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Unfortunately, Trump is a self-absorbed, childish narcissist, with no real understanding of how macro economics work.
He is hardly the role model and inspiration to youth that a President should be.
Trump: What not to do to be selected in a general election.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Cliton: Proof that it's impossible to cover the stench of feces.
@ Skip
Nov 05th, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“Any person that fails to see that is just as foul.”
Half of Trump supporters are racists, sexists, and other “deplorables” said Clinton.
So you think the American people, who are faced with a dog and a bitch race No bad intended) who decide to vote Trump 'are foul?'
I am amazed at that comment from you.
Skip,
Nov 05th, 2016 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Trump is a foul human being.”
While you have the right to your opinion on Trump, does that mean - if you had a vote - you'd “willingly” support Hillary ?
Mr JB
Nov 05th, 2016 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3It really comes down to, which of the 2 unsatisfactory candidates will do the most damage and should be shut out.
We've heard from the vocal outsiders here. What do US posters think?
Well, being a brit and thus no vote,
Nov 05th, 2016 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1as Jack Bauer,, stated all have an opinion,
but both are as bad or as good as each other,
and whoever gets in we [ the British government] and the rest of the world will have to talk and negotiate with the Americans,
so I think , whoever wins we all will have to live with it.
just my opinion.
I love how people like ChrisR, Jack Bauer and chronic continue to concentrate on Clinton's faults, it never ceases to amaze me how they fail to hold Trump to the same standard.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trump is a lying, mysogonistic, racist, lying sex offender who has never done anything for his country other than to shamelessly profit no matter who he stepped on.
Clinton has been pursued for a decade in a vain attempt by her detractors to find something to stick. And yet nothing does. Being accused of wrongdoing doesn't mean anything but it is constantly used as a reason to distrust Clinton.
Has Clinton made mistakes? Of course. Anyone who has had a career such as hers would have. However she is more experienced, trustworthy and qualified to be President.
Trump isn't and only an idiot would think he is a better choice.
Scipi, don't worry.
Nov 05th, 2016 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You don't live here.
Thank God!
Nov 06th, 2016 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse +2And your illiteracy is your best feature. LOL
What does Scotland have to do with Trump ? :-(
Nov 06th, 2016 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3Oh, right, nothing - told him to fck off!
Communism has been refuted/rejected SockMonkey/Skipi.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse -5Globalism and corporatism seem to be on the wane as well.
Whining by those disaffected by the above is definitely on the rise.
Adapt or deal with the consequences.
Embrace it.
Skip, It has been interesting to see the type of person here who is cheering for Trump. When you think about it, they displayed all the nasty characteristics of Trump long before he joined the race fro President. At the root of it all it has nothing to do with Clinton using the wrong email but simply that she is a woman.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse -2@ Skip
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse -1So what do the poor sods in America do? Vote for nobody?
@ ElaineB
It's impossible for you to tell the truth about any man, blinded as you are about the way your mother brought you up to 'stand up against men'.
I don't care that you appear to be a lesbian, like I don't care that Skip is a homosexual, but I do care that he appears to be veering off his usual considered posts in favour of something akin to those posted by the unstable Clinton wanabe on here: you.
I have never cheered for Trump and I consider him to be uneducated in dealing with people in a proper manner, but so do you and you should know better, being 'the success that you think you are'. (You posted that).
@ ChrisR Hahahahaha! You ARE Trump. (A very poor version).
Nov 06th, 2016 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot see that your comments are exactly the same as the uneducated, misogynist comments Trump makes about women. I don't agree with you so you call me a 'feminazi' or I must be a 'lesbian'. You are a sad, bigoted, old man.
Once again, I don't have a problem with men, I have a problem with YOU. Creep.
Old Bag: This good to know.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -3ChrisR, they vote for the least worse candidate. Trump's faults and shortcomings are greater than Clinton's and Clinton's experience is vastly greater than Trump's.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2No matter how you look at it.
That is called being pragmatic and not petulant.
Americans have created this idea that politics is a popularity contest. It isn't. It is making a choice between candidates that best serve your country and your own aspirations. So what, they're both bad candidates..... get over it and make a choice on what is best for the US not some disgruntled, poorly educated white person who feels disempowered because their country has created a winner-takes-all culture and they're not winning.
Trump epitomises the culture that has disempowered them.
How do you start to change that culture? A living minimum wage and increase educational opportunities (it is why we don't have this level of polarisation in the UK and Australia). But these aren't Trump policies they're Clinton policies.
Trade wars and fantastical dreams of running government like a business by a multiple bankrupt are not the answers.
Clinton's worst excesses are much easier to rein in by the establishment than Trump's.
Trump is a populist in the vein of Putin, Chavez and CFK and look at the damage they caused to their countries. Any damage a bad Clinton presidency would cause is much more easily fixed.
Chronic, it was for illiterates like you who can't spell, that my country invented the secret ballot where you just need to put an X. You (and most Trump supporters) are most welcomed!
lol.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Can't speak to the Brits but the wussies are too dispassionate to be polarized about anything.
With regard to choices:
Sometimes you have burn a field before you can replant it.
And bias:
You can argue individualism/collectivism untill you and your ilk are blue in the face but you can't change the reality of the impact of genitalia and hormones on decision making.
Testosterone enables responses generally unavailable in its absence.
You may occasionally find a Neanderthal that can contemplatively react with restraint but the converse is seldom in evidence and both ranges of functionality are necessary for a viable society.
It only now occurs to me that I had taken for granted that you were male in gender.
Perhaps I have misjudged your viewpoint.
@Skip,
Nov 06th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I love how people like ChrisR, Jack Bauer and chronic continue to concentrate on Clinton's faults, it never ceases to amaze me how they fail to hold Trump to the same standard.”
I don't particularly appreciate Trump, and Hillary, far less - but I'll say it again - while you have the right to your opinion about him, as well as about ChrisR's, chronic's and my posts, you didn't answer the question - are we to presume you love Hillary, but are just too ashamed to admit it ?
Quite frankly, I asked you because I was pretty sure how you'd answer it - or not.
“Clinton has been pursued for a decade in a vain attempt by her detractors to find something to stick”.
“Persued for a decade ???” rather dramatic, isn't it ? as for things to stick, what Hillary's accused of - lying ; using a private server for work related and/or classified e-mails, then deleting them after being subpoenaed; disastrous decisions while Secretary of State, leading to the creation of ISIS - HAS stuck...because it is true and not even she bothers to deny it ; instead, she has sidetracked and brushed aside her malfeasance as incompetence - despite her 'vast experience - to cover up serious offences...and she's only managed to convince her supporters because the average voter is not too bright, plus the fact the liberal press is on her side.
But before you start playing your liberal card, take good note that I do not support Trump either - I don't think either candidate is fit for the Presidency, that's why I have said I wish there could have been a 3rd option.
Your reaction was fully expected, as confirmed by your later posts to others, in which you show you are intolerant...I thought liberals were suposed to be (tolerant)...obviously not.
@ElaineB
“At the root of it all it has nothing to do with Clinton using the wrong email but simply that she is a woman.”
Really ? is it that simple to you ? “because she is a woman ?” I expected something more intelligent from you.
@ Jack Bauer
Nov 06th, 2016 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“Really ? is it that simple to you ? “because she is a woman ?” I expected something more intelligent from you.”
I always knew you were such an incorrigible optimist! :o)
Welcome to the ElaineB 'hate men club'.
Also Skipi:
Nov 06th, 2016 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The Clintons haven't been pursued for a decade.
They've been persecuted from Arkansas to DC to Arkansas to NY and around the globe and back - so much so that they have spawned and supported a veritable cottage industry of conspiracy theorists composed of authors, film producers, plaintiffs' attorneys, investigative reporters, novelty manufacturers and tour guides.
And they've subsidized the careers of hundreds of government investigators and prosecutors and private defense counsel and media spinners, political fixers, attack dogs and hatchet men.
Most Americans resent the idea of a third Obamy or Bill presidency much more than that of a first Hilly one.
Be it globalization or Fannie Mae implosion - Bill is viewed as the primary progenitor.
Obamy owns the failed economic recovery and the failed Obamy care and the arise of ISIS.
Theses views are memorialized in domestic media.
It is difficult to envision the volume of smoke generated going back to the Rose law firm, Whitewater, Tyson, Vince, etc. without at least some small flicker of flame to generate it.
Often the wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow - but they do grind.
JB
Nov 06th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You quoted Elaine in your response.
“@ElaineB
At the root of it all it has nothing to do with Clinton using the wrong email but simply that she is a woman.”
Then you went on to say,
”Really ? is it that simple to you ? “because she is a woman ?” I expected something more intelligent from you.“
Yet, immediately above your post, Chris R tells us exactly that - women are not capable of governing, based solely on their gender,
@ChrisR
”...you can't change the reality of the impact of genitalia and hormones on decision making.“
”Testosterone enables responses generally unavailable in its absence.“
ChrisR shows us that such intolerant dinosaurs do exist, and their demographic of disenfranchised disillusioned baby-boomers may well embrace that same sentiments.
Despite what Snr. Chronic says, half a century of US involvement in the Middle East, an invasion of Iraq on the pretence of looking for WMD, costing $T's, ten years of Bush governance before a catastrophic mortgage crisis and Economic collapse, followed by a GOP
initiative to 'prevent Obama from being able to govern'.
That's the Testosterone model of leadership - how did that work out?
It's all troll BS.
@jack
” are we to presume you love Hillary, but are just too ashamed to admit it“
Why must one ”love” Hillary to vote for her over Trump?
And what's with the childish 'public shaming'?
Mr. Skip has very clearly stated that neither candidate is ideal, and it is a matter of degree as to which is least damaging.
Skip seems more reasoned and objective.
By comparison, it looks like Chronic's testosterone and insecurities are running unchecked.
Oop! I thought Kanye was a dude too! Mea culpa!
Nov 06th, 2016 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@ chronic
Nov 06th, 2016 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Testosterone enables responses generally unavailable in its absence.”
Many worse people people than you have thought so, like the Junta in Argentina who believed that Thatcher wouldn't fight for the Falklands because she was a woman.
And who would be more likely to fight for them today, May or Corbyn?
“Sometimes you have burn a field before you can replant it.”
Trump is like a child playing with matches. We can only hope that if he wins he doesn't burn the whole country to the ground.
“Most Americans resent the idea of a third Obamy or Bill presidency much more than that of a first Hilly one.”
What you mean to say is, most of the Americans who watch Fox news believe those things.
Your list conveniently misses out Bush II, who 'owns' the Afghan and Iraq wars that so destabilised the Middle East, and the disastrous Financial Crisis that the world has still not recovered from.
@ Jack Bauer
I don't think it's as simple as Clinton being a woman. But I think people would be more willing to forgive her for her faults if she was more likable, and one of the main things certain people don't like about her is that she is a powerful woman. So it does contribute.
I would vote for almost anyone over Trump, but I agree it's a shame there is no third option. The two party system in America has a lot to answer for.
I think if Hillary wins the result will be that not a lot will change, whereas Trump's populist policies would likely be a massive change for the worse. So whatever their personal defects, I think Hilary is the safer and saner option as President.
Chronic insinuates that one must be a homo or a woman to vote for Hillary.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3ChrisR,
Am I wrong, would you take the vote away from women?
Dumbass, Monkey!
Nov 06th, 2016 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Neither Laura nor Jeb are the nominee.
Another reasoned and convincing argument from chronic, I think we can all agree.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +2ChrisR
Nov 06th, 2016 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2My apologies, it looks like I attributed Chronic's most unpalatable comments to you.
My Mistake:
“You can argue individualism/collectivism untill you and your ilk are blue in the face but you can't change the reality of the impact of genitalia and hormones on decision making.”
and
”Testosterone enables responses generally unavailable in its absence“
Both statements by ”Chronic”
Kanye, there's nothing wrong with being female - after all, your mother was too!
Nov 06th, 2016 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Monkey, a Trump presidency wouldn't represent another term of Bush policies - accordingly your attempt at his inclusion in the comparatives is nonsensical given the context in which Obamy/Bill's were cited.
Your ox gored himself and as loyal as you are to his memory and as vested as you appear to be in his policies and administration - you are not him.
In matter of fact, I find it quite likely that you could not have not have performed worse in position than he has - were you a naturalized citizen.
@ chronic
Nov 06th, 2016 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Thank you for demonstrating to the sceptics that some people *are* opposed to Clinton because she is a woman.
It's true that Trump would not represent a third term for the Bush family, but blaming problems from Bush's presidency on his successor and predecessor is disingenuous. Apart from the fact that the chaos in Iraq caused by Bush's war directly allowed ISIS to grow and take hold there, it was the fact that the Iraq war was so disastrous that made the current administration reluctant to intervene in Syria.
Did you want them to spend American lives and money trying to stop the civil war there, only to leave another power vacuum like in Iraq?
Now Trump is different of course. His foreign policy plan is for isolationism, withdrawing from the world and abandoning America's allies, leaving a smaller, less powerful and less influential America. But never mind. I'm sure Russia and China will be more than happy to fill the vacuum you leave.
Monkey, it's not gender.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -4It's not her liberal lip service.
It's not her globalism.
It's not her corporatism.
She won't subject herself to the rule of law - never has, never will.
Chronic
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Quite perplexed why my gender on an anonymous forum has you questioning anything.
Honestly why bother?
Considering your illiteracy, your vacuousness really doesn't come as a surprise.
Lucky voting only requires you to write an X..... again you're welcome.
Enjoy burning down the farm!
And did you just hear? FBI just cleared Clinton AGAIN..... oh dear.
Nothing has changed, sister.
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -6She's the same bottom feeder that slithered out the cesspool of Arkansas political patronage and corruption.
@ chronic
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +3What a shock that your opinion is completely unaffected by new facts.
Other people may consider small matters like whether she is actually guilty or not to be quite important, and according to the FBI she is not.
Chronic
Nov 06th, 2016 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“... it's not gender.”
“...you can't change the reality of the impact of genitalia and hormones on decision making.”
and
”Testosterone enables responses generally unavailable in its absence“
Both statements by ”Chronic” to explain that Hillary as a woman, was unfit to govern.
Then there is the GOP's old saw about Obama causing the mortgage crisis, global economic meltdown in 2008, before he became President in 2009, and de-stablising the Middle East by invading Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001
- all that happened in enlightened BUSH Republican era with VP Cheney along for the corporate profits of ”rebuilding”.
Second email investigation complete and FBI announce Clinton faces no charges. Of course! It was all a nonsense that should never have been announced, especially so close to an election. Heads should roll for that.
Nov 07th, 2016 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0An accomplish, strong woman scares the bejesus out of men so they constantly smear her.
I reckon the Election result is very easy to predict...
Nov 07th, 2016 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0...by asking yourself a simple question....
Would you trust the majority of Yanks to make a smart choice...
ElaineB
Nov 07th, 2016 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse +3Doubt is strategically sown just before the election- emails of paramount importance, and after just a few days publicly dismissed.
A very damaging non-event - one thatbwas tidied up very quickly- in fact they had time to have decided there was nothing of concern, without having had to announce it and jeopardise her chances.
Trump was right after all - the election is fixed.
Oh dear, the New York Chief of the FBI who put the Teflon Don in jail has stated publically that the Clintons and The Clinton Foundation should be investigated under special legislation designed to convict Mafia Bosses. “ How can an organisation taking in multi-millions of dollars and disclosing the charitable giving amounts to LESS than 10% without stating what happens to the rest?”
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Rapist gets between U$D 750,000 to U$D 1,500.000 per after dinner 'speech''.
Graft anybody?
In comparison, Trump's wife did work as a model without having a Green Card. No doubt that well known feminazi on here will defend her to the hilt, or not, I bet it's NOT.
@ChrisR
Nov 07th, 2016 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I try to see the good side of people - but sometimes it ain't easy.
@ Kanye
My quote of, and disagreement with ElaineB's simplistic reasoning, that Hillary is being demonized “just” because she is a woman, is because it's the kind of argument you hear from people when they can't find any other reason to defend her...It is obvious that women's ability to govern cannot be based on their gender - look at Thatcher, better than most men. And my opinion of Hillary has nothing to do with the fact she's a woman....now, on the other hand, while she might be the lesser of two evils, she has only gotten to where she has because of Bill...if she hadn't had him as a stepping stone, she'd be a notorious nothing on the political scene.
As to my comment to Skip, “are we to presume you love Hillary, but are just too ashamed to admit it”, was simply to get a reaction out of him, as to me, his statement “I love how people like ChrisR, Jack Bauer and chronic continue to concentrate on Clinton's faults, it never ceases to amaze me how they fail to hold Trump to the same standard”, seems to be a clear insinuation that because I don't like Hillary, I was a supporter of Trump...wrong. While Trump is guilty of being a baffoon, Hillary is guilty of actual crimes - somewhat different. My intention was to see if he'd admit his support of Hillary in view of his manifest 'hate' for Trump and his condescending approach towards the former. Nothing more, nothing less.
@DT
”I don't think it's as simple as Clinton being a woman”.....my opinion as well ; that she wields power, no doubt about it, especially since the BO administration is going out of it's way to back her up. Despite her bad decisions while Secretary of State, failings which could be attributed to many men as well, what pisses me off are her lies and feeble excuses about her private server and the deletion of thousands of e-mails - both work-related and many classified - after being subpoenaed by the DOJ
Voice
Nov 07th, 2016 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Would you trust the majority of Yanks to make a smart choice.
Didn't you say your wife was an American? If so, did she make a smart choice ?
@JB
Nov 07th, 2016 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My comment about Clinton was actually directed at ChrisR. He despises Clinton because she is a woman. Just as he speaks in pejorative terms about all women - giving them tabloid, derogatory nicknames, insulting their looks, displaying an unhealthy interest in their menstrual cycle etc.
I don't believe a lot of the smears about Hillary Clinton, neither do I believe she should be pilloried for her husband's behaviour. Do I like her? Not much. Do I think she is better qualified to be President than Trump? Absolutely. Do we want an isolationist, misogynist, racist, pervert with limited mental ability and a revengeful temper or someone who used the wrong email?
It is interesting how not many people seem to realise Trump is under investigation for fraud.
@ Jack Bauer
Nov 07th, 2016 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“she has only gotten to where she has because of Bill...if she hadn't had him as a stepping stone, she'd be a notorious nothing on the political scene.”
That's probably true, but on the other hand I'm not sure Bill would have got where he did without Hillary's support and, well, pushing to achieve his (their) ambitions.
Is Hillary guilty of any actual crimes? I thought she had been cleared of anything criminal, although her private email server was surely a security risk and does show poor judgement.
But I think Trump is guilty of more than just being a buffoon. His claim that the elections are rigged has the potential to cause actual violence if he loses, quite apart from undermining democracy in America. And his threatening to send Hillary to jail during one of the debates shocked even his own party. We do not want to see the President of America abusing the legal system to persecute opponents à la Venezuela!
As well as that, his lack of regard for truth and facts, and constant insulting of all and sundry have lowered the already woeful standard of debate in America even further.
@ ElaineB
Is this about Trump University? Why is the Clinton campaign not making more use of it if so?
@ DT
Nov 07th, 2016 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Is Hillary guilty of any actual crimes? I thought she had been cleared of anything criminal,”
No, she isn't and that is annoying the hell out of Trump. He based his campaign on trashing Clinton - lets face it, he has no policies.
The Clinton campaign seem to have taken the view that they didn't need to trash Trump because he was shooting himself in the foot. They just had to step back and watch him do it. That changed the last couple of weeks as Trump tried to control himself at the mic.. We have seen Obama and other Clinton supporters going on the attack. Hillary just repeats Trumps own words that condemn him.
I am sure they decided that to pull up Trump's investigation would just throw more light on Hillary's. Hillary is not guilty of any crime and will not be prosecuted but it doesn't stop Trump calling her a crook.
@ElaineB
Nov 07th, 2016 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“My comment about Clinton was actually directed at ChrisR”....
Now that that is cleared up, we can move on. I didn't dislike Hillary all that much until she became Secretary of State, where she started to show her true colours. While, and I repeat, while I don't support Trump, Hillary cannot be trusted - not that any politician really can, but when you learn of specific incidents in which she bungled things - to put it lightly - and then tried to cover it all up, and make it go away, as simple carelessness, it makes you wonder what else she has, and will, lie about...
“Is Hillary guilty of any actual crimes? I thought she had been cleared of anything criminal”
The fact that the FBI has decided to not persue indictment, especially after going back & forth, also makes one wonder about how much pressure the DOJ and the FBI received from the White House, to dismiss all potential charges...the e-mail issue is, in my opinion, pretty damned serious - and the probability of classified information ending up in the hands of unfriendly foreign powers is no fantasy - but the fact that they decided to not go after her, appears to be rather more a political decision than a legal one, so as far as I'm concerned, the fact they “cleared” her does not necessarily mean she is innocent.
@DT
”That's probably true, but on the other hand I'm not sure Bill would have got where he did without Hillary's support and, well, pushing to achieve his (their) ambitions“...
Perhaps, but it's a lot like the proverbial ”chicken and egg“...
” His claim that the elections are rigged has the potential to cause actual violence if he loses, quite apart from undermining democracy in America”.
Although in the last debate, Hillary pretended she was shocked at his statement that he would not accept the result of the election, there is not enough space here to go into detail, but it's not the first time results have been disputed - and by the democrats.
@JB
Nov 07th, 2016 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Although in the last debate, Hillary pretended she was shocked at his statement that he would not accept the result of the election, there is not enough space here to go into detail, but it's not the first time results have been disputed - and by the democrats.”
But you know that was a completely different set of circumstances. Under Florida law there had to be a recount, so the result was not in. That is not the same as not accepting the result.
@ElaineB
Nov 07th, 2016 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“....that was a completely different set of circumstances.”
That is oversimplifying what happened. May I suggest that you google “guess who else refused to accept the result of presidential elections ?” for the full story...
Just fyi, the 1st paragraphs :
”Americans face a stunning situation this morning: a presidential candidate who refuses to accept the results of a presidential election.
I’m speaking, of course, of Hillary Clinton.
As Jim Geraghty notes in National Review this morning, Hillary told fundraisers in 2002 that George W. Bush was “selected, not elected” in 2000.
If that phrase sounds familiar, it’s because it’s been a recurring theme for Democrats for almost 16 years now. It’s a mantra that has been repeated by everyone from Joe Biden (who said Al Gore “was elected president of the United States of America”) to Jimmy Carter (who said there is “no doubt in my mind that Gore won the election”) to Jonathan Chait (who wrote a piece titled “Yes, Bush v. Gore Did Steal the Election”).
Yes, Democrats have been rewriting the 2000 election for years, saying that Al Gore really won. But until the last 12 hours or so, I never heard their new revisionist history: that Al Gore in fact graciously surrendered power. The very same Chait who still alleges fraud in 2000 is claiming that Al Gore conceded, end of story”.
There is a lot more to the article, but by the look of it, the Democrats' pretence shock is just another case of the kettle (Democrats) calling the pot (Republicans) black.
Hillary may take on this saintly aura, but she doesn't kid me.
@JB I don't need to google it I watched it at the time. The law in Florida had to be adhered to.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse -1I don't think Clinton claims to be a saint at all. Is she the best Democratic candidate? Not in my opinion but she is the choice for this election. Is Trump the best Republican candidate? Hell, no! The man is a narcissistic snake-oil salesman patently unqualified for the job.
Now all we can do is wait for the result.
@ Jack Bauer
Nov 08th, 2016 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse -2“I don't need to google it I watched it at the time. The law in Florida had to be adhered to.”
In other words, no matter what the frozen faced Hil does or says, EB will “stand up against the men”.
EB
“ He despises Clinton because she is a woman. Just as he speaks in pejorative terms about all women - giving them tabloid, derogatory nicknames, insulting their looks, ......displaying an unhealthy interest in their menstrual cycle etc.”
That is SO funny, even for you.
The only female I have ever questioned about the M word is YOU, and why, because for many months you exhibited the mentally affected skewed hormone phase by insulting nearly everyone on here but me especially.
You have a very weird view of men and women if it comes to it, preferring the 'feminist' offshoot above all else. You claimed you were too young to be entering into M even though, as I advised you then, many women are undergoing detectable changes as young as FORTY.
I suppose it's your propensity to lie about anything if it doesn't suit you warped view that makes you a Hillary addict.
Knock yourself out attempting to berate me at every turn, I will stick with REAL women.
PS IF The Hil manages to scrape the election do you think she will still be above ground in time to lie the oath in January or will there be the final chucking her in the Transit van when her brain finally gives up the struggle?
To the Americans on here:
Do you think that this fiasco will result in real changes to the rather convoluted 'Electoral College' which denies almost everybody a true vote of their own?
Just a thought.
@ ChrisR
Nov 08th, 2016 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse -1There you go again, insulting her looks. What has that to do her ability to be President?
““I don't need to google it I watched it at the time. The law in Florida had to be adhered to.”
In other words, no matter what the frozen faced Hil does or says, EB will “stand up against the men”.”
How does your twisted mind get from 'needing to adhere to Florida law' to mean 'standing up to men'? You have so many issues and you seem to be looking to hang them on me however tenuous the subject. Your posts are full of disgusting comments about women, can you not see that?
You are embarrassing yourself again. My holding a different opinion to you and disagreeing with you can only be explained by YOU as 'hormones'. That is classic misogynist thinking. I disagree with you when I think you are wrong. That's all.
Do you meet TTT on your visits to conspiracy theory sites or do you get all your nonsense from the tabloids?
@ElaineB
Nov 08th, 2016 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“@JB I don't need to google it I watched it at the time. The law in Florida had to be adhered to”
While I never said the Law should have been broken, my point is that the Democrats are notorious for using the good old double standard...fully expected. I also accompanied the whole rigmarole back in 2000, and I only suggested you google it in order to refresh your memory. Why dismiss what happened in 2000 with a simple “The law in Florida had to be adhered to”, and make such a fuss now ? In principle, what has changed ? Not much, except that it appears to be quite OK to cast doubt upon, and challenge the result 'after' the election (2000), but not 'before' (now) ?
@JB It has been revisited recently in the run-up to this election after Trump refused to say he would accept the result if he lost. (But would accept it if he won) You don't think there are double standards on both sides? I do. The whole system is full of double standards.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Trump making out there is huge voter fraud undermines US democracy. I do not believe this is true and would accept the result if Trump won. (I don't vote in US elections but have an opinion).
Trump is a dangerous narcissist woefully prepared to be President and it bothers me that someone as nasty as him could be Leader of the Free World. I will say again, I am not a huge fan of Clinton's but of the two I prefer her. JMO It has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with the consequences of who wins.
@ElaineB
Nov 08th, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1OK, I'll concede that the Republicans aren't much better, but the use of double standards, as well as calculated cynicism seems to be in the DNA of the democrats. I see a strong parallel between the Democrats in the US and the PT in Brazil....lie your way out of a problem, even it it means contradicting what you just said two days ago ; I am not a fan of political correctness, flaunted by the democrats and socialists, as it is just a way to cover up the inconvenient truth.
The funny thing is that people (both in the US and out) believe that by claiming 'huge voter fraud' undermines democracy - I don't think so, much to the contrary - if it shakes up the 'establishment' and gives it a chance to review procedures in order to try to eliminate any possibility of fraud, then good ; and the accusation does not seem so absurd either - I presume you've seen the dozens of videos (secretely filmed) which portray Democrat campaign leaders, suggesting and condoning fraud and that “it's OK and we must do whatever it takes”...to win...hard to ignore this. While I'm pretty sure that the democrats too, have their spies amongst the Republicans, and despite the liberal press, I have seen no videos proving attempts at fraud by the Republican campaign. I'm unaware of how the Law sees it in the US, but in Brazil, the use of the government machine (taxpayer funds) to support a candidate, is illegal...despite complaints from the opposition, not much is done to look into it...seems much the same in the US. To finalize, neither am I a fan of either candidate, but I dislike Hillary more.
@JB O.K. then. We agree to disagree.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2@ElaineB
Nov 08th, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1OKAY...
@TWIMC : would be interesting to know who the numbnuts is that gives posts negative points....if you don't agree with what is said, presumably you have a contrary opinion...why not post it instead ? perhaps because your opinion not worthwhile reading ?
@JB The whole tick up and down is really pointless. Many of the people on here have more than one log-in and whereas they used them to post in support of their posts - they were always easy to spot -, they now use them to boost their posts with +'s and -'s anyone they disagree with. They may not disagree with the post but the poster.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1But you make a good point. Why don't they post an opinion?
@ Jack Bauer
Nov 08th, 2016 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1On Clinton's email investigation, it is possible the FBI were pressured to clear her quickly. It's also possible that Comey , a Republican, decided to announce the investigation at the worst possible time in order to damage her campaign. The declaration that they had not found anything new really came to late to undo the damage.
If there is really voter fraud then it ought to be investigated. But if it's not true then the accusation will be very damaging because people will no longer trust democracy. I think the fact that Trump is happy to accept the results if they go in his favour is part of what bothers people. If there is fraud it should be investigated either way no matter who wins.
In the 2000 election it was really in doubt who had won, and the result could possibly have been reversed if the recount had been allowed to continue. But Gore did accept the Supreme Court verdict and conceded.
This is interesting actually, though only a minor case. A story about a Trump supporter who voted twice and said it was because she was afraid her vote would be changed:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-with-voting-twice-in-iowa/
Stories about vote fraud causing actual voter fraud!
Anyway none of us have a vote so we will just have to wait and see now.
Oh, and I think some people are just too lazy to post their opinion, and some aren't brave enough. While others just downvote everyone they dislike; I notice that Voice is nearly always downvoted, even when he says something innocuous.
@ DT That's my point. It is nothing to do with the content of the post.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I upvoted you both back to zero. :)
Nov 08th, 2016 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2But I sometimes just upvote people if I agree, there is no point in a post saying 'me too'.
@DT Yes, that is what it is there for. :)
Nov 08th, 2016 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I often read in UK papers (yes we do get them here at Garvey's and Centra supermarkets) and on the BBC news website that the EU referendum has left the UK a divided society.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Anybody think that this election may cause the same problem in the US?
US society is already very polarized and partisan.
Nov 08th, 2016 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Bernie would have been the real “candidate for change”
Kanye, do you live in the USA? I don't think you have ever said.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse -1Watching US Election on BBC “ its about race”
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse -1According to the exit polls the old and the uneducated have been voting for Trump...
Nov 09th, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse -4The young and the educated voting for Clinton...
Kinda mirrors the Brexit vote....
What is it about the old and uneducated that attracts them to insanity....
Looks like the world is going back to basic survival skills. I don't think that I have a particular vantage point from which to judge any country's electorate behaviour, but I see a clear swing towards a less sophisticated and more effective political system.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Professional politicians are perceived as having muddied the waters too much. This will remain true whether Trumps wins or not.
Well, it looks like The Clown won. Canadian immigration website crashes - predictable in hindsight. I foresee some awkward diplomatic encounters in a couple of months.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and so many ironies: GoP controls Congress, but not the incumbent leader-in-chief, who is effectively an independent. I've never seen so much distaste for a candidate from his own party's establishment.
Our foreign ministers' statement:“We will work with the hand we have been given”, will be echoed, privately or otherwise, by many foreign govts. A ringing endosement it ain't.
I'm not surprised but I am disappointed.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse -1Congratulations America, I hope you enjoy your interesting times and please don't burn down the rest of the world in the process.
Interesting times indeed. The coffin dodgers have spoken. We'll now see if he actually impliments his many controversial policies.? Democrats must be kicking themselves they went for an establishment candidate. The lobbyists will be quaking. A Republican landslide. A true Brexit moment for America.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am interested to see who will fill the void of superpower?
Nov 09th, 2016 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse -3Dangerous times ahead but it won't be the 'coffin dodgers' who suffer the most but their grandchildren.
@ Voice
Nov 09th, 2016 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Old people are so entitled, they think the government owes them a living even though their labour is no longer economical. They want everything handed to them and aren't willing to put in the effort to find employment in the changing economy. Why don't they just stop complaining and move 2,000 miles away so they can compete against Mexican immigrants for those great fruit-picking jobs?
Many aggrieved folk in the Rust Belt and retirees voted for the Donald. He is seen as their only hope. They wouldn't work for $2 a day so their work left America. Lots of folks want the entrenched matey political elite banished. I don't think these people think the world owes them a living, America is a can do energetic place where people generally relish the dignity of work. Obama never helped them, they didn't believe Hillary would. Thats why Donald won, lots are sick of the status quo. Like here, America is in the process of raising the minimum wage. It will be interesting to see if Trump persists with this.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting isn't it that the U S economy has been driven by ever cheaper goods. If they stopped importing foreign good and only bought American made goods they would soon be complaining about the cost.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -3So TRUMP is now the president, who'd have thunk it?
Nov 09th, 2016 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me actually because of the stupid polls were claiming accuracy when they polled just over 500 people by landline phone!
Then we get those on here saying the don't trust statistics - I have news for you, they were not statistically true polls!
Try reading the actual comments from both sides of the debate shown in the digital editions. It was the working people of America who turned out in force to kick TheHil into touch.
I bet she leaves the country before she gets arrested.
TheHill, a dem biased paper has been VERY circumspect today, as well they may be.
And yes, I agreed with TRUMP that the CNN, etc. 'polls' were not correct, they weren't even polls.
“I am interested to see who will fill the void of superpower?” It won't be you favourite: the EU, if they are still in one piece after A50 is triggered. Holland is about to give them a nasty shock.
AND, it won't be the Remoaners either, even though certain of them think they can.
It was close but it seems (at least at the moment) that HRC came out ahead in the popular vote (by about 100,000 votes), though the electoral college carried the day for Trump. There was some discussion of the potential for that earlier.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The real question remains: if the Democrats in the US really wished to retain the presidency, why did they pick a candidate that by every objective measure would be so widely reviled and repudiated? Surely this was an exercise in arrogance rarely seen outside of Argentina and the streets of Chicago in 1968. To be beaten by someone as dubious as Trump must be one of the most humiliating events in recent history.
@ The Voice
Nov 09th, 2016 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I wasn't serious, it's an impression of what older people like to say to young people when we complain there are no decent jobs available and the economy is f****d. “You just need to work harder, I started with nothing etc etc.”
When it happens to them though? It turns out the world *does* own them a living. No crappy minimum wage jobs for them, no retraining to do something else. It's the government's fault and Trump will fix it.
Now, I happen to think they're right, it is the government's job to build an economy that works for everyone. If their policies put people out of work they should have dealt with the effects, provided retraining, encouraged people to move to where there was work, whatever. But the Trump voters mostly did not agree until it affected them.
And Elaine is right that bringing those jobs back to the US and paying US wages to the workers will come at a cost to the consumer. Maybe they are willing to pay higher prices for goods to have those jobs back? Or maybe they'll be driving to Canada to buy their iPhones in a few years' time, just like the Argentines driving to Chile.
@ ChrisR
“I am interested to see who will fill the void of superpower?”
So who are you rooting for, Russia or China? I forget which one your current government is closer to.
Well folks...
Nov 09th, 2016 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I did say the result was easy to predict...;-))
@ DT
Nov 09th, 2016 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -3ChrisR was quoting my question about 'the super power filling the void'. He is obsessed with me. All the people on here that are against Trump but notice he directs all his posts at me, or quotes me. He once tried to find me in real life - that is how creepy he is.
In general, you are right that Trump has promised much 'from day one' and he will have very pissed off old, white men when he can't deliver immediately. He can't. It's impossible. He doesn't have that kind of power. Look how upset the Leavers are that we haven't already cut all ties with the EU. What Trump is proposing will take longer than the average American is prepared to wait; they are used to instant gratification. Actually, what he is proposing is ridiculous.
The addled old brains have bought from the snake-oil salesman and they will soon realised they were conned. Or maybe they will be dead before they realise.
What I want to know is will we get to see those tax returns now?
Trump is undoubtably a **** **** (fill in the blanks yourself), but, he will expect things to get done and won't be patient with obsfucation like we are presently getting from Wonder Woman. It will be slash and burn in Washington, about time, wish we could have some of that in Westminster too. He is a businessman used to negotiation, a bit of a bully looking to strike deals on trade and all sorts. It wouldnt surprise me to see America line up with Russia to attempt to halt the slaughter in tbe Middle East. He likes Britain and our Brexit credentials and hopefully that will be good for us. Merkels highly qualified Trump welcome speech probably went down like a lead baloon. The EU and non performing NATO members are going to have to watch it. As for SA, he said it, treat the,US like you want to be treated, or else..
Nov 09th, 2016 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ The Voice
Nov 09th, 2016 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I think you are, like Trump, overestimating the power of the President. He can't treat Congress like his illegal under-paid workers. or the investors he stiffed. He has to work with the system and he is woefully unqualified for that.
Remember how Obama was stopped from doing pretty much anything and he at least had the Democrats on side. Trump doesn't even have the full backing of the GOP.
He will make a lot of noise and put his family and pals in powerful jobs. Anyone who agrees with him 100%. But his bombastic style won't cut it.
Trump serves Trump. No one else.
These are going to be interesting times but not good times. I see the US going the same way at the UK after Brexit. Less powerful, less influence, devaluation of the currency, inflation and most likely recession. Still, at least the White Supremacists are happy.
Elaine, the difference is Obama is a democrat gridlocked by a Republican Congress. Congress will be a restraining factor to Trump but not handcuffs. Lots of horse trading will go on. The Pork Barrel will figure large. The activity of lobbyists for Corporations in Washington is a total disgrace.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your views on Brexit, in the EU we had practically no influence anywhere, currently about as influential as Ruritania. Outside the EU as a trading nation things are in our own hands not in the hands of unknown European political midgets. Devaluation will revive and benefit many of our exporting businesses thats why JCB and Dyson, both major export successes support Brexit. White supremacists may be happy now but lets wait and see what he does. I think there will be divergence toning down the rhetoric. I hope I'm right.
My regret is that I didn't have a bet like I did successfully on Brexit. :-(
“He can't treat Congress like his illegal under-paid workers...”
Nov 09th, 2016 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, both houses of the congress there appear to be solidly republican now. And the chances for filling the vacancy on their supreme court with a moderate conservative are now pretty good.
Curious how so much of the blue-collar working class in the US, traditionally or at least largely democrat in recent decades, fell in with the republicans in this election.
But then again, the wound was probably self inflicted. As someone mentioned in the New York Times, “Fundamentally Clinton, as it turns out, was the worst candidate Democrats could have run.....”
The pogroms next year will be interesting to watch. From a distance.
Elaine,
Nov 09th, 2016 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You are right to an extent.
Trump will be expected to deliver.
He made a lot of promises of action to a population tired of inaction and unfulfilled promises.
Obama had his hands tied by the House and Senate.
Trump has a Republican majority in both the House and Senate, and he will be able to able to push through many of his popular initiatives with little opposition.
The DNC should have gone with Bernie - he had overwhelming popular support too, but he was a loose cannon as far as the Establishment was concerned.
Besides, “it was Hillary's turn”
I don't think a lot of the things Trump has promised are popular with Republicans. They always have one eye on re-election so some of his dumber ideas are not going to get popular support.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1How many things will he get done 'on day one?' None. Remember Bachelet and her 100 promises? That went really well. Over promise and you are bound to disappoint.
The stock market should be going wild in shares of Construction companies.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be an immediate start of the 1989 mile long wall at the US/Mexican border
He will have to increase spending to employ battalions of immigration officers to weed out the illegal aliens.
Yes. America will be booming !
@DT
Nov 09th, 2016 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I think that the FBI investigation was carried out 'sloppily' ; After Hillary's failed attempt to cover things up, and eventually admitting being (extremely) careless, she thought she'd get away with a rap on the knuckles. Had it not been for interference by the DOJ - now itself under investigation by the FBI - she might even have been forced to step down months ago. But I reckon we'll never know the full story.
The fact that there were accusations - and evidence, to some extent - of voter fraud (and perhaps also by campaign officials with the power to tamper with results), I believe that truth - whichever it is - instead of 'undermining' democracy, would strengthen it.
Thanks for 'upvoting' us again, but it seems that there is more than one poster with OCD, or a ''twitchy finger'.
Anyway, time will tell what the US is in for .
@ElaineB
“It is interesting isn't it that the U S economy has been driven by ever cheaper goods. If they stopped importing foreign good and only bought American made goods they would soon be complaining about the cost.”
While in principle your observation is correct, surely there is a happy medium between exporting jobs and the inevitable results. Brazil went though a similar process : while selling commodities to China, it bought products already locally manufactured, and due to the imports' competitiveness (comparatively low cost for labour), ended up killing several important Brazilian industrial sectors, footwear and textiles being hit the hardest, and contributing to massive unemployment. While the people may (initially) rejoice at the low prices, few realize the perverse effects of not taking a balanced approach to this policy. In the long term, trade has to be good for both sides, or it's a bad deal.
Calm down folks! Don't fall for the Democrats shit storm against Trump that failed so spectacularly in attracting votes to the Hil.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Trump will do what all new presidents do and that is to pull in his horns a little whilst retaining some of his 'promises'.
I cannot see him moving to build the wall whilst at the same time accepting the products that Mexico desperately needs to move into the US.
Ford, GM, VW and other build some of their most reliable vehicles on the new line inside new factories in Mexico. This 'new' concept of making GOOD cars for once has won them new customers. They will not accept any wacky ideas that they think Trump will come up with and I don't think he is the buffoon that many on here claim so I am confident it just will not happen.
EB
If I am Creepy, you must be The Creepess. Keep chucking the insults, I will keep them coming back at you.
One thing that Trump and the republican house and senate will likely quickly agree on is the end of the Obama health-care business.
Nov 09th, 2016 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1And then a more serious investigation into HRC's crimes, with a White House that doesn't forbid the Justice Department's pursuit of prosecution. Maybe even some people caught in obstruction of justice. Still a possibility that Obama will pardon some of the guilty, ergo, HRC herself.
It will all be interesting to watch.
Don't say I didn't tell yall, yall don't get it.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse -1You are not...THE “yankeeboy”....
Nov 10th, 2016 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You were previously “Condorito”
So no you didn't...“tell y'all”
.....on the ball exposing multiple puppet trolls....;-))))
Some people need to be careful exposing THEMSELVES.
Nov 10th, 2016 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1All those girly pics
Chuckle chuckle...
It's no use the DemoCraps crying over spilled milk....why do they think they are the righteous and always have to win ? Let them lick their wounds, but they'd best move on and face reality.
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