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Gibraltar “is part of the UK” and “we don't need any type of co-sovereignty”
Gibraltar “is part of the UK” and its particular circumstances will be reflected in Britain’s exit deal from the EU, the UK’s ambassador to Spain said this week, adding that co-sovereignty was not an option. Simon Manley made the comments in a wide-ranging interview on Brexit published by La Nueva España newspaper on Wednesday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGibraltar “is part of the UK” and its particular circumstances will be reflected in Britain’s exit deal from the EU, the UK’s ambassador to Spain said this week, adding that co-sovereignty was not an option.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse +3Co-sovereignty?
Gibraltar - Some Relevant International Law: https://www.academia.edu/10575180/Gibraltar_-_Some_Relevant_Internationa...
Pay UK taxes then...
Nov 11th, 2016 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Get representation in Parliament....
Allow UK residents the freedom of choice to live in Gibraltar if they wish like any other part of the UK...
Stop treating Gibraltar and other BOTS like some sort of special club....If your names not down you're not coming in...
Stop taking from the UK and giving nothing in return...but trouble....
@ Voice
Nov 11th, 2016 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Stop taking from the UK and giving nothing in return...but trouble”
Just like Scotland then?
I'd rather have the people of Gibraltar than the headbangers in Glasgow, et al.
Gibraltar is NOT, of course, part of the UK. Unlike spain, the UK doesn't find it necessary to make up new laws and arguments, as spain does, to justify colonialism and illegitimate claims. One wonders about Ceuta and Melilla, and various uninhabited islands off the Moroccan coast that spain has used military force to retain.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +6And a word to Mercopress. At the bottom of the page, the word is “Subscribe”.
ChrisR
Nov 11th, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -5At least the “headbangers in Glasgow” pay UK taxes...
..and what conflict are they causing with other countries...?
Pity you couldn't have retired to these dryer climates in these other... “Parts of the UK”...eh..?
@voice
Nov 11th, 2016 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +7What are you blurbing about? I, and many others here DO pay UK tax and get nothing in return, other than £50 million a year (a sum about to be reduced) is paid to Gibraltar to maintain the Royal Navy Dock.
All other Gibraltarians do pay taxes locally, please don't make it sound as if the UK are funding Gibraltar, it's not!
Being part of the UK...should mean being part of the UK and being treated like any other part of the UK...
Nov 11th, 2016 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -8They don't want it, they want to be a Special case...a private club...
The referendum choice should be integration or out...
That gives them self determination to choose...no one moans about the French OT's, because they are part of France...
The Spanish government believes that self-determination does not apply to Gibraltar because paragraph 6 of UN Resolution 1514 (‘any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the Charter of the United Nations')
Nov 11th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +5This view is pathetically weak: https://www.academia.edu/29347730/Gibraltar_-Territorial_Integrity
Time for Rajoy & co get real.
Gib is a very handy Naval base at the entrance to the Med. Britain is the rightful owner of the territory and should hang on to it. Spain should stop grumbling, they are the ones causing trouble, not Britain. To claim otherwise is just hyperbole. This business of various Spaniards trying to claim our territory is indeed tiresome but we must stick up for what is right. As someone points out Spain is hanging on to various territories that are clearly in other country's close neighbourhoods. They should shut up and work on their own Club Med problems.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +6As for the tax and public spending arguments there are much costlier remote places and islands in Britain that recieve massive subsidies from tbe English taxpayer who recognises their need and willingly contributes to make their lives possible. Should be cut them off too?
Gibraltar has been British since the time of the Duke of Marlborough (in excess of three centuries), and is of no real value to Spain. It is useful to the Spanish (as are the Falklands to Argentina) only as a diversion to give the public some focus for their hatred, other than the corrupt, incompetent governments that are ruining their country. If the Spanish government would take care of their own business, and make Spain more attractive than Britain, the people of Gibraltar might want to be a part of Spain (maybe in another three centuries?).
Nov 11th, 2016 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +6@Three Accounts...
Nov 11th, 2016 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Do you mean like the North of England, Northern Ireland, Wales...?
What is the total population for these areas and what is the total subsidies...?
I'll bet their population is greater than Scotland...their subsidies greater and their tax contribution...less....
I don't have to bet...because I already know...
I'll also wager Faslane and Coulport is ever so more important to the UK than Gibraltar....
@Think's Parrot
Nov 11th, 2016 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +2No, I mean places like the Highlands that have a large costly road network and sparse population and the Islands needing heavily subsidised ferries and rural services. Because Naval bases are in the same general area makes no difference. There are military bases and nuclear installations and facilities all over the UK including in the densly populated South East. We all 'benefit from and suffer' that.
I agree with him ;-)))
Nov 11th, 2016 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -4All the OT's are “important”' just as all the parts of the UK are important, regardless.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The elected U.K. government distributes the funds as required, at their discretion.
That is the strength of having territories united, together greater than their component parts. It binds a common culture and common values.
That's something to remember, on this important day, November 11th.
Trolls like Think/Voice are here to undermine the UK, sow doubt, and create division by pitting us against each other.
The meanness of his spirit shows through in every post and every personal attack.
The roads and rural services are maintained by local Govt...
Nov 11th, 2016 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I see you are now flaunting the fact that you have several accounts by using the Lautaro one...
Kanye...what kind of a sycophant are you...WTF has the UK got to do with you...?
Reminds me still of another sycophant based in Canada....what's the bet you are based in Canada....
But you are not talking about roads and rural services.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +3And now the personal attacks from you.
You are consistent.
I am sure that “Lautaro” is one of your Think/Voice multiple identities :))))
Armistice Day:
Are you going to remember “your” British War Dead and brave soldiers from all territories and parts of the Empire that fought for the UK in two World Wars?
Kanye
Nov 11th, 2016 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -5I can prove Lautaro is The Voice....first we must establish that he is also “Icepilot”....
I'm only allowed one link at a time...
http://en.mercopress.com/2016/01/11/guns-are-our-shared-responsibility/comments#comment426722
Then I can provide a link that shows Icepilot/The Voice using the same Indian Image...
Should I really bother ....
Especially when I clearly remember that last person that asked me if I was going to remember the British war dead...
That's right...Troy Tempest the Brit sycophant...
Folk can't help repeating themselves....can they...?
Fortunately...I remember everything I read...
You digress, and attempt to divert.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Armistice Day:
A time to remember that ALL OT's and parts of the UK, and the Empire HONOUR and remember their sacrifice to the values and freedoms of our “Anglo” culture.
This is a bond that unites and reflects our society and those who identify with it.
There are no Nov 11 remembrances in Mexico or other Spanish speaking countries that I am aware of.
You are being a troll.
You are the Troll...
Nov 11th, 2016 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -5You are digressing and diverting...Is this article about Armistice Day..?
My comments were about Gibraltar being part of the UK...
Trolls with multiple accounts...
..and Trolls pretending to be someone else...
Neither of you fool me...
Gave us all a laugh Voicey. Who cares what you can prove. A clue - its the content that counts. ;-)
Nov 11th, 2016 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +3If you don't 'Think' Armistice Day isn't relavent to this subject, it demonstrates you don't really feel part of our Community. Thats your privilege. Its a free country and so are our Falkland Islands thanks to those guys that lost their lives or were maimed ejecting the colonialist would be squatters. Today, we remember them. Lets hope we never have to chuck Spaniards off our rock.
It's not relevant to this article...
Nov 11th, 2016 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -6It's like saying Boots... is relevant because Italy is shaped like a boot and the Brits fought the Italians in the war ...
and Boots were worn in the trenches, by British Servicemen during the war...
...and the Germans wore Jack Boots and the Brits fought them in the war...
Etcetera ....
Spain was neutral in both World wars...
Yet more hyperbole! Ever wondered why the only support for your strange views comes from an Argentinian troll?
Nov 11th, 2016 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“Spain was neutral in both World wars...”
Nov 11th, 2016 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Well, sort of. That's the myth, anyway.
Spain actually signed an agreement with Hitler that it would only provisionally remain a non-belligerent and that it would join the Axis at a time to be determined later. That is different than lawful neutrality. Having just ended the Spanish Civil War, Franco was in no position to enter into another major conflict. Formal neutrality would have angered Hitler, who had provided the means for Franco to beat the Russian-backed coalition in Spain. The agreement that Franco reached with Hitler in 1940 allowed Spain to continue to provide a high degree of cooperation with Germany but without the character of being recognised as a belligerent. But that did not make Spain legally neutral, and there was a strong effort on the part of Allied forces to use this lack of neutrality as an argument to invade Spain.
...and if it's the fat old men coffin dodgers community that you are referring to....
Nov 11th, 2016 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -7You'll have to excuse me if I pass on that one....
If it's the ...why have one account when three will do community...I'll skip that one too...
tea-bagger,
Nov 11th, 2016 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“...Is this article about Armistice Day..?
My comments were about Gibraltar being part of the UK...
Trolls with multiple accounts...
..and Trolls pretending to be someone else... ”
Despite your wittering about Single-malts, and whatever “pipes” are made of you have shoved up your kilt,
a REAL Scotsman would appreciate on Armistice Day at the very least, that we have all sacrificed and been through this together, and be eternally thankful for the role Gibraltar played.
A real Scotsman would be expected to venerate his Scots ancestors and their UK comrades who fought and died to protect their way of life.
You do none of these things.
Notably, the SA and Spanish peoples don't honour our War Dead.
Perhaps the troll claiming to be from Dunoon is not who he says he is?
Kayne +1. He thinks he knows it all. Some of what he claims is true, some clearly isnt. He has seen a very old photo of me and the ageist comments and insults refer to that. His arrogance and poor computer skills doesnt enable him to appreciate that someone might have chapter and verse on him complete with downloaded embarrasing photographs. But I am a gentleman and wouldnt do that. Live and let live.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Chuckle chuckle..
Armistice Day very clearly demonstrates the close bond of all British peoples, specifically including Gibraltar.
Nov 11th, 2016 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1THE Voice,
This is all trolling and distraction by a non-Brit faker.
Kanye
Nov 11th, 2016 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -5“Perhaps the troll claiming to be from Dunoon is not who he says he is?”
...and who do I say I am...?
Show me one post where I have ever claimed any nationality....just one..
The Voice...Captainsilver...Icepilot..Lautaro...
If that's an old photo...you must be a corpse by now...
You silly old man...whilst you were thinking you were a smartass with your trolling, I was busy following your stupidly obvious trail across the internet...
Reading every single post you ever made, where you were not so guarded with your information and identity...
Every piece of information that you ever uttered....if anyone has chapter and verse..it is me...
All before you realised I'd even been there...chump...
If you think you know anything about me....publish it....let's all have a laugh...
Now...dare me to do the same..if you have the bottle....
Ps...The only embarrassing photos I have...are of you.
Is it normal to have two chins and be shaped like an egg on legs...?...;-))))
Clearly you are now very worried. I would be concerned if I looked like that. ;-)
Nov 12th, 2016 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse +2Think/voice
Nov 12th, 2016 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1The indignant taxpayer portrayal doesn't ring true.
Glad we sorted that.
The Voice
Nov 12th, 2016 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse -2I have already posted a pic of myself...
Kanye....doesn't ring true either...let's call you Troy instead...aka Brit sycophant..Britophile...
Wannabe....
You are not British, you do not live in Britain...I know hope springs eternal...but please do get over it...
Is that the one of the stick insect in highland dress you clipped off a well known Scottish regimental website? Doesn't look like the recent ones at all - strange?
Nov 12th, 2016 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +2Show me the site or quit your lies...
Nov 12th, 2016 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse -3The pic cannot be found anywhere else...
You haven't a clue about Highland regalia at all...
You haven't a clue....period..
Are you going to switch to “nololly ”...your other name...?
Poor name switching Trolls are having a hard time of it...;-)))
Lord Lucan
Nov 12th, 2016 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse +1Clearly the Think/Voice Latino troll is having a meltdown, and projecting that everyone who confronts his bs is somebody else or multiple somebody else-S-S
What a drama queen
Queen....spot on, with some really embarrassing tastes revealed on the crumb trail!
Nov 12th, 2016 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse +2Meltdown..I think not....
Nov 12th, 2016 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse -3Proof....
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/01/02/china-starts-to-build-its-fourth-antarctica-base-more-planned/comments#comment296029
@ Voice
Nov 12th, 2016 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse +2How much does the UK tax payer give to Gibraltar, and how does this compare to the other BOTs?
And which other part of the UK do you want Gibraltar to be treated like anyway? Each country already has slightly different laws, and different degrees of self government.
If it did become part of the UK, it would most likely end up like Ceuta and Melilla; two Spanish autonomous cities that are in a special low tax zone. Or like Svalbard, where the Norwegian government is bound by treaty to only collect taxes for local purposes, and as a result taxes are a good deal lower than in mainland Norway. Or like Heligoland, a part of Germany that enjoys a tax-exempt status, and where much of the economy is founded on sales of cigarettes, alcohol and perfume to tourists.
In other words not much would change, and you and Spain would still be complaining.
Armed Forces minister flags Rock’s ‘massive’ role in troubled times
Nov 12th, 2016 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2And he confirmed that the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, would visit Gibraltar perhaps as early as November next year but certainly by Easter of 2018.
“Queen Elizabeth, the new aircraft carrier, will be here,” he told the Chronicle.
“She will moor in Gibraltar
http://chronicle.gi/2016/11/armed-forces-minister-flags-rocks-massive-role-in-troubled-times/
‘Fortress Gibraltar’ In the 21st Century
http://chronicle.gi/2016/11/armed-forces-minister-flags-rocks-massive-role-in-troubled-times/
And whilst the UK’s military presence there is currently quite small, the territory’s close proximity to both Britain and the large military base in Akrotiri and Dhekelia means that reinforcements could arrive very quickly. The British government is committed to maintaining all three branches of armed forces in Gibraltar, meaning that the infrastructure exists for larger deployed forces in the future
Spain ,,Spain who..
Demon Tree
Nov 13th, 2016 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference is...it would be an integral part of the UK and not some private club pretending to be British...
There are plenty of places in the UK that pay less tax...remote Islands in Scotland and not so remote, Bute for instance pays less Council tax than the mainland only a stones throw away.
Armed forces protecting, fighting and dying for these colonial enclaves is a joke...
I'm just back from the Remembrance Day service at Lazaretto Point, Holy Loch...
Stood in the drizzle and remembered my kin that never returned home from distant lands that had nothing whatsoever to do with them, protecting people that never even knew they existed...
Think/voice
Nov 13th, 2016 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Show me one post where I have ever claimed any nationality”
Just back from remembering kith and kin etc.
Of course you never claimed they were Scots or British either.
Any REAL Scotsman is honouring and remembering those from far away who came together as a British people and sacrificed to defend the UK.
You throw up a facade of righteous indignation and reveal your self-centredness. - on the very day others are honouring and thanking the selfless sacrifice of the many the world over, who saved Britain.
Clearly you don't identify with them.
You are truly shameful to weasel and pretend.
Which service did you attend Wannabe...?
Nov 13th, 2016 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Voice
Nov 13th, 2016 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you. Did you also remember the soldiers who came from Canada, Australia, and New Zealand in two world wars to defend Britain and a bunch of people who they never knew?
If British soldiers died fighting in distant lands, it was our own fault for building an empire; but having created these 'colonial enclaves' it would be wrong to just abandon them.
Anyway, Gibraltar was established as a military base, and the town grew up to serve the base, not the other way around. I think they have done their share, and as far as I know they don't pay tax to the UK and don't receive any subsidies either.
As I understand it, the plan for most of the BOTs is that they become independent someday, hence them being treated as separate countries when it comes to immigration. But Gibraltar is really too small for that even if it didn't have a Spain problem, so maybe it would be better for it to became part of the UK. I would have no objections anyway.
Anybody have any idea how much Argentina spends in subsidies and otherwise to maintain its colonies in Tierra del Fuego and the British Antarctic territory?
Nov 13th, 2016 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are some arguing abt who died where and who stands to remember them??
Nov 13th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Would it not be fair to remind all, that who ever died fighting for the allies and defending democracy have a right to stand in silence to remember the fallen,
ALL that fought, not just some, it matters not who you were, what colour , what religion,
they all fought and died for their countries,
and all should be remembered wherever you may be in the world,
two points to note,
the enemy also lost millions, and not were bad or nasty,
and civilians also died in their millions,
And today, We remember them all,
Last but not least,
Can anyone tell me , if the USA are represented in whitewall on remembrance Sunday, or have I got it wrong. [ I mean American military marching ]
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