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Francis grants Catholic priests the power to forgive abortion

Tuesday, November 22nd 2016 - 12:00 UTC
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In an apostolic letter published on Monday, the Pope underlined that the Catholic Church needs to bring reconciliation back to “its central place in the Christian life.” The measure is said to be temporary. Read full article

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  • Think

    Sos un genio Pancho...!

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
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    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip just above...
    Either have you been fooled (again) by a bad MercoPress translation or by your own Turnipidity...

    What Pancho said...:
    'Poi, “perché nessun ostacolo si interponga tra la richiesta di riconciliazione e il perdono di Dio”, concede “d’ora innanzi a tutti i sacerdoti, in forza del loro ministero, la facoltà di assolvere quanti hanno procurato peccato di aborto. Quanto avevo concesso limitatamente al periodo giubilare - precisa - viene ora esteso nel tempo”. Il Papa ribadisce con tutte le sue forze “che l’aborto è un grave peccato, perché pone fine a una vita innocente. Con altrettanta forza, tuttavia”, afferma “che non esiste alcun peccato che la misericordia di Dio non possa raggiungere e distruggere quando trova un cuore pentito che chiede di riconciliarsi con il Padre”.'
    http://it.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/11/21/misericordia_et_misera_pubblicata_lettera_apostolica/1273723

    Grande...el curita porteño ese...

    Nov 22nd, 2016 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • pgerman

    Francisco..Who cares your forgiveness?...It might be the time to think about officially splitting the Catholic Church from the Government issues in Argentina. We must enter in the current century....

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Pgerman...

    “It is much better to keep silence than to write stupid things.”...remember...?

    It's NOT Pancho's forgiveness...it's the Great Architect of the Universe....; brother...!

    There must be a reason for me grandpa's masonic orb to open into a Cross..., don't ya Think...?

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • pgerman

    @Think

    Please, do not try to give an opinion on what you do not know because you are going to be ridiculous. Masonry is not a religion so, nobody in it will grant you any forgiveness of anything. It is clear, moreover, that you does not understand the concept of Great Architect of the Universe.

    Do I need to explain that in Western countries the government is completely free and secular?

    The definitive separation of the government and religion is a pending issue in Argentina. It is inevitable no matter the Pope and the Peronist/fascist/conservative won't like it ... one day, pretty soon I guess, the Catholic Church will lose its last privileges and the faithful will have to pay their own “living expenses” like the rest of the people and institutions in Argentina.

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Pgerman...

    1) Masonry may not be a relgion but it surely got all the elements of one...:
    - Temples..., altars..., prayers..., a moral code..., worship..., vestments..., feast days..., the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife..., a hierarchy..., initiation rites.., burial rites... and..., of course..., the “Great Architect of the Universe” thing...

    2) “In western countries the governments are completely free and secular”... you say...
    Excluding of course those who have an “Official State Religion” as England.., Iceland..., Denmark..., Norway..., Finland..., Sweden... etc..., ec..., etc...
    (By the way..., the above mentioned countries are also the ones with the strongest Freemason traditions... For example, all of the Swedish Grand Masters belonged to the Royal Swedish House from 1774 up to 1997... Jälva bra!!

    3) Now that you are a bit wiser boy... I can tell you that I do agreewith you about the convenience of a completely secular state...

    Capisce?

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • pgerman

    I know that you like to show off that you are a clever boy that knows about everything. But I regret to tell you that you don't.

    1) Masonry is not a religion. As a result of this, we don't have temples (in the correct concept of a “temple”), no altars (in the concept of altar), no prayers, no worship and no feast days and there is no promise of rewards or punishment in the afterlife at all.

    We do have a moral code, vestments and initiation and burial rites that doesn't mean we are a religion. Again, the “Great Architect of the Universe” doesn't mean it is a God. Its concept was inspired on an idea of tolerance almost 300 years ago. It can represent any God (the christian God, the jewish God, the muslim God, etc), the creative force of nature or simply nothing. Each os us can put on this symbol our personal beliefs. It depends on each of us. That's why non believers, like myself, are accepted in the institution.

    2) “In Western countries the governments are completely free and secular”... that means that the Government doesn't economically support any Church. It also means that it has no privileges. It also means that religion doesn't inspire laws.

    (The mentioned countries are some with strong Freemason traditions but they are the ones where Masonry is deist. I must have told you that there are several masonic rites).

    3) Unlike you I'm not a wise boy at all, in fact, I'm just searching for the light in my trip to the East.

    Should you have any additional doubt or question about Masonry, please, feel free to let me know. I'll be more than happy to assist you.

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Pgerman...
    You are living in Northamerica... right?
    Some older, wiser and higher ranking brothers disagree with you.there.., young brother...:
    - “Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction of religion.” [“Morals and Dogma”, Albert Pike, page 213, teachings of the 13th Degree, Royal Arch of Solomon]

    And everybody knows that at every Masonic Lodge there is a Masonic Altar...!
    Were else would one sacrifice them babies? (Joke - joke - joke...)

    Anyhow... have a nice trip to the East... You certainly could use some enlightment...

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • pgerman

    I cannot believe that you have been searching for Albert Pike's writings and I cannot believe that you think you understood him. Don't waste your time...you won't understand a single word of his concepts.

    I always ask myself why people, that don't belong to the institution, tend to speak and try to teach freemasons about Masonry not matter that they know they are talking to a freemason?

    Why is that they prefer to put themselves in shame of writing and supporting ideas that are completely false and wrong?

    Why is it so difficult to for them to admit they know nothing about Masonry?

    I wouldn't try to teach a muslim about Islam. It must be a proof of ignorance or arrogance.

    Think, please, the day you are really hungry for knowledge about Masonry just let me know. I will suggest you some writings that can help you to understand it.

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Pgerman

    Good analogy about not trying to teach a good Muslim about Islam...

    But if anyone calling himself a Muslim tries to tell me that Islam has no temples..., no prayers..., no worship..., no feast days..., no promise of rewards or punishment in the afterlife and that Allah is not a God but a “ concept”.... then he ain't no “Good bloody Muslim”

    As you evidently ain't no good bloody Freemason...

    Geeeeeeeee...., brother... It's the Freemasons you are speaking about here...
    Not a Ladies knitting club!
    Educate yourself...:
    http://www.msana.com/religion.asp

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • pgerman

    @ Think

    How many official meetings have you ever attended?
    How many initiation ceremonies have you participated in?
    How many lodges have you ever visited?
    How much masonic education have you ever received?
    How many freemasons have you ever consulted for information?

    You have just proved, in writing and without any doubt, that you are completely an ignorant and arrogant person. You have just lost the chance of avoiding ridicule. Don't think you have been quite smart or clever...just ridicule.

    You are a perfect peronist. No doubt about that...

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Hmmmm

    I know me Dad was a Freemason till they kicked him out...
    I know me two Grand-dads died as Freemasons...
    I got Freemason acquaintances and colleagues...
    I was NEVER cayoled into the Sect...
    Does that suffice?

    Nov 23rd, 2016 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • imoyaro

    “I know me Dad was a Freemason till they kicked him out...”

    And therein lies the tale.

    @pgerman
    As I am sure you are well aware, there are a number of different “types” of Freemasonry, and Albert Pike's “Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry” is actually readily available on the net due to Project Gutenberg. I have it bookmarked myself. He is however an American, and “Continental” Freemasonry, which is prevalent in SA, is indeed more like what you are saying. Be well and take care. ;)

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Hmmmmmmm

    Not my tale..., my Paraguayan little brother Imoyaro..., my dad's ;-)

    Tell me... how do you reconciliate your open and publicly expressed hate against Argentineans with them Moral Laws?
    Did you listen properly at first grade..., brother...?
    Remember...? Through Darkness into Lght...

    Saludos
    El Think...

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • imoyaro

    I'm not a Mason, Gauchito Drink, nor a National Socialist like you and your tango partner Kamerad/Komrade Rique, borracho. :)

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    “I'm not a Mason” ...says Imoyaro....
    The Great Architect of the Universe be praised..., I say.

    Nov 24th, 2016 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Kanye

    Think/voice

    Here is the book just for you, an in-depth contemporary look at Freemasonry today.

    http://www.dummies.com/store/product/Freemasons-For-Dummies-2nd-Edition.productCd-1118412087.html

    Through my many connections with the Freemasons, I know it is required to believe in an Ultimate Being - that does not mean it is a religion unto itself. It co-exists alongside formal religions.

    Pgerman,
    I don't know why you felt it necessary to draw attention to the Freemason's icon outside the Arg. Congress?

    Surely, that only lends credence to the ridiculous conspiracy theories of the “Think-ites” who contend that the Freemason Illuminati secretly control government.

    Is it not true that while the 'Masons are widespread in SA, they are also persecuted and used as scapegoats by the Populist and or Bolivarian Socialist groups of SA?

    Nov 27th, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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