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Cristina Fernandez summoned to court in Buenos Aires: law enforcement will act if she refuses to comply
Argentina's ex president Cristina Fernandez has been ordered to court next Tuesday by federal magistrate Claudio Bonadio, and warned that should she not abide she will be taken by public force to comply with the registry of finger prints and undergo a socio-environment report. The decision refers to the dollar futures case for which the ex president has been indicted. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI don't think it is worth putting the greater good of the nation at risk by trying to force a showdown.
Nov 26th, 2016 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse -10The British for example do not prosecute their leaders, even if those leaders lead them to catastrophic wars that kills hundreds of thousands and distabilize two three continents, or use referendums whose repercussions will affect generations of citizens in order to satisfy a personal short-term political expediency, because they see it as threatening to their nation's stability.
I get it that Argentina is better than the UK in bringing its leaders to task but sometimes soft is better than hard.
I still don't understand this dollar futures thing. Is it normal for her to be summoned to court in Buenos Aires to have her finger prints taken, or would that usually be done where she lives? And why refuse to go anyway, it's not like she can't afford to get there.
Nov 26th, 2016 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Also what is she actually being prosecuted for? It sounds like it is for incorrectly predicting the future exchange rate of the Peso, which seems kind of dubious as crimes go. Is she supposed to have benefited from this in some way?
@ Fidel_CasTroll
Leaders are rarely prosecuted by their own countries, and when they are it is for crimes at home, not abroad. No one cares as much about crimes committed out of sight, against foreigners.
Also, yet another new name? Should I just start calling you Tobi?
Dear Toby..., me favourite Argie Troll...
Nov 26th, 2016 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -9I Think this is a shrewd and very well timed political and mediatical move by Madame la Présidente Cristina Elizabet Fernandez de Kirchner to challenge the illegality of this whole process...
What illegality you may ask...?
Well... The law is quite clear about it... Any “Socio-Environmental” report of any citizen under investigation MUST be done in the place of residence and domicil of the pertinent citizen..., NOT in a city ~2,500 km far away...
Why very well timed, you may ask...?
Well... As you may know, we are expecting in the next days an official and very critical visit from the UN and the OAS about the illegal detention of Milagro Sala and 10 other activists...
Imagine the implications for the current administration of a picture of an arrested Madame la Présidente...!
Arrested by a completely illegal minor technicality... mind you...!
I THINK Cristina would JUST LUUUUUUUUUUUUV IT...!!
The federal court here in Río Gallegos indicated that it did not have jurisdiction in the case, which would otherwise allowed the fingerprinting to be done here. CFK's attorney made an appeal to the court having jurisdiction, on the basis that the fingerprinting should be done in the defendant's home district, and that appeal was rejected by the court. Actually the appeal had proposed that the fingerprinting be done at one of two options not approved by the court: either on 1 December at the Buenos Aires facility at Comodoro Py, or in Río Gallegos. CFK had earlier declared residency in Bs As province in order to be eligible to run for a legislative seat there, and in doing so would become also eligible for a great deal of immunity from prosecution.
Nov 26th, 2016 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Speakin' about Milagro Sala....
Nov 26th, 2016 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -12The Macri administration is literally wetting ther pants about this case...
The big, mean and ugly UN and OAS are on their way..., so they just freed some of their politcal prisioners and..., suddenly and wihout any explanation..., “suspended all activity” on her case...
http://www.minutouno.com/milagro-sala-a3208
Presiden Macri will have to learn that the “good old days..., when the Engrish Oligarchsin Patagonia could order the execution of hundreds of destitute Shilean shepherds..., the ”good old days“ when our Armed Farces Nomenklatura could order the dissapearence of thousands of our best young people..., the ”good old times” when our governments could order people to be jailed under false premises........................., are over!
The good old days when you could get away with murdering a prosecutor. The good old days when you could levy heavy fines on anyone who tried to publish economic data contrary to the official party line. The days when you had to apply for a permit in advance for a peaceful demonstration. The days when you could employ your children to rob the nation blind. You know, the Kirchner Days.
Nov 26th, 2016 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +10DT
Nov 26th, 2016 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Call him Nostrils, a variation of one of his own variations
Yes, Evita K was manipulating currency and currency laws by decree, to make profit for herself and her cronies.
CFK simply doesn't like to be told what to do, as well as being above the law.
“I still don't understand this dollar futures thing.”
Nov 26th, 2016 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +8“Also what is she actually being prosecuted for?”
“The investigation revolves around the sale of dollar futures worth US$17 billion payable through June 30, 2016. Those contracts, it was alleged, were settled with a dollar-peso exchange rate that significantly overvalued the peso in comparison to market expectations, particularly if Mauricio Macri won the ongoing presidential elections.”
TMBOA, using the crock of shit that the argie pesos was at the time deliberately and willfully vastly overvalued the pesos resulting in massive dollar loses. She knowingly did this to embarrass Macri by pointing out to the Peronistas 'how Macri had 'cost them money' which many of the 14M uneducated and illiterate scum believed. They, like you, did not understand what was going on.
She, of course, would have taken the opposite 'bet' and raked in the Dollars.
It is yet another example how TMBOA didn't GAF about the country as long as she was alright.
Has she been embalmed already?
Nov 26th, 2016 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4This blatant judicial harassment can only be endorsed by either biased or misinformed persons.
Nov 26th, 2016 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Cristina has, to this day, been present to each audience or questioning she has been called to.
After being denied the prompt oral trial she was requesting, she has said no to the absurd order to travel to Buenos Aires to be fingerprinted. (Is this judge taking everybody for an idiot?).
Bonadio aims against CFK to muddy the waters after being himself imputed on the same matter.
Why? Simply because it was he who authorized all the dollar future operations that took place.
Who benefited from it?
Among others, Nicolas Caputo, good friend of Mauricio Macri, through Caputo S.A. Purchased US$ 3.5 million between the 8 and 27 October 2016.
José María Torello, Macri's chief assessor--invested US$ 800.000 in dollar future contracts.
Chery-Socma Argentina S.A. of Franco Macri--invested U.S.$ 8 million in contracts of dollar future.
Gustavo Sebastián Lopetegui, ex CEO of LAN and Public Policies co-ordinating secretary, who invested U.S.$ 310.000.
Boca Juniors Club: Angelici brought in $22,8 million.
La Nación operated US$ 4 million in dollar future contracts.
Cablevisión: US$ 11 million.
As usual, follow the money and you will have chances of being right.
wrong again reekie - on so many things. You can't seem to follow the news.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse +8CFK's own attorney made an appeal to the court having jurisdiction to have CFK present at Comodoro Py for fingerprinting, but on Dec 1, a date the judge did not agree to.
Try to keep up.
Mr. Marti, who still insists CFK murdered prosecutor Nisman (recently a new refusal of legal action about the so-called Nisman's “murder” was once more issued by the courts) still insists judge Bonadio is right in his judicial harassment of Cristina. Of course, he cannot address Bonadio's unexplainable authorization to operate contracts on dollar future, allowing millions in gains to friends and members of the Macri government but takes great pains to explain why the former president must travel 2,500 km to be fingerprinted. Marti is incapable of realizing the levels of ridicule the Macri government and its acolytes are reaching with their panic of Cristina entering the scene again in the coming election.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse -9Panic, you say, reekie? Is it not panic that we now hear in CFK's public speaking? Is it not panic that is seen in her face and movements? Is it not panic that more evidence against her is being accumulated? Is it not panic that has caused her to transfer her holdings to her other perhaps comparably corrupt family members? It could be complicated for her to campaign for public office from prison.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Anglo Turnip Marti Llazo
Nov 27th, 2016 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -11Firstly..., Mr.Nisman,... that corrupt chantapufi..., was not murdered... he commited suicide...
Secondly..., you should use some of those many monies you brag you have...and entretain some Women...
You would then learn...that it is definitely not panic that we now hear in CFK's public speaking... and definitively not panic that is seen in her face and movements...;-)
Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo...
El Think...
Nisman was murdered.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Gauchito Drink, the only chantapufis I see are you and your tango partner Kamerad/Komrade Rique, although really, you both are far ,far worse than that. Supporting the smuggling of drug precursors to Mexico for conversion of meth to be sent into the United States, the use of freed felons as political muscle, the assassination of political opponents, and of course the rapturous support for the deeds of the torturer Juan Peron pretty much define what you really are. The money trail leads to CFK, and when the money is found, your funding will dry up. ;)
Nov 27th, 2016 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Tinkle, you need to find better sources than Sputniknews. Even CFK recognised publicly that Nisman was murdered. As in “Estoy convencida de que no fue suicidio.”
Nov 27th, 2016 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +8So how is it, Tinkle, living in that Peronista dream world, bereft of all connection with truth and decency?
Cretina shorted the currency futures and then used the dumb rgs own pesos to drive the market down a la Soros.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The New Yorker, ever a sucker for endless defence of the most corrupt and inept leftist regimes, carried an article earlier this year covering of some of Kirchner's, um, issues:
Nov 27th, 2016 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Véase “Argentina's Culture of Corruption.”
Describing the future-dollar prosecution now underway: “On May 13th, separate from the corruption case, a federal judge indicted Kirchner and had her financial assets frozen on charges that she intervened in a currency trade involving Argentina’s Central Bank, which is said to have cost the country billions of dollars.....”
The article goes on with an editorial observation from Spanish media: ”......Cornered, Cristina Fernández now seeks to show that she is not a thief but merely stupid: that the officials closest to her stole ceaselessly and that half the country knew it, but that she didn’t. Be it one or be it the other, her time is up.”
If you're the least bit clever, you can make good money here. Sell everything at stupidly inflated values just before the inevitable crash, get the money into dollars and momentarily out of the country, and then bring it back to buy property at fire-sale prices after things stabilise at to post-crash lows. For this last step, Chilean banks and fondos mutuos accounts can be convenient and helpful. Then wait for the next inflation cycle. Repeat.
Marti:
Nov 28th, 2016 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse -8Wishes do not automatically become reality.
Just like Clarín does, you work hard at filling blank space with murder and theft fantasy in hopes someone will, eventually, become convinced.
You are full of...hate for Cristina Fernández--not because you really believe all your petty allegations.
Your hate is envy, because CFK is a great human being who was never afraid--hey, she is not afraid today either--to get into politics and challenge the status quo--you know full well that your life will never take over, and all you are left is, like those little dogs that we call cuzquitos, try to bark at her and perhaps bite her heel.
Little consolation, of course.
Corruption is a politician printing leaflets scaring your population by stoking RACISM (Turkey and Iraq will join the EU, better vote leave)... then turning right around and flying to the country use racially dissed to now support their entry into the EU.
Nov 28th, 2016 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse -9On any conceivable front (using racism, lying to your own voters, and so brazenly wanting harm on others like the EU, because he obviously believes this would be a mistake but now that the UK is leaving he wants to inflict this supposed harm on the other side), this is about as corrupt and putrid as politics get... which is why all 27 members of the EU now are fed-up with the British and think they are nothing but arrogant buffoons with a big gooey carrot and a tiny little penis for a stick.
I have never seen a country in such a short time make itself the embarrassment and laughing stock of the entire planet. It's so bad NO ONE is coming to associate itself with the UK right now, so bad that in the EU nations and even within the UK, opinions on leaving the EU have dramatically shifted after seeing the rank amateurism of the Brits. Let's not get started on their negotiating position, where they think they have the clout of the USA plus the Soviet Union rolled into one, when in reality they are behind Canada and Malaysia in the pecking order of trade deals.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-david-davis-arrogant-european-union-brexit-2016-11
May the gifts of Brexit long continue... exposing to the world what I have said about the British Government Anglo-supremacist fallacy of thought.
“Your hate is envy, because CFK is a great human being who was never afraid--”
Nov 28th, 2016 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse +3Yeah, Kamerad/Komrade Rique, and we all know what you consider to be a “Great Human Being.” ...
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/fidel-pinochet_zpseqxbxoir.jpg
Reekie, the question no longer one of whether CFK is guilty of the charges or not, but the number of years of prison that should be her reward for such a life of crime and corruption.
Nov 28th, 2016 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hopefully Sessions can open a RICO file on Cretina, et al.
Nov 28th, 2016 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -5I bet Evita K is right pissed that another cult persona has died and taken away all the attention.
Nov 28th, 2016 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@ Marti Llazo
Nov 28th, 2016 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has she been convicted of something since yesterday? Or do you just not believe in 'innocent until proven guilty'?
This is not about hate. This is about someone named Elizabeth but is not a queen, though she desperately tried to feel like one. This is actually against messianic leaders and all the leeches that profit out of peoples' hope for solutions.
Nov 29th, 2016 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse +7There is no viable solution for everyone if it comes from someone that believes that just one view of reality is enough. There is no human purpose in delegating our thought process to totalitarian movements.
Great solutions come from consent of the majority. Fortunately, the majority of Argentines now disagrees with CFK and that style. I wonder how long it will last. Deep inside, I hope it lasts until fascism is nothing but a blurred remembrance in this, my beloved land.
@Tarquin
Nov 29th, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse +4I can't help but wish you luck.
Imoyaro
Nov 29th, 2016 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse +4agreed
This morning before 8 am CFK did as the judge had ordered, and came to the Comodoro Py jail facility and was fingerprinted. According to the local media reports it took about 20 minutes. Her usual gangs of supporters, in any event too hung over from the previous days' celebrations, were told not to attend the event.
Nov 29th, 2016 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +7The judge had given CFK until 1 pm today to present herself or face the possibility of arrest and/or contempt charges, so the early arrival easily beat the deadline. That gives her plenty of time for her next appointment today: at the Cuban embassy.
TWIMC
Nov 29th, 2016 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -8This morning before 8 am CFK did as the judge had ordered, and went to the Comodoro Py jcourthouse (NOT A jail facility..., Turnip MartiLlazo) to be fingerprinted. According to the local media reports it took about 20 minutes. Her usual loyal supporting citizens, were kindly asked by Cristina not to attend the event...
That's why..., Mme. Kirchner..., in almost majestic solitide ;-) walked through those impenetrable police barricades manned by some 400 heavily armed robocops..., 6 armored water cannon trucks..., 24 antiriot german shepherds..., 4 big Israeli drones and God knows what else...
One would THINK they were expecting Chuck(le;-) Norris...!!!
After such magnificent display of power..., she quitely continued to her next appointment at the Cuban embassy to pay her last respects to a recently deceased brave man...
No pasarán
El Think..
Tinkle, there is what is vulgarly referred to as a “confinement facility” at Comodoro Py and the fingerprinting section is adjacent to that, which is why that part is called, perhaps too loosely for you, a jail.
Nov 29th, 2016 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Dink,
Nov 29th, 2016 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“... manned by some 400 heavily armed robocops..., 6 armored water cannon trucks..., 24 antiriot german shepherds..., 4 big Israeli drones and God knows what else...”
Being inventive again are we? CFK's own tweet indicates a slightly different scenario: “I arrive at the fourth floor. Two or three employees in the judge’s office. How strange, it always used to be full of people. Was it because of the time?”
Zaphod Beeblebrox (formerly Zaphod102)
TWIMC...
Nov 29th, 2016 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -7CFK's own tweets...:
http://www.eldestapeweb.com/los-ironicos-tuits-cristina-kirchner-contra-bonadio-y-la-seguridad-tribunales-n23118
TWEET Número Uno (Number One)...:
Cristina Kirchner @CFKArgentina
Hoy. 7:45 hs. Comodoro Py todo vallado. 300 gendarmes. 100 policías. 70 prefectos. 15 carros de asalto...
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
Inform yourself... Turnip...
Ha ha Think/voice
Nov 29th, 2016 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Evita K slinks in to the jail, hoping nobody will witness her humiliation of submitting to fingerprinting, like all arrested suspects.
TWIMC
Nov 29th, 2016 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Madame la Présidente..., today..., in my hood..., saying good bye to a brave man... and hello to her people...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2n2IWejSZYA
Enoy
“CFK's own tweets...:”
Nov 30th, 2016 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse +6The most reliable source of news ever. Right up there with Kicillof's “what inflation?”
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“....saying good bye to a brave man...”
Léase: “The very portrait of contemporary corruption offers her condolences for an unrepentant, murderous Marxist dictator.”
Al pan, pan.
Dink,
Nov 30th, 2016 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“Inform yourself... Turnip...”
“CFK's own tweets...:”
As Marti says, not the most reliable sources of information.
I try to inform myself which means I am very wary of the potential of fake news these days. Forgive me if I don't take “news” presented by someone who has a proven track record of being “inventive” from an unreliable, biased source at face value. Is there any independent evidence to support your claim?
I did a bit of a search but couldn't find any independent evidence for your claim. Maybe I missed something, but the onus is not on me to prove you wrong but for you to support your claim when challenged. I really would be a turnip if I accepted a CFK tweet as a reliable source without some other evidence. Do you have any more evidence? If not, I rest my case.
Anglo Turnip just above...
Nov 30th, 2016 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -6You say...:
“Forgive me if I don't take “news” presented by someone.... blah..., blah..., blahhhh...
I say...:
Forgive me if I remember what you just said six post above...:
”CFK's own tweet indicates a slightly different scenario: “I arrive at the fourth floor. Two or three employees in the judge’s office. How strange, it always used to be full of people. Was it because of the time?”
Zaphod Beeblebrox (formerly Zaphod102)”
Turnip....
I think the onus is on himself...
Dec 01st, 2016 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse -6To try and remember not to contradict himself...
...especially on the same thread...
Hilarious...;-))
Looks as though CFK's penchant for corruption knows no limits. It has long been suspected that there was some monkey-motion in her house here in Río Gallegos. So finally the Justice Department ordered a little investigation. The difference between the declared valuation and the current valuation just can't be explained by the effects of inflation.
Dec 01st, 2016 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Of course, this IS Argentina.
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Termino-tasacion-Cristina-doble-declaro_0_1697230264.html
@ML
Dec 01st, 2016 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2All that listing of house prices makes me feel like I'm accidentally reading the Daily Mail. I also don't think I needed to know about the warm atmosphere or her wooden coffee table.
It seems like quite an ordinary house for an ex-president though, why didn't she buy a mansion if she's stolen so much money?
£ 8.4 m
Dec 01st, 2016 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -6http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/16/article-2204154-04A4B75D0000044D-242_468x402.jpg
@DT
Dec 01st, 2016 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +5It is not her only property but the plan was for her and her late husband and then Maximo (though that was a disappointment) to keep them in the Pink House and Quinta de Olivos. Most of the money has been spirited away to safe havens overseas…..in the event of the plan to stay in power failing.
@ Think
Dec 01st, 2016 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Cryptic, but Google says that is Tony Blair's house in Connaught Square. According to the Daily Fail, he took out a mortgage on it in 2012 with JP Morgan, who pay him £2.5m a year for advice. I wonder what kind of advice is worth £2.5m a year?
@ EB
She was planning to have Maximo run for president? Seriously?
And where is she actually living now? In that house in the article?
Suuuure...
Dec 01st, 2016 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -5All U$S 120 billion...
Just Google “se robaron 120 mil millones”
By the way............. Cristina ate my hamster too...
”I think the onus is on himself... To try and remember not to contradict himself... ...especially on the same thread... Hilarious...;-))”
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Absolutely! Of course, it demonstrates my point exactly. CFK's own tweets appeared to contradict each other.
I questioned Think's claim based on CFK's tweets and I admitted that I hadn't done a thorough search (and a single CFK tweet is certainly not thorough) because the onus was on him to prove his claims. I never claimed that the CFK tweet that I posted proved anything, it was merely confusing and served to illustrate how unreliable as evidence her tweets are.
If you don't understand the difference between “Here's a CFK tweet, it must be true” (Think) and “Here's a CFK tweet, it proves nothing, but seems contradictory” (me) then you are a evidently a pair of root vegetables.
If you don't see the difference between providing a tweet yourself as evidence of what actually happened...
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -2...and not believing a tweet provided by someone else of what actually happened...
..is of course..contradictory...
Then claiming it is the other persons responsibility to prove their tweet is fact and yours isn't...
I feel your need to re-examine your understanding of ...onus...
Mr. Think provided the first tweet...you claimed it was untrue...
The onus is on you to disprove Mr. Think...not vice versa...
I think you are definitely headed for the stew...with a dash of black pepper...
Tellicherry on mine..., please...:-)
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -3The Kircheners were the greatest Argentino Presidentes that ever lived and after a couple of decades of unstinting public service thoroughly deserve to have accumulated wealth beyond the dreams of avarice.
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