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Losing US presidential candidates cry electronic vote foul, seek manual recount
Former Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein has launched a campaign to recount the votes in three key states where Donald Trump seized victory. For the Republicans, it is just an “expensive political stuntt” since the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton would need to reverse results in all three of those states to reach a different outcome. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThey should do the manual recount. If it is the same result it will stop the conspiracy theorists from talking about it for the next two decades. If it is true and the electronic voting system was hacked then this is a major fraud.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the vote will remain roughly the same.
Ole Bag finally picks a safe prognostication.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -5One has to wonder why Trump is so upset about it. He was the one who said he would only accept the result if he won the election. Haha.
Nov 27th, 2016 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If he was sensible he would relax and let the recount go ahead. What has he to be worried about?
@ EB
Nov 28th, 2016 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Please post a reliable link where Trump was quoted with “He was the one who said he would only accept the result if he won the election.” regarding the recounts.
I bet you can't.
@ ChrisR
Nov 28th, 2016 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Do your own research, you have nothing else to do. The video evidence exists so it shouldn't be too hard even for someone as retarded as you.
Well, I think the democraPs are throwing US$ 5 million down the toilet....It funny that the democrats now support the theory that voting fraud is possible, considering the fact that has caused them to acknowledge such a possibility, and contradicting their initial repulse to such a suggestion ...just hope that when they realize they've thrown their money away, they'll settle down and keep quiet.
Nov 28th, 2016 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ JB That's what I say, let them spend the money and it will stop the conspiracy theorists whining for the next four years; or hopefully longer. This is nothing new, every losing side cries fraud so a manual count will nip it in the bud.
Nov 28th, 2016 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Time for an audit of motor voter registrations.
Nov 29th, 2016 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse -1@ EB
Nov 29th, 2016 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2So I was right then, all in your 'mind', I am being generous here given your name calling “even for someone as retarded as you”.
@ChrisR
Nov 29th, 2016 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -3If you are too feeble-minded to find it, I can't help you. Both videos were played on mainstream news so you must be pretty dumb if you can't find them.
You have nothing else to do sitting there rotting in Uruguay, spitting venom at everyone for your failures and waiting for dinner or death, whichever come first to an old man.
@ EB
Nov 29th, 2016 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Your personal charm is exceeded only by your own mediocrity.
Tip: stop making it up about Trump, he will be far more effective with handling the EU than Tit's May ever will.
BTW, Tit's has admitted that her husband picks all her clothes, so it's the mans' fault - don't gag on it! Oh, alright then, gag as much as you can, try holding your breath for an hour or two.
@ ChrisR
Nov 29th, 2016 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2So because you are too stupid to watch the news or search recordings of Trump's word you don't believe he said it? You are making yourself look even more foolish with every post. it was all over the media.
As I told you before, I don't know of anyone named 'tits'.
You have some serious issues with women and you are probably too old to change but the world has. You just don't fit in anymore.
@ EB
Nov 30th, 2016 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it is the likes of females like you who don't fit in any more:
Indoctrinated that the man is bad, females are 'good' (Animal Farm);
Lying at the drop 'of a hat' and unable to deny it (because we see the evidence each time you post);
Unable to make a decision even if your life depended on it.
I could go on but we all know the truth of the matter.
Back to reality: a little levity:
DONALD AND HILLARY
Donald nips into his local bakery and bumps into Hillary.
As they enter the bakery, Hillary steals three jam doughnuts and puts them in her handbag.
She says to Donald, “See how clever I am? The owner didn’t see anything and I don’t even need to lie. I should really have won the election.”
The Donald says to Hillary, “That’s the typical dishonesty you have displayed throughout your entire life, trickery and deceit. I am going to show you an honest way to get the same result.”
Donald goes to the owner of the bakery and says, “Give me a doughnut and I will show you a magic trick.”
Intrigued, the owner accepts and gives him a doughnut.
Trump swallows it and asks for another one.
The owner gives him another one.
Then Donald asks for a third doughnut and he eats that, too.
The owner is starting to wonder where the trick is and asks,
“Where's the magic in that?”
Trump replies, “Look in Hillary’s handbag”
You have to laugh!
@ ChrisR
Nov 30th, 2016 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I have no problem with the men in my life; none at all.
Your posts are full of your hatred of women and xenophobia. Do you have a pejorative term for all foreigners?
You are condemned by your own posts, you silly old fool.
@ ChrisR
Nov 30th, 2016 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDwL9ox_i3s
Took all of 30 seconds to find. The comments are worth reading too:
“HAHAHA, this guy is so bad-ass and I love the smile after he points! I love the way he just toys with the stupid rigged media scoundrels...”
“LOVE HIM!!! The timing, his tone and the crowd's reaction is absolutely amazing!”
“Gangster!”
Isn't it reassuring that Americans are choosing their leader based on his comic timing, rather than experience and policies?
And here's the more serious statement, where he says he'll 'look at it at the time' when asked if he will accept the result of the election: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVdNci8ALlA (one link limit, but you should be able to copy and paste).
@ DT
Nov 30th, 2016 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I think people treat everything like a reality TV show. It is superficial, puerile and nasty. It seems to be a reflection of our media in general and that, in turn, shapes the actions of people who do not use critical thinking. It is big bucks for the media because they feed into and off the masses too lazy to think.
There is no doubt that this phenomenon is a reflection of the times but is reaching a saturation point. There are a lot of misconceptions about why we have reached this low point. It is too easy to write it off as a revolt against the establishment because the people voting the likes of Trump could not be more establishment.
@ DT
Nov 30th, 2016 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was on the 20th Oct.
The recount fiasco was much later.
You and EB just cannot accept that the despicable crook, who as SecOState caused the death of two diplomats and many marines, then LIED about it to their families just so she could blame others.
This feminist needs hanging, not the Presidency of the USA.
THAT is why the 'common' people voted for Trump. as I wrote at the time ABHC.
Remoaners and now Clintonites! When are you going to get into the real world?
EB has an 'excuse' she is a PL and will always be so unless she gets treatment. DT: you have no excuse.
@ ChrisR
Nov 30th, 2016 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Hahaha! So once again it has been proved that I am right and not lying. You, on the other hand, have been proven totally wrong again. Your distraction and moving on to a different point does not change that fact.
ChrisR, the liar exposed once again.
@ ChrisR
Nov 30th, 2016 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Yes, it was before the election. Why would he say something like that after he'd already won?
And if he had any sense he would accept the recounts; he was the one crying fraud beforehand. But based on his previous performance it would be totally out of character for him to act sensibly - he needs to keep up his reputation for threats and bluster.
About Clinton, I accept that anyone in that position has to make decisions that could get people killed. Bush's and Blair's decisions caused hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq, and no doubt some people still think their war was justified. But I don't support Clinton anyway, I just despise Trump and his methods.
As for being a 'Remoaner', why do you think losing the referendum would make me change my opinion? Democracy is a good way of forming a government, but it's a terrible way to decide facts. I may as well ask you why you complain about the FA and oppose them; they won the election didn't they?
@ ElaineB
Agreed that it's treated like reality TV. From what I heard those shows are popular with the stations because they are a lot cheaper to produce than 'real' programmes. In the same way the media has become a lot more cheaply produced as people expect free news on the web, and so there is less quality journalism and what is reported becomes more and more superficial.
I'm sure the media outlets were delighted with Trump and his 'controversy', and they gave him all the free publicity he could ask for. I barely heard about the other Republican candidates at all.
As for his voters, anti-establishment populism seems to be pretty successful anywhere people are unhappy with the status quo. Americans are no more immune to this than Argentines. But I suspect quite a lot of people voted for him exactly because we have no idea what he will do as president; all they know is that they are unhappy and want change, and he promised change.
@ ChrisR
Nov 30th, 2016 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Good joke.
@ ElaineB
I agree that the mass media is highly biased, inaccurate and unreliable, but that is also a result of the masses being too gullible to think beyond their noses.
And unfortunately, election campaigns have become nasty and personal, instead of focusing on government policies, because people, in general, have lost all sense of decency.
@DT
“About Clinton, I accept that anyone in that position has to make decisions that could get people killed.”
Regarding the Benghazi incident in 2012, in retrospect it became clear that what caused the death of the US ambassador and 3 other Americans, was both BO's and Hillary's lack of a decision...they refused to acknowledge the seriousness of what was happening, and didn't think it was necessary for a carrier - that was on close standby - to intervene. At the time she said it was “not a coordinated terrorist attack, but a spontaneous attack of violence born out of a protest of an anti-Islamic video”…so it was unimportant ? that made it less dangerous ? ...and, as Secretary of State she had also rejected previous appeals to heighten security…I remember the hearings held afterwards to get to the bottom of it, and both BO and Hillary were less than honest in their attempt to cover their incompetence ; there was no doubt in the Navy's mind that had they been allowed to act, the outcome would have been quite different. Given the scenario in the region, anyone in her position should have acted very differently...but the government 'machine' intervened to brush it aside as a 'fatality', that no one could foresee...and that's it ?
@ JB
Dec 01st, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It is not just the mainstream media but the amount of false news that is prevalent. People don;t seem to check sources at all but trawl the net looking for any article that seems to agree with their opinion and believe it to be true. This has become such a problem that FB is looking at how they can verify news articles in the future.
I used to think that with more information at people's finger tips they would become better informed. It is not the case. The majority of people are not taught critical thinking and don't know how to process information.
@EB
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Agree. Many sources on the internet are just there to plant fake news....looking for other sources to corroborate, or to disqualify the information, is what someone with a minimum IQ would do...but today, listening to people being interviewd on the streets, you get a good idea of just how ignorant the majority of people are.
It was notorious that under the PT (govts), many bloggers were paid milions every year, just to plant selected pieces of fake news on the internet , favouring the PT and criticizing the opposition...those who swallowed it, hook, line and sinker, as usual, were the ignoramus'.
So why are Trump's team trying to block the manual recounts? You would think they would want to stop all the conspiracy theories by proving the validity of the original count. This is a time for rebuilding confidence in the system and by stopping the recount they will do the opposite.
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Poor ole bag.
Dec 02nd, 2016 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Cliton is still trying to steal it.
Are you really that simple minded? Huh?
@EB
Dec 03rd, 2016 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I cannot answer that question as I don't know their real motives....perhaps they are just trying to give the more hysterical democrats a taste of their own medicine....
Anyway, hasn't MI already recounted and found nothing wrong ? Presumably each State has the autonomy to accept or to refuse the requests for a recount, so this might take a bit of time yet...
@ JB
Dec 04th, 2016 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse -1If that is the case then they would let the Democrats go ahead and embarrass themselves if the result is the same.
As I said before, it is more useful than not. It will stop conspiracy theories and restore some faith in the system which seems to be doubted by too many Americans. Trump casting doubt over the system before the vote and stating he might not accept the result unless he wins was a really bad move. That undermines democracy.
Speaking of Trump, he is already embarrassing himself with foreign affairs. You have to ask if he actually understands he is not a King but the representative of the U.S. and all of its interests.
Trump is doing exactly what the people want.
Dec 04th, 2016 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1They don't want an Obumma and they certainly don't want a Clinton.
The ONLY people who want that pair are the vested interests and the existing 'diplomatic' corps who are neither diplomatic or educated in the real world.
I think it's time for a new look at the future, whether Trump is the guy I don't know but he IS the president elect and every best wish and hope he does the correct thing for America, not just the banks, financiers, The Fed, etc.
@ ChrisR
Dec 04th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Meanwhile in the world outside your head, the ONLY people who want that pair are the 63.6m Americans who voted for Clinton, and the 65.9m who voted for Obama in 2012.
In cold hard fact, more than half the people object to what Trump is planning.
@ DT
Dec 04th, 2016 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Have you seen the fallout with the Lib / Dems, they are ganging up on Sanders now!
Trump has already selected a new head of the CIA which has been warmly welcomed compared with the Obumma failure.
Can't wait for the new head of the FBI to takeover and resurrect the dirt on Clinton.
Anyway the world inside my head is as real as the one outside it. :o)
@ ChrisR
Dec 04th, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Change the subject all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong.
Don't lie to yourself. The majority of Americans didn't want Trump and he can't do what 'the people' want anyway, since they all want different things.
@ DT
Dec 05th, 2016 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse -1So I am lying now am I?
You are getting like the PLEB.
Trump won using the system the Americans use, like the system or not.
As for 'half the voters not wanting Trump' (not according to their system - he won). it's no different to you Remoaners making trouble in the UK when actually, individually, MORE than half of those who voted did so for Brexit.
Do you not see you are being a little hypocritical?
@ ChrisR
Dec 05th, 2016 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Well, you said something that is demonstrably untrue. Perhaps you'd rather claim you were mistaken (you believed Trump received 90% of the vote perhaps?), or merely exaggerating (60m is close to 0, right?)
And I never said Trump didn't win. The Americans use a system where the candidate with the most votes does not always win; that's their choice. But it doesn't magically transform a minority into a majority, and it doesn't give him the support of more than half the people. If he wants that, he'll have to earn it once he's president.
As for me being hypocritical, when have I ever claimed that only vested interests and the 1% (or insert some other small groups) voted for Brexit? And what trouble have I ever made over it? Giving my honest opinion is not making trouble, it's what should happen in a free society. Whereas you were rather keen to criticise the Electoral College back when it appeared it might help Clinton win, but strangely it seems you now support it. Why the change of attitude?
@EB
Dec 05th, 2016 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“If that is the case then they would let the Democrats go ahead and embarrass themselves if the result is the same.”
That's what they should have done if they had been just a bit smarter.....to keep quiet and wait for the democrats to admit they were wrong would've been the best move...
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