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Beppe Grillo, Italy's Donald Trump: “I say NO”

Saturday, December 3rd 2016 - 08:03 UTC
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By Gwynne Dyer - “Today saying No is the most beautiful and glorious form of politics....Whoever doesn't understand that can go screw themselves.” It could have been Donald Trump before the US election two weeks ago, or Boris Johnson during the Brext campaign in Britain last June, but it was actually Beppe Grillo, founder and leader of Italy's populist Five Star Movement. Read full article


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  • The Voice

    And other opportunity, get your shorting bets on now. The shockwaves will make lots of money if you are brave enough

    Dec 03rd, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Living like a king again in food, cheap drink not the over inflated prices the Euro brought...
    Italians desperate for tourists and two feet across for buttons...
    Bring it on....

    Dec 03rd, 2016 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    If its NO,
    Will Matteo Renzi resign, or will his masters in the EU persuade otherwise.

    Dec 03rd, 2016 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Beppe Grillo
    “Today saying No is the most beautiful and glorious form of politics”

    This is exactly the problem with these populist movements. Saying no is easy, coming up with a workable alternative is hard. Any fool can see the problems in the current system, and now a lot of those fools are winning elections without having any practical ideas on how to fix them.

    Dec 04th, 2016 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Briton

    populist movements are not fools or foolish,
    but disenchanted people that are fed up with the so called corrupt incompetent politicians we seem to breed nowadays..
    just a popular thought.

    Dec 04th, 2016 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Do you think the same about the Kirchernists in Argentina and Lula and Dilma in Brazil, Briton?

    Dec 05th, 2016 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    The lesson to be had from the way Briton and the others here ratiotinate the world is this: if the loud-mouthed, uncouth, anti-trade, anti-foreigner, anti-integration, anti-globalization, acrimonious politicians come from FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES... then they are reflective of the wisdom of the people saying they are tired of the same old.

    If the EXACT SAME TYPE OF POLITICIAN is from Argentina, or so-called “Latin America”, then they are banana republic fools reflecting the ignorance and sheer stupidity of the masses.

    But no, there is no double-standard, or racism in that.


    Anglos and EUians and NorthAmoans will be racist fools. I am loving how CFK style populism is sweeping Europe, North America, and even Asia (look at Korea and Japan). CFK was not a socialist, she was just a populist nationalist anti-globalization president, just like all these new leaders and parties rising all over the “developed” (using that term very loosely), world.

    Who would have thought, CFK was ahead of her time and will go down as one of the initiators of a global movement following her leadership philosophy!!

    Dec 05th, 2016 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Oh dear, a country that needed root and branch reform now likely to remain in the brown stuff. North vs South. Young vs Old. A comedy of errors about to unfold on the EU. Next?

    Dec 05th, 2016 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Do you think the same about the Kirchernists in Argentina and Lula and Dilma in Brazil, Briton?

    I know not much about south American way of life,
    but you suggest that Argentina and brazils voters are all fools,

    populist parties are surely just a name given to a party that just happens to be popular,
    you could say that the LIB/DEMS were very popular last week, could you not,

    I find voters vote for whom they think is better for them, at that particular time when voting,

    but I could be wrong.

    Dec 05th, 2016 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ Briton
    I don't think the voters in Argentina and Brazil are any more foolish than in other countries. And I wasn't talking about parties that just happen to be popular, but if you thought that was what I meant then I totally understand your reaction. :)

    @ Fidel_CasTroll
    I'm not sure whether you are right, or if it is the different kinds of populism - left-wing in Latin America, vs right-wing in Europe and the USA - which causes the different reactions. And if it's the later, was the supposed dislike of populism just a smokescreen for the fact they hate any kind of left-wing government, or does the difference lie in the kind of rhetoric the populism is dressed in, which only appeals to certain groups of people?

    What we need is some kind of control condition; right-wing populists in a developing country, and left-wing ones in a developed one.

    Anyway, I'm sure you're don't actually care, but it's an interesting phenomenon.

    Dec 05th, 2016 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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