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Falklands: Argentine diplomats in Geneva for talks on identifying remains of soldiers at Darwin cemetery
Diplomats from the Malvinas Desk of the Argentine Foreign ministry have travelled to Geneva for crucial meetings later this week with their British, Falklands counterparts and Red Cross members to reach a definitive agreement on the DNA tests for the identification of the remains of Argentine combatants buried in the Darwin cemetery, following the 1982 conflict, reports Clarin. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThink assured us that this would never happen with the Islanders having a say??? Can we ever believe anything he says?
Dec 05th, 2016 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse +4Simple answer...No.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse +2However the Argentine foreign ministry has “several red lines”, it is a bilateral dialogue and not trilateral (as the Falkland Islanders pretend).
Dec 05th, 2016 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse +4Forget to mention the 'pretend sovereignty case' and Argentina's ''refusal'' to go to the ICJ and
Malcorra - Transplanted population MercoPress 10 Nov 2016 Malcorra said that historically the Argentine position was not to acknowledge for this case in particular the “self determination of peoples”, because 'kelpers' (Falkland Islanders) are a transplanted population, not aborigine. Incorrect. Paragraph 4 contains legislation: Falklands – Some Relevant International Law: https://www.academia.edu/17799157/Falklands_-_Some_Relevant_International_Law
So, the ICRC's “red line” regarding family consent is not (yet) being met?
Dec 05th, 2016 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Quite right Roger. ICRC were emphatic on 3 issues when here in June:
Dec 05th, 2016 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +71- Agreement has to be reached with all the Families Beforehand.
2- Falklands Islands Govt ARE part of it all - (whatever Buenos Airies may want to fart on about) as Arg or Families Commission will have to apply to FI Govt for the appropriate environmental planning permits etc etc..
3 - Families WILL be offered the option of repatriation of identified remains - and ICRC will honour what the family says NOT what Arg Govt says.
My money is on it not happening at all as the Argies will get in big huff and run away before signing.
Incidentally - the Wall behind their Cemetery with all the names of the fallen on it IS crumbling to bits and very likely to fall over totally in the next year or two as so poorly constructed and designed.
Also the graves will be shortly overgrown with weeds as nobody does any maintenance work there.
All a bit sad for the lads buried there - but Buenos Aires,s problem.
Islander1
Dec 05th, 2016 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -10“Incidentally - the Wall behind their Cemetery with all the names of the fallen on it IS crumbling to bits and very likely to fall over totally in the next year or two as so poorly constructed and designed.”
Poorly constructed...?
What were your last words about the wall...?
“A British contractor working in the Islands was paid by the Commission to do the works once the materials had been shipped here from Argentina”
Best refer them to Morrison's and ask if there was any warranty for the works they provided...
“Argentine diplomats”
Dec 05th, 2016 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3- an oxymoron
I expect those attending will find that each of the participants has some red lines. They will each have to consider how important they are in face of the humanitarian imperative......the wishes of the families are paramount.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1If Argentina gets its way, this will never end,
Dec 05th, 2016 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +4just a delaying tactics,
Perhaps they should be extracted and sent home.
Voice- nothing wrong with the way the wall was put up on site at all. The problem is with the shoddy design and way it was pre-cast in sections in Buenos Aires.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +9Not solid stone- just thin stone veneer tiles about 12mm thick- stuck onto a now exposed cheap poor quality concrete/plaster as the glue has failed and the tiles are falling off one after the other. Resin also now leaking out of the joints where the chemicals used are reacting.
Basically a shoddy job from Argentina which is falling to bits - maybe it is OK in BA - but not exposed to the weather down here.
It is in urgent need of serious repairs.
TWIMC...
Dec 05th, 2016 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -9MercoPress article misquotes the original article from Clarin by witing...:
- ”It is a bilateral dialogue and not trilateral (as the Falkland Islanders pretend).”
The original Clarin article says...:
- It is a bilateral dialogue, not a trilateral one (the Islanders can't figure on the documents)
(Se trata de un diálogo bilateral y no trilateral (los isleños no pueden figurar en los documentos.))
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Reunion-Ginebra-acordar-ADN-Malvinas_0_1699030154.html
And that's the way the cookie crumbles...
Them Kelpers will not be mentioned in the final documents...
Mr. Roger Lorton...
Juppppp..., the ICRC's “red line” regarding family consent has been met...
The three boys metioned in the article above are not NN's ...
They have each a name on their tumbstone...
None of them will be DNA tested...
Mr. Islander1...
Nothing wrong with Darwin cemetery fusioning with nature... Makes it even more Patagonic...
Mr. Voice...
Well noted...
Wouldn't surprise me, them Engrish used sea water to mix the cement...
Auuuuuuuuld trick..., when you want to sabotage any construction....
Mr. GALlamosa
You got my positive vote +
Mr. Think
Dec 05th, 2016 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -8I expect what Islander1 is seeing is efflorescence...
High salt content...
Probably from the sand....in the mortar....
Some folk think they can use any sand, building sand is washed and refined to eliminate high salt content...
Exactly...
Dec 05th, 2016 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -8I Think we should listen to the Voice of Islander1 who lives there and has seen it first hand, not dabble in idle speculation. After all a nation that built a 'roll over' destroyer and submarines that can't submerge must remain the prime suspect ;-)
Dec 05th, 2016 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The argies will be shown for what they are: meddling in politics despite the feelings of the relatives.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Despicable, as always.
'It is a bilateral dialogue, not a trilateral one (the Islanders can't figure on the documents)'....says who , under which law.
Dec 05th, 2016 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +4And if different FI departments are required by local law to give certain permissions, then they are going to be in the documentation paper trail. If Argentina want to remove them from their package, then I guess that is their right, but I would like to see where it is written in law that the islanders can't be included.
I thought the Arg. Gov. said it was a humanitarian issue not a political one.....seems like they want an excuse to make it into a political one.
Think - the wall was constructed in BA in big sections - the mortar mixed in the Islands between the big sections is fine. It is the seams within theses sections that are deteriorating - the work done in Argentina. The fake stone tiles- its the crappy Argie glue or cement that holds them on that is failing
Dec 05th, 2016 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3But yes a level of this type of stain does indeed happen over time as has been pointed out - but Buenos Aires needs to get of its arse and get repairs and renovations made before it is to late!
I like Thinks comment on a collapsed wall fitting in with Patagonia.
It would be a shame though if nothing is done and it collapses - bit of an insult to all those buried there.
And I am afraid that to get something done - somebody in Argentina will have no option but to direct communicate with us as they will need to find someone here to do the job- and be paid.
As I tried to explain to you before..., Islander1
Dec 05th, 2016 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Those boys don't need no Disneyland..., no Graceland... nor Neverland...
A humble little Patagonian corner to rest is enough...
We are used to it...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4yM7PNYkTB8/Te-QoTvHUcI/AAAAAAAADrw/rWLY4QNDcqg/s1600/cementerio1doble_100.jpg
Think- I get the message now. Rest assured - if it does all fall over from Arg neglect - I reckon our side will at least bulldoze it all away into a big hole and leave the site bare and tidy with just the crosses over the graves and a fence. Albeit for us they were fighting wrongly, one cannot dispute that they were soldiers- in uniform- fighting for their country and one assumes what they believed in - however wrong from our view, so they deserve some respect. They were not the drunken Generals who caused it
Dec 05th, 2016 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +9Agree...
Dec 05th, 2016 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Argentina is becoming more and more similar to countries like Haiti and Bolivia - when are they going to show some form of dignity in their international dealings?
Dec 05th, 2016 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +4England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Dec 06th, 2016 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse -10England? England has no powers to “return” anything - you should investigate the circumstances!
Dec 06th, 2016 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse +7England will return the Malvinas within 25 years
Dec 06th, 2016 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +6In 25 years time Argentina would have broken up into bits,
and the mythical Malvinas would be independent anyway.
and the British Falkland's will still be there, FREE
“Diplomats from the Malvinas Desk of the Argentine Foreign ministry have travelled to Geneva ...”
Dec 06th, 2016 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“Malvinas Desk?” I bet they are kept busy dealing with all the goings on from a mythical place.
Have they actually found their “Lost Malvinas” yet?
I hear little birds singing. The road is rocky and pessimism reigns. Argentina trying to change the last agreement - to its own advantage............... as usual. Argentina doesn't need enemies when it is so capable of shooting itself in both feet.
Dec 08th, 2016 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse +5Lest we forget: The Islanders' War
Dec 10th, 2016 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse +3https://youtu.be/7pBJviHDA5E
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