US Electoral College 538 ballots set to confirm Trump as president despite controversial campaign

Monday, December 19th 2016 - 07:42 UTC

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The next chapter in the tumultuous U.S. presidential election takes place on Monday at the Electoral College which is expected to officially confirm that billionaire real estate mogul Donald Trump as the US 45th president. Read full article

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ChrisR
Oh, the Clintonites, they are sore losers that's for sure.

A bit like The Remoaners and just as ineffective.

Hard Brexit NOW!
Dec 19th, 2016 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Brit Bob
What will Trump do about the Spanish?

Spanish Guardia Civil vessel Rio Cedena twice tried to disrupt the visit by ballistic missile sub USS Florida as it was approaching the British Overseas Territory on the southern tip of Spain.

According to the Sun, the incident has caused outrage among senior officials in Gibraltar with one 'top source' saying: 'This is not only a very dangerous game for the Spanish to play but it is unbecoming of a NATO ally to treat the US Navy with such contempt.'

(Daily Mail 6 May 2016)

Gibraltar is an important NATO base.
The Spanish claim that Gibraltar has no territorial waters. They obviously got that one wrong.

Gibraltar – Territorial Waters:-

https://www.academia.edu/30105020/Gibraltar_Territorial_Waters
Dec 19th, 2016 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1
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ChrisR
The reason the Spaniards acted 'forcefully' was down to Obumma being a spineless wet rag.

Trump will respond to any nation that's 'disses' the US but it won't be armed as a first move, probably withdrawing certain diplomatic features such a closing access to the US.

Anyway the Spanish are a bunch of spineless cretins and up to now I thought only the useless 'Call me Dave' could have let it get this far but 'No mates' May seems to heading that way also.
Dec 19th, 2016 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Briton
Just let trump get on with the job and give him time,

As for the seedless Spanish, lets hope we also grow a spine hen we leave the EU,

And a few more ships would help.
Dec 19th, 2016 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
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chronic
304.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse -1
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Marti Llazo
Yes, 304 electors voted for Trump, with two defections, but still easily enough for the presidency.

Most curious that Clinton had 5 defectors. But then, those are also called “faithless electors.”

Game over.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse -1
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chronic
Yes, 304 is more than 270.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse -1
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:o))
U.S. presidential elections are not determined by the popular vote - THAT's the PROBLEM!
Dec 20th, 2016 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse -1
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Marti Llazo
@ :o))

The problem. Or the opportunity. It works both ways.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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:o))
In any democracy; whoever the majority of the population votes for; eventually is the leader/President/PM.

It's called a “popular vote” and is not acceptable to the electorate system in the USA? WHY?
Dec 20th, 2016 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
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Marti Llazo
@ :o)) “In any democracy; whoever the majority of the population votes for; eventually is the leader/President/PM. ”

Except you have evidence that what you wrote is demonstrably untrue. And even in the US there have been four previous events in which presidents have been elected without winning the popular vote. Trump is number 5. When there are two terrible candidates in the two major parties it's almost inevitable that you're going to get one of the bad ones.

Democratic countries elect their leaders in various ways. As was mentioned earlier as an example, Salvador Allende was not elected as president of “democratic” Chile in 1970 by popular vote, but by appointment of the Chilean legislature. Something they later regretted, but that is another matter. And there are many other nations, large and small, that are nominally “democratic” which don't use the popular vote to elect their leaders. Germany, for example, doesn't use popular vote, but an electoral college analogous to that of the US.

If the Americans really didn't like their electoral system, they have certainly had a long time to think about changing it. During the years since their constitution was approved there has been only pedestrian grumbling about it and never a meaningful attempt to change it. Ergo, not enough people there don't like it. And maybe also a substantial number of people accept its value and utility. Anyway, there is almost zero chance that it will be changed anytime soon. Your preferences may differ with the reality of the present situation. Pero es lo que hay.
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