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12 people killed as lorry crams into Berlin German Christmas market
A Polish-registered lorry crammed into a Christmas market in Berlin on Monday, killing 12 people and injuring nearly 50, it was reported. A suspect believed to be the driver at the time of the impact was arrested, Berlin police said. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTrump called murkill out for her folly now the German people pay the price for it.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -6A little sympathy would be in order...not blame...
Dec 20th, 2016 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Sympathy for people that knowingly bring this potential for violence into their own homeland?
Dec 20th, 2016 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -6What are you smoking?
But didn't the anti-terrorist police know that the same trick happened in Nice, France, in July THIS YEAR?
Dec 20th, 2016 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I always thought the Germans learnt from history, apparently not, even recent history.
There are hundreds of Christmas markets across Europe - how would it be possible to police them all with anti-terrorist police? At the height of the IRA mainland bombing campaign they still managed to set off bombs - even though they had done it before. It is more than dumb to to think that it is even slightly possible to police every situation.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I am here in NYC and there is extra security at the Christmas markets and outside Trump Tower and armed police in Times Square but I suspect if someone wanted to shoot, stab, bomb or mow down pedestrians, they would be able. The key is intelligence not brute force and at the moment the intelligence services are so stretched they cannot monitor all suspects.
@ ElaineB
Dec 20th, 2016 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I get the impression that Germany is a lot less prepared for dealing with terrorism than Britain. They have a history with intelligence agencies and spying on their own citizens that is uncomfortable to say the least, and they haven't really suffered much terrorism until recently.
But I guess they will be forced to step up surveillance and precautions now, as well as policing. Even so, it's impossible to stop every attack, as you say.
It's sad that this is happening there. Really, if Merkel was determined to take in refugees it would have been much better to get them directly from the camps. As well as being able to screen out terrorists, they could have made sure they got actual refugees, and it would have saved a lot of people from drowning in the Med while trying to cross to Greece. Not to mention avoiding pissing off all of Germany's neighbours.
The California legislature has introduced a bill that would ban assault lorries.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Almost everyone that I personally know is armed to the teeth in anticipation of street crime or terrorism.
Dec 20th, 2016 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -5So FOC has potentially become a little bit more competitive for you average islamic terrorist.
Anglo Turnip just above...
Dec 20th, 2016 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -4So FOC has become a lot easier for you average WASP Timothy McVeighian terrorist.... ya mean...?
In private, Murrah survivors tend to thank the franchise that brought us Ruby Ridge and Waco -
Dec 20th, 2016 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -5William Jefferson Clinton
Ah, Chronic, who claims he isn't afraid of his fellow Americans. Armed to the teeth in anticipation of street crime or terrorism.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse +4Monkey, we've got more guns in private ownership than we do people thanks in part to Obamy and the democrats.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse -5And, most Americans fear the federal government much morr than they do any private gun toter.
Criminals are rolling the dice any time that they try to practice their trade.
@chronic
Dec 21st, 2016 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The last stix I saw on the subject of robberies each year went something like this:
USA 123 robberies per 100,000 population per year
Argentina 973 robberies per 100,000 population per year
I think Argentina is under-reporting
@46 states recognize castle doctrine so a burglar is really rolling the dice when he enters.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse -223 states have stand your ground laws so non structure robbery isn't without its possible costs.
“most Americans fear the federal government much morr than they do any private gun toter.”
Dec 21st, 2016 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse +3That's really sad. You're terrified of your own government despite living in a democracy, and you hate and fear half your fellow citizens.
What's it like living your life in fear, chronic?
Monkey, there you go again with your attempt at psycho babble transference.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse -3lol.
We've already witnessed your weak efforts in this regard.
Do you have any little tidbits of fact or even well reasoned opinion to share on our topic?
Probably not . . . . .
IT WAS A TRUCK!
Dec 21st, 2016 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse -3Not a private car.
Energy imparted into the target is calculated from 1/2MassxVelocity squared of the 'projectile'.
The truck if unloaded would weigh about 40 tonnes (44 tonnes in UK).
It is very easy to prevent a truck getting through to pedestrians by the use of specially shaped concrete forms. Trucks are very low to the ground (fuel economy) and the vast majority have solid beam front axles, VERY easy to destroy.
My trucks were also hardened with special door locks that allowed the driver to lock himself in without relying on the truck's pressed metal locks: safety of the driver and load being the object.
Also, not temporarily altering the shape of the road access (with blocks) allowed the truck to get up speed. German police carry sidearms and are trained in using them and given the fact that these simple, cheap, changes would have stopped the truck without the use of terrorist police the driver could have been shot to death instead of escaping.
I do love the simplistic statements made on here from people who have never experienced truck theft and think unarmed citizens are safe.
@ ChrisR
Dec 21st, 2016 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminiscing about your days as a lorry driver? You are right I was never a gun-toting, lorry driver but what has that to do with anything?
It is impossible to protect all of the people all of the time. That is the fact that you can't grasp.
@ ChrisR
Dec 21st, 2016 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Yes, bollards etc can be used to protect from this sort of attack, and are rather common now in the UK. For example they were installed in airports after the Glasgow attack.
But as I said Germany has not suffered much terrorism until recently, and seems to be rather reluctant to take the necessary precautions.
However, they can (and should) install anti-truck devices, and whatever precautions they like based on past attacks. It won't stop the terrorists coming up with new ideas that they haven't prepared for. That is why intelligence is so necessary.
Oh, and Elaine is right. It is impossible to protect all of the people all of the time. We all face risks at every moment of every day; we should take sensible precautions and accept the rest.
@ chronic
“Do you have any little tidbits of fact or even well reasoned opinion to share on our topic?”
Wow, the irony is painful. You have literally shown zero ability to reason or think for yourself in all your comments on here. Your posts are mostly opinions ripped straight from right-wing blogs or Trump's 'twits'.
There are posters on here who share some of your views who it is possible to have a sensible debate with, but you invariably resort to insults and childish name-calling, making it pointless to even try.
I used to go to the German Christmas markets...every year wandering along sipping hot mulled wine...they meander through the streets lots of stalls...it would be really difficult to restrict access to them...
Dec 21st, 2016 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Found a pic of one...
http://www.daringgourmet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/market.jpg
@ Yes, I have visited a few in Germany, Austria and the U.S. The ones here now have heavily armed police officers on the perimeters but, to be honest, they are just there for show. They couldn't stop a bomb - people are not being searched. There are a few officers but many entrances to the markets. Actually, they wouldn't stop a regular U.S. mass shooting before considerable harm had been done. If a rogue gunman was in the middle of the market shooting the officers couldn't open fire from the perimeter.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@DT I think they used up the NYC supply of concrete bollards outside Trump Tower. You can't even walk on the pavement outside without being questioned by police. I would imagine the owners of the Tiffany and Gucci stores are fuming.
Concrete barriers, bullet proof vests and bomb sniffing dogs are simply wrong headed.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Don't engage in the mass importation of crazies - leave them where they were born.
You'll still have problems but you won't be compounding them exponentially with refugee programs of dubious merit.
Murkill is gone.
And unlike the Ole Bag's failed prognostication of a Trump election induced market implosion - which may break 20K any minute - this will actually happen.
I didn't grow up watching bomb attacks on the news because of the import of crazies. They were set off by white Christians, who got their funding from America.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the Islamist terrorists in the UK were born right here. Their parents, who were 'imported', didn't let of bombs or stab people on trains. So what happened to them?
Anyway, I said what I think about Merkel's refugee policy above, but it's important to realise that not all or even most of the refugees are crazies. Letting people in with no checks was foolish because among other reasons it allowed some crazies to come in with the sane people.
Right now there are a few enemies in Germany. If they decide to blame all the migrants, then they will have a million enemies.
Oh, and if we let the Neo-Nazis win, there'll be nothing left worth fighting for. There's not a whole lot of difference between them and the Islamists.
@ChrisR
Dec 21st, 2016 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4”The truck if unloaded would weigh about 40 tonnes (44 tonnes in UK).”
Not likely.
Typical weight in pounds with typical tractor+trailer, empty, about 34000 lbs or 17 tonnes. Far from your 40 tonnes.
Monkey, in case you have limited experience, I'll take this opportunity to recommend an assortment of armament for use in the personal defense of yourself from nasties or islamists or whatever other group you may fear:
Dec 21st, 2016 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Start with a 9mm pistol.
It has relatively low recoil so it won't injure your delicate wrist, is concealable and the ammo is ubiquitous.
Next, an AK clone and either an AR or a Ruger mini because you'll need to be able to digest 7.62 X 39 and .223 dependent upon whose lines that you're behind.
For the house or the office - it's hard to beat a 12 gauge pump, just point and pull.
If your little world goes full apocalypse - it would be nice to have a .22 rifle so you could shoot the larger rats for your dinner or covertly cut down on your competition for resources.
If at some point you wish to abandon your liberal passivity - a .308.
You don't give up that much compared to a 30-06, you can still reach out/touch someone with authority and there's a lot of it present in the world's arsenals (better a bolt with 6 to 8xish optics than a 14 or fal or the like).
You be sure and keep an eye out for those pesky Caucasian followers of our Lord and Savior, OK?
@ Chronic
Dec 21st, 2016 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You are such a twat. Just like ChrisR you are terrified of your own shadow.
The U.K. does not have a gun culture and an individual cannot own the guns you list. (You must have heard ChrisR whining about them taking his guns away from him). And I am heartily glad we don't need to have guns to feel safe in the U.K.
Elaine, Merry Christmas!
Dec 21st, 2016 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -4@ chronic
Dec 21st, 2016 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3All those weapons are illegal here, and also unobtainable. That is why the recent attacks in the UK, by both Islamists and Neo-Nazi's, have mostly used knives. And they haven't managed to kill as many people as the US ones, for that very reason.
Thankfully the IRA have mostly stopped their attacks, so I don't need to worry about them any more.
But I don't worry much anyway. I don't need to carry a gun to feel safe walking down the street, and I sleep just fine at night without having one under my pillow. I don't spend my days worrying that the government are out to get me.
What are you so afraid of, chronic? Fema death camps? Super predators? Muslim children with home-made clocks? The zombie apocalypse? In America the person most likely to shoot you is... you.
Some fear is rational and healthy, but when it gets out of hand it's very harmful for your mental health.
In contrast to the UK, America's freedoms aren't bestowed upon its citizenry by government - nor is there maintenance reliant upon it.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -5If my memory serves me correctly we've demonstrated this directly to your government on at least two previous occasions and on two more occasions our culture of gun violence has saved your islanders from the task of learning German.
Now why should Americans defend Europe when Europeans won't develop the skills and resources to do it for their selves?
lol.
In case you haven't figured it out - England is a mere shadow of what it was 120 years ago and it's sadly a weak and pathetic money changer and little else other than some long past glory.
Amazing how all those armies fought without a gun culture...
Dec 21st, 2016 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Most folk would rather have Yanks fighting in front of them than behind....
The Brits used to love shooting sports . . .
Dec 21st, 2016 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Not the working class...
Dec 21st, 2016 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Yanks aren't defending Europe..it's called a first line of defence...
If there is a war that is where they want to fight it...
America didn't declare war on Germany...Germany declared war on America...
Yanks learn fast...
Tinkerbell - OUR defense is stored in some missile silos.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You really ought to consider trying to quit the cheap vine as its beginning to show more than a little in your failed logic.
You are like every other Yank I've come across...
Dec 21st, 2016 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -4They think they are tough...
My Yankee brother in law has an arsenal, he hunts all the seasons from bows, crossbows through the musket season and rifle etc, he hunts everything from deer to bear...I've even seen him shoot fish...when there's nothing else...
Yet I can kick his skinny ass without even breaking into a sweat...
His guns don't make him a better fighter...
...failed logic much...?
@Voice
Dec 21st, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“If there is a war that is where they want to fight it.. ”
I guess that is why the Americans had the “World Trade Center” destroyed in Europe.
Poor General Voice - always fighting the last war, never catching up to the present.
So your sister is sleeping with the enemy?
Dec 21st, 2016 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Figures.
lol.
You need to taper off the juice . . .
I do realise that you're a Yank an all...but you do realise that having a sister is not the only way to get a brother in law...don't you...?
Dec 21st, 2016 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -3If you think that Yanks are my enemy...I guess it's me that's sleeping with the enemy...;-)))
Marti...not only an expert on all things South American...but North American too...
Do you want to remind me the last time the Yanks fought a war on their own territory...?
Haha. Americans aren't the enemy.
Dec 21st, 2016 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I'm not prejudiced, some of my best friends are Americans.
I see that Voicey still does not understand the concept of “war.”
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse +3Still enthralled with his 19th century notions.
..I don't know...let me think...
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse -3WW1
WW2
Korean War
Vietnam War
Gulf War
Bosnian War
Kosovo War
War in Afghanistan
Iraq War
Libyan Civil War
Is that recent enough for you...on American soil were they...?
Don't bother, Marti clearly doesn't understand the modern concept of war himself. Especially cyber warfare.
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0A cyber warrior...he's always attacking Argentina....
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse -4Not a citizen...Deport him...;-)
Benghazi?
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse -4@ ML
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse -4We don't use lbs in UK.
Max GVW in UK is 44 tonnes, tractor has to be 3 axle and that, plus any trailer type used, must have 'road friendly' suspension / tyres.
Tractor weight is just under 8 tonnes, trailer plus load is 36 tonnes, trombone skelly is 8 tonnes, container gross 28 tonnes (up to 45' in UK).
Fereign trucks generally overload their 38 / 40 tonne max and this can be verified by looking at any UK port with Customs / VOSA waiting to pull them over as they egress.
@ PL EB
“You are such a twat. Just like ChrisR you are terrified of your own shadow”
Firstly, I see you just cannot help yourself with the insults, can you?
Thankfully I am no where near as big a twat as that oversized smelly thing, untouched as it is by men, that you have between your legs.
And you seem to forget it was your RCC 'boyfriend' and YOU that threatened my wife and I by having me 'tracked down'.
When, if ever, are you going to behave like a woman and not a harpy 'standing up to men' and scion of the 'feminist' movement?
I bet you go down a treat with all the other wacko's in New York. Home from home is it?
Voicey, so 19th century. Fails to understand that the world has passed him by, that there exists a contemporary concept of asymmetrical warfare which yes, has affected the continental US. Just as voicey's perpetually failed understanding of history allows him to forget the parts of the US that were attacked during WWII.
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3@ ChrisR
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Thankfully I am no where near as big a twat as that oversized smelly thing, untouched as it is by men, that you have between your legs.”
You shouldn't speak to your wife using that gutter language.
”YOU that threatened my wife and I by having me 'tracked down'.'
No one has ever threatened your wife (except maybe you) and no one has threatened to track you down. I explained it would be easy to do so; that's all. YOU on the other hand DID try to track me down, so let's keep to the facts.
Your complex issues with women would keep a conference of psychiatrists busy and you really shouldn't be displaying your problems on this message board. It makes you look like a bitter, senile old man.
Look at the way you scramble to find as many insults as you can, however tenuous. BTW I am no longer in NYC but I can tell you that it is not filled with 'wackos'. From your comments I can only assume you have never travelled much but believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.
Yep, Pearl Harbor was too obvious.
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Most likely some Embassy facility.
Back to the avatar: I've seen the hammers on an 1895 mauser.
Was that it...the best you can come up with was the Japanese dropped bombs on some islands in the Central Pacific, 2,390 miles from California...
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Hey the French bombed Gibraltar in WW2...so what....
Voicey, your grasp of history is far worse than previously imagined. Keep googling, or get help.
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +3...almost as bad as your grasp of War....World Trade Centre....jeez...
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -5@ PL EB
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Deflecting the 'argument' again?
ITha never works and you will NEVER accept you are wrong, or in fact any feminist is wrong.
I think that may be the basis for your pathological lying, is the Diazepam working, it doesn't seem to be?
Hawaii wasn't a state when Pearl Harbour was attacked. Therefore not US soil. I do believe a German submarine attempted to shell the US coast at some point during WWII though.
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ChrisR
ElaineB has often said CFK is wrong. Also your latest posts clearly break the website rules, as well as being extremely tasteless, to say the least.
@ DT
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Why the reference to the PL EB and CFK?
@DT
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +31. Simply not being a “state” does not make a national territory other than a national territory and a part of that country. If Hawaii in 1941 was not a part of the United States, why did that country consider persons born there to be US citizens? (viz., 8 U.S. Code § 1405). Are the Juan Fernández islands not a part of Chile simply because they are several hundred KM from the mainland? Does the Colombian island of San Andrés belong to Nicaragua simply because it's closer to that country? Are the Galápagos Islands not part of Ecuador because they are offshore? Does Aruba belong to someone other than the Dutch?
2. The US considers the 2001 World Trade Center-related attacks to be “acts of war.” That is found not only in their military and foreign-service doctrine but also in their civil law. The latter case of interpretation was affirmed by their Supreme Court a few years ago. That some from other countries may offer opposing viewpoints doesn't alter the affirmed position of the Big Dogs.
3. There were a number of Japanese attacks on the continental US during WWII. Their relative lack of success does not alter the fact of the attacks and their intent. Nor does the inability of forum participants to locate the details erase them from history.
Your opinions may differ.
Monkey, you really are ignorant.
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3And now you want to moderate Chris's behavior.
When the Ole bag called me female genitalia you didn't chastise it.
Your interests might be better served by spending time studying government and rudimentary law as your posts evidence your obvious ignorance of both.
War...?
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Name the countries, or the combatants, name the battles, when did it start, when did it finish...
Person or persons suspected, but never proved...
There was no war...
The war on terrorism is merely an expression...which gives endless scope to lay blame...
Tinkerbell, this is what they currently hang their hat on
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -4https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/senate-joint-resolution/23
for the war on terror.
“He determines”...like I said, endless scope to lay blame...
Dec 22nd, 2016 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -2No mention of war though just, the authorisation to use military force...
I expect it would require another resolution to actually go to war...
@ML
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1941 anyone born in Britain or it's colonies was a British subject. It didn't make the colonies part of Britain and we don't usually say that Japan invaded and occupied British soil. Hawaii may have been considered part of the US even before it became a state, but none of your examples support that assumption.
The US can call anything it likes an act of war but that doesn't make it so. What country was it who attacked them? Do you consider the hijackers to be soldiers?
As for Japanese attacks on the US mainland, I already mentioned a German one, so I don't know what point you are trying to make.
lol.
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse -5@DT:
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse +4“The House meets this Saturday to respond to a situation of great gravity. We are here because, for the first time for many years, British sovereign territory has been invaded by a foreign power. After several days of rising tension in our relations with Argentina, that country's armed forces attacked the Falkland Islands yesterday and established military control of the islands. ”
DT: “The US can call anything it likes an act of war but that doesn't make it so.”
Actually, it does, within their system and their ability to project force. And they have shown that they will break things and hurt people in convincing others that “it is so.”
Of course, voicey still does not understand that the Japanese bombings of the continental US during WWII, while on a small scale, were considered to be acts of war. But there is so much that voicey does not understand.
@ML
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse -4If we are counting colonies as part of countries then the Philippines was invaded and occupied by Japan during WWII, and actual battles were fought there. Would you say the Philippines was 'US soil' at the time?
In any case, the attacks on the continental US were a very minor part of the war, and it's true that the vast majority of the fighting took place in other countries.
'And they have shown that they will break things and hurt people in convincing others that “it is so.”'
So you think that might makes right then?
Attacking the American fleet at Pearl Harbor was also considered an act of war...what is your point..?
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse -5Is your point that America likes to fight its wars on American soil or that America prefers to fight it's wars as far away from American soil as possible...
..because all the American Bases strategically located across the world from which the Americans have launched numerous attacks is starting to make you look stupid...
@ ChrisR
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Rambling nonsense from you again. Sad.
The point is - that the conical protrusion on the top of Tinkerbell's head is internally vacuous and that the space directly beneath it is occupied by feces and even so - TB is infinitely more skilled at rhetoric than is the simian, Monkey.
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Two questions...
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Who is Tinkerbell...?
...and what is feces...?
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Even though you are a half wit equipped with no moral compass you are on occasion infinitely more reasonable and entertaining than Monkey.
@ ChrisR
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Missed your comment earlier.
You said ElaineB would never admit any feminist is wrong, but she often says CFK is wrong.
Cretina a femanazi?
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -5@ DT
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I have to assume ChrisR's short term memory is shot. I have often said on here is I have misunderstood or got something wrong. He can't remember. I have often criticised CFK and other women on here if it is called for. He can't remember. But unlike him I am not obsessed with gender.
And despite my explaining the meaning of feminism as being just two simple words 'equal opportunities', he still can't grasp the concept. I don't know what his background is with women but he has more issues than Reader's Digest. He is too old to change but the world has changed and he just doesn't fit in.
Cretina isn't a femanazi or a radical social justice warrior of any stripe.
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3She tries to embrace her long since departed femininity and always operates as a passive aggressive gender submissive.
Murkill and Cliton however should be fitted for matching orange pantsuits.
@ElaineB
Dec 23rd, 2016 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I daresay he'd have no trouble remembering if he actually wanted to.
I have met quite a few men who had a lot of trouble with the concept of feminism. And similarly, it seems they would have no problem understanding it IF they really wanted to.
Chronic..
Dec 24th, 2016 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse -4...how typically parochial of you to assume that orange pantsuits are used outside America...
betcha don't have a passport....;-)
I hope I do or I won't be able to go home!
Dec 24th, 2016 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse -4Is everyone enjoying the voice/Chronic ploy to try to establish themselves having different and distinct operators?
Dec 24th, 2016 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse -1:-)
“Chronic” googles his background info just as wee man “voice” does.
Neither of them have even been to America.
“voice” - all your supposed travels are in the distant past.
Wassa matta, passport revoked? Criminal record? Not even tuppence to rub together??
Total fiction, perhaps?
Count the increase of downticks from last night and then you will see how many accounts the Supermarionation puppet Troy Tempest has...;-)
Dec 24th, 2016 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2What an idiot...
...the clue was always in the name..
wee man, voice
Dec 24th, 2016 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse -2weak response. Just more nonsense.
More likely that you're just as “unpopular” here on MP, as you are at home or where people know you best.
Keep spreading your hate at Christmas - it's so 'you'.
Who is this...?
Dec 24th, 2016 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse -5It surely can't be Troy Tempest...unless you are a liar...?
Are you a liar Troy...?
Or don't you remember this...?
”Troy Tempest
Skip,
I will no longer be posting on here as Troy Tempest (or any other persons or User name)
The stinking Trolls have rendered this site useless by their multiple accounts and fake logins.
I have sent you an email to verify that I am the legit “Troy” writing this.
Consider anything else posted by Troy Tempest as fake.
Cheers,
TT”
Did I just prove you to be a liar...?
@ voicey
Dec 24th, 2016 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“how typically parochial of you to assume that orange pantsuits are used outside America... ”
In other countries at least they get the colour right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o
How long did it take you to find an ex US colony wearing T-shirts and tracksuit bottoms that are Orange...?
Dec 24th, 2016 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Always trying, but never quite getting there....;-)
@ DT
Dec 24th, 2016 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“Missed your comment earlier......You said ElaineB would never admit any feminist is wrong, but she often says CFK is wrong.”
So you think TMBOA was a feminist? I don't think so and she would have had PL EB chucked out of The Dark Country by the La Campora thugs if she had seen some of the comments.
Feminists want a level playing field' or 'equal chances' but that is just a ploy to get MORE than men. Ask yourself why The Equality Commission published this little nugget pertaining to The Equality Act 2010:-
”The third type of harassment is when someone treats you unfairly because you refused to put up with sexual harassment.
•For example, a manager invites one of his female employees home after they have been out for a drink. She declines. A couple of weeks later she is turned down for a promotion. She believes this is because she turned down her boss's proposition.
It can also cover unfair treatment even if you had previously accepted sexual conduct.
•For example, the employee above did have a brief relationship with her boss. After it ended, she applied for a promotion but was turned down. She believes this is because the relationship with her manager had ended.
Harassment can never be justified. However, if an organisation or employer can show it did everything it could to prevent people who work for it from behaving like that, you will not be able to make a claim for harassment against it, although you could make a claim against the harasser.
I wonder what would have happened of it were a man?
PL EB is always claiming 'she stands up to men'. Is this a statement a sensible woman would say? I think you would have to suppress a belly laugh if she said this during a formal meeting because it's ludicrous in the extreme.
It is very difficult to take what pathological liars say at face value, that's the big problem that EB has and the way she is going it will only worsen.
@Impotent ChrisR
Dec 24th, 2016 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“EB is always claiming 'she stands up to men'.” There is a lie right there. YOU are always saying that, not me. I said once that I stand up to prats like you who think they can bully women into agreeing with you. It might work with your wife but not me.
I don't lie here because there is no need to lie here. But you, Impotent ChrisR, has been caught out lying on this message board and everyone witnessed it.
I am assuming from your post that some woman has accused you of sexual harassment in the past and that is why you have such bitterness and hatred about women. And you never, ever miss an opportunity to insult a woman. Does it help? Or do you use pot to lessen the pain?
I don't think ElaineB is lying.
Dec 24th, 2016 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +3voicey, what part of “ In other countries at least they get the colour right” did you fail to comprehend?
Dec 24th, 2016 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I've never seen pant suits in vogue anywhere in the CJS - it's just that pant suits are Murkill's and Cliton's standard costume.
Dec 24th, 2016 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Usually the facilities operator will be obliged by the state by statute or contract to purchase from prison industries.
Often they produce jeans and shirts - at other times it's orange jumpsuits.
I thought that with the celebrity status of each that they might let them continue to wear their stand pant suit type of arrangement.
You'll often see the crews trimming brush along the highways in America and often they'll be wearing the ubiquitous orange jumpsuit.
Now Tinkerbell if you actually ever make it to America be careful that you don't run afoul of the system because one size seems to be designed to fit all and if you're a little rascal you'll veritably drowned in that tent and if you're a tall beanpole bending over to pickup those sticks will be entertaining to watch.
I merely asked how long it took you...
Dec 24th, 2016 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What am I not comprehending...?
I'm thinking you need to brush up on your reading comprehension...
Marti...master of the slick retort...
...nah...;-)
@ ChrisR
Dec 24th, 2016 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Seems likely in the circumstances. What about Rousseff, do you think she's a feminist?
“Feminists want a level playing field' or 'equal chances' but that is just a ploy to get MORE than men.”
Since I am a feminist I know for a fact that that's not true. I don't want women to get more than men, I want a level playing field for everyone. Nor is that true of my friends. It's not like there's a society of feminists anyway, you're talking about a bunch of people who don't necessarily have anything else in common, how are they supposed to be plotting such a thing?
And I know those laws were written to apply equally to everyone, so it would be just as illegal if it were a man.
Also, I have never seem Elaine saying she stands up to men on here, so I have no idea where you got that from. In fact, I have seen no evidence for most of the things you accuse her of.
Perhaps ChrisR just feels threatened.
Dec 24th, 2016 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Gloria Steinem and other very dramatic and vocal feminist activists may well have made things very uncomfortable for Chris.
Anyone remember “Male Chauvenist Pigs”?
Gloria probably had the likes of Think/voice and ChrisR in mind when she challenged the status quo.
I can understand their resentment.
@ Kanye
Dec 26th, 2016 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You hit the nail on the head. ChrisR is terrified of everything. Frightened of women having any power. Too scared to go to Argentina. Needs a gun to feel safe. He is a frightened old man.
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