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Argentine government apologize for forgetting the Falklands in a map of Argentina in New Year greetings

Tuesday, January 3rd 2017 - 09:24 UTC
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The Argentine government apologized on Monday for having omitted the disputed Falkland Islands in a map of Argentina included in a New Year greetings message. “Our apologies for the mistake from the Design Department in our end of the year greetings”, twitted the Development Ministry for having not included the Malvinas Islands. Read full article

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  • Roger Lorton

    I have many maps issued from Argentina that don't show the Falklands. Even an image on an ID Card issued in the Kirchner era. So what's the big deal?

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Conqueror

    The problem is that argies are congenitally childish, ignorant and stupid.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    They have mistakenly identified the mistake. The mistake is not showing Argentine Antarctica, the homeland of the 7 Antartargentines whose self-determination will be respected.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse -10
  • The Voice

    Nostrils, do you mean those soldiers who live in Queen Elizabeth land? They can always pop over to the British Post Office and send in a letter of complaint?

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    Read my comment in the TDF governor's thread.

    If I were you I would not bring this one up. The UK is shown for the utter embarrassment that it is: the only NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE MODERN WORLD to name an entire piece of land (that is not even recognized as yours by anyone to boot!) after YOUR LIVING HEAD OF STATE. That is the most banana of banana republic moves. Well, in this case a banana monarchy.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse -11
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    CasTroll. I repeat my comment from the TDF governer's thread. What about Turkey? Named long before Mustafa Kemal Ataturk had popped his clogs. It looks as if your geography and history and politics skills need a bit of honing.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    When the Antarctic Treaty breaks CasTroll, as it will, Argentina will be buggered in the rush :-)

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Pete Bog

    Fidel

    “, the homeland of the 7 Antartargentines whose self-determination will be respected.”

    If they were born in Antarctica, then they should live there and provide several generations of relatives, to claim self determination.

    Your lot can't hack the cold, that's why they couldn't wait to surrender in 1982. So there will be no families of Atarcticargies down there.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Brit Bob

    A sovereignty claim based upon inheritance from Spain.

    Inheritance From Spain – Uti Possidetis Juris

    The concept that Argentina had inherited the Falkland Islands from Spain is false. The law of the time did not accept inheritance without settlement and stated that 'an unopposed settlement of some years was necessary” before sovereignty was accepted. (The Law of Nations, Vattel, Cpt XI, p337) Vernet had sought acquiescence from the British consul in Buenos Aires on two occasions before establishing “his” colonies and the British protested when he was appointed military and political governor by the BA. Authorities. Jewett had no settlement. The concept of uti possidetis juris (inheritance of Spain) is only customary international law, applicable to those who choose to use it. Great Britain, France and Brazil have never opted to use uti possidetis juris and UPJ has “never” be used in “any” court or tribunal without the consent of both parties.

    There is ample evidence that this has been the mode of applying / not applying UPJ over the past 150 years:

    https://www.academia.edu/28967823/Falklands_Uti_Possidetis_Juris

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip HughJuanCoeurs..., some posts above...

    Turkey was NOT named after Ali Rıza oğlu Mustafa... aka Mustafa Kemal Atatürk...
    As a matter of fact, Ali Rıza oğlu Mustafa... aka Mustafa Kemal Atatürk named himself after them Turks...

    It looks as if your geographical, historical and political skills need a bit of honing....indeed...

    What a Turnip!

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Usurping British Pirate

    With apologies to Mel Brooks..... “we don't need your stinking maps” we have our own!
    Anyway you got it right the first time the Falklands and Antarctica do not belong on any RG map.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    In Argentina, apparently all it takes to make something so is to draw a picture of it.

    That should help to understand the culture here.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    The UK will be nowhere to be found when the treaty breaks. As it is you are having a hard time holding on to the Orkney's, Shetlands, and Scotland, maybe even N.I.... And this is the 21st century so you nor anyone else will be able to use force to take Antarctica. If they do, no one will ever recognize it, and will be pushed out by a coalition or massive sanctions. Argentine Antarctica is safe for Antartargentines to vote their self-determination.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Marti Llazo

    fidelito, tell us about the argie icebreaker Almirante Risible. Still no certs to carry cargo? Still not finished? How many years of screwing around? Still stuck in the mud?

    Always nice to see how the Argentines have violated the provisions of the Antarctic Treaty that they signed. Never a country to actually honour a treaty.

    When the Antarctic Treaty is over, there will be a contest between the UK and Chile to see who can toss out the argentines first.

    Argentina's colonial days in British Antarctica are numbered.

    In very small numbers.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • The Voice

    Nostrils, England or the UK is not holding on to Scotland, any of its islands or Northern Ireland, they are free to leave at any time. One has only to note the place names in the Antarctic to recognise that we British were there first. We even have a Post Office available for any seal, penguin or Argentine Sepoy to send mail.

    I see that even you have renamed yourself after a British Oil and Grease Company - most appropriate? British brands, language and culture get everywhere!

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Marti Llazo

    We indeed welcome Fidelito's continued participation, since it helps the uninitiated to better understand the true nature of argentinicity.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Tarquin Fin

    Bwa ha ha !!!

    Just can't believe how something this tiny causes fanatics from both sides to enrage and talk crop about one another.

    Apart from this forum and some lunatics in Argentine sites, this hasn't become a conversation topic at all. Not even the kirchnerite trapitos seemed to care about any of this.

    Hard to believe we are already in the 21st century.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Briton

    Why apologise, the Falkland's are not apart of Argentina anyway,

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • ChrisR

    Freudian slip methinks!

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    See what I mean Chris?

    What an ambiguous statement Briton has made using English. I guess Spanish is not the only language prone to errors.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    Actually you'd think Spanish would be less prone to errors since it's easier to spell, but people still seem to manage to screw it up.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tarquin Fin

    @DT

    No wonder we have screwed it up, right? :P

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Marti Llazo

    @DT “....people still seem to manage to screw it up.”

    Remember the effective level of real education in this country.

    My favourite misspelt graffito in Argentina is this:

    NO VOTAR BASURA.

    If you don't know Spanish then this may help: most argentos don't distinguish the pronunciation of a “b” and a “v” and for that reason when spelling out loud we say B larga and V chica but the sound is the same. Botar is to throw out something; votar is to vote. The writer of the graffito meant to say “don't throw trash” but instead wrote, in essence, “don't vote trash.” And that's hard to do, in Argentina.

    Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @TF
    It's not that bad. I've seem some really hideous mangled English on social media, all from native speakers. It doesn't help that the UK government decided it wasn't necessary to teach grammar in schools, so people my age ever learned any. When they changed their minds and started teaching it again, they had to teach the teachers first!

    How good/bad is education in Argentina generally? The posters here mostly seem well educated but you are hardly typical. And Fidel_CasTroll is claiming to have educated himself entirely from the internet...

    @ML
    LOL, nice error, and strangely applicable. If people don't distinguish between b and v which do they actually say it as?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    And here Marti Llazo definitively proves the complete baffoon we have always known him to be. The town jester and fool made so many benighted comments in such a small space that I wanted to wait a little best lest that post become a black hole and swallow us all, the density and depth of the ignorance displayed there so profound and massive. But it does prove once and for all he has never set foot in South America let alone understand it.

    Let's start local then move outwards.

    Votar: “we” (not you Marti Llazo, notice his pronoun use trying to fool us all), don't need to distinguish betwen “v” and “b”. You know why? Because we never use the verb “botar” in the first place! No Argentine you ever meet would ever use this verb to mean to “tirar” or “desechar”, which are the two verbs we would use in that case. Using “botar” would immediately identify you as a foreigner in the same way that using “coger”, “jalar” and “tu” and “bus” would. So it is Marti Llazo as the good town's fool child who completely misread the “grafitto” and not the other way!

    That's first. Second gaffe that betrayed this fool.

    He claims “most argentos” don't distiguish b and v. Well, I would really like to meet those that do distinguish it! Please Marti LLazo, introduce me to just one who NATURALLY distinguishes these two sounds in his natural speech. Now granted, I will give you all a clue: he may be looking for this person for a while, so we should all go on vacation in the meantime.

    In fact, he will never find him or her. Not one Argentine makes the distinction! Now, all of you anti-argies who are tempted to jump on this fact to call us argentines all uneducated “B-urros”, may want to hold off on your cheap Boddingtons: that is because in fact, NO SPANISH SPEAKER ANYWHERE ON EARTH NATURALLY DISTINGUISHES THESE SOUNDS!

    It is a rule in Spanish phonetics, and those who do are being conscious about and and being snobbish. So to sum up... Marti Llazo finallly told the truth, unplaned as it was!

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Heisenbergcontext

    I don't think cartography is Argentina's strongest suit:).

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Capt Rockhopper

    The Malvinas Islands are in Chile, geography is not taught in Argentina.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • gordo1

    Fidel_CasTroll

    So tell me where “Vuenos Aires” is?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    And where is the pronunciation of that with a V as in “W”olfgang or die Welt?

    If you want to get technical I have it down for you :)

    Consonants: (29)

    nasal: /m/ (bilabial); /n/ (alveolar); /ɲ/ (palatal); /ŋ/ (velar; “venga“, “mango“)

    plosive: /p/ , /b/* (bilabial); /t̪/ , /d̪/* (denti-alveolar); /k/ (“c + a/o/u“, “que/qui“), /g/* (velar; “g + a/o/u”, “gue/gui”)

    affricate: /t͡ʃ / (postalveolar); /ɟ͡ʝ /* (palatal)

    fricative: /ɸ/ , /β̞/*1 (bilabial)*; /f/ , /v/ (labiodental)*; /ð̞/* (word final “d“), /θ/ (dental; initial “z“, min. pairs “z vs. s”); /s/ (alveolar; “c+ e/i“, minimal pairs “z. vs. s“); /ʃ/ (postalveolar; “Shur-“, loans); /ʝ/* (palatal); /x/ (“g + e/i“), /ɣ/* (velar; “güe/güi”)

    approximant: /j/ (palatal; “hi” + vowel); /w/ (labiovelar; “u + vowel“)

    trill: /r/ (alveolar; “rr“, initial “r“ or after “l/n/s”)
    flap or tap: /ɾ/ (alveolar; inter-vocalic “r“)

    lateral approx: /l/ (alveolar); /ʎ/ (palatal)

    *(1st sound or after m/n/ñ, & also “l” for /d/, /ɟʝ/. Elsewhere “**”)
    **(Intervocalic, conversational, and after most cons. See“*“)
    ***(bilabials realized on non-stressed syllables, labiodentals may be stressed on stressed syllables or f/v+ consonant)
    1 Phonemes /b/ and /v/ outside of (*) and (***) merge to/β̞/

    The key is that very last phrase: under very precise circumstances (after NASALS and LIQUID consonants), they could be realized as separate phonemes. But in INTERVOCALIC and LINGUOMATETIC environments both sounds merge into the fricative /β̞/*1 (bilabial)*. Please say the phrase “lo bueno de vivir bien”.... feel how you pronounce the B of bueno, the D of 'de', the V of vivir, etc... they are NOT the English, French, German, Italian, or Portuguese v/b!!! That is unique to Spanish, both sounds merge in intervocalic, conversational environments to a fricative.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @FC
    That's interesting. Where do people use botar, in Spain? And why do you say vos instead of tú anyway?

    Was it hard learning to say b and v differently when you learned English? And how are you supposed to say the b/v in Spanish anyway? To me it sounds like some people are saying b and some v, in the same word.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    I will make it simple.

    Listen to standard Spanish pronunciation say the phrase. “Lo-bueno-de-vivir-bien”. All the “b” and “v” there should sound like a fricative bilabial called β̞/. Which is kind of close to an English “W” in fact. “ua” with a very soft “b” sound to begin.

    If you pronounce that sentence with “b” as a real full “B” (phonetic /b/), and with “v” as a full “V” (phonetic /v/), what you get in fact is almost... PORTUGUESE!!!

    “O bom de viver bem” ... the portuguese “b” is always pronounced as the b in bow, bat, boy. And the “v” always pronounced as in vile, violent, van. That is the key to sound “portuguese/brazilian”, to pronounce the plosives voiced conconants b,v,d,g as you do in English, French, German, and Italian.

    Lo bueno de vivir bien.
    O bom de viver bem.

    If you pronounce these two correctly, the b's sound nothing alike in both languages.

    Marti Llazo blew it. Too bad hahaha.

    They use botar almost anywhere north of Argentina. Not sure about Spain.

    The B and V is no problem for us because we are actually taught the distinct sounds, but in the language it is rarely pronounced.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    I listened to google's robot voice and it doesn't sound like a W to me.

    And how many languages have you learned anyway?

    Also I guess that graffiti would make a good pun in another country, maybe ML just forgot where he saw it?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    If you want to be extremely merciful with ML, I guess there is a chance that the graffito really did mean “to throw” and was not political (which is 99.9998% unlikely since almost all such stuff in Argentina is political). Then it certainly was painted by a foreigner or illegal immigrants, both of which there are millions around so not totally out of the realm of possibility.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    Why an illegal immigrant? Don't you have legal ones too? I thought Argentina had quite generous immigration laws?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    http://blogs.brighton.ac.uk/linguistics/files/2015/02/english-grammar-on-signs-11-2ei5g99.jpg

    ;-)

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • ChrisR

    Tarquin Fin
    “See what I mean Chris?

    What an ambiguous statement Briton has made using English.”

    No I don't actually. Briton, bless his cotton socks, has a minor problem with the written word, which most of us can understand what he meant to write with just a nanosecond of thought.

    I have never thought that you are a typical argie, so I am sure Briton will just take it in his stride, HE is a nice chap.

    “I guess Spanish is not the only language prone to errors.”

    You are correct, but not in this case.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    They left Tierra del Fuego off their greeting map as well. Looks like they are going to have to return that usurped territory as well.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. Marti Llazo..., that Anglo Turnip seems to be even more confused in 2017 than in 2016...

    First he declares that his “favourite misspelt graffito in Argentina is”... one that uses a word (botar) unused in Argentina...

    Then he declares that “they left Tierra del Fuego off their greeting map as well”..., obviously a wrong postulate...: http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/57994/0x0/mapa.jpg

    What next...?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    See, the thing about me is, I tell you I am troll. I find it so funny people here are so upset about all my name changes but in fact I am more honest than anyone since I may use different variations but my name always betrays the identification marker which I am unmistakable for. So when people suggest I am trying to hide, when my names somehow always can fit the word TROLL within, I just get a wry amusement of it.

    The second thing is I have always said that it has always been under YOUR power for me to go away. Just stop your gratuitous and racial insults towards Argentina. That's all it takes. But people here are not capable of such simple tasks. Not my fault!

    You guys control the troll. You guys have had the power all along. You are just powerless to use it. Because while you will claim I am allowing myself to be controlled, the reality is that YOU are allowing yourselves to be controlled...

    I know this may take some time for most of you to analyze through. I am a challenging read, my posts replete with noetic prowess.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    But we don't actually want you to go away. That would be boring. We just want you make sensible, thoughtful posts a bit more often.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    I just did above and it possibly destroyed a life or two. Be careful what you wish for. Those TTT days did really cause massive casualties. But I am no TTT of course. Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Abraham, Viracocha, Confucius, TTT... only one per 500-1000 years.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    @Fidelito, “That is unique to Spanish, both sounds merge in intervocalic, conversational environments to a fricative.”

    You could have just said that in conversation, and when spelling, sounds of the spoken /v/ and /b/ are indistinguishable except through context. That's why when spelling something out we have to say the b larga and v chica or sometimes something like “B de Bolivia, V de Venezuela” or similar. There is a significant part of the population here that relies on attempts to spell according to what they think they hear rather than adding the additional step of correct spelling. It's seen a lot in both Chile and Argentina.

    @ voicey ”one that uses a word (botar) unused in Argentina...“

    While it's true that tirar la basura is more common, apparently there is a different mix of people here, and certainly some regionalisms. And yes we do hear ”botar la basura.“
    The context of that graffito was indeed in an area where there is illegal dumping, though the ”microbasurales“ problem is not as bad as down in Chile. The location of that sign was in an area along the ría to the west of here, where ”rents are cheap” as they say, and there are a lot of lower economic strata residents, including foreigners from Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, and in particular a lot of Venezuelans. It's a neighbourhood where there is probably more dumping than voting.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Yes, I'm sure Marti is weaping into his cornflakes. NOT.

    Also, congrats on making Think look modest, he 'only' compared himself to Ghandi. Are there any more revered religious figures and/or actual gods you'd like to compare yourself to?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Why do Anglos always need to lie...?
    I do indeed value and respect the great Mahatma...
    I wish my moral and ethic to be as close as his as possible...
    But It has NEVER crossed me mind to compare humble me with His Humblemess Gandhiji...

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Seems to me the Think personna is closer to
    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    He was a serial failure too

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    “I wish my moral and ethic to be as close as his as possible”

    Really? How's that going?

    And I'm not lying, it's still there in the archive for anyone who can be bothered to search.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • The Voice

    Question is... who is Moriaty?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    Yes...
    You are lying...
    As you just said...:
    “”“It's still there in the archive for anyone who can be bothered to search”“”...:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/13/travelers-shocked-at-uk-airports-99-cents-lord-king-says-weak-pound-is-positive/comments#comment452156...:
    “”“ It wouldn't cross me humble mind to compare little my with any of those thousands and thousands of great individuals that were forced by Brutish Colonialism to dedicate their whole lives to the erradication of said...
    It is you..., me dear Engrishman that bestow me that undeserved honour..., by aplying to me the very same negative appellatives la perfide Albion used against those great ones...
    Once again Engrishman...
    Thanks for constating I'm on the right path...”

    You were saying...?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Marti Llazo

    Such an outpouring of unambiguous envy !

    [los argentinos]....viven, como dijo Ortega y Gasset, una permanente disociación entre la imagen que tienen de sí mismos y la realidad....son italianos que hablan algo parecido al español, pretenden sueldos norteamericanos y vivir como ingleses, dicen discursos franceses y votan como sengaleses, piensan como zurdos y viven como burgueses....

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • St.John

    No reason to apologize.

    As long ago as 1905 the officila Argentine map “Mapa de la Divisíon del Territorio de la República en Regiones Militares” excluded the british Falkland Islands - not the least surprising.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Regiones.militares.arg.1905.jpg?uselang=es

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    If I say you are doing x, and you say that's a compliment because Gandhi also did x, that sounds like comparing yourself to him to me.

    It's bad logic in general, too.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    “Bad logic”..., in general and in particular..., is not reading what the other poster writes and infering things he hasn't written...

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • DemonTree

    No it's not, that's how people normally communicate. Saying you weren't comparing yourself is just splitting hairs.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • axel arg

    A MATTER OF PRIORITIES.
    It's well known that when a leader rules a country, he/she always must determine priorities, in fact, anybody can agree or not on C.F.K.'s policies towards the Mavinas-Falkland question, must her priority was to buid an international consensus, with the purpose of pushing Britain to respect the resolutions that call both parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations for the sovereignty of the islands, and that achievement was going to take decades, because it should have been a state policy, that's why she used to bring resolutions from most of the international forums where she participated, which called Arg. and the U.K. for a dialogue, however, since the actual government is in office, that practice doesn't exist anymore, because for Macri's administration, it's much more important to make good business, than fighting for the sovereignty. It's pretty obvious that neather Macri, nor any other president won't drop our claim, because it's a constitutional obligation, but although some people don't accept it, nowadays the sovereignty isn't a priority anymore.
    The only one positive thing that the actual government is doing, is to start the process of identification of our soldiers.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    It's not a dialogue that Argenzuela is asking for, Axle, but a monologue.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree

    I did link to the post were I said that I didn't compare myself with Gandhiji...

    Would you be so kind to link to the post where you think I did...

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    It was your previous comment, two above:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2016/10/13/travelers-shocked-at-uk-airports-99-cents-lord-king-says-weak-pound-is-positive/comments#comment452143

    You did deny it straight away, but that was the way it looked to me.

    @axel arg
    Macri's priorities sound more sensible to me, especially if you anticipated CFK's strategy taking decades. But I'm hardly unbiased.

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree
    In short...:
    1) In that comment I did NOT compare myself, in ANY way with Gandhiji...
    2) Anyhow..., “that was the way it looked to you.” ..., you say
    3) i did deny it straight away..., but that was still “the way it looked to you.”
    4) Some months later it is not anymore “the way it looked to you.”... but something I actually did!
    5) That is called “lying” laddie... in Patagonia..., in England... or in Baluchistan...

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    You brought up Gandhi (among others), pointed out that similar things had been said about both you and him, and thanked me for the compliment. On what planet is that not comparing yourself to him?

    I suppose next you will claim that saying “Hope the 27 kick the Engrish as hard as they can” doesn't make you anti-English?

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • diefra

    I will try to have a sense of humor in this issue
    The Surname of the development minister that forgot the island in Arg map calls Stanley ha ha,
    For this issue the kirchneristas said that Macri works for UK .
    I want to see Cristina in jail
    Bye

    Jan 04th, 2017 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Marti Llazo

    The sun is setting.

    CFK is going to jail.

    The Falklands are British.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Kanye

    DT,

    “Think” knew it would not 'look good' if he didn't deny it.

    Not to worry, in reality he does feel that way.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    You say...:
    “”“I suppose next you will claim that saying “Hope the 27 kick the Engrish as hard as they can” doesn't make you anti-English?”“”

    I say...:
    Not really...
    Let me put it this way...
    - A) From my Argie Southern Hemisphere geopolitical point of wiew..., I'm happy for any development that debilitates the UK's Haughty Atomic Bully Colonial attitude of pretending some 12,000,000 square kms. of Southern Hemisphere territories...
    Be that development Scottish Independence..., Brexit...or whatever.
    - B) From my Scandinavian Northern Hemisphere geopolitical point of wiew..., I'm happy for Brexit since I, from the very beginning, have considered the UK's EU membership as a disrupting and debilitating factor for the European project...
    A veritable “Troyan Horse” presented and controlled by your rich American cousins..., if I so may say....
    -C) Having said all the above..., I would be more than happy to see you Engrish people living and letting others live the best of lifes...

    Also sprach El Think...

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Kanye

    Think/voice

    “, I'm happy for any development that debilitates the UK”

    “...I, from the very beginning, have considered the UK's EU membership as a disrupting and debilitating factor”

    Think/voice sates he wants to debilitate the UK.

    Then he criticises the U.K. for debilitating others.

    That's El Voice/think for you.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    “Lock her up” CFK I mean.

    I am happy with anything that destabilises Peronism and ensures it never returns.

    I 'Think' Britain is too good for the EU, a crumbling inward looking protectionist brake on fair trade dominated by rich countries that have imposed hell on earth on the Club Med countries by a series of ill formed financial and immigration policies.

    The EU probably wont exist in 5 years time.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Jack Bauer

    For a moment I thought that by leaving the Falklands out, the head of the “Development Ministry” had grown a brain...

    @Fidelito
    There you go with your “Antartagentines” again....they don't exist, except in your mind. Despite your extensive studies and knowledge of umpteen languages, it appears that you have never heard of “jus solis” or “jus sangüinis” ….anyway, the former does not apply to your “Antarticans”….Mr Emilio Palma, to all effects, is an Argentine citizen, based on his parents’ nationality (“jus sangüinis”)….same principle applies to all the other babies born there, including those to Chilean parents. Only the ignorant nationalistic Argies believe they have a rock-solid claim to Antartica, despite the fact this claim is not internationally recognized.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip just above says...:
    “”“For a moment I thought that by leaving the Falklands out, the head of the “Development Ministry” had grown a brain...”“”

    I say...:
    The head of the Argentinean Development Ministry..., Mrs. Carolina STANLEY..., daughter of Guillermo STANLEY and María Cristina TATE..., educated at SAINT CATHERINE SCHOOL and currently convalescing at the BRITISH HOSPITAL in Buenos Aires..., should indeed grow a brain and avoid any actions that could be mistaken as favouring her kin...

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    It doesn't much matter to me why you want to harm me, only that you do. The result is the same no matter your motivation.

    But I think you are wrong about the EU, firstly for believing in a conspiracy theory, and secondly because the EU was stronger with the UK in it, and even if it wasn't, our leaving is destabilising for it and increases the risk of it breaking up altogether.

    And I see you have embraced the conspiracy theory about the unluckily named Mrs Stanley as well. I saw some other people suggesting it, but I didn't think that you would support such an idea.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Jack Bauer

    @Chimp
    The fact that Miss Carolina went to St Catherines (very nice school, btw) and is of British descent, is irrelevant....I had an uncle, born in Scotland and brought up in Argentina, and in the 90's we had some pretty heated discussions regarding the FI, because he too, believed they belonged to Argyland....after a few whiskies, he couldn't care less....so, why don't you have another drink ?

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree

    Engrish people are traditionally one of the worst immigrants groups there is in respect of their willingness to integrate and assimilate to “foreign cultures and customs”...

    One classical example of my lifelong experience with that Anglo treat did I find on these very pages...

    I engaged some time ago in an interesting exchange of opinions in here with Mr. Tim Lough... an Engrish immigrant to Argentina that was, in a rather haughty manner, talking with other Brits about the differences between “Us” (Anglos) and “Them” (Argies)...

    To make a long story short...:
    It turned out that Mr. Tim is an eight generation Anglo-Argentinean whose family immigrated to Argentina in the 1830's...

    Some integration!

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • DemonTree

    Seriously? How is that even possible?

    But it's funny how people in the US and, apparently, Argentina, know who their ancestors were for umpteen generations and which countries they emigrated from. Most people here don't know who their ancestors were 8 generations ago, or which part of Britain they came from, or if any were from other countries, and they don't much care either.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    In argentina it's considered the height of culture to have at least some idea of who your biological parents were.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Jack Bauer

    @Stink the Chimp

    Your comments : “Engrish people are traditionally one of the worst immigrants groups there is in respect of their willingness to integrate and assimilate to “foreign cultures and customs”, &

    ”One classical example of my lifelong experience with that Anglo treat did I find on these very pages...”

    don't say much about your power of observation, nor your lifelong experience (or should we say, 'inexperience' ?)
    You produce one solitary example, and that's the basis of your conclusion ?

    My experience with the Brits that come to Brazil, even those who come out on contract and go back “home” after a few years, is that they assimilate the culture pretty well, and get on like a house on fire with the locals...well understood, the educated ones. Perhaps the problem in your short virtual relationship with Mr. Tim Lough was you....
    But if what's bothering you is the fact that the Brits who move to other countries, usually retain a strong sense of honour, it's perfectly understandable that you never got on too well with them..

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Think

    Another classical example of my lifelong experience with that Anglo treat do I find in the AngloTurnip just above...

    An Anglo... born in Argentina... and resident in Brasil... that is fully in favour of assassinating small destitute children in the streets of Rio De Janeiro and São Paulo...

    Wonder if he would apply the same “strong sense of Engrish honour” in the streets of London and Manchester...

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Jack Bauer

    @Stink the Chimp
    My heart bleeds for you, you poor little destitute twerp (or turnip) of Chubut....send an e-mail to the Rio governor and beg him to ship you a couple of street kids...they'd probably kick you out of your humble refuge, in the middle of nowhere, then set up HQ for the Chew Butt street gang..

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Enrique Massot

    Argentina president Mauricio Macri declared Falklands' best friend.

    http://www.enorsai.com.ar/politica/20614-malvinas--la-politica-exterior-de-macri-entrega-nuestra-soberania.html

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    That's pretty funny, reekie. We wonder if you even noticed how poorly those images were photoshopped.

    En Orsai is not exactly a real news outlet. More like a nationalist blow-pipe. A Pravda Argentina. But then, we could expect you to quote Pravda. And Telesur.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    The fact Jack Bauer supports the Brazilian death squads is more of a sign that he is well assimilated. There are precious few of those in Anglo countries.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    João Camponês assimilated..., huhhhh...?

    Ya mean... he didn't “retain that strong Engrish sense of honour” of his...?

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    You'll have to ask him how supporting death squads is supposed to be compatible with a strong sense of honour. I'm not even sure what he means by that.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    I try to interact as little as possible with Turnips...It could be contagious..., you know...
    In general, I only use them as a kind of tennis wall...

    You ask him...

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Kanye

    DT

    Think/voice, the master turnip is not really interested. He is simply trolling.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Briton

    I try to interact as little as possible with Turnips...It could be contagious

    yet 14 replies, that's not interaction,

    I wonder how many, if you did take an interest in your fellow turnips??


    I only use them as a kind of tennis wall/ball,

    so 14 love then....lol
    one thinks he has a big interest in brits,
    after all, without us who would you talk to...

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Jack Bauer

    @Stinky Chimp
    Your touching defense of the “small” destitute street kids in Rio brings tears to my eyes....
    I think it's time you visited Rio, and tried taking a stroll down Avenida Atlântica in the evening....in no time, you'd have a couple of these small (?) “luuving” kids, pouncing on you, relieving you of your watch, your wallet, and in your case, also your walking stick, and if you're lucky, you might even get stabbed with a home-made stiletto as a farewell gift. Nothing like a real, live experience to know what side of the bread the butter's on....
    Clearly you didn't read about the two American tourists held up in Rio, 2 or 3 days ago..not surprised ...d'you even get TV in Chubut ? anyway, one of these nice, “luuving”, destitute kiddies walked into the hotel lobby, and at gun point, demanded their watches, cellphones and money...after being handed their belongings, the nice, “luuuving” kid (in Stink the Chimp's opinion) decide to shoot them...luckily the gun misfired 4 times....the little sh*t ran, but chased by one of tourists, was caught and beaten up....I apologise for describing such a horrible scene, and please don't feel too upset for the “luuving” kid...he's probably back on the street looking for his next victim.

    @DT
    You're right. I've been here long enough to know what's good for me, and that includes assimilating the (good aspects of the) culture ; As to sense of honour, it's pretty simple really - it's about having a strong sense of justice, trying to do the right thing.....something sorely lacking around here...in other words, don't take any notice of the rotten things in the culture, including 'small' Chubutee turnips.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    I wouldn't describe the death squads as a good aspect of the culture(!) It's somewhat understandable why people would support them given the general lawlessness and ineffective justice system, but they are definitely NOT doing the right thing. That's not to say that the kids are just misunderstood or some such nonsense, but there are a lot of options in between doing nothing and letting them continue with the crime spree, and shooting them in cold blood.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    “”“ But there are a lot of options in between doing nothing and letting them continue with the crime spree, and shooting them in cold blood.”“”..., Says the sensible Anglo to the Anglo beast...

    Juppppppp...
    Some of the more entrepreneurial elements on those groups found out that their system of shooting nine year old lad and lasses in cold blood on the streets of Brasil was a spill of valuable young human ressources...
    That's when they moved into kidnapping...,kiddie death porn...,and organ trading...

    Some “strong sense of honour” such people has...

    Jan 09th, 2017 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Kanye

    “Think”

    You overlook that it is solely the SA Latin immigrants that are solely responsible for creating the poverty, the urban lawlessness, and the desperate young criminals.Not “Anglos”.


    Furthermore, the abuse, exploitation, and ruthless “culling” of these children, is carried out by your honourable kin, the Latin American hermanos, not the “Anglos”.

    Jan 09th, 2017 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pete Bog

    Think
    “ I only use them as a kind of tennis wall...”

    Tennis not your game is it, as you rarely return everything served at you.

    Jan 09th, 2017 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Marti Llazo

    Seems to be quaintly brasileiro:

    MP story “The Brazilian government’s national secretary of youth has resigned after celebrating the deaths of inmates killed in prison uprisings. Youth Secretary Bruno Julio resigned Friday.

    He had earlier declared that more inmates should be slain and there should be a mass prisoner killing per week. He also said the problem with prison killings is that “there aren’t enough of them.”

    --------------

    Judging by the ”social media” comments in Brazil, it's a not uncommon notion

    Jan 09th, 2017 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Strange, I don’t recall having stated that the death squads were a “good” aspect of the culture …I merely mentioned their existence and explained why…the high crime rate…cause and effect. The fact that a good part of the population thought they were a necessary evil, and probably still would (if they were still around) is a perfectly understandable reaction from people scared and fed up to their back teeth with crime.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it, if you lived here you “might” have a different opinion…but as you don't, I can’t expect you to understand…however, I agree the squads were a perverse aspect of the culture - caused by an even more perverse one, which is the constant killing of innocent people, for peanuts, by a bunch of heartless sons of b*tches.
    Quite frankly, as far as I’m concerned, this street kid issue has worn itself out…it’s pointless saying what Brazil should do, based on the likely approach authorities would take in the UK, or other first-world places, where the problem is virtually non-existent. In social terms, Brazil is light years behind the UK ; Crime in Brazil (both street and organized) has gone off the charts, so whether you like it or not, you’re going to have to excuse me for being indifferent to the death of a few criminals.

    @Stink the Chimp
    As well pointed out by Kanye, the ‘perpetrators’ (of violent crime) whom you so ardently defend, are not Anglos….but the native population. Your notion, that the shooting of these “nine year old lad and lasses” is “a spill of valuable young human ressources …” shows you haven’t the faintest clue what you’re talking about, as they'd have about as much chance of becoming an asset to society as a fart on a curtainrail....but it's easy for you to criticize what happens here, from miles away in Chubut...

    @ML
    Right on, ask anyone in the street what they think should happen to violent criminals...

    Jan 09th, 2017 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @JB
    You said you assimilated the good aspects of the culture. But apparently you also assimilated the 'necessary evils'. Death squads may be the most expedient way to deal with criminals, but they're not doing the right thing, and they are not justice. Maybe if I lived in Brazil I'd change my mind, but I bet the criminals can convince themselves that their actions are justified too. It doesn't make them right.

    Oh, and when Think said “a spill of valuable young human ressources,” he meant that the death squads realised they could make money from their victims instead of simply killing them. I couldn't find any evidence of the things he suggested, and I really hope they're not true.

    Jan 09th, 2017 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    You write...:
    “Death squads may be the most expedient way to deal with criminals, but they're not doing the right thing, and they are not justice.”

    Just to finish I will add...:
    Death squads are for sure the most expedient way to completely fuck up any pretense of civilized society... and they are a hard hitting boomerang against their own rich backers & financers...
    If in doubt... just check WHO kidnapped hundreds and hundreds of rich people in Argentina during the eighties and nineties...

    Including a very rich young Argie guy in 1991..., called Mauricio MACRI...

    Jupppp..... That Mauricio MACRI...

    Jan 10th, 2017 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Don't know what you are trying to imply exactly, by ”...apparently you also assimilated the 'necessary evils', but if you mean that one comes to accept the fact , and sees it as 'not-all-bad', you're right. I don't have to apologize for thinking that way... years ago, we only 'heard' of violent crime, today, it happens close to you...I have (or had) friends who were shot , and/ or killed, over a watch or a cellphone, or for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, who were kidnapped from the middle of the street, and obliged, at gun point, to hand over the password to their bank a/c, and only released after having it emptied.
    Years ago, I myself was held up at gun point and had my car stolen. One week later it was found, abandoned and with a few bullet holes; apparently it had been used in a bank robbery. The notion that they are convinced they are justified in committing crimes is stretching it, because they know damned well they aren't, it's simply an easier way to earn a living, and they couldn't give a damn - they won't hesitate to shoot you if you look at them crooked...or even if you don't, they might do, just for the pleasure of seeing you squirm. Being right or wrong, is totally irrelevant - it's just the way it is. If the inmates in the Manaus penitentiary beheaded and quartered their rivals, don't think they'd have any mercy on you...

    Really don't know what Stink the Chimp meant, as he is just speculating, again....the situation probably came to a head due to a combination of factors ...the police feeling frustrated at the incapacity of the legal system to solve the problem, which usually puts the 'kids' (?) back on the streets a couple of hours after being caught red-handed ; pissed-off shopkeepers, fed up with lost sales due to clients keeping away, not to mention theft, and eventually, the cops taking justice into their own hands - in all likeliness, with a bit of 'encouragement' from local commerce..

    Jan 10th, 2017 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    So Macri was kidnapped. And allegedly his father thought it might have been Donald Trump who did it, due to some dodgy business deals they shared in New York? How bizarre and Mafia-esque, and now they are both Presidents sharing cordial phone calls.

    Anyway, I agree with you about the effect on civilised society, but according to Jack Bauer it is already fucked up beyond any pretence in Brazil. And I don't think I believe in karma. Those who are rich enough nearly always seem to get away with anything.

    @JB
    People are good at justifying all kinds of things to themselves. I imagine they tell themselves they have no other option, that it's them or us, and anyway they don't owe anything to a society that gave them nothing.

    But in any case, if crime has become that pervasive, it probably just seems normal to many people. Same as it seems normal to your politicians to steal billions for themselves and their campaigns.

    For society to function people need to be able to trust each other. When that breaks down you get a vicious circle where the violence gets worse and worse as each side escalates.

    And this is what Think is talking about:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/08/world/argentina-finds-a-kidnapping-ring-of-policemen.html

    It's about the group who kidnapped Macri, among others. Some quotes:

    “All but one of the detainees have ties either to Argentina's intelligence service or its federal police. Many were, until their arrests, very senior officials in the police force.”

    “Mr. Bayarri and two other retired police officials detained in connection with the inquiry served under the military juntas that ruled Argentina from 1976 thorugh 1983. Government officials have said they believe that the men were part of a group that kidnapped and killed left-wing extremists.”

    Jan 10th, 2017 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kanye

    DT JB T/v

    The only significant aspect of Think/voice's deflecting comments is that he has diverted the focus of discussion away from the conflicted Argentines wrongfully claiming the Falklands and deceitfully misrepresenting facts in the Press.

    There are NO Argentine rights to the Falklands.

    There are no “Anglos” involved in the abhorrent LATAM culling of Brazil's home-grown, amoral child-criminals.

    Jan 10th, 2017 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    You're starting to get the hang of it....progress in solving these problems is so slow, that it does indeed seem like a vicious circle....reaches a point when very little manages to shock you, and you quickly realize you've gotta look out for yourself.

    When I said that I didn't know what Stink was trying to get at, I was referring to his ....

    “Some of the more entrepreneurial elements on those groups found out that their system of shooting nine year old lad and lasses in cold blood on the streets of Brasil was a spill of valuable young human ressources..”.

    What it may have to do with Macri being kidnapped, I don't know, but perhaps he was doing his best to be sarcastic, by insinuating that the shooting of his beloved street kids was a waste of productive talent...anyway, doesn't matter....

    @Kanye
    Yep, the Stink diverted the focus from the core-subject (ridiculous Argy claim to the FI) - inadvertently no doubt, as he probably isn't smart enough to have done it deliberately - to his street kids...but, if he wants us to believe he is truly concerned with the welfare of these gentle, law-abiding minors, why doesn't he adopt a couple ? Pretty sure it would take the boredom out of his life...

    Jan 11th, 2017 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1

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