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Malvinas: Argentina calls on UK for dialogue and sovereignty discussions
Argentina has invited the United Kingdom to advance with the dialogue initiated last year to resume negotiations to enable in the shortest time possible, to find a peaceful and definitive solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas Islands, abiding the iterative calls from the international community, according to a release from the Argentine foreign ministry. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Finally, Argentina iterates its firm commitment with the peaceful solutions of controversies and respect for International Law” - take your nonsense to the International Court of Justice then!
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse +7Your “drummed up” controversy is nothing more than fairy tales, myths, false interpretations of historical events and just plain LIES!
Nope. The Falklands have never belonged to Argentina. If you are so cock sure that they do then why not pop by the ICJ and get them to adjudicate on the issue? What's that? You can't because you don't stand an earthly of proving your case? There you go then. Problem solved.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse +5Resume dialog;
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse +6“Can we have the Falklands?”
“No”
Dialog ends.
We talked. For 17 years, we talked - between 1966 and 1982. Then Argentina stopped talking and chose trial by combat instead. Argentina lost.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse +8Now there's nothing to talk about.
Argentina should have listened instead.
It makes great sense for the prosperity of all to get the dialogue going and step out of the past. Whats done is done and we need to see the Malvinas and all its habitants take their rightful place in our Latin America family. Son todos buy bienvenidos.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse -14Time for argieland to face some unfortunate facts. For a start, the events of 1770/1 clearly demonstrated that the Islands didn't belong to spain. Then, 'inheritance' has never been a legal method of transferring sovereignty, And, even if it was, where's the document? Finally, the question of sovereignty was settled in 1982 and confirmed in 2013. Subject closed.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse +11Conqueror you old devil..........where have you been?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse -11Are still in London working as a transvestite at that club we met up?
“buy bienvenidos”? Are you sure you're from Latin America Diego?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse +503/01/1833 - 03/01/2017
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse -12184 years of British occupation...
High time for them Engrish to go home...
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocupación_británica_de_las_islas_Malvinas_(1833)
You first, Think the Scandinavian.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse +5We must be due a visit from Hepatia with their 25 year BS very soon.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse +4Them “Engrish” are home Think. It's been 'home' since 1765.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse +5Mr. Lorton...
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -10Them Engrish were “Home” in Aden, Borneo, Burma, Cameroon, Ceylon, Gambia, Hong Kong, India, Kenya, Mosquito Coast, Rhodesia, Malaya, Singapore, Tanganyika, Uganda, Zanzibar and so may other places....
Key word being...: “Were”
To go any further would be to confuse Argentines who were initially forcefed “Malvinas” for internal reasons since the 1940s creating the dispute of today which had been resolved and ratified in 1850..
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +9Argentina needs to flood its schools with the original documentation of the the dispute and without any fascist “help” from teachers. Let there be a debate so that they can understand where their interpretation went all wrong.
A sovereignty claim without a case can only be described as an illegitimate claim and worthless.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Argentina's Illegitimate Sovereignty Claims V2: https://www.academia.edu/27599163/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims_V2
(as downloaded by Argentina's London embassy 9.8.16). Boo
Think
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“High time for them Engrish to go home...”
The English part of the armed forces do go home, after their tour in the Falklands is over. All English contract workers eventually go home or become Falkland Islanders.
I worked in the Islands. I am English. I went home to England.
The Falkland Islanders are there to stay.
Lump it or like it.
Diego
“and we need to see the Malvinas and all its habitants take their rightful place in our Latin America family.”
The Falkland Islanders already have that place, they are your neighbours.
“It makes great sense for the prosperity of all”
If Argentina ran the Falkland Islands like it runs itself, the Falklands economy carefully progressed since 1982, would collapse within 5 years.
It makes better sense for the prosperity of all South America to continue to let the Islanders run themselves , and therefore your country would be richer if it sold supplies to the Islands and provided labour and services. That way you would be getting some of the oil and fishing money back.
If Argentina were in charge of the Islands fishing zone, it would fail within 5 years, and your country would be incapable of arranging for the oil drilling that has taken place, because no companies would want to invest and take a risk as your country NEVER pays for anything.
So if Argentina owned the Falklands, there would be NO oil industry, full stop.
If Argentina owned the Falklands there would be NO prosperity for anyone in South America, as the economy would collapse.
Having seen Ushuaia through the eyes of Top Gear, it looks like you still haven't sorted your own country out yet, so how you would run the Falklands is a mystery.
Also, how would you defend the Falkland Islands from attack?
With Tucanos?
With Diesel subs that can't even stay submerged for more than a day per year?
@Think
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +5And in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, South Africa, and until recently, Belize. No one in Britain would object to the Falklands becoming independent someday, like all those other countries.
Ground hog day...
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Also I thought that even the insane Kirchner government had finally admitted that no 'legitimate' inhabitants were expelled...only a bunch of murderous, mutinous, military personnel who had been on the islands less than 6 weeks.
Even Argentina's historical documents from the time don't support Argentina's lies.
Another year...another dead horse for the Argentine government (snigger) to flog.
Another year the Falklands remain free of the Argentine imperialist colonialist jackboot.
The “Engrish” in the Falklands ARE home Think. Have been for 252 years. Will be for at least another 252 :-)
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +6General Francisco Franco is still dead.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Water is wet.
Argentina is well on its way to its next default.
The Falklands are British.
The British are about to leave the worlds biggest free trading bloc (EU) due to crazy populist politics (worse than Argentina ever had) and heading into an economic disaster of their own making. They have no plan whatsoever to handle this mess and on top of this the Scots are going to leave the UK as they don't want to be part of a British banana republic on the outside of the EU. (just today the chief British EU negotiator resigned as he knows he is dealing with a basket case country with no serious plan!!)
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -11The UK is clearly in no position to lecture Argentina on managing an economy.
Argentina on the other hand is clearly on the way up with the Macri government and the Brits cant afford the Malvinas. The Malvinas will be begging to join us in our Latin America family before the end of this year.
Dieguito, such silliness. The defence of the Falklands costs each UK resident about 1.1 £ per year. Maybe less. Basically nothing.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +6“Argentina on the other hand is clearly on the way up” ?
Apparently you don't read the news. Argentina is in decay. It will probably soon be sold to Paraguay for its scrap value.
The Falklanders have a much higher per capita income than do the argentos, with Argenzuela's poverty rate of 35 percent or so. Or did you forget that as well?
The problem with Argentina's being a republiqueta bananera is that, much like don Dieguito, it long ago lost its bananas.
That's a bit unfair Marti. Look on the bright side: there's actually someone in Argentina who still has faith in Macri and is optimistic about the economy! And as a bonus we only have to wait a year to see how wrong his prediction is, unlike Hepatia's neverending 25 years.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Erm.. I dont understand how in 1832 Argentina immediately protested. Argentina didn't even exist! Anyway, all that is irrelavent, its what the Falkland Islanders decided in their referendum that matters.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +3As for Wonder Woman and the Scots, its up to them what they decide. From what I hear from my Scotch friends leaving the UK is a minority view.
We don't grow bananas in Britain. And, we are a Monarchy not a Republic.
”Banana republic or banana state is a political science term used for politically unstable countries in Latin America whose economies are largely dependent on exporting a limited-resource product, e.g. bananas.” In Argentina's case Soya…
Marti,
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are so disgusted by the true roots of argentinicity or how many bananas is this country worth, why don't you just sell your property and move somewhere you feel comfortable at?
I often agree with you in lots of things but this time you just sound like ChrisR complaining about jibber-jabber all the time.
You sound like a sensible person. What is keeping you here?
El Diego
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +4...“(just today the chief British EU negotiator resigned ”
He wasn't much of a negotiator anyway....
He got nothing for Cameron in the EU renegotiations...
...and so Cameron returned with nothing to offer the electorate as reasons for staying in the EU, which in turn probably tipped the balance in the referendum for a Brexit...
So good riddance to bad rubbish....
Haha, agree with Voice, for once.. Exactly my thoughts plus a ridiculously rigid stance on border control from the Eurocrats.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +42017 and we're still carting the same worn out luggage around.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Look at how the value of the pound is plummeting and more to go when they get kicked out of the EU. Its a banana republic that still lives in an un-glorified imperial racist past.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -4El Diego, what do you mean? The Arg peso is still at 19 to the pound and you still have 35% population living below the poverty line. I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about the terms of “brexit” and its effect on the British economy. Until 1971 (you won't be able to recall this) Britain survived perfectly well without the EU, and will continue after it leaves. As for “imperialist, racist past”, with Gt Britain, you're right, it is in the past, whereas that situation is still rife in Argentina. Why else would you want to expand to the Falkland Islands?
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Argentina calls for everything, but will get nothing,
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3their is no talking to be done,
I have said it before, no negotiations until Argentina drop this stupid and illegal claim,
when will we ever learn.
@ Tarquin Fin
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few little gems about Española or as I see it 'Jibber-jabber'.
Do you know how many verbs there are recognised by Spain? I bet you don't: it's 12,292 plus 68 'common' verbs.
Do you realise that Argentina is the laughing stock of Uruguay because of how it mangles the language to the point of it being unintelligible? And this for a language that is semi-intelligible at best!
Have you ever stopped to consider why there are so many meanings for each word and why there are so many contractual disasters when Española is used for property sales? One of my best Uruguayo friends is in the midst of one as I write following her having to take over her parents affairs. The situation just wouldn't have arisen in the UK but has in Uruguay due to a previous government mixing things up.
Anyway, just to keep that smile on your face here is my accurate portrayal of the situation:
“Spanish / Española: why use eight English words to describe an idea perfectly when 50 Española ones won't! © ChrisR 2014”
:o)
Chris,
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I get you. I do indeed prefer English when it comes to computers. I feel lost when looking for “Settings ...” to then realize that the operating system has been installed in spanish an the thing I should have been looking for is something like “Establecer configuración ...”
But this is only out of habit and the fact that back in the 80's when I got myself started in my career you would seldom see internationalized versions of software.
FYI, Uruguayans do have their caveats when tailoring the spanish language to their actual needs.
You should also notice that Argentina and Uruguay as well are sometimes more succint than English in some cases. Take for instance the English expression “Fuck off” (2 words) compared to just a single word: “Chupala”
@ChrisR
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know that Argentine Spanish (or at least bonaerense) has 926 words or expressions meaning “theft” and not a single term for “honesty” ?
Oh what a bunch of boring old fart racists on here posting about why english is better than spanish......you guys need to get a life
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Marti,
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, there are several Argento words that mean honesty. No wonder you've never heard any of them given the fact that you live in Santa Cruz.
@TF
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +3After consulting my Argento-Castellano/Castellano-Argento dictionary I see that while there are actually 1249 argento terms for theft, there are only three for “honesty” and all of those are identified as “arcaico.”
For once I think the troll may have a point.
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Anyway, is the Spanish spoken in Uruguay really that different to what's spoken in Argentina?
Marti,
Jan 03rd, 2017 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, you are not going to find those words in some dictionary. Never mind. It is true that there are a lot of words meaning theft. I had no idea that amount went as far as 1249. Are you trying to prove that all Argentos are thieves?
You would have a point as historically petty theft has been the only means of survival for many generations of gauchos and inmigrants in a less than fair social and cultural environment.
I will even agree with you that those circumstances made it to pop culture over the years in the form of a slight praise for the street wise individual, “porteño” style, low level scam artist expressed mostly in some tango lyrics.
Yet, while that is a very annoying trait of Argento culture, you could nonetheless agree with me in that this is not the source of rampant corruption and violent crime that we suffer nowadays.
@TF “...move ...somewhere you feel comfortable at?”
Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse +2Why stay? Wealth and amusement. And Río Gallegos is actually quite peaceful most of the time. I am perfectly comfortable and my holdings here and around the province are worth more with each passing day. The estancia practically runs itself (actually it's run by a chilean family now but rapidly appreciating in value). I am perfectly comfortable, surrounded by some remarkable people (mostly croatas, one a relative of Néstor) who mostly share my disdain for foolishness and don't drool in the bombilla. I have a great view of the ría here (not far from CFK's house), and I thoroughly enjoy the constant parade of folly. As free entertainment, it would be hard to improve upon. It's like a 24/7 Fellini movie. What I can't easily get here I find in or have shipped to Punta Arenas. The weather is harsh, yes, but that keeps the jujeños and the bonaerenses away. One thing is lacking, however, and that is a reliable supply of really good chirimoya ice-cream, so let's see what you can do to rectify that shortcoming.
Besides, if I went back to Singapore I'd probably be arrested.
On the run from South East Asia....?
Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse -2The mind boggles...
I'm guessing...we don't want to know...
Voicey is improving his geography skills. It seems he believes he can now locate Singapore.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now he just needs to work on his sense of humour and timing.
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@TF “Seriously, you are not going to find those words in some dictionary. ”
There are several good Lunfardo dictionaries. But you are right in that you won't find all those synonyms for theft in just one such dictionary.
Authors Gobello and Teruggi assembled some good material on the subject. There are some wonderful essays on lunfardo that include what are essentially debates between Borges and Gobello.
Argentina must return its country to the native Americans and all European colonialists should leave
Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse +5180 years or so and counting. After so long, the Falkland Islanders own the Falkland Islands lock, stock and barrel.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse +3No indigenous population either to muddy the waters. No massacres either.
Nothing to talk about apart from where the new air connections will land and FIG's fees.
El Diego
Jan 04th, 2017 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“The UK is clearly in no position to lecture Argentina on managing an economy. ”
Argentina's top fighter aircraft at present are Tucano Turboprop trainers, and turboprop Pucaras.
No Skyhawks.
No Mirages.
No Super Etendards.
No Fingers/Daggers.
Over the water from you, the Falkland Islands are defended by Eurofighter Typhoons, so the UK economy can't be that bad.
When the UK leave the EU, we will be free to negotiate trade deals with anyone including Argentina if they want one.
If elections go the wrong way in Germany and France (that is, the wrong way from the point of view of the EU), the EU may not last very long.
Even the Falkland Islands can run their small economy better than Argentina can run theirs-the Falkland Islands run at a surplus.
If Argentina ran the Falklands economically,they would go down the gurgler within 10years.
Best that Macri gets some advice from the Falkland Islandser how to run an economy at a surplus.
What advice is that...?
Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Get HMS Clyde to enforce your fishing licences...?
Become a dependant colony of a Nation...?
You are seriously not living in the real world...if you think the Falklands would have a surplus without the UK...
With enormous value in the fisheries and 2 billion barrels of oil sitting in the bank for future exploitation, even the simplest of minds can understand why the islands are not going to be given away.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +4EL DIEGO
Jan 04th, 2017 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no problem with English versus Spanish - each language has its merits in spite of the nonsense of Chris R.
However, I just would like to know whether los argentinos y, en particular, los porteños considera que su idioma es el español?
@Gordito, “.....porteños considera que su idioma es el español?”
Jan 04th, 2017 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2There was a time (or times) when Argentina tried to identify its language as “el idioma argentino”- unique and “not Spanish.” Initially that was partly a rejection of the culture and policies of Spain during Argentina's colonial days, but the objection to Peninsular Spanish in Argentina seems to have been more virulent than in other former colonies, long before the arrival of Italians and Lunfardo. That “language separateness” is surely a part of the perennially arrogant nationalism that has almost always been one of the first things an outsider notices about Argentina. When I was at university in Spain one of the related issues I remember was an Argentine author publicly proclaiming that Spanish had strangled itself and it was up to the Argentines to breathe new life into the language. And then there was Costa Álvarez, who famously insisted that argentines enjoyed their own special, exclusive language [“... los argentinos tenemos un idioma privativo....”] Of course, Argentine students at Spanish universities didn't always have the best of times and some even quit over disputes with Spanish professors in disagreements concerning the language. At least that used to be the case, years ago. In all the American vs Canadian vs British English I've never seen that sort of long-lived animosity since the differences are usually viewed with amusement.
Por lo que valga.
Yes, our language is Spanish. A beautiful, elegant and poetic Spanish.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2dieguito, todavía me sigo riendo de eso.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a good Argentinean writer put it some 90 years ago...:
Jan 04th, 2017 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“Muchos, con intención de desconfianza, interrogarán: ¿Qué zanja insuperable hay entre el español de los españoles y el de nuestra conversación argentina? Yo le respondo que ninguna, venturosamente para la entendibilidad general de nuestro decir. Un matiz de diferenciación sí lo hay: matiz que es lo bastante discreto para no entorpecer la circulación total del idioma y lo bastante nítido para que en él oigamos la patria. No pienso aquí en los algunos miles de palabras primitivas que intercalamos y que los peninsulares no entienden. Pienso en el ambiente distinto de nuestra voz, en la valoración irónica o cariñosa que damos a determinadas palabras, en su temperatura no igual. No hemos variado el sentido intrínseco de las palabras, pero si su connotación. Esa divergencia, nula en la prosa argumentativa o en la didáctica, es grande en lo que mira a las emociones. Nuestra discusión será hispana, pero nuestro verso, nuestro humorismo, ya son de aquí. Lo emotivo -desolador o alegrador- es asunto de ellas y lo rige la atmósfera de las palabras, no su significado. La palabra SÚBDITO [...] Es decente en España y denigrativa en América. La palabra ENVIDIADO es formulación de elogio en España (”su envidiado tesoro de voces pintorescas, felices y expresivas” dice la Gramática oficial de los españoles) y aquí, jactarse de la envidia de los demás nos parece ruin. Nuestras mayores palabras de poesía “arrabal” y “pampa” no son sentidas por ningún español. Nuestro “lindo” es palabra que se juega entera para elogiar; el de los españoles no es aprobativo con tantas ganas. “Gozar” y “sobrar ”miran con atención malévola aquí. Y así prolijamente, de muchas palabras.”
Jorge Luis Borges...: El idioma de los argentinos - Buenos Aires 1928
Think.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1There is no such thing as a 'good' Argentine writer.
“Cuando se nos pregunta de pronto qué lengua hablamos los argentinos, vacilamos mucho en responder. ”
Jan 04th, 2017 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0//Arturo Costa Álvarez
”Cuando se nos pregunta de pronto qué lengua hablamos los argentinos, no vacilamos en responder. ”
Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -5///El Think de Chubut
Si no me equivoco Borges era 25% británico y además era Knight Commander of the British Empire(KBE)
Jan 04th, 2017 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +2We have gone way off track here talking about idiomas and such like. Entertaining as it is may I redirect matters back towards the complete and utter tripe that is yet vomiting forth from yet another malcontent, cognitively deficient, un-savvy, totally blinkered Argentine government. in addition can somebody please execute, terminate the existence in some way or simply retire their translator...pretty pretty please!!!!
Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3That seems a little harsh, Outlawcatcher. Plus you should realise that if you get rid of the translator, you'll have to read the articles in Spanish instead.
Jan 04th, 2017 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +3England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse -8@demontree....get a competent new one!
Jan 05th, 2017 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://en.mercopress.com/2016/12/31/argentina-gdp-contracts-3.8-in-third-quarter-sharp-declines-in-manufacturing-and-construction
Jan 05th, 2017 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Argentine economy still being milked dry by the political elites there. So left or right its difficult to find a non corrupt politician unfortunately. They all have their nose in the trough it seems.
Most of the problems regarding corruption can be put down to the politicians selecting the judiciary to their advantage. Years ago I had unfortuneately broken a local law and the company I worked for had to pay the prosecutor to make it go away.This was my lawyer saying we should pay a bribe.
Jan 06th, 2017 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regrettably for you Roger Lorton the UNGA reiterated its call both to UK and Argentina to resume negotiations over sovereignty to solve the dispute. 4 November 1982, AFTER the war. Resolution 37/9. Dispute was not over at all and UK has recognized this to this very day. The so-called “sovereignty umbrella” is one of the many statements so acknowledging. Truth always prevails
Jan 07th, 2017 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Alejomartinez
Jan 07th, 2017 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Tell us how YOU would negociate with an adversary when the other side has nothing to offer, It is written in Argentinas constitution that ” The FALKLANDS are Argetinian, until that is removed there can be no negociation and that is also a stumbling block as Argentina refuses to accept the FALKLANDERS are a people.
@golfcronie
Jan 07th, 2017 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Which is precisely why we say that the argies don't want the “dialogue” they profess, but only a one-sided “monologue.”
One of the most amusing pieces of evidence of the lack of seriousness, reason, and reality in the argie psyche is the belief that by placing a notion in their internal and very frangible constitution, that it must be thus magically be acceptable and adopted by the international community. It is one of oh so many things that make Argentina the laughingstock of South America.
“As a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' We now practically read it 'all men are created equal, except negroes.' When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”
Jan 07th, 2017 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1― Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln Letters
Thank's Mr. El Diego...
Jan 07th, 2017 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Didn't know that letter...
No Turnip that Lincoln lad...
to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of ??
Jan 07th, 2017 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Would one care to name a country like you describe..?
Did anyone notice that El Dieguito's apparent verbatim quote is.... not quite.... but instead rather edited?
Jan 07th, 2017 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then again, policies of two or three centuries ago are hardly as significant as those that prevail at the moment. Which is why the silliness of “1833” is just that.... silliness.
@ML
Jan 08th, 2017 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Surely the point of putting it in the Argentine constitution was to prevent any future government or president, who might for example value business more than sovereignty, making an agreement that would give up the claim?
“When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.”
There you go, Briton. And it's still strangely relevant today.
Alejomartinez “Truth always prevails”
Jan 08th, 2017 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Since it its you that is advocating that UN Resolutions are paramount. You will certainly be abiding by this one won’t you.
“..It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be
construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'..”
Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
in the Argentine constitution was to prevent any future government ??
Jan 08th, 2017 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1then surely the islanders could in theory do the same to stop future politicians from handing the islands over to the local tealeaves.
[ to Russia, for instance ]
I would have thought north Korea would be suitable for him,
they make no pretence of anything,
after all, who complains in north Korea ??
just a though.
The argies inserting something like a claim to the Falklands in their constitution and expecting the civilised world to observe it is a lot like having the town council of Pillsbury, North Dakota, pass a resolution requiring Kim Jong-un to eat his broccoli.
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