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PM May names veteran diplomat as envoy to EU: overcomes mini Brexit turmoil

Thursday, January 5th 2017 - 10:06 UTC
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Prime Minister Theresa May appointed a senior career diplomat as envoy to the European Union on Wednesday to replace an ambassador who quit with a scathing resignation letter that exposed frustration among officials over her strategy. . Tim Barrow, political director at the Foreign Office, will take up the post next week following the abrupt departure of Ivan Rogers, who told staff in his resignation letter they should “speak the truth to those in power”. Read full article

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  • Fidel_CasTroll

    I'm sorry, but Brexiters seem to have a lower IQ than the rest of the populace.
    “But Brexit supporters described his comments as sour grapes and said he should be replaced by someone who was more positive about Britain's prospects outside the EU”

    How on Earth can you rationalize assigning people to positions in government cabinets, or diplomacy, or central banking, be based on the touchstone of their “ideological stance on the EU and Brexit”? Should not the touchstone be “is he the best diplomat at hand, or the best expert in this cabinet sector, or a fine economist”?

    The UK is doomed, it seems to have devolved somehow and you show it by the mediocrity of their recent governments.

    Heck, if one needs urgent operating, would you replace the doctor and surgeon with your aunt and best drinking buddy just because the latter are much more upbeat about my chances than the former, therefore they would make better surgeons? That is the ridiculous and laughable mentality...

    You are soo doombed.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ElaineB

    @ TTT

    You make a good point about who we should appoint to negotiate but I have to disagree with you on the 'doomed' comment. That is just your wet dream and not a reality.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • gyforks

    That Fidel Tit is presumably posting his/her nonsense from Argentina, a serial failing country in almost perpetual chaos where a large section of tbe populace live in poverty in cardboard and tin hovels! Fat chance of anyone listening to his stream of drivel.

    As the lady says 'his wet dream'.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    Perpetual chaos? Everyone is on vacation and having a good time, the roads are packed as are the mountains and beaches. Hotels and restos are buzzing, the Dakar rally is rolling, summer football is starting...

    The only think in chaos is the UK and your brain apparently. Well, and much of the northern hemisphere. Doomed I tell you.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • ElaineB

    @ TTT

    That you are so pessimistic at such a young age is really sad.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    Lol. DOOOOMED! We're all doomed I tell you!

    Actually, despite the Brexiters' best efforts, the UK is not in chaos either. If they could manage to get over their ridiculous paranoia for a moment, they'd realise that the diplomats who work with the EU have been negotiating with them all along, trying to shape the rules to suit us, or get concessions and exceptions when they didn't. They have the experience and they are not going to suddenly abandon their job of working for Britain's interests.

    Anyway, how's your vacation FC? Did you get your extra days?

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fidel_CasTroll

    Unlike in the last 5 annual vacations which have always been in January, this year I was assigned to February. But instead or 7-9 days as the case last two years where the situation was not good, this year I get a whole two weeks for the year! I am very thrilled.

    I may head for Barreal in San Juan. I need the peace.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    You don't get to choose when your holiday is? But congrats on getting 2 weeks. Barreal looks nice, and has two astronomical observatories, although that's probably not something you're interested in. Are you planning to do anything in particular?

    Have fun anyway!

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • ChrisR

    @ DT

    I think you have a slight error in you first sentence, allow me to correct it for you:
    “Actually, despite the Remoaner's best efforts, the UK is not in chaos either.”

    There, that's better and reflects the actual situation.

    Jan 05th, 2017 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ChrisR
    I haven't seen any Remain supporters accusing anyone of being traitors to their country, or fifth columnists, or enemies of the people. If you want to destroy a country, such accusations are certainly a good way to begin.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • ChrisR

    @ DT

    Really, I am surprised.

    Perhaps it's because they have been busy spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on having the electorate sidelined in court or putting together a £10M 'war chest' to 'ensure' Brexit is stopped in it's tracks like BLiar and The Ugly One is doing?

    Now it seems the BoE has had to admit they were wrong about the effect of Brexit as it has turned out even better than I thought it would so far and Project Fear managed by Osbourne and The Canuck had no basis if reality or actual proof. Us Brexiters knew that already.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @ChrisR
    Who on earth is 'The Ugly One'? Actually don't bother telling me. I shouldn't need a goddamn lookup table to understand who the hell you are talking about.

    You realise that if Remain had won, Blair would have stayed in obscurity right? Another delightful consequence of the Leave vote. :(

    But anyway, I think trying to fight Brexit is foolish. They should be fighting to get us decent terms and maybe more importantly, fighting for a less divided society. We don't want to end up like certain other countries, where anyone who disagrees with the populist government is an 'enemy of the revolution' or working for a certain imperialistic foreign power. There is no such thing as 'the will of the people' because we're not some kind of hive mind, but a lot of people with different ideas about how the country should look, and how to achieve that. And maybe, if the government had listened more to the people who disagreed with them in the past, we wouldn't be in this situation now.

    As for the effect of Brexit on the economy, if it's turned out even better than you expected, why are you always complaining on here about Carney and the fall in the pound? Sounds to me like you should be praising him, if the country is doing so well under his management.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ DT

    Apart from the pound dropping in value - affecting all those overseas once their 'bought forward' money runs out - the general markets are coasting along nicely. Why? Because no one has seen the effects of Brexit yet. We won't for several years or even a decade even begin to see the consequences. I don't like to live in a doom and gloom state of mind but we are going to live with uncertainty for at least a decade. Uncertainty is never a great time for average Joe. That I am pretty unaffected gives me no comfort. A divided society living in uncertainty becomes a dangerous place for everyone.

    Oh, and I am with you on the infantile name-calling that makes every post a nonsense. It is part of the deteriorating mind that old men become children again. Honestly, read some of his posts from a few years back and he made some sense. Now is is just constant griping, revolting name-calling and bitterness.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Briton

    Does not matter who does the negotiating as long as we get the best deal and we leave,

    The economy is doing fine thank you, and will no doubt get better.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ DT
    “As for the effect of Brexit on the economy, if it's turned out even better than you expected, why are you always complaining on here about Carney and the fall in the pound? Sounds to me like you should be praising him, if the country is doing so well under his management.”

    That is one of the most ridiculous statements you have posted. It's 'done better' despite his MIS-management.

    I, and others on here, have realised that you lack finance experience but you won't get it by being easily sidetracked like this idiot.

    @ Pathological Liar EB
    “Why? Because no one has seen the effects of Brexit yet. We won't for several years or even a decade even begin to see the consequences.”

    Another attempt by you at Project Fear? No wonder you lie your head off you are incapable of intelligent reasoning so throw some nonsense into the mix.

    “I don't like to live in a doom and gloom state of mind but we are going to live with uncertainty for at least a decade.” Says you, just like The Canuck at the BoE.

    “Uncertainty is never a great time for average Joe.” How would you know? You travel first class and live in top hotels (which I don't blame you doing when you are away for weeks) but don't try and make out you have ever been anything other than a pampered daughter, lacking for nothing.

    “Oh, and I am with you on the infantile name-calling that makes every post a nonsense.”

    Of course you are darling, of course you are! It gives you yet another chance of a dig.

    I cannot help it if you don't keep up to speed with The Ugly Hag from SA, who financed by her millionaire husband is doing her 'best' at overturning the will of the majority - just like you would given half-a-chance.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Bat-shit Crazy ChrisR

    Calm down, your blood pressure will be dangerously high for an old man like you.

    Another rambling post from you making no sense whatsoever. Even someone like you who loves to display his ignorance should be able to understand that no one can predict what will happen after Brexit. No one.

    Every time you lie about me you look even more deranged.

    Jan 06th, 2017 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ Patholigal Liar EB

    Projection again I see.

    BP is OK, even for 'my age' which makes me laugh when I think you only have 25 years left to get to it yourself.

    As for rambling, I cannot help it if you don't understand the words I use. Tell us all, do you think you are going native with all the foreign countries you go to. I am waiting with baited breath for your little missive from China. Going as a concubine are you, oh, sorry, you are too OLD for that!

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • ElaineB

    @ Bat-shit Crazy ChrisR

    More lies for everyone to see. Lies, lies, lies.

    You know nothing about me or my work and that is driving you insane. It eats away at you every day and we all watch your mental deterioration.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @CR
    How do you think we should judge Carney's management of the economy, if not by how the economy is doing? Evidently he is doing at least a reasonable job, or it would NOT be doing better than expected.

    You obviously have a personal interest in this as you are affected by the exchange rate, but the lower pound makes British businesses more competitive so it would not make sense to try to raise it.

    @EB
    Yes, we have not seen the actual effects of Brexit yet so it would not be a good idea to get complacent. But it depends if we get any kind of deal with the EU - which is looking increasingly unlikely - and what the details are if so.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ DT

    Indeed, there are far too many unknowns to predict how this will pan out for the U.K. As I said before, this will take years after we actually leave the EU to evaluate and probably more than a decade. But what is predictable is that uncertainty is not good for the economy in general. I suspect a lot of the old white men that championed Brexit won't be alive to see the effects.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ DT

    Just consider driving a high powered car, one with all the electronic aids on it.

    You are very pleased with the performance but the fuel economy is not really what you thought, then one day you give a lift to a friend who has a similar car and after five minutes of silence he suddenly says “you do know this car is programmed to apply the brakes everytime the forward looking computer system sees a shadow on the road because it thinks it needs to avoid it? Just reset the drive computer to 'normal' and the car will go much better and be more economic, I can show you how if you don't know”.

    And you friend was correct because he had read the handbook and you had not. :o)

    @ Pathological Liar EB

    Ah, now you want me dead!

    That wouldn't solve your problems though, you would STILL be a liar.

    Anyway the 'diplomat' who claimed the 10 years has just resigned from the F&CO: he was like you, told lies but unlike you did the right thing and went away.

    So far I have had far more success at predicting what will happen with Brexit and I predict you are incorrect for one very simple reason: the rest of the EU countries have far more to lose than the UK and will be lining up to deal with the newly invigorated and liberated UK.

    Just stop looking past your mother's skirts and take the chance that you CAN do even better than you have so far. But you must stop lying to your customers.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Briton

    Well MAY will do her interview tomorrow on sky news I believe,
    lets see what she has to say,

    as long as she keeps to her target of on or before the end of march to set article 50.
    then thing can start moving one way or another.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ Bat-shit Mad ChrisR

    Wow, you are dissolving into complete mental meltdown.

    For everyone's benefit let's look at the lies and nonsense spouted by this nutter using just this thread as an example.

    ChrisR: “Ah, now you want me dead!”

    Where could you possibly get that idea from my posts unless you are beyond paranoid?

    (Note: ChrisR told me to kill myself - you can see the post on this message board )

    ChrisR “But you must stop lying to your customers.”

    What? What customers? Are you completely off your rocker? Is this all part of the fantasy you weave about me?

    ChrisR “BP is OK, even for 'my age' which makes me laugh when I think you only have 25 years left to get to it yourself.”

    He has no idea of my age and so he just lies about it.

    ChrisR “I am waiting with baited breath for your little missive from China. Going as a concubine are you, oh, sorry, you are too OLD for that!”

    Apart from the passive aggressive insinuation that I am a prostitute (not the first time he has said this) he has no idea of my age so is lying again.

    ChrisR ”You travel first class and live in top hotels (which I don't blame you doing when you are away for weeks) but don't try and make out you have ever been anything other than a pampered daughter, lacking for nothing.”

    More lies. I have talked about living in apartments in Argentina and in a current thread about flying Club Class. Why does ChrisR have to lie so blatantly about it? Pure jealousy because he can't afford to fly anything but economy? Lies, lies, lies.

    What is the 'pampered daughter' remark about? Another attempt to get my age from me? More envy? Or more evidence of his inability to understand that women like me can be successful without any help from any man? It is just terrifying for him to imagine.

    ChrisR is scared of everyone and everything. He spews hatred at anyone who is not an old white man because it terrifies him that the cards are no longer stacked in favour of people like him.

    Jan 07th, 2017 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ChrisR
    I think I would prefer to trust a trained mechanic when it comes to my car, just as I would rather trust a trained economist rather than an anonymous internet commentator when it comes to the economy.

    Jan 08th, 2017 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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