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Falklands under no pressure from the UK: “final decision on flights will be ours, and ours alone”

Tuesday, January 17th 2017 - 09:29 UTC
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The Falkland Islands Government is under no pressure from the UK government to agree to something that we feel is not in our best interests, and ”the final decision on (additional) flights will be ours, and ours alone”. The statement belongs to the elected Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands' chair of the month, Barry Elsby. Read full article

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  • Think

    TWIMC

    David Eynon..., 1/2 time Puerto Estanley resident Engrishman says...:
    - “so that our nearest neighbor can continue to play their devious games and hidden objectives.”

    El Think..., 4/6 time Chubutenan Argie-Scandinavian says...:
    What “devious games and hidden objectives.” Can an Engrishman read in...:
    - “La Nación Argentina ratifica su legítima e imprescriptible soberanía sobre las islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur y Sandwich del Sur y los espacios marítimos e insulares correspondientes, por ser parte integrante del territorio nacional. La recuperación de dichos territorios y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando el modo de vida de sus habitantes y conforme a los principios del Derecho Internacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del pueblo argentino.”
    Argentinean Constitution (1994)

    ???

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse -11
  • Roger Lorton

    Well, Think, firstly it would be the lack of any “legitimate and imprescriptible sovereignty” quickly followed by the Argie fantasy that “ it is an integral part of the national territory.”

    The myth, of the “recovery of these territories” which Argentina has never established ownership over, and the wild illusion that Argentina could ever get “full exercise of sovereignty.”

    Your fanciful Constitution, 1st generation Argie, is just another chapter of Lord of the Rings, or, perhaps, Game of Thrones :-)

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Brit Bob

    Unfortunately our situation is not normal and as Dave rightly says, Argentina still claims our country and for many years has been trying, but failing, to undermine our development.

    A sovereignty claim without a case can only be described as an illegitimate claim and w o r t h l e s s.

    Argentina's Illegitimate Sovereignty Claims: https://www.academia.edu/27599163/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims_V2

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Mr. Lorton...

    I wholly disapprove, of course, of what you say above - and, of course, I will defend to the death your right to say it....

    But...

    Despite all your fancy words above..., you didn't answer the question...:
    What “DEVIOUS GAMES and HIDDEN OBJECTIVES” ...can an Engrishman read in...:
    - “La Nación Argentina ratifica su legítima e imprescriptible soberanía sobre las islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur y Sandwich del Sur y los espacios marítimos e insulares correspondientes, por ser parte integrante del territorio nacional. La recuperación de dichos territorios y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando el modo de vida de sus habitantes y conforme a los principios del Derecho Internacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del pueblo argentino.”

    ???

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Marti Llazo

    Similarly, the Argentine constitution claims irrevocable oil rights on the moon as specified by Papist Bull, the unassailable right to bimonthly default on payments related to sovereign debt, credit for the invention of obsidian, the transnational rights of all world citizens to unfettered enjoyment of the International Metric Weekend, the legitimacy of the pompous mispronunciation of every transitive verb and every noun beginning with LL in the otherwise Spanish language, and the right to wholly or partially ignore and burlesque and the prescriptions of any governing body on earth or neighbouring planets.

    He dicho.

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • merlin

    I dont blame argentina for thinking that FIG is a puppet of London any more than they can blame us for mistrusting everything they say.
    But we didnt start this nonsense.
    M

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • The Voice

    In your dreams Stink. Why don't you lot promote another cause with more chance of success? - flying pigs perhaps? Were you in the Muppets?

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Viking

    Falklanders switch on your high beam headlights; consider the future in longer terms. Same is valid for us Argentines.
    After the beating we received Argentina will never again be a menace to your independence. Ignominious attack shall not be repeated. The ghost of military threat is definitely dead.
    I believe the future of the Islands will be better off with more communication than with less. I believe more flights would help getting to know you better and thereby help us accept reality.
    Having a stopover at Ezeiza would facilitate transpolar flights to New Zealand and Australia, nonstop flights to Europe and North America, medical arrangements with hospitals in BA, student interchange with the Argentina and the world, not to speak of more competitive air fares for tourists.
    Waring nations tend to become friendly and even partners. Someday, same will be true for the south Atlantic. We cannot live on past grievances. Let us all help putting friendliness first.
    Please accept a foreign opinion, it’s only that… an opinion.
    Pablo Lebeck
    Tres Arroyos, Argentina.

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    Flying pigs? In the Argentine constitution ! Mirá vos.

    ”La Republiqueta Bananera Argentina ratifica su legítima e imprescriptible soberanía sobre los Cerdos Voladores, los Boludeces del Sur, y el Frigorifico Swift de Puerto San Julián, por ser partes integrantes del patrimonio nacional. La recuperación o sea el robo de susodichos elementos y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando absolutamente nada de lo que pueda llevar la pinta de cualquier cosa extranjera, y conforme a los principios del Capricho Nacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del populacho peroncho.”

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • James Marshall

    Hmmm....Think, what 'principles' of international law give you and Argentina any right what so ever to claim South Georgia or the SS Islands let alone The Falklands. That alone, makes your constitution a devious and fake document.

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Marti Llazo

    Constitución Trucha, País Juguete

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Marti! :-)))))

    Chimps love Bananas, and the scraps they leave can be enjoyed by parrots! :-)))))

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Sooo...an English part-timer calling for a Falklands referendum...seems a bit of a cheek...

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “An English part-timer calling for a Falklands referendum”
    What elitist criteria requirements is this offending? Nationality, an amateur, or the exercise of Self-Determination, an entitlement that is jus cogens.

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Sr. Viking...:
    Muy buén comentario... Típico de un “Dinamarques” del campo...
    Saludos cordiales...
    El Think, Chubut, Argentina...

    Mr. Voice...:
    Not as cheeky as those Engrish no-timers..., craving 12,000,000 square kilometers of Chilean and Argentinean South Atlantic & Antarctic territories...

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Conqueror

    @Viking: A good attempt at sounding rational. Let's pose some questions. What action did Italy have to take before the WW2 Allies stopped fighting it? Next question. What action did Nazi Germany have to take before the WW2 Allies stopped fighting it? Third question. What action did Imperial Japan have to take before the WW2 Allies stopped fighting it. The answer to all the questions is the same. The country concerned had to surrender unconditionally. According to you, argieland wants the Falkland Islands to view it as a 'normal' country whilst it continues to maintain a false and illegitimate claim to sovereignty of the Islands, retains a paragraph in its constitution that reiterates that claim, has failed to apologise for the 1982 invasion and occupation, allows individual argies to travel to the Islands intent on making trouble, refuses to repatriate its war dead on the premise that, by leaving the remains where they are, a part of the Islands 'belongs' to argieland. In addition, argieland continues to claim a part of Antarctica that had been claimed by Britain 35 years before. And argieland made THAT claim whilst Britain was in the midst of a World War. Considering the relationship, no doubt based on an assurance by Hitler that Britain would lose the war. For these reasons, and perhaps more, argieland has little chance of being viewed as a 'normal' country. And Britain agrees. That's why it maintains a fully capable garrison on and around the Islands. Despite the deaths of various 'leaders', Italy, Germany and Japan were not considered 'normal' until it was judged that they were no longer a threat.

    @As for you, Twinky, we don't 'crave' anything. We already have what we want. It's your lot that 'craves'. And will never succeed!

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    Not as cheeky as those double dipping sock-puppeteers that have only their own xenophobic personal view. As they can’t rely on any solitary segment of international law, whereas the UK has an abundance of support from international law.

    Jan 17th, 2017 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    As well as an abundance of support from a number of cruise missiles.

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • gordo1

    La Nación Argentina ratifica los varios cuentos de hadas, mitos, mentiras y las malas interpretaciones de eventos históricos que constituyen sus reclamos por la legítima soberanía sobre las islas Falkland(Malvinas), Georgias del Sur y Sandwich del Sur y los espacios marítimos e insulares correspondientes, por ser parte integrante del territorio nacional. Etc Etc ¡Pura caca de toro!

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • James Marshall

    'Not as cheeky as those Engrish no-timers..., craving 12,000,000 square kilometers of Chilean and Argentinean South Atlantic & Antarctic territories...'

    Really Think, so you want to claim land you have never owned, that is owned or claimed by others. And your claim is based on what? proximity? geography? please that is such an amateur and ignorant argument. The only unethical, lying and cheating ones are those who would dare in 2017 to claim and steal land against the rights of the current inhabitants.

    Still not answered my question above I see. What rights have Argentina to claim SSI and SG in your constitution.
    I don't expect an answer as you cannot give one valid reason for this claim in international law. It is purely a devious and falsified document for the appeasement of the uneducated and ignorant. And you stand by it?

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Stink too is clearly uneducated and ignorant. Either that or willing to swallow fibs whole..

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    By the way...

    MLA Elsby says in the above article...:
    - “We are a growing country with increasing numbers of tourists visiting each year together with more and more business links in the region.”

    I say...:
    - Nope..., you are a stagnant poulated British Overseas Territory with a stagnant number of tourist visiting each year (62,000 in 2008..., remember?) With stagnant business links in the region...

    By the way...
    Where are the official results from the 2016 census...?
    How long can it take to count some 2,700 souls that have already been counted innumerable times...?
    Huhhhhhhhhh...?

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    Well, tinkle, even at their worst they can't beat your 35% argies in poverty, eh?

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “I say… with a stagnant number of tourist visiting each year”.
    They say “Though detailed statistics are not yet available, passenger figures would appear to have started to pick up again over the past two seasons. ….visitors also arrive at the Islands by air … tourists arriving by air were estimated to spend £7.8 million and cruise ship visitors £1.7 million on the Islands in 2012. … the Falkland Islands GDP had a growth trend more similar to South American countries.” http://www.fiassociation.com/shopimages/pdfs/2015%2003%20State%20of%20the%20Falkland%20Islands%20Economy%20Report.pdf
    “Falkland Islands tourism has made a remarkable comeback in the past few years with the number of cruise ship visitors rising from less than 30,000 in 2012-13 to potentially double that this year” http://www.fiassociation.com/shopimages/pdfs/2015%2003%20State%20of%20the%20Falkland%20Islands%20Economy%20Report.pdf
    ‘Falklands have a per capita GDP “ten times higher than Argentina”’
    http://www.fiassociation.com/shopimages/pdfs/2015%2003%20State%20of%20the%20Falkland%20Islands%20Economy%20Report.pdf
    Regardless, in spite of your ill will and that of your ilk, they seem to be managing much better than their neighbours.
    “What elitist criteria requirements is this offending?” Just yours, so no problem, as Argentina has no legal leg on which to base a claim.

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Viking

    Muy atento Mr. Think, gracias.
    And Mr. Conqueror, you have a point regarding unconditional surrender as ours was limited to the territory in dispute. As I say, Warring nations tend to become friendly and even partners. Someday, same will be true for the south Atlantic. We cannot live on past grievances. Let us all help putting friendliness first.
    “Someday” regarding this conflict will take a generation or three! Nothing is eternal. In the meantime common sense should prevail in practical matters. Believe it would be an advantage for all.
    Best wishes.

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    “Falkland Islands tourism has made a remarkable comeback in the past few years with the number of cruise ship visitors rising from less than 30,000 in 2012-13 to potentially double that this year” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3206010/Why-Falkland-Islands-cruise-ship-tourism-booming-60-000-visitors-expected-arrive-year.html
    ‘Falklands have a per capita GDP “ten times higher th
    n Argentina”’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3206010/Why-Falkland-Islands-cruise-ship-tourism-booming-60-000-visitors-expected-arrive-year.html

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Sr. Viking...
    - Det var så lidt...

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @Terence Hill
    One link per comment only. Leave off the http if you want to put more than 1.

    Eventually people will learn...

    @Viking
    Actually, unconditional surrender is kind of rare historically speaking. The problem is more that the dispute is not settled at all, and diplomacy is just the continuation of war by other means. But even so, it's nice to see someone who wants to calm the situation rather than aggravate it.

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Voice

    Will someone please tell Terry Hill, that he can only have one link per post...
    I've told him previously, but he seems to think it has something to do with a battery on his computer...
    What a numpty....
    Just like all his fiction...he can never see what is actually in front of him....D'oh!
    Bet he also buys Slip-ons, because he can't tie his shoe laces...

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    ‘Falklands have a per capita GDP “ten times higher than Argentina”’
    http://en.mercopress.com/2014/11/04
    falklands-have-a-per-capita-gdp-ten-times-higher-than-argentina
    “That he can only have one link per post...I've told him previously”, Heres your chance to shine, where. Thanks DT.

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Where did I tell you...?
    Here...
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/04/malvinas-question-macri-should-surround-himself-of-prudent-skilful-advisors-says-ex-army-chief/comments#comment459188

    Am I shining Terry, am I dazzling you...?
    ...and look at your post above...blaming it on your battery...D'oh!

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    Well! Excuse me all to blazes, now you’ll know how much I really regard your opinion. But then again, you can probably imagine how boring it is reading diatribes founded on unsupported personal opinions. Petunias are not my favourite flower.

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    I do realise Terry...
    ...but I enjoy reading your posts despite that...

    Jan 18th, 2017 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • The Voice

    Question is, has Stink created a Viking alias as his only discourse is with his parrot?

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “Just like all his fiction..” Since, unlike you it’s not a commodity I trade in, it means none. So thanks for the endorsement. Your opinion must have sustaining evidence, otherwise, it would be an irrational statement.

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Viking

    My original comment was focused on the convenience for additional flights connecting the Falkland Islands to the world, including Argentina.
    I now feel induce by Conqueror to widen my scope. As a reader wrote, unconditional surrender isn’t the problem but other unsettled points of conflict are. You cannot compare the surrender of the Axis powers with the surrender signed in Stanley.
    Germany was a heap of rubbles, Japan had Hiroshima and Nagasaki wiped out. It would be insane to imagine Britain invading the continent or dropping an A bomb on Buenos Aires
    Respecting the difference in magnitude the Vietnam War ended without any unconditional surrender yet Vietnam and the USA are getting back on good terms, just takes time. You may add; but the USA isn´t claiming South Vietnam, Correct!
    General Menendez, refused to sign an unconditional surrender so General Jeremy Moore wisely crossed out the word “unconditional” so needless loss of life could stop without delay. In practice Moore´s gesture didn´t alter the outcome in any way. So much for “unconditional”.
    Regarding war dead. Only honor and respect. I like to remember the example of Cannock Chase German Military Cemetery in Great Britain, until recently administered by the CWCG. Please ignore insidious remarks no matter from whom they come.
    If some Argentine hooligans have paid their fare only to provoke Falkland Islanders, I´d say that is detestable and should not be generalized to the resto of us. Main problem is their lack of education.
    Perhaps combatants themselves are more prone to let bygones be bygones, meet again in peace in a true sense of comradeship as has happened more than once. Remember the conscript that returned to Falklands and gave back a blue pullover he´d “loaned” on a reconnaissance mission to a little farm house not so far from Stanley. Friends since then.
    It is true we´ve had Nazi friendly fascist governments, but it is also true that over 2500 Argentine young men and women volunteered for servi

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    @Viking
    There is a limit of 2000 characters on comments, it looks like yours got cut off.

    I agree it would be insane to imagine Britain invading the continent or dropping an A bomb on Buenos Aires, but just to warn you, there are a few people here who do like to imagine it. Unfortunately some people prefer to stir up bad feelings rather than work to overcome them, and it is too useful to both governments to have an external enemy around, for them to easily give it up.

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Viking

    Sorry I´ve made it too long, here goes the rest!!!
    It is true we´ve had Nazi friendly fascist governments, but it is also true that over 2500 Argentine young men and women volunteered for service during WW2, many never to return. Even though most of them were of British descent, the fact is they were Argentines by birth and locally honored as such.
    I believe in people’s right to self-determination. I admire our 1853 Constitution; some of its modifications are the result of demagoguery and short sightedness, including the Falklands statement. An obstacle only time can remove.
    Macri and co are doing their best to build bridges but are hindered by a yet majoritarian political opinion. I have faith that in the long term common sense will prevail. We won’t see it, but in the meantime let’s put our efforts in being friendly and bettering relations as much possible.
    Note for Chubut: Nu bliv det til lidt mære. Poul.

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Note for Copetonas...:
    Det blev, vist nok..., til en hel del mere...
    Mejor no discutir geopolítica global entre viejos vizcachas. ;-)
    By the way...Tillykke med den fornemme pris, forleden...

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Viking

    Think, I confess you keep me thinking who you might be. Having in mind your good Danish, not so common in Chubut, your anonymous days are counted. But dont worry my good friend, I´ll keep it to myself. Hav en god dag!

    Thank you Demon Tree for giving me the chance of completing my rather lengthy opinion.

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Voice

    Danish don't look too difficult...
    “Hav en god dag”
    Let me take a wild guess....;-)

    Jan 19th, 2017 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Sr. Viking...
    La Patagonia es grandota... y además, min svenska är inte så illa heller..., eller min norsk..., oder mein Deutsch... ;-)

    Mr. Voice...
    You're right...
    Vikingish ain't difficult for them Engrish...
    Guess why... ;-)

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    So like always when challenged to meet your burden of proof, you evade by engaging in sock-puppetry. I guess when you’re caught in a lie, sticking your head up your own ass is the only option left, since you’re unable to refute.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    So, voicey tinkle, got a count for those angels dancing on the head of that pin? That's every bit as important as debating whose flag just seems to, ya know, keep flying on the islands.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Viking
    No Problem.

    Your views sound very sensible, but do you think Macri will be in power long enough to build bridges? You said you support the extra flights, and obviously Macri and Malcorra are pushing for them, but do they need to be approved by the rest of the government in Argentina?

    @Voice
    I thought exactly the same thing. The Scandinavian languages are supposed to be some of the easiest to learn for English speakers, along with Dutch which is even more closely related.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    By the way...

    A little..., just surfaced story about that “Special Relationship” between them Anglo Yanks and them Anglo Engrish...:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4138454/CIA-s-secret-plan-Falklands-Argentina.html

    Chuckle ..., chuckle...

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Voice

    Mr Think...
    What I'm guessing..is there must be an awful lot of them “Engrish” that are pretty closely related to you...;-)))

    Marti...
    You are going to have to differentiate between myself and Mr. Think because I thought I already answered your question as to how many angels could dance on the head of a pin...
    It depends on whether you view Angels as a physical or spiritual entity...
    ...One or an infinite number is the answer...
    How many do you think can...?

    DemonTree...
    I had a Geordie friend that used to say...“that'll larn yer” to me, I used to laugh and say, “Don't you mean teach?”
    Years later I came across this website...
    http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/GeordieOrigins.html
    They are all Angles originally from Schlewig-Holstein bordering Denmark....
    What he was saying was Anglo Saxon “Laeran” which meant teach...“lære” in Danish...

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tarquin Fin

    Think,

    Well, that is exactly the kind of thing a leader of the Junta would fall for. In other words: “la camita”.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    So your unable to substantiate your claim that that I use fiction, which means your failure clearly reveals you as a liar.
    “Just surfaced story about that “Special Relationship”’ You still wetting your pants, even though you’ve been shown in the past, that government bureaucracies write contingency plans for every imaginable scenario.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. Voice...

    You say...:
    - ”What I'm guessing..is there must be an awful lot of them “Engrish” that are pretty closely related to you...;-)))“

    I say...:
    What an uncomfortable thought...;-(
    Luckily..., as I told an anglo poster in here some 6 years ago...:
    - ”British blood? Not a drop, lad.
    My lineage is untainted!
    But, conceivably, some osmotic contamination may have occurred to a few of my ancestors which primal activity during long periods of the last 12 centuries was the expeditive shattering of British skulls……..“
    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/01/18/brazilian-president-dilma-rousseff-will-reanalyze-offers-to-buy-jets/comments#comment33129

    - Today..., paraphasing some words rom the above article..., I should add that some contamination may also have occurred to quite a few of my weaker ancestors due to the ”devious games and hidden objectives” of those Picto-Celtic-Gallic-Roman feminine ging furies that inhabited Britaniae at the time... ;-)

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Voice

    For goodness sake Terry...what is it about Canadians that they struggle to understand English...?
    You didn't challange me to prove anything, you merely thanked me...

    “Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “Just like all his fiction..” Since, unlike you it’s not a commodity I trade in, it means none. So thanks for the endorsement. Your opinion must have sustaining evidence, otherwise, it would be an irrational statement.”

    btw...How is the battery on your computer, is it still allowing you only one link...?
    Imagine going to a computer repair shop and asking them to replace the battery because it only allows one link to a URL....;-)
    Terry...you are an idiot...do you want me to prove that...?
    No need, I think you already have...

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    Interesting. I suppose the Anglo-Saxon Laeran did become learn, and teach aquired it's current meaning later. Is lære used for both teach and learn in Danish?

    The other thing I know about Geordie dialect is that they say 'youse' for plural you, a distinction that standard English currently lacks. I don't know why we don't all adopt it really.

    @Think
    Untainted? How charming, you sound like one of those pure-blood wizards from the Harry Potter books. What's so wrong with Picto-Celtic-Gallic-Roman ginger furies anyway?

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree

    Who said anything about something being “Wrong” with them Picto-Celtic-Gallic-Roman ginger furies...?

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    People don't usually say they've been contaminated unless they are talking about something bad. Same with the 'untainted lineage'.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “How is the battery on your computer” Fading fast, as I have to make frequent restarts, with a dialogue box that tells me too run Disk Utility. Which when run says everything is okay. You still have failed to meet your burden of proof. No surprise, as you never have before. As all your proffers are simply personal sophisms from multiple sock-puppets.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    “People” should learn the meaning of a “winky smiley/face”...
    http://www.mycitybynight.co.za/the-winky-face/
    Like the ones at my comment...
    Don't you “Think”...?

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Before replacing the battery...(in case it's not the battery)
    Back everything up and wipe the disk there will be an option for that, then reinstall the operating system...also you can reinstall the operating system without formatting the disk...
    If you don't have the original disks for the operating system you can buy one on ebay cheap...sometimes loaded on a USB stick...

    DemonTree
    “Is lære used for both teach and learn in Danish?”
    That's one for Mr. Think... I typed teach in Translate and got that...almost the same in Swedish and Norwegian...

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Juppppp...
    A teacher teaches the pupils to learn = En lærer lærer eleverne at lære..

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    Sorry, I didn't notice it, plus I read your linked comment first which didn't have one. Still seems pretty tasteless though.

    And so learn and teach ARE the same word in Danish. (Also that phrase sounds like a tongue twister.) According to etymologyonline, in old English læran which became learn was used for both, and tæcan which became teach meant “show, declare, warn, persuade”. I guess the meaning shifted over time, but Northumberland stuck with the old usage.

    Does teach have a cognate in any of the Scandinavian languages, with one of the original meanings?

    @Terence Hill
    Sounds more like a problem with the hard disk or the operating system than the battery. Don't try and faff around with backups yourself, get an expert to take a look at it.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Mr. DemonTree...

    You say...:
    “Sorry, ........................ ....... I read your linked comment first which didn't have one.”

    I say...:
    My linked comment didn't mention no “Picto-Celtic-Gallic-Roman ginger furies”..., did it?
    Anyhow... apologies acepted...

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No it didn't, but since I read it first it affected my impression of the rest.

    No ideas about cognates? I'd google, but searching for 'learn' or 'teach' together with any language will give me way too many irrelevant results.

    Jan 20th, 2017 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree
    Different people and language...Old English combined Angle words and Saxon words...
    The North East were Angles and (Danish) Vikings...the South... Saxons...

    ”Old English tǣcan; related to tācen token, Old Frisian tēken, Old Saxon tēkan, Old High German zeihhan, Old Norse teikn sign...
    So maybe the common etymological origin for teach is not to be found in Danish...but Saxon...

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    I keep a copy of two backups. If its not the PRAM battery, then I have a hardware failure starting up. So far none of the maintenance programs indicate any thing amiss.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    There is nothing to lose by reinstalling the operating system, it's one of the processes of elimination...
    If you sometimes have a startup failure it could be a bad area of the hard disk that the operating system is written in...
    Formating will mark the area so it's not used and reinstalling will put the operating system on a good area...it's worth a try...

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeeeeeee...., lads.

    Are there really still peope out here.... having bad sectors in their hard drives,.. operating systems on floppy disks and dead motherboard batteries In this era of 1Tb SD cards, online downlads and android nougat phablets...?

    Guess they also still listen to short wave radio and record their music on reel to reel recorders...;-)

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    I was always told the Angles and Saxons (and Jutes) were basically the same people and spoke essentially the same language, which became Old English. And obviously Danish didn't exist at the time, it came from Old Norse, but all those languages were related.

    Anyway I think I found the word in Danish: 'tegn' meaning token or character. I would never have noticed any similarity to 'teach', and the meaning is completely different too. It's funny how one word can change so much and another remain so similar.

    @Think
    Not everyone can afford to get the latest everything, and some people don't see the point of upgrading if the old technology still fulfils their needs.

    But I think Voice mean CDs or DVDs when he said operating system on disks. I haven't seen a floppy drive in years and years.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    You say...
    “some people don't see the point of upgrading if the old technology still fulfils their needs...”

    I say...:
    ...Needs that..., evidently..., ain't being fulfilled in the case of above's Canadian Turnip Terence Hill...

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    I'm very happy with my Mac, planning on my fifth purchase soon. Not that I believe that it's the bee's knees, but its one that I am most familiar with. Don't forget to keep taking your vegetables, since there's no meat to your assertions.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    The Mac is no different from any other PC...it doesn't matter what age it is, it can still suffer from a bad or corrupt area on the hard disk especially where the operating system lies...reinstalling will write it on a different area as that area can not be repaired or marked as bad while the operating system is sat there...
    With Macs the software is free to download if lost or corrupt...
    An alternative is to get an external plug in hard drive and put the operating system on it and use the original just for storage no need to get a new computer...

    See the thanks I get for giving sound advice...
    I've been building computers since the 8086 chip...
    So wallow in your ignorance numpty...and piss off...

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “I’ve been building computers since the 8086 chip…” Well bully for you, and reading only recently apparently, as you missed my response. “I keep copies of two backups” “So wallow in your ignorance numpty” Oh! How you wish that were true. But, be careful what you wish for, for conversely, what would that make you?

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    It's rather clear that voicey is still stuck on Windows ME.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Bozo above I only use Macs now and the OS is Yosemite...
    Bozo above that Bozo...I thought you used a Mac...
    Copies of two back ups...ever heard of Time Machine...look in your applications folder...it backs up constantly....D'oh!
    Anyway the drivel of other peoples opinions that you keep quoting is hardly worth keeping...you don't need any back ups...or are you trying to keep your Train Spotting collection...

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “Ever heard of Time Machine.” I certainly have Ollie, but my personal preference is SuperDuper. “Is hardly worth keeping…” You’re too modest I enjoy visiting former forays, where I have delivered you your ‘just desserts’. Incidentally, I see that you’ve lost track of your ‘sock-puppetry’ and now are answering for Think.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viking

    @Demon, I can´t tell how long Macri will be president, his legal limit is four plus a second four year term, if he wins the 2019 presidential election. Believe his chances are good, had Cristina won Argentina would have gone deep down the gutter, Venezuelan way.
    He is quiet good at appeasing the opposition; only way a minority government can succeed. This means some of his projects have to progress in low gear, there amongst some matters related to the Falkland Islands, including new air links. Even so, it´s solely an executive decision involving Great Britain, FIG and Argentina.
    It must be taken in mind that since first grade we are taught that the Falkland Islands are ours and were illegally occupied by Britain. Consequently we have seen, especially since 1982, that it’s politically unwise to oppose this posture. Even so I can say I’ve come across many Argentines that share my view but are somewhat reticent in making it public.
    It is of utmost importance to get the UN Decolonization Committee to fulfill its mandate regarding Self-Determination. I know that the composition of C24 makes this difficult but; it’s essential in making your case on the sovereignty issue. No doubt would help budge public opinion not only in Argentina but also in the rest of South America.
    Now for English, Danish and others. I´m impressed by the erudition shown by fellow readers regarding the origins of the English language.
    In support of the Danish influence, I would add the story of Saint Clements Danes Church. Built during the ninth century by Danes settled in the village of Aldwych, outside the city walls of London, dedicated to St Clement, patron saint of mariners. Endured early massacres, the blitz and the pass of time. Today official church of the Royal Air Force and it could be said; patron saint of airmen.
    Have en god lørdag!

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Sr. Viking..., my dear compadre...

    You have already made abundantly clear your Pro British stand about the Malvinas/Falklands sovereignty issue and the rights of their current British inhabitants...

    Just to clarify... Do you hold the same pro British position on the issue of the South Pacific, South Atlantic and Antarctic territories claimed by Chile and Argentina respectively...?

    God weekend til dem også...
    El Think...

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “Ever heard of Time Machine.” I certainly have Ollie, but my personal preference is SuperDuper. “Is hardly worth keeping…” You’re too modest I enjoy visiting former forays, where I have delivered you your ‘just desserts’. Incidentally, I see that you’ve lost track of your ‘sock-puppetry’ and now are answering for Think.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    If you are not directing a post to me...don't begin it with Voice, otherwise not surprisingly I might think it was directed at me...D'oh!...
    It appears you have lost track of your memory...again..and posted the same post twice...

    It's fairly obvious that you copy and keep all your posts...
    No wonder you have two back up copies...
    Weirdo....

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ;-)))

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Viking
    I didn't think Macri was very popular right now, what with the continuing recession and high inflation? I suppose he still has time to change things before the next election though, if he can.

    What do you learn about the islands in school anyway? Is it taught in history or geography lessons or something else?

    As for English and Danish, there was certainly a lot of influence on Old English from Old Norse during the Danelaw. There's hundreds of borrowed words, including my own surname, and it also influenced the grammar significantly. Since the two languages were pretty similar back then it was easy to borrow from one to the other.

    @Think
    Those Antarctic territories aren't really claimed by Chine and Argentina respectively. Quite a big chunk is actually claimed by both, yet you never seem to have a problem with Chile's conflicting claim.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    The Britons were here before the English or Danes,
    CELTS they say, Germanic tribes,

    But what the hell, we all originate out of the African continent,

    But as for --Falklands under no pressure
    I say, remember this,
    Argentina is distend to steal you, by hook or cranny,
    Don't trust them or you may regret it,

    As for some British politicians, they would sell their own grandmother, so selling you falklanders would not stop them,

    just my humble thought for the day.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viking

    @Think. Kære Hr. Stemme:
    I feel honored by your interest in my personal opinions.
    I would rather call it a pro common sense stand. You cannot change world boundaries back to what they were a century or two ago. The Falkland Islands could have been inhabited by Dutch, French or Argentine descendants and my opinion would have been the same, let the inhabitants decide. Though scarcely populated, I consider my reasoning valid for the Sandwich Islands and South Georgia. The Norwegians could have had something to say but apparently did not.
    I could feel tempted to push the Danish- German border down to the Kiel Canal where it was before the Prussian invasion of 1874. But that would not be realistic. The dispute was ended by the 1920 referendum following the Versailles treaty, Denmark regaining circa 70% of her lost territory, leaving the southernmost part and Kiel to the Germans. A good example in civilized self-determination.
    Regarding Antarctica I´d leave things as they are, that is respecting the Treaty System in force. Overlapping claims lead nowhere, a futile exercise.
    As to the South Pacific… I would love to visit Tahiti but confess my total ignorance of any ongoing dispute in that part of the world.
    God weekend også til dig… (”dem” sounds a bit old fashioned, maybe a little hint!)
    @Demon, give Macri a chance… inflation and recession are letting up. The December midterm elections will be crucial. As to school, quiet simple, not much more than the “Malvinas” are ours.
    @Briton… Well, well I hope us none robbers can prevail even though we have earned a bad reputation. If what you say is true, I´d hate to be the grandmother of some British politician!
    Have a good weekend!

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “It appears you have lost track” I was just catching up with myself. Unlike you who is always beside himself.
    “I might think it was directed at me.” It was and was inclusive of all of your sock puppets. You answered and have just revealed the truth of your deceptive behaviour.
    “Weirdo….” I guess anyone who isn’t as amoral and as dishonest you would be difficult to comprehend.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Viking

    @ Think... sorry a lapsus... not Hr. Stemme but Hr. Tænke... please forgive me compadre!

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Sr. Viking...

    You say...:
    “You cannot change world boundaries back to what they were a century or two ago.”
    I say...:
    No..., one cannot change world boundaries back to what they were a century or two ago...
    But boundaries certainly do change forwards...
    Just have a look at a 1817 World Map...
    Or a 1917 World Map...
    Catch my drift...?

    And please... don't compare neighbouring Countries border disputes to the clear and archaic British Colonial ambition in the Southern Hemisphere...
    Det svarer til at sammenligne æbler og pærer...
    O trigo con cebada pá ser más claro...

    Servus
    El Think

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    “Don't compare neighbouring Countries border disputes to the clear and archaic British Colonial ambition in the Southern Hemisphere…” Exactly identical to Spain’s and Argentina’s. Who other than attempt of force had no claim under international law. They were in fact barred under the Spanish-Anglo treaty obligations from any claim. Since the Islanders and the UK have for filled their obligations under international law. Their Self-Determination is jus cogens international law.

    Jan 21st, 2017 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Kanye

    Mr. Terry

    “Incidentally, I see that you’ve lost track of your ‘sock-puppetry’ and now are answering for Think.”

    LOL, you caught him. It's not the first time I'm sure, as the puppets have the same geo-political stance regardless of where they claim to be posting from.

    Poor snarky Mr. Think/voice.

    Jan 22nd, 2017 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    Yay...I was caught replying to a post that began “Voice”....
    You got me fair and square Guv...
    Devilish tactics using my name to catch me...well done...;-))))))

    Jan 22nd, 2017 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    The unitary voicey/tinkle has been rather obvious for a while. But we're only here for the entertainment value.

    Jan 22nd, 2017 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Voice

    Is it the ellipses...

    Shall I do my Marti impression...?

    Chile is a dump, Argentina is a shithole, Brazil is a corrupt Banana Republic, Latinos are lying thieves etc.

    Pretty good huh..?

    Jan 22nd, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    :-))))))))))))))))))))

    Jan 22nd, 2017 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    @tinkle voice

    Such a succinct expression of envy for those enjoying the benefits of true insight and experience .

    Jan 22nd, 2017 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +3

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