When Donald J Trump called some Mexican immigrants rapists, threatened to deport millions of them and promised to build a wall to keep others out, Mexican officials counseled caution, saying it was merely bluster from an unlikely candidate who, if elected, would never follow through. However with only five days in office president Trump is making Mexicans furious. Read full article
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Mexico should engage with the US. Refusing to meet and discuss is a recipe for disaster.Jan 26th, 2017 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1
Trump has all the traits associated with caudillismo - very familiar to anyone from SA! Should get on well with Mad Uro :-)Jan 26th, 2017 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +1
Is the USA a republic or is it an empire? Just checking because all I see so far is one guy getting scrolls to sign and then having them unfolded for the subjects to see.Jan 26th, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
Apparently that old rich guy's club called the Senate is fine to have been totally vanished from the news or the process.
Well, how history repeats itself.... SPQR... hmmm, SPQA.
Better watch out, fidelito, Trump's scrolls just might say that Argentina is really on Florida's continental shelf and all its population is implanted.Jan 26th, 2017 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
Peña Nieto should grow up and realize that Mexico is the problem, not enforcement of the law by Trump. If his country were not such a disaster, half the population wouldn't have fled to the United States. If he really cared about his citizens, he would be glad to see them home.Jan 26th, 2017 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
With so many Mexicans and other Latinos being excluded from entering the USA or possibly being deported the question that comes to mind is : Who will do all the menial work that these folks are willing to do? Very much doubt that a true blue American will bow down to being dish-washers, hotel maids, sewer cleaners, etc. No disrespect ment with regards those folks who willing to do these jobs, but just possing question, to which I have no answer. Perhaps other may do so??!! Suggest a similar situation will arise in the UK once they complete BREXIT, except that the nationalities shld be changed to Poles, Albanians, Estonians, Russian etc. Pleased to hear!!Jan 26th, 2017 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
Marti Llazo,Jan 26th, 2017 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
No one cares here.
@LittleJJan 26th, 2017 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
Mexican workers that formerly came to the US to work at the McDonalds will be replaced by highly literate and cultured Belarusians. The Taco Bell franchises will be replaced by Kolduny Kolokol.
It will be wondrous and glorious age. Is making America Velikiy Again, Tovarich.
MLJan 26th, 2017 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
Argentina is marginalized anyway.
Funny how Fidel Nostrils says Arg. should be isolationist, then says he doesn't care that the US might take a negative view of Latinos and LATAM countries, yet he follows these stories closely and comments on them.
Standby for cries of racism, unfairness, favouritism, conspiracy etc. etc. etc.
I like watching accidents, just like everyone else! That's why I follow. And Trump and Brexit are the best accidents in quite a long time. And couldn't have happened to nicer people.Jan 26th, 2017 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
Whether Argentina is marginalized or not, it is irrelevant since we don't care.
The US might take a negative view on Latinos? What is your source and proof for that claim? What is a Latino anyway, is it analogous to an Anglo? (which you claim does not exist... if so, how can the other exist then?). How do you make sense of that.
They did a local survey in November after Trump won asking young people what to they know about Donald Trump... 3 of the 20 respondents said they knew always was fighting with Mickey Mouse. and 9 of 20 never even heard of him. The others were mainly curious and a few voiced concerns.
Really, its not that important for us down here, but fun to watch.
Social advancement Yankee style...Jan 26th, 2017 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
88 years ago...:
20 Feb. 1929 El Paso, Texas.
26 Jan. 2017 El Paso, Texas.
The Mexican government will eventually have to negotiate with Trump, when they get over their fit of pique, and grandstanding for their public -- they have no choice.Jan 26th, 2017 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
New title for the above article...Jan 26th, 2017 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
Mexicans furious with Trump; president Peña Nieto drops White House visit...
Good move, Mejico...
One less Mexican in the US. Who is going to cut the lawn?Jan 26th, 2017 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
Trump said the meeting would be fruitless if Mexico didn't treat the US with respect and pay for the wall, so Peña Nieto cancelled it. That's some interesting projection, though; Trump certainly has no respect for Mexico.Jan 26th, 2017 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
Mexico isn't a disaster, it's a mid-level economy that's been growing fairly steadily. The number of Mexican immigrants in the US has actually fallen since 2008 as people headed home after the financial crisis.
I heard Trump had a scheme to bus unemployed people in from Detroit to do these jobs. That should be interesting to watch anyway.
@marti lazoJan 26th, 2017 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
Don't understand what Argentina has to do with all these issues between Mexico and the U.S.A. if u look at a world map you will see that that Argentina is fairly far from Mexico and has no boarders with the U.S.A.
Little JJan 26th, 2017 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
You're right. You don't understand. It's a joke. Since I've lived in both Argentina and Mexico I am fairly familiar with how long it takes to walk from one to the other.
I'm guessing you're from the US. If you'd been following some of Argentina's preposterous clown-claims you'd see that it thinks that territory long belonging to others is really Argentine because there is some continental shelf connection. It's kinda like islands like Cuba belonging to Florida or Isla San Andrés belonging to Nicaragua because it's on their respective continental shelf.
By the way, the word you probably meant is borders and not boarders. I'm still guessing you're American and your public school teachers were all Democrats. Just a hunch, though. Tell me if I'm close.
Geeeeeeee...Jan 26th, 2017 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
Mr. Drumpf has just announced that he wants a 20% tax on imports from Mexico to pay for The Wall...
Mr. Drumpf ommited though to announce that such a 20% tax on imports from Mexico to pay for The Wall..., will be paid by American consumers..., not by Mejico...
What a Turnip...!
Tinkle is quite like DT in that neither of them have the most fundamental understanding of taxation theory and policy.Jan 26th, 2017 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
Let's try this one more time, and speaking more slowly: taxation policies are only partly for the purpose of deriving revenue, but are also intended to encourage or discourage specific types of economic or social activity. In the example used earlier we observed that a government might place a US$200 tax on owning a machinegun, but exempt textbooks from the payment of sales tax. I recognise that the significance of this example may be difficult for those two to comprehend.
For someone like tinkle who imagines himself so very clever, it's rather fascinating how such a degree of his remarkably expansive ignorance would be laid out for all to enjoy.
TWIMCJan 26th, 2017 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
The 20% tax on an imported machinegun assembled in Mejico..., the 20% tax on an imported bag of Doritos fried in Mejico... or the 20% tax on an imported textbook printed in Mejico will be paid exclusively by the American consumer..., not me Mejican cuates...
How odd. Martillazo has no problem at all understanding that consumers in Argentina are paying for the import tariffs levied on consumer electronics there. Perhaps he thinks economics follows different rules north of the equator?Jan 26th, 2017 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Also, applying a 20% tariff just to Mexico's products is against WTO rules. I don't suppose they have any way to enforce this, but if the US doesn't follow the rules there is no reason for other countries to continue to do so.
Silly Think/voice;Jan 26th, 2017 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
Trump is still putting the screws to Mexico.
When the US consumer rejects a 20% price increase, what do you think will happen?
There are other nations clamouring for US business.
US subsidiary companies in Mexico, and Mexican companies, will be forced to cut their costs to bring their prices inline, to offset their dwindling exports to the US.
That means less Mexican employees, lower wages, and less taxes for the Mexican government.
Unless the Mexicans want to talk a deal.
Meanwhile, Trump will use his 20% Tariff charge with Mexico as an example to other nations. He'll play them off against each other.
Not that I'm a Trump supporter, of course.
@KanyeJan 26th, 2017 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
So it's goodbye 'Team America: World Police', and hello 'America First:International Bully'?
What will happen is that people in both countries will suffer, Mexico will probably retaliate by taxing American products, and other countries will not trust the US to deal fairly with them. Anyone who exports to the US should probably start looking for alternative markets right now.
++ for Mr. DemonTree...Jan 26th, 2017 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
Ms. ElaineBJan 27th, 2017 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse +1
Isn't that what I said?
What did I say that did not make sense?
There may be half-hearted economic retaliation, but the US is still a large, wealthy consumer market. Nations will compete to do business with them and be forced to meet their product standards, just as they all do today.
The difference is that the price point might get ground down even further.
Surely you must agree that Fidel Nostril's naive proposal for Mexico to join with Canada and partner up with a China First trading partner, is not likely preferable?
Kanye,Jan 27th, 2017 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
That's Demon Tree, not ElaineB.
@Marti Llazo,Jan 27th, 2017 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Firstly mnay thanks for correcting the spelling. You are correct in sayng it should be border and not boarder. As for the rest of your assumptions you are so far out that I'd prefer to keep my ancestry and origins to myself as it's quite complex. However just for the record I'm not a US citizen, I was not educated in the U.S. I have never lived in the U.S. although I must admit I've visited that country at least 25 times over many many (have repeated many on purpose) years for business and pleasure. Let's just say that I live many (repeat many) miles from the U.S.A, but still have a great respect for that country............despite it's current political situation.................
@DT ...consumers in Argentina are paying for the import tariffs levied on consumer electronics there...Jan 27th, 2017 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse +3
You missed the point again, as with your every other failure to understand the fundamentals of economics and taxation.
There is a combination of high prices and high taxation in Argentina for many consumer goods. For the past year Argentina consumers have been voting with their feet and filling the shoppings in Chile where both the prices and the IVA (VAT to you) are lower for many items. Argentines are waiting up to 10 hours to cross the frontier into Chile at Las Libertadores, to make purchases in Chile (with similar impacts at other frontiers, including Monte Aymond, down here). For some products here you can fly from Bs As to Miami, do your shopping there, and still come out ahead when you return. Likewise, online international purchases have increased here in response to the excessive pricing resulting in part from the abusive IVA and just stupidly high retail prices in Argentina. Why are these phenomena so hard to understand?
But then, tinkle isn't any more clever, in failing to understand how higher tariffs on imported items would result in at least two likely textbook outcomes desired by the new US government. The higher proposed tariffs would act as protectionist measures and have the effect of encouraging greater domestic production, which is of course part of the new government's platform. In the second case, in order to compete with domestic production, foreign -- including Mexican -- suppliers would have to reduce their prices so that net costs to consumers would be competitive. That would create a situation in which little net change in consumer cost would result, the effect of the additional tax on foreign sourcing would be unperceived by consumers since prices stay the same, and the government receives at least some of the revenue it sought.
Anglo Turnip just above...Jan 27th, 2017 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse -6
You are confirming, again and again, my point...:
The Drumpfian Wall will be paid with American consumers money..., not by me cuates in Mejico...
Mr. Drumpf is just ommitting that inconvenent truth...
Stink Turnip still doesn't get it.Jan 27th, 2017 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse +2
Communism failed, Buddy.
Macroeconomics not your long suit.
I think Marti Llazo just tried to argue that all of us are interpreting his words wrong, his surreal argument that the exact same policy on consumer goods in two countries would have two different results, I guess because in one his hated foe CFK implemented them, in the other because is idol Trump will. That's how daft he is.Jan 27th, 2017 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
And then he insists it is all of us who are the morons, the idiots, berates some poster for typing boarders, etc. Notwithstanding that in most cases the numerical odds favor 4 or 5 people being right and the one person claiming everyone else to be wrong, to be in fact himself wrong, he has already chided me for my poor English. For the record, I just type on the fly, on the phone while doing other more important matters, I do not proofread for spelling or syntax just content. But that is not the point, the point is only a frustrated noob with no achievements would nitpick on silly mistakes. He cannot even speak Spanish, as a typical Anglo monolingual, and he is dressing down the intellect of those who do speak other languages, unlike him.
Issues, issues. :)
@MLJan 27th, 2017 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse -1
Naturally I understand that protectionist tariffs are supposed to encourage the development of domestic industry. That is why CFK introduced them, after all. And they worked; jobs were created in TdF. And the consumers in Argentina are paying for it all.
I am also very familiar with your opinion on the effects of this protectionism: uncompetitive industries with low standards and poor productivity. Are you going to come up with some excuse for why this won't apply in the US, or will you just keep repeating 'you don't understaaaaand'?
I also note that foreign manufacturers did not cut their costs in order to compete in Argentina. The US is a much bigger market so there is more chance of it happening there, at least for some products. But there will still be a cost to the consumer.
Was that supposed to be addressed to me?
I was simply putting what you said into clearer terms. The US is trying to extort Mexico, and apparently you believe it will work. I think there will be some unpleasant consequences for the US as well as the rest of the world if they continue down this path.
I think Kanye was addressing you D.T.Jan 27th, 2017 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
TWIMCJan 27th, 2017 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse -3
Everything seems sooo easy for Anglos like Mr.Drumpf and Mrs.May be...
They just threaten/fantasize/dream to lower their corporate taxes to Singaporean levels (17%) and... hocus-pocus/abracadabra, their Anglosphere will be saved...
Allow this humble Patagonian dweller to disagree with that wishful thinking...
Trumps negotiating tactics are clear - bash them, soften them up then screw them. Remember, he's a builder. Nothing wrong with letting the tax dodging ex mayor of Luxembourg smell the coffee either.Jan 27th, 2017 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1
As for the false Patagonian stuff Stink, fess up turnip. Brook Street is where you lurk, everyone knows that. As for the horse shit… .
TWIMCJan 27th, 2017 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse -1
Drumpf's bash, soften and screw... huhhh?
Not bonnie lass Mollie of Blamedie..., though...!
@The VoiceJan 27th, 2017 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
As I said, extortion.
He must have been, you hadn't even posted in this thread. I was quite surprised to see your name.
To be fair to May, I don't think she's actually crazy, but she has rather limited options right now. And people losing confidence would be bad for the economy, so she has to tell them everything will be fine whether she believes it or not.
DT and Elaine,Jan 27th, 2017 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
My apologies, as pointed out by another poster, I was indeed addressing DT.
I DO believe Trump's tactics have the potential to work, but there will certainly be uncomfortable repercussions of some kind.
He is attempting to force Mexico to come to the table, but it looks like Trump was taken by surprise when Mexico said no.
When asked how Mexico will pay for the Wall, Trumps WH said he would slap that 20% tax on Mexican goods.
Not really well thought out perhaps, but Mexico will have to deal with it somehow. Better to talk to Trump and find out exactly what he has in mind.
Trump is moving too fast, without careful thought.
Already this morning, Trump is waffling on the 20% tax, saying 5-20%is possible, as well as a buffet of other options.
A hurried WH Press Release misspelled Theresa May's name, and was quickly retracted and corrected.
Apparently theres panic in Georgetown at the prospect of the Avacado supply being cut off. And Mr McHenry is in a tiz too. Could result in Guacamole being taken off the menu and all the Chipotles closing down!Jan 27th, 2017 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
These are the self-proclaimed leaders of the world, May and Trump?Jan 27th, 2017 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
One government more clown than the other. Amateur governments the world over are insulted to be compared to these two. I mean talk about not being on the same page and basically all over the place. The UK gov ever since Brexit make 2nd graders lining up for candy seem more organized in strategy. And Trump's gov has said and retracted so many things, been all over the place diplomatically, the Mexican foreign diplomacy right now is looking like geniuses compared to the utter dysfunction north of the border... yes, dysfunction NORTH of the border.
Yes, May, you and your new lover Trump can be leaders of the world again. You are leading in absolutely NO ONE following either of you anywhere! hahahaha.
@KanyeJan 27th, 2017 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Is Trump just making it up as he goes along? The news from the WH seems to change every hour, and different people keep saying different things.
But I think if Trump wants to get any concessions out of Mexico he needs to give them a way to back down gracefully. He appears to be aiming for exactly the opposite, forcing Peña to refuse any compromise as it would mean losing face.
I guess Mexico is dealing with it though as they had a call today.
And it's good to know the new 'special relationship' is so important to the WH. :/