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Falklands: Argentine lawmakers propose two “spaces of confidence” one with UK, the other with Islanders
Argentine lawmakers visiting the UK proposed “generating a space of confidence between Argentina and the UK, and between Argentina and the Islanders, so that in the future a good faith discussion” on the Malvinas Islands sovereignty can be addressed. Likewise additional flights to the Falklands must at some point call in Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt is ok for Argentina to discriminate but not the FALKLANDS, total hypocrites,
Feb 01st, 2017 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse +8These people are entitled to an opinion but NO MORE! They have no legal status insofar as the Falklands archipelago is concerned and any legislation concerning this territory enacted in Argentina is NOT valid and never will be! In spite of what that odd and weird individual, named Hepatia or Hepatitis, says.
Feb 01st, 2017 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse +10Federico Pinedo: “It bothers me that to go to the Malvinas, I get the
Feb 01st, 2017 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +7passport of the English”
The provisional president of the Senate went through Conversations and referred to the controversy over the joint statement between Argentina and Great Britain (La Nacion, 20 Sept 2016)
Members of the delegation said that the meeting on the Malvinas question was ”very amicable, and not only did we underline Argentina's rights...?
Ah they must mean that old usurpation and numerous UN resolutions chestnut.
Falklands: 1833 Usurpation & UN Resolutions:
https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions
“so that in the future a good faith discussion on the... Islands sovereignty can be addressed”.
Feb 01st, 2017 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse +6What is that supposed to mean? No doubt by “good faith discussion” the Argentines mean 'hand them over' - nothing more, nothing less.
On these threads I have often asked any Argentine posters what Argentina would bring to these discussions - I've never had any sort of answer other than mealy-mouthed comments like “I can't speak for the Argentine Government”.
On another site one Argentine said that Argentina 'might' be prepared to allow the UK to retain sovereignty over South Georgia!!! but that's it.
That is not a discussion it's a diktat.
This is another old policy long dispatched to the bin. The Falklands is an integral party of any relationship and any discussions between the UK and Argentina. They cannot be separated out so that they can be all matey on the one hand and kick the crap out of us on the other.
Feb 01st, 2017 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse +7Back to reality boys and girls.
Argies, a nation of car salesmen ...... the sweeter the smell, the nastier they'll turn out to be. Remember, Argentina's creed is “viveza criolla”
Feb 01st, 2017 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Down with Argie thieves, down with corrupt politicians
Feb 01st, 2017 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +3and down with anti brits on here.
TWIMC
Feb 01st, 2017 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -10Article says...“
”(Minister Alan) Duncan was most emphatic that the vandalizing of the Darwin cemetery is being closely investigated and followed, which is very positive“.
I say...:
Ya two Kelper lads that did the deed...
Them Engrish coppers in Malvnas are under hard press from London to get you...
Your best chance is to come out in the open and tell the truth...
That you didt to preserve the Islands way of life and its code of honour...
After that..., you surely will be democratically elected as MLA's for the FIG(leaf)...
Mr. Roger Lorton...
Engrish expert in all things Argentinean...
Except that he has never been to Agentina...
Except that he doesn't know no Argentineans...
Except that he doesn't speak the language nor knows anything first hand about Argentina...
A true Engish expert..., indeed...
How about no.
Feb 01st, 2017 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +6The islanders have the final say thry live there after all.
They are insisting that any flights must also stop in Argentina? Why? How dare they, what on earth has it got to do with Argentina?
Feb 01st, 2017 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +6DoubleThink! As for the damage to the cemetary - what about the thousands of mines laid by your countrymen Think? Compare that!You do specialise in utter hyperbole and drivel.
The message is the islanders clearly don't want anything to do with their thieving and aggressive neighbour.
Think
Feb 01st, 2017 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Those graves wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the monumental stupidity of Argentina.
Those graves would've been left to rot and decay if not for the monumental generosity of the Falkland Islanders.
As for this actual article...well sovereignty of the Falklands and other British South Atlantic territories is NOT up for discussion, negotiation or petulant Argentine 'demands'.
Any deal the Government of the Falkland Islands makes with any airline is between them and that airline. No flight 'has' to land in Argentina, and IMO they shouldn't bother going anywhere near Argentina, and the existing flight should drop it from their itinerary.
Then the next time foul mouthed Argentine bullies and nationalists want to come and desecrate the sacred Falkland Islands they can pay to fly from Argentina to a second country, and they reconnect to a flight to the Falklands.
That should actually keep the dross out completely, because they'd never be able to afford to travel there.
It would be a win-win solution.
Wouldn't a cone of silence be more appropriate than a space of confidence? ;-)
Feb 01st, 2017 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The simplest response to this would be to quietly deploy a couple more typhoons, more Rapier and Starstreak SAM systems, some more RAF Chinooks and Pumas, and Navy Merlins to the Islands whilst still actively engaging the Argentines in positive diplomacy, and then telling them that sovereignty is off the table. If they react by continuing to ask for sovereignty negotiations, then let info on the extra military assets then leak out to the press and sit back ans let them react as they see fit.
Feb 01st, 2017 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@libra “....quietly deploy a couple more typhoons....”
Feb 01st, 2017 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I would think that another half dozen calibre .177 air-rifles sent to the islands would have the Pink House begging for mercy, and quickly requesting the protection that was offered earlier by the mighty Bolivian navy.
The thing is, if you mention sovereignty in any manner the argies lose all anal-sphincter control and then someone has to tidy them up.
I think the islanders should say where the bloody planes fly from , land on , and where they go,
Feb 01st, 2017 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina just wants another reason to steal them,
I say no no and no again.
The RAF can surely do it for a small contribution,
just a flying thought.
It pains me that Argentina wants to “talk”, talking never got anyone anywhere with the english
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse -7Must be the luck of the argie, Lukey, the civilised nations get along just fine when talking with the British.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse +6Think - I do know car salesmen however.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I say...:
Ya two Argie lads that did the deed...
Them Falkland coppers in the British BOT are going get you...
Your best chance is to come out in the open and tell the truth...
That you did it to cause trouble for Macri's plans ...
After that..., you surely will be democratically elected as Congressmen for BA (Bullshit Argentina)
Are the Islanders not Falklands British? Does Pinedo think argieland can have one (fawning) discussion with Britain and a different (threatening) one with the Islanders? Here's a clue, Pinedo. Your predecessors misjudged. They thought that the possible withdrawal of HMS Endurance meant that Britain was no longer interested. And then the RAF Vulcans and the Task Force arrived. Even then, and in the face of UN Security Council condemnation, they wouldn't do the 'sensible' thing. In 1982, there were just two Naval Parties, 80 Royal Marines, on the Islands because they were in the process of changing the Governor's honour guard. Now there's a complement of RAF aircraft and personnel, 1200 ground troops and two naval warships that we're admitting to. Who can tell what lurks beneath the waves? Be very, very careful, argies and very, very honest. The sovereignty of the Islands was settled 35 years ago. We haven't forgotten. Nor will we ever.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse +5@Conqueror “......80 Royal Marines....”
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Today, that would be a force quite sufficient to decisively defeat the entirety of Argentina's debilitated military and still not miss any hot meals.
In answer to your “ Deflection ” Twinkle. Why on earth would a FALKLANDER desecrate the so called virgin? I think it was an Argie who did it, so in that case Argentina ought to send the investigators who are looking into the Nisman “ Murder or suicide”, which they haven't decided on yet to look into the minor misdeanor by some buffoon. How long has it been? Died a death hasn,t it? We won't hold our breath.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“ so that in the future a good faith discussion” on the Malvinas Islands sovereignty can be addressed. ”
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The sooner the better, so that the Islanders can roll out the relevant details pertaining to the history and UN charter, the UN defeat of the Argentine and Spanish 'self determination not applying to areas with territorial disputes' in 2008, and dismantle the Malvinas myth bit by bit.
This discussion needs to take place but Argentina aren't going to like the fact their myth is bogus, (i.e. the lies about implanted population, lies about all settlers kicked off in 1833, lies about no British involvement around the Islands from 1774 to 1833, inheritance from Spain, etc).
“The historic position is that the flights must necessarily call in Argentina at some point and moment”
I guess if there is an economic reason for an airline to call in, they could call in at Argentina 'at some point and moment' but they will be disappointed if they are expecting a flood of Islanders disembarking into Argentina on the way back from the Islands to Brazil, Uruguay, etc, to study at Argentine Universities and to use all those 1000s of CT scanners.
But if airlines don't fly through Argentine airspace, no need for them to land in Argentina.
Sorry amigos, the 1970s communication agreement is as dead as 2065.
Move on.
”Duncan said he had told the Islanders that advancing on the flights issue must be gradual and respecting the situation and political position of Argentina“.
Really? Then' Senor 'Duncan isn't going to last long, if he's dictating this to the Islanders.
I understand there was a Governor of the FI, even in the 1970s, that was recalled for going behind the Islander's backs.
The political position of the Islanders is paramount, not Argentina's.
You know that the Argies are NOT going to sit round a table and discuss “ sovereignty ”with you. Discussions is a two way process, as yet I have not heard what Argentina has to offer you if anything.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I don't trust Duncan one bit,
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just my opinion.
C'mon, Mr. Lorton...
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Use you copper instinct...
You know it was them Kelpers...!
fidelito tells me it was the sophisticated extraterrestrials that done it
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Twinkle, hand over them Argie crims that sewed the Falklands with thousands of illegal landmines in contravention of the Geneva Convention and then we can take your protestations seriously.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hypocrite.
My old coppers instinct Think, says not.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Not that we are likely to find out. Here's how it will go. The local police will quickly establish the Where and the How. The When will be between two dates. The police will attempt to identify all the people likely to have visited the cemetery within that time-frame. The larger the time-frame the more Argentine 'tourists' will be included. All will need interviewing. Some will have left. Having achieved all that can be achieved on the Islands, the local police will send a list of Argentines to the BA police and ask that they be interviewed.
BA will not respond, leaving the Who and the Why unknown.
End of enquiry.
Unless there's a confession of course.
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Feb 02nd, 2017 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Mr. Lorton..
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse -3WHAT I meant was...:
Use your “old coppers instinct” WITHOUT them Engrish Colonial teinted glasses..., lad.
Can you do that?
Already done it Think - still looks more likely that an argie did it than an Islander.
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3Hepathetic - you are a dreamer! Dream on!
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse +1Roger, methinks the same, why on earth would a FALKLANDER desecrate the statue, what would be achieved? As you say more likely an Argie to bring back their unfounded “ dispute ” regarding the sovereignty of the FALKLANDS fresh in everyone's eyes. Shame really as I am sure the majority would condemn the act.
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse +2”He added that Duncan ”was most emphatic that the vandalizing of the Darwin cemetery is being closely investigated and followed, which is very positive“.
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1The FIG should get rid of all monuments that weren't put there when the cemetery was established. The Argentines are just using the cemetery to try and establish a a toehold onto the Islands.
All this contrived fuss over so called vandalism of a monument at the cemetery is not just precious but, given the terrible damage that Argentines have wreaked on the Islands, demonstrates appalling arrogance on the part of Argentina.
Forget the police investigations, tell them to take their monument and sod off!
Looks like toothless Argentina will remain toothless. The government has once again dropped their masquerading attempt to purchase new-ish fighter aircraft. This leaves their military with just one operational Sopwith Camel currently on display at the Venado Tuerto Children's Museum, two Polikarpov I-16 Moscas at the San Nabo Aerodrome, and one Airfix Nakajima B5N1 “Kate” 1:72.
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“Argentina drops fighter replacement plans......Argentina’s strenuous economic problems were cited as the cause....”
http://quwa.org/2017/02/03/argentina-drops-fighter-replacement-plans/
Argentina will continue to use its aircraft acquisitions budget to hype media events purporting to portend imminent purchase of new aircraft, in efforts to stroke the populacho; and to pay off pliable media outlets to avoid mention of inevitably prompt cancellation of the wholly farcical aircraft purchase charades.
I think,
Feb 03rd, 2017 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1it was the fault of Hepatias secret agents,
Apparently they are specially trained to cause havoc on the Falkland's
so they say..
Mr. Lorton...
Feb 04th, 2017 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse -3Well...
Seems that the Crays were right about one thing..., at least.
Think/voice
Feb 04th, 2017 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1Krays... not “Crays”.
Cripes...!
Feb 04th, 2017 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I spell as badly as they did...;-)
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Let the Argentine government pay for a CCTV camera to be installed near the cemetery.
Feb 04th, 2017 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I would be extremely surprised if a Falkland Islander has caused the damage, more likely an Argentine rent a mob.
If the police investigations prove it was an Argentine tourist inflicting the damage, a letter should be sent to the Argentine veterans association, identifying and shaming the person.
Then sit back and wait for the response as the 20 year old veterans strike.
“Argentina drops fighter replacement plans”
Once the next 'attempted' purchase takes place, cue the hysterical UK press panicking that the aircraft carriers aren't ready yet and that despite no airline allowing it's passengers to carry weapons in their hand luggage (presuming Lan Chile are no different), that the dogproof, RIC proof Argentine troops will sprint from the aircraft handling pan to the runway in 2 seconds, take out MPA's runway , 'just like that', and the Argentines will just waltz in unopposed.
It's the British presses' version of the Malvinas Myth.
Oh, and after the runway is taken out (forgetting that Stanley airport still exists) naturally 10-20 Argentine jet fighters will get past the Typhoons, Rapiers and Starstreaks, as easy as pie without getting hit.
@ Marti Llazo and Pete Bog
Feb 04th, 2017 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Agree with your sentiments, my only concern are the short-term appeasement inclined parts of the FCO (see how Gibraltar has been supported or not with its issues with Spain), and the financial hawks in the Treasury who may see this as an opportunity to slash the Islands defences under the guise of Argentina has no functional navy or air force. I worry the MoD will have to fight very hard to keep the Typhoons on the Island in the long term so histrionics by elements of the UK Press in this context is no bad thing when considering the broader picture and how it will influence decisions made by ministers to do the right thing.
The only way for the military to leave would be for Argentina to sign a formal peace treaty with the UK that is internationally verified and recognises the Islanders right to self-determination and renouncing its claims to the Islands and the surrounding region.
Crays? Smells fishy Think. Looking increasingly likely that an Argie done it - same as 2012. Hmm .... viveza criolla methinks, Think
Feb 04th, 2017 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2My badly informed sources on them windblown Islands inform me otherwise..., Mr. Lorton...
Feb 04th, 2017 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Thynk/voice
Feb 04th, 2017 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Cripes...!
I spell as badly as they did... ”
It's not important- just shows you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
“It's not important- just shows you haven't a clue what you're talking about.”
Feb 05th, 2017 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse +1It's the little things that catch these people out and expose their charade.
The FALKLANDS will be a BOT for the next 25 years.
Feb 05th, 2017 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse +3Libra
Feb 05th, 2017 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse +2”Agree with your sentiments, my only concern are the short-term appeasement inclined parts of the FCO2
Your concerns cannot be dismissed. British politicians seem to know as little Falklands history as the Argentines.
The shameful period from late 1960s -1982 when the foreigner's office tried to suck up to Argentina, could be repeated.
These days the Islands politicians are more informed and can smell a FCO rat 8000 miles off.
You don't have sources on the Islands, Think, because if you did, you'd know that it is mostly forgotten already. Another minor incident of little consequence. A two month window for the crime dates? December & January? That's a lot of Argie tourists to be interviewed - not that BA will assist of course - and without them being interviewed the enquiry grounds to a halt. Islanders cannot flee, but Argies can. Still got my money on one of them.
Feb 05th, 2017 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1As for the post - Beware Greeks bearing gifts.
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