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Cristina Fernandez ex Army chief arrested for alleged torture and kidnapping
Former Argentine army chief Cesar Milani was arrested Friday for his alleged role in the kidnapping and torture of two men and a woman during the country's military dictatorship. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCesar Milani , will deserve all he gets,
Feb 18th, 2017 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I bet his supporters are running for the hills.
Funny that the Trolls were shrilly telling us that the CFK's regime were righteously witch hunting ex-members of the Junta military that still held prominent positions in the military under Menem.
Feb 19th, 2017 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Now we find they were hypocritically harbouring their own Junta military torturer and criminal under the Kirchner regime.
Not really surprising.
Good job for exposing this, Macri.
Interesting. The arrest of Milani happens at the end of a hellish week for the Macri administration, after an incenstuous Macri-Macri agreement dissipates about 98 per cent of the debt the Macri's sons group owes the state--now represented by Mauricio Macri--for its disastrous management of the Correo Argentino in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
Feb 19th, 2017 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The conflict of interest being so flagrant, even members of Cambiemos and oficialist media such as La Nacion and Clarin were forced to give the scandal some attention.
Then, a small but unjustifiable reduction in payments to the retired at national level caused another ruckus, adding to the Correo scandal.
Not prejudging on the eventual guilt of the militar, a flat denial of excarcelation appears as a desperate attempt to keep him in prison, opening criticism of the previous CFK government and make the public to look away from what has been dubbed Macri's worst week since taking office.
Interesting. Your post here is attempting to deflect from this K shill with a well known case history finally being brought to book for his crimes. The Narcokleptocracy was more than happy to use him to further the disorganization rampant in the army, ignoring all outcries about his association with the regime of torturers. I shouldn't be surprised. As the “better half” of the “Torturer's Tango Duo,” one could expect nothing less. But whether you were a fascist with a fancy gold braided uniform, or a “man of the people,” in a red bandana, here's hoping you end up in the crossbar hotel along with him. You clearly have much to atone for, you cannot go back. ;)
Feb 20th, 2017 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse +2http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/fidel-pinochet_zpseqxbxoir.jpg
No matter Mr Enrique's own deflection, another Kirchnerist is brought to justice.
Feb 20th, 2017 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3Enrique, quiet for so long - just appears when the K's are exposed or threatened.
Figures...
There still remain plenty militar personnel to be tried for their responsibilities in the state terrorism of the 1970s, and let's remember that the government of Néstor Kirchner quashed previous amnesties, which led to trial and conviction of many for crimes against humanity.
Feb 20th, 2017 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -2It's, however suspicious a judge's sudden interest to arrest Milani and deny freedom on bail without clear reasons during a week during which Argentines strongly reacted to what could be the biggest scandal the Macri administration has faced so far.
Macri, who won the elections with the argument that the Kirchners had “stolen everything,” has a lot of explaining to do about his network of undeclared offshore companies revealed in the giant Panama Papers leaks, and has now been indicted for his role in the recent attempt to erase 98 per cent of the Macri debt to the government created by its botched management of Correo Argentino after it was privatized by Carlos Menem in the late 1990s.
Too bad MP does not consider this major story worth printing.
Mr Enrique,
Feb 20th, 2017 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Nestor quashed the amnesties...”
Apart from the obvious question, “ how can you quash an amnesty and total discharge?”, why did Nestor and CFK charge some Junta criminals and not others? Could it have something to do with their political leanings or usefulness to the K's?
Kanye:
Feb 21st, 2017 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse -2Oh come on!
Of course you don't agree with the prosecution of the torturers and killers. Kirchner reversed their Menem-given amnesty and because the crimes were against humanity and they could then be prosecuted.
You couldn't care less about justice for the kidnapped, the tortured and other victims of the military dictators. However, here you are now questioning why Kirchner didn't do the job to perfection. (And we still need a judge's sentence before you open your big mouth).
You just aren't afraid of looking a bit selective, are you?
Well now Kamerad/Komrade Rique, you didn't give a damn when Milani was appointed, now did you? But others did. You are a Man of Blood, and the sooner your lying carcass is dragged before a judge, the sooner the world we become a better place.If you go to Argentina you will be finger printed, no? BWAHAHAHAHA!
Feb 21st, 2017 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/komraderique_zpsqgxocsfu.jpg
Enrique
Feb 21st, 2017 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It is YOU who is inconsistent, not me.
Tell me why Nestor and Evita K would go to great lengths as 'heros of the People' to reverse an amnesty and prosecute Junta criminals of the previous administration, but then hire their own?
Only now, without the protection of the K's, can the Judiciary prosecute this man for torture and kidnapping.
You are a self-righteous hypocrite.
They for the most part HATE CFK. Though if you walk by her apartment on Recoletta, the barrio she hated as the rich, her supporter sleep on the sidewalks hoping she throws them some pesos.
Feb 21st, 2017 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Her reign is over by most Argentines and they see her for what she was, a corrupt politican. They want her in jail.
It was funny seeing the crowd around her apartment.........occasionally leaving to go through the trash bins.........sad.
Hi Capt.
Feb 21st, 2017 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poignant and sad commentary of the real
Kirchners and the hapless and hopeful who supported her.
For her own greed CFK sabotaged the institutions that served the people.
She neglected obligations to build a viable economy that would really benefit the unemployed and the working poor, in the long run.
A callous self-centered Populist.
I suppose she fooled old Commies like Enrique though.
Unfortunately, he perpetuates the lies.
Thanks for giving us a glimpse of how things really are in Argentina.
Look at the cheerleader chorus excelling on what Mauricio Macri and his acolyts attempt to do in Argentina, which is keep talking about CFK, Milani, Jose Lopez and Lazaro Baez while Macri goes about his business of destroying Argentina's economy while doing plump business operations for his family and closest friends.
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0What else can be expected of this small group of dinosaurs who are still talking in Cold War lingo, using “pink” “Commies” and “Kammerade” as impact adjectives?
Meanwhile, my friends, reality is changing in Argentina by the day. We are just observes, therefore we can only aspire to be informed. You may not know it, but former favourite Mauricio Macri is quickly shaping to become the most hated president (save for family members, close friends and oligarch various benefiting from his measures) and the facilitator of the next crisis. The tide is quickly turning in Argentina and what I announced here a year ago is unfortunately becoming reality.
Meanwhile, keep yourselves wrapped in your small, cozy world and avoid disappointment by consulting your favourite media only--don't ever venture outside the bubble.
Correct..., Mr. Massot...
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse -3Just nine months for the election me dear “Pink Commie Kammerade”...
In the meanwhile there is a steady daily increase in the number of Thinking persons in Argentina that in many ways are exerting the best ”Damage Control“ over the Macri administration they can...
- Luckily..., it hasturned out that Mr. Macri's worst political enemy is... Mr. Macri himself...
By the way... Have you read Brasilian news lately...?
They all predict ”Pink Commie Kammerade” Lula as winner of the 2018 Brasilian presidential election...
With ”Pink Commie Kammerade” Marina as the runner up... :-)
Think is happy...
Think is a bitter....
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It would be a lot more lucky if Macri could do a good job and improve the economy, considering he's president for another 3 years. And IMO Brazil and Argentina should follow the same rule as the US for presidents: two terms and that's it. Allowing them to come back later means that ex-presidents don't lose their power and influence in the same way and defeats the point of the term limits.
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1DT...
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -2He could...
But he won't...
He doesn't want...
By the way...
How many terms are allowed in Germany..., Italy..., Sweden..., Spain..., Holland..., England...?
Many of us still remember 11 years of a certain “Engrish Lady”..., lad...
I think the complaints under Macri are similar under kirchner except thereally is no corruption bitching about cuntlips. From my perspective, I would would be bitching about electrical systems. The lights always flutters. Weird system that one building cab have electricity and the next none. Or, lights no elevator........and that sucks big time.
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Drainage has never been something thought about here. Like last night's storm and rain. Rt 9 out of the city was literally closed under the water receded.....lack of drainage system. But this was always like this.
The fucking sidewalks could use some work too.
The start some road paving, tear it up, stop and leave it like that for a month....unions.
I still think they prefer Macri than Cuntlips Kirchner.
Reporting live in. BsAs........the Capt.
@Think
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Those countries have no term limits, but none of them are ruled by a president either. A prime minister is very different; they are not directly elected by the voters, and if they lose the support of their party they can be tossed out in just a few days, as happened to Thatcher.
Sr. Massot...
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Por si no lo vió...:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSFqPhwPddQ
I'm laughing at Think/voice and Sr. Massot
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1- “...Macri is destroying the economy... ”
- an absurd lie, Enrique.
“... he could [improve the economy] ,but he won't... doesn't want... ”
- Thinkey, what a load of crap - in the same veins as the the Trumpeters and Tea-partners saying “Obama hates America... Obama wants to destroy America..”!
You two are a pair of ideological buffoons.
Mr. DemonTree...
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -2And so what...?
In American Style Presidential Democracies you have impeachment..., where you can toss out the President in just a few weeks..., as happened to Dilma...
In American Style Presidential Democracies you have Senates and Houses of Representatives..., that can make a President a sitting duck for years..., as happened to Obama...
Geeeeee...... lad...
You and your mild case of haughty Angloeuropean ethnocentrism...
Impeachment is not really comparable. For a start it took months for her enemies to remove Rousseff, and secondly it is only supposed to used to remove a President for acting illegally, hence their using her breaking the budgetary laws as a pretext. On the other hand, in the UK a PM can be removed by their party just because they are unpopular, or for any other reason; or they can resign after the election and their party will choose a successor.
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The recall referendum in Venezuela would actually be more similar, if it was ever allowed to take place, since it allows the people who chose the current President to remove him just because they are not happy with how he is running the country.
Anyway, I think Obama's difficulties illustrate an advantage of parliamentary systems: since a PM must always have the support of parliament, they are actually able to govern and get laws passed, rather than spending all their time fighting a hostile congress.
But if you don't believe there is a big difference in the systems, do you think there should be term limits in the countries you mentioned? Or would you rather remove the limits in Argentina altogether?
Parlamentarism can be tricky too..., lad...
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2One of my Kingdoms, for example had during many, many years a near pefect balance between the red an blue blocs....
That allowed a little center party with ~4% of the vote to detent the de facto political control of the Land by cherry picking the offers...
- Just stop Thinking that by copying even more Yankee political system into ours it will make things better...
Ain't worknig soo great for them just now..., either...
Kanye:
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“...Macri is destroying the economy (is) an absurd lie, Enrique.“
Kanye: it's becoming increasingly difficult, even for Macri unconditionals such as yourself to hide reality from view--and especially from those who are suffering steep reductions in purchase power and those who are losing their job altogether.
Reality is, Macri has come to be the executioner in charge of the revenge on the low and middle classes, after years of bitterness of for the wealthy owners of the country who had to endure the unbearable sight of a strong domestic market and increasing consumption by the ”populace.”
This revenge has already made its victims. The shrinking of the domestic economy coupled with increasing energy tariffs is causing the closure of thousands of businesses, which is swelling the numbers of the unemployed.
And while this and much more happens, Macri the president pardons Macri the entrepreneur's debt on the Correo Argentino causing damages to the state by $4.7 billion U.S.
Many who voted Macri are already publicly expressing their repentance--many, but irreductible Kanye!
Think:
Gracias, great video!
@Think
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I'm sure parliamentary systems also have disadvantages; if you use PR for voting you can end up with no government for months, as we saw in Spain, whereas if you use FPTP then a large portion of the voters become irrelevant.
Anyway, I certainly would not recommend you adopt the electoral college, or the US's way of determining electoral districts. But I think if you are going to have term limits at all, it makes much more sense to make them permanent. Do you actually prefer the current system to having no limits, or permanent ones?
Besides, wasn't Argentina's system based on the US's in the first place? So if the US needs to make a change, it would be a good idea for Argentina to also consider it, no?
@EM
Revenge on the low and middle classes? How melodramatic. Isn't/wasn't Macri a businessman? How is he going to sell anything if the majority of people have no money? Forgiving the debt clearly benefits his family and is an obvious conflict of interest, but destroying the economy would not benefit him at all, and certainly won't get him re-elected.
DT
Feb 22nd, 2017 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You are quite right, Macri is a businessman and understands the science of economics.
Macri is re-structuring the economy so it will function properly and be viable.
This takes time - Enrique knows that, but he is ramping up the rhetoric to create discontent.
Enrique and Think are closed minded ideologues.
Enrique's beliefs are so obsolete that he believes everything is based on a deliberate Class War.
“Think” is an old Commie hiding out in Europe.
Enrique is living in Canada and has never set foot in Argentina for 40 years. He tries to tell us what the people of Argentina are thinking.
Meanwhile, Captain Poppy is living in Argentina, with Argentines and is witness day to day to their experiences and frustrations, just as he was there during the Kirchner era.
Captain Poppy is not ideologically motivated.
I know who is more credible.
@DT
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse -1”...if the majority of people have no money...destroying the economy would not benefit (Macri) at all, and certainly won't get him re-elected.“
Certainly DT is an honourable exception in this forum--He won't insult--and asks pertinent questions.
Certainly, Macri has surprised me so far because he has made so many clumsy decisions in such a short time. As for your question: Macri is not interested in selling anything to the populace. His business are, for example, handing a large contract to make the Sarmiento railway underground to the now celebrity company Odebrecht and to IECSA, of Ángel Calcaterra, Macri's cousin and best friend who also recently purchased a bank with headquarters in Cayman Islands.
Macri does not care about the domestic economy and that is why his measures have forced the closure of thousands of small and medium-size enterprises who cannot cope with the citizens' reduction of purchasing power, the ”tarifazos“ steeply hiking energy bills, and the indiscriminate opening of imports.
Remember that part of the current high fiscal deficit was created by the elimination/reduction of taxes on exports for the agro business and the mining industry. Those are sectors that Macri is benefiting, in addition to financial speculators.
Remember the investments that were to going to ”rain on Argentina?“ Well: nothing happening on that front.
Meanwhile, Macri is borrowing abroad like there is no tomorrow--not to build anything--just to finance operations.
I know it sounds incredible--but many have already said Macri has done more damage to Argentina in one year than any previous government or dictatorship.
The logic of this cannot be understood without knowledge that the ultra wealthy class in Argentina does not aspire to develop a capitalist society--they prefer to remain in a semi-feudal, agro-export-based country where the poor are kept in ”their place,“ and sophisticated goods are imported from ”more efficient countries.”
mr Enrique,
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keeping 'em poor was CFK's game - and throwing them a bone to buy votes.
You really are living in the past.
As DT said, Macri is trying for foreign investment in industries (not agriculture) and he needs a Consumer Base with a good amount of disposable income to make it work.
CFK was not a philanthropic EVITA, no matter how much she posed as one.
@EM
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact Macri has made so many clumsy decisions suggests incompetence rather than malice IMO. And even large contracts will be scarce when the country is in recession.
He handled the energy tariffs badly, but I think he was right to reduce them. People have to pay one way or another, either directly or through their taxes or by borrowing against their own future. And high subsidies encourage waste, which is bad for the environment as well as the budget.
Taxes on exports obviously will make them more expensive and less competetive. I'm not an economist so I don't know what the optimum level is, but plenty who are do support his policies. Even if he is wrong, it suggests he's following a rational plan, not some kind of sabotage program.
I don't think Macri has done to right things to help Argentina and get it out of recession, but I suspect running a country is actually quite difficult. ;) I also find it hard to believe that anyone who runs for president is happy being hated and leaving a legacy of failure, not to mention the likelihood that CFK or someone similar will be elected in 3 years' time and undo all his changes.
@Kanye
Does that mean you do believe that Evita Perón was a philanthropist?
DT
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Ha ha, NOT at all !!
Argies like Enrique see her as a Saint, and CFK (“EVITA K”) adopted her likeness for the purpose of self-promotion. She wanted to create the same Cult Persona as Evita.
The reality is of course that both were self-serving and corrupt while putting up a facade of benevolence.
Evita was the wife of a fascist dictatorship tator and implicated in laundering the money the Nazis stole from the Jews.
Enrique prefers to believe the false personas of both women, and is mortally offended when his Saint Evita is slighted.
Just trying to very clear about this, lest some feeble-minded Trolls choose to “translate” what I said, in the same manner of the British Ambassador's remarks were mis-construed.
@DT
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“I suspect running a country is actually quite difficult.”
Agree. However, there is a big difference between someone who tries to do good but makes mistakes in an overall context of progress, and another who has a careful designed plan to, in this case, reduce the income of the large majority of the population to the benefit of a few wealthy ones.
“...also find it hard to believe that anyone who runs for president is happy being hated and leaving a legacy of failure...”
I understand it may be difficult to gauge the incredible selfishness and arrogance of the Argentine upper class for someone watching from an anglo-saxon standpoint. These people revere European and U.S. culture and power while mistrusting, fearing and even hating the crowds of sweaty workers and low-range employees. All Macri cares about is his family and friends' business and bringing the country back to pre-1945 status. I know people in this forum are going to yawn and attribute again these thoughts to age, distance, incurable leftism, etc. etc. So let's talk again in a few months, when the current trend is finally caught up by the foreign media.
EM
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“know people in this forum are going to yawn and attribute again these thoughts to age, distance, incurable leftism, etc. etc. ”
Yes. Correct.
You're an obsolete leftist looney.
TWIMC
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sr. Massot writes...:
- “I understand it may be difficult to gauge the incredible selfishness and arrogance of the Argentine upper class for someone watching from an anglo-saxon standpoint. These people revere European and U.S. culture and power while mistrusting, fearing and even hating the crowds of sweaty workers and low-range employees. All Macri cares about is his family and friends' business and bringing the country back to pre-1945 status.”
I say...:
Firstly..., judging only by his surname..., I think that Mr. Massot could easily be a first hand witness of the truthfulness of his above asseveration... (Luckily, they are white sheeps in all families..., Enrique ;-)
Secondly..., I totally agree with his opinion (and life experience)...
Thirdly..., he and I could surely come with many stories about Classism in Argentina..., but I Think...,the following recent video from prime time Argie television encompasses them all...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ883ses8fE
Just watch that sweet Neo-oligarch girl (married into money) define the Macri family as “WHITE, BEAUTIFUL AND PURE”.. and the others as “FILTH”...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ883ses8fE
And to finish...
I don't THINK for a minute that it is difficult for an Anglo-Sachse to “gauge the incredible selfishness and arrogance of the Argentine upper class”...
Their own upper class was exactly like that..., less than 100 years ago...
Most of the Anglo Turnips commenting in here can thank the leftiest loonies of their gretat grand parents for the standards and rights they enjoy today...
Also sprach El Think...
@EM
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“These people revere European and U.S. culture and power while mistrusting, fearing and even hating the crowds of sweaty workers and low-range employees.”
They are doing it wrong then. Neither the American Dream nor European ideas of Social Democracy are based on screwing the workers. And as president, Macri would be more influential if Argentina was richer and more developed.
But okay, we will wait a few months and see what happens, and hope that South America does better at getting out of the recession than Europe and America did with theirs.
@Kanye
I guess I should have put a smiley on that comment. Is there anyone in Argentina you admire?
@Think
Wow. If someone said that on British TV they'd be pilloried. But I bet there are plenty of people who think such things.
Anyway, since unlike you I'm not over 100 years old, I do find it hard to gauge the selfishness and arrogance of the then upper class. I have heard that a lot of them were killed in the two world wars though, so apparently they did think it their duty to fight for their country.
Mr. DemonTree...
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I have heard that a lot of them (Upper Class) were killed in the two world wars though, so apparently they did think it their duty to fight for their country.“... you say...
As I sad to Sr. Massot just above...:
”Luckily, they are white sheeps in all families... ”
So why did you say Enrique ought to know all about it? There are famous Massots in the Argentine upper class?
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, it is the racism in that statement that British people would find shocking. Some forms of classism are still really common.
But were there any leaders in Europe who aspired to make the poor poorer and sabotage the economy? I have never heard of any.
Anything and anyone is better than KFC and the Peronists, a point lost on Tinkle and the hypocrite
Feb 23rd, 2017 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT
Feb 24th, 2017 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse +1Great answers DT.
Admire Argentines? I don't know personally of any
that deserve adulation, but they likely exist.
I have met some that are perfectly nice individuals.
The hate-filled Trolls, La Campora, other political propagandists who spread disinformation (lies) that discredits and hurts others, are not my cup of tea.
The average José on the street is likely just fine.
Macri appears to be at least attempting to improve the economy and by extension, the lot of regular Argentines.
Nostrils' racism and xenophobia is repulsive.
As are Enrique's crazy self-righteous Class War conspiracies, and his desire to redistribute other people's wealth.
The lying racist narcissistic Think+Voice is likely the most despicable and callous, next to that rotting filth, CFK.
What about you?
“Admire Argentines? I don't know personally of any
Feb 24th, 2017 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse -1that deserve adulation, but they likely exist.”
What he really means is he doesn't personally know ANY Argentines..
Just a backwards Canadian with nothing better to do than criticise on subjects that he knows nothing about and don't concern him at all...
What's it to you Canadian...?
Nothing...nothing at all...
Think/voice;
Feb 24th, 2017 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse -2Pure speculation on your part, but rest assured, you are NOT an Argentine that I admire.
Voice:
Feb 24th, 2017 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Kanye is a Canuck, I can assure you he is one of a kind. Most Canadians are nice people, respectful of diversity and very considered. Their success in building a country so close and with so many ties to the U.S. and still very different is to be admired.
Oh, and to close the discussion on whether Argentina is evolving to be a happy and well fed country under Macri administration or walking to its next collapse, this is not a matter of opinion--there are enough facts reported by the honest, minority media. Clarin, La Nacion and the foreign media still wants to believe Macri and his free-market recipes will work...some day.
I have to say I never expected Macri would produce such a fiasco in such a short time. After all, he has been able to pass most of his bills into law, helped by many Peronist legislators. He has enjoyed quite a long honeymoon with the electors, but patience has limits, and Argentines are known for shaking off bad governments relatively quickly.
Think:
“...they are white sheeps in all families.”
Thanks for your compliment. My distant relatives the Massots of Bahia Blanca are a perfect example of the Argentine oligarchy I described in a previous post. I'd rather keep the distance.
@Kanye
Feb 24th, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not Messi or Maradona? I suppose football is not very popular in Canada, but I reckon those two are easily the most admired here in England. Actually I wondered if you might say Nisman, or one of CFK's opponents.
I guess I admire Pope Francis for trying to clean up corruption in the Catholic Church, and his emphasis on helping the poor. I wasn't impressed by his waving around 'Malvinas' signs though, I don't think the Pope should get involved in that kind of nationalism.
And I actually kind of admire Evita; she rose from obscurity to become both powerful and beloved, that's quite an achievement.
Also, whatever else the K's have done, I do admire Néstor for ending the amnesty and allowing the prosecution of former junta officials.
And Enrique the socialist is related to Argentine aristocracy? That's quite funny. ;)
DT,
Feb 24th, 2017 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I agree with most of what you say.
Nisman certainly was punished for stepping out of line and his integrity and tenacity.
Let's face it, there were two sides to Evita. In the end, she was a prostitute who took things to an unprecedented scale of her profession.
I wouldn't admire Nestor one bit.
However, much they deserve in this case , to be punished, it's very scary that he could simply annull an amnesty granted by a previous administration.
Nestor's motives as we can see in hindsight were self serving politically, and hypocritical. Even while they persecuted some publicly, they were harbouring the very high profile Milani for a decade in a very senior position. Even our hypocritical
Kirchner apologist Patrone Massot admits that there were many that went unprosecuted. I can only suppose it didn't suit them to do so.
Obviously, there were not enough Nismans risk it all to go after them.
Now that the K's are gone, it's clear that the Judges and Prosecutors are no longer intimidated and kept back.
Interesting that Enrique enjoys the Free Speech rights as a Canadian, yet like Trump and EVITA K, he criticises and discredits the Press of Argentina during the Kirchner reign for speaking out against the government, yet no comment about the state-run media of the time.
Now he is quoting every Peronist rag that condemns Macri and promotes their agenda.
That's a real testament to the tolerance of the Canadians that Enrique lives amongst. Perhaps they just feel he is a somewhat kooky eccentric.
Je vous en prie, Mssr. Massot...
Feb 24th, 2017 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -3There ain't no Argentinean aristocracy, Mr. DemonTree...
Abolished in 1813...
But there is, of course, an Argie High Society... or Oligarchy if one so prefer...
It regularly produces some individuals with a highly developed social conscience like the Ché Guevara or Carlos Mugica... just to mention a couple of contemporaries of mine...
Nothing “funny” about it...
@Kanye
Feb 24th, 2017 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You have a point about annulling the amnesty, but it was originally granted under some duress, and also apparently the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional, so it was struck down.
Anyway it's true that CFK is being prosecuted now, so soon everyone will know whether she is really guilty of corruption.
@Think
Yeah, but it sounds funnier that way. And 'contemporaries'? Just how old are you?
Old enough...
Feb 24th, 2017 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -3DT
Feb 24th, 2017 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I don't believe for a moment that Nestor was motivated merely to punish “crimes against humanity”.
He was quite selective about which criminals were charged and which were appointed to prominence in his government.
I would go so far as to suggest that he was conveniently consolidating his position using a false pretext to neutralise his opponents.
Admirable, my arse !
Oh? I don't know too much about Nestor; apart from the subject of this article, which criminals were appointed to prominence in his government? And which opponents did he neutralise by removing the amnesty?
Feb 25th, 2017 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse +1Milani was for a start.
Feb 25th, 2017 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2And many of the military and ex-military prosecuted were members of the establishment under Menem's administration.
These would be direct rivals of Nestor.
Nestor set out to emasculate the military to protect himself from potential military coups.
Of course those were the very people protected by the amnesty.
TWIMC
Feb 25th, 2017 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My personal position about anything related with the Argie Armed Farces is on record...
I just want to clarify one itsy bitsy detail to the Anglos above...:
Mr. Milani was designated as Army Chief in 2013...
Nestor Kirchner died of a cardiac arrest in 2010...
But don't take me word for it... Google it...
In what “K” capacity did he serve before, Think-voice?
Feb 25th, 2017 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a true Kirchnerist with a proven track record would be appointed to a high position by CFK - oops, she's a Kirchner!
@Kanye
Feb 27th, 2017 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Argentina has had more than enough military coups, maybe they would be better off with a weaker army.
Who was in charge of prosecutions after the amnesty was lifted? Where they appointed by Nestor or not?
I am sure he could get political mileage out of it, Nestor would accept credit - it seems that by Enrique's account, Nestor the Hero reversed the amnesty granted for these Crimes Against Humanity.
Feb 27th, 2017 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing wrong with that, but it appears the Kirchners were very selective.
Begs the question “why?”
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