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May and Sturgeon unable to find common ground; Scottish parliament will vote on independence referendum
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and British Prime Minister Theresa May were unable to find common ground during a meeting in Scotland, just a day before the Scottish parliament is set to sanction another independence referendum. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSNP and Scottish Greens in favour. 69 votes. Tories, Labour, LibDems against. 59 votes. A majority in favour. Applause in chamber.
Mar 28th, 2017 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It's a choice of which union? The one with with which Scotland does 4x the trade of the other one (UK). The one which has lasted 300 yrs (UK), or the one in deep trouble after 40yrs (EU). The democratic one or the one with un-elected officials exercising huge power?
Mar 28th, 2017 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indyref is a misnomer as independence isn't even on offer. Given the choice between being part of a UK union or a less democratic failed EU union it's such an easy call.
The Green Amendment to allow sixteen and seventeen year-olds, and EU citizens, to vote in ScotRef passes: 69 to 59.
Mar 28th, 2017 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If WM does block it, - The Scottish Goverment's course of action will be?
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/03/options-for-independence/
Mr.EscoSesDoidao
Mar 28th, 2017 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I do luuuuuv the loooong list of recent but ancient independent European Countries in your above linked artice...:
Belarus...,Bosnia..., Croatia..., Czech Republic... Estonia..., Latvia.., Lithuania..., Macedoia..., Montenegro..., Serbia..., Slovakia..., Slovenia..., Ukraine... and soon to be........ bonnie Scotland... :-)))
Everyone knows the EU's goal is a federal union of states, one Govt... one currency one army and one law...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland would get no compromise...
Where is the Independence...?
Not going to happen...
I love EscoSesDoidao's enthusiasm...but his vote is meaningless as it will be cancelled out by mine...;-)
Mr. Voice...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I Think... it may very well happen...
I remeber a loong conversation evening I once had on a Kreuzberg bar with a motley crew of chain smoking German youngsters in the sixties...
This humble Patagonian was nearly laughted out from that Berliner Kneipe because his firm believes about a reunited Germany...
I walked past the place not sooo long ago... it's still open to business...
Check Point Charlie isn't...
;-)))
Voice. It's independence from being ruled by the Westminster Gov. Comparing the two unions in that fashon is, fairly disingenious, but there may be one adult out there who takes it in. I would like Scotland to become an Independent counrty once again, but I would never be inclined to state 'It will happen'. That would be somewhat foolish, as nobody knows for certain.
Mar 28th, 2017 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, we should hear a response to both article 30, and also an initial response to TM's article 50 from the EU institutions very soon. (EU initial response has to be within 48 hours of Wed's article 50 trigger)
Mr. EscoSesDoidao...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Just for your kid info...
As you may already know..., there are Scottish descendants mostly everywhere...
Even in Patagonia... where I know a couple or three... All of them share your wishes for Alba...;-)
Yes Mr. Think I'm sure there is....the usual response from people that don't live here or are part timers...whose income is not dependant on the Scottish economy...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It's a wonderful romantic notion that I firmly believe would devastate the Scottish economy and their relationship with the English...
The majority of tourists to Scotland are English the majority of trade with Scotland...is also English...
Speaking of English and England it comes as no surprise that all the material that EscoSesDoidao seems to quote either comes from England (Bath) (wingsoverScotland) or Craig Murray...an Englishman born in Norfolk rejected by the SNP...
Mr. Voice...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Jupppppppp.....
About 15,000,000 of them...
Three times the current populaton of bonnie Alba...
The biggest of the Celtic diaspora and of any European Country...
Provoked by your friendly local Engrish yoke...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_diaspora
Mr. Think...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is nothing compared to the English diaspora...100 million...
Provoked by...?
Inherited wanderlust no doubt...your lot....;-)
They may well now have another Referendum - but it will not be until at least 2020!
Mar 28th, 2017 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like no longer are quite 60% of Scots in favour of the EU as it currently is anyway.
Bloody stupid to have a vote over an issue until you can see what the options are - ie |in at least 2 yrs-probably 3 plus time when Brexit has happened and we know where UK and EU are or are not.
Lots of Big businesses in EU want and need to have good free trade deals with UK,
as do many UK ones with EU. So some of the more nationalistic politicians on bothy sides may find their wings get a bit clipped by economic reality!
Or they may not - nobody yet knows until negotiations are well underway - and the Scots do not know either!
Neither can Scotland simply say it will keep the £ - not their decision! Maybe negotiable only with London and price will be that monetary policy is decided by Bank of ENGLAND - some Independence!! So they may well end up with the Euro -like it or not.
Not Scotlands choice either to say there will be an open border - rest of UK may well say NO- normal full foreign country border controls in place- import tax and duty on Scots goods coming south - and far more trade southwards than there is north!
Sturgeon could no give a damn either way - she has just a fanatical hatred for the English!
Mr. Voice...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -3That's not called “Diaspora*”...
That's called “ Colonialim”... lad...
* (Diaspora has come to refer particularly to historical mass dispersions of an involuntary nature...)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora
Mr. Think...
Mar 28th, 2017 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Aye that's right...Scottish Colonialism...
Anyway...
Don't shoot the messenger....I used the same source as yersel...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_diaspora
Maybe Wiki shouldn't call it a diaspora then...
“mass dispersions of an involuntary nature.”
Does the weather count....?
......................................... Jupppp... and the fod too...;-)
Mar 28th, 2017 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3So according to Think, Scots settling in the Falklands wasn't colonialism; they're part of the Scottish diaspora. Got it.
Mar 29th, 2017 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody stupid to have a vote over an issue until you can see what the options are - ie |in at least 2 yrs-probably 3 plus time when Brexit has happened and we know where UK and EU are or are not.
Mar 29th, 2017 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The same could be said for the population of the UK. Will we be allowed a vote on the offered terms? Remember 48% of the UK electorate voted to stay in the EU.
There will be huge divisions in the country no matter what terms are agreed.
Do you have great faith in Mrs.May and her cabal to get a good deal. Compromise will be required but with her it's my way or nothing.
As to Ms.Sturgeon hating the English, that's rubbish. She hates the policies of a Tory government in Westminster. You could equally say that May hates the Scots as she is ignoring any requests for discussions about Brexit DESPITE her saying that all parts of the UK would be consulted.
Her idea of consultation is I will tell you what will happen and you will shut up.
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 30th, 2017 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to history..., the Scottish Diaspora is a product of Engrish Colonialism...
The special characteristic of the Scots settling in Malvinas is that their Feudal Colonial Bond of Serfhood to the Engrish continued almost unmolested until the 1980's...
@Think
Mar 30th, 2017 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to you, you mean. What's it like to live in such a black and white world? Where it doesn't matter what you do, or which country you move to, or why, but only which side of the border you came from? Scots who moved to the colonies to work in the civil service, or to set up businesses, or just for a better life, are a diaspora, a 'historical mass dispersion of an involuntary nature', but English people who were forcibly transported to Australia as convicts are of course colonists. And according to you the poor Scots are nothing but oppressed victims, despite helping to run the empire, commanding armies, and serving as government ministers and even PM.
And how strange that people would prefer a 'Feudal Colonial Bond of Serfhood' to joining the Republic of Argentina. Is Argentina such a terrible place, or is it more likely that you are simply wrong?
DT
Apr 02nd, 2017 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1As I said before, Thicko HATES the English....probably an inferiority complex...he has much to feel inferior about.
He has to slant “history” to prove that it is all the England's fault, ignoring the fact that Scotland was complicit in the slave trade in the West Indies.
Look at the place names that reflect Scotland and the names common in the black population. They would be recognisable and common in Sauchiehall street in Glasgow.
In his twisted mind, Scotland is being held as an unwilling part of the UK by the perfidious devious English.
Many English would think that the Scots are ruling England.
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