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The direction the Prime Minister is taking is “both reckless and damaging”
The head of UK opposition and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said Prime Minister Theresa May’s plans for Brexit were potentially “reckless and damaging”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAlicia Castro said regarding Corbyn: “In the end, he is one of 'ours'. Even today, when he comes to our embassy, he arrives with the same bicycle and the same enthusiasm. He is a friendly person with a sense humour, who knows how to listen.” Alicia Castro, Argentinian ambassador quoted in Daily Telegraph 14 Sept 2015.
Mar 29th, 2017 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Labour already did give the government a free hand on Brexit, by not putting any conditions on the Brexit bill. They are supposed to be the opposition, and need to stop giving in all the time and start doing their job representing the 48% of us who voted to stay.
Mar 29th, 2017 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DM. A sad Labour remainer. Time to wake up, we are leaving the EU for the better .Labour should be representing the majority who decided to leave the EU.
Mar 29th, 2017 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1No, Labour should be representing their own voters, most of whom voted to remain. If both parties represent the majority that is no sort of democracy at all!
Mar 30th, 2017 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ DM
Mar 30th, 2017 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love how the Brexit voters call everyone else a 'moaner' when they do nothing else but complain and moan about everything.
No one is disputing the fact that we are leaving the EU for better or, in my opinion, a lot worse. But TM is the PM of everyone, not just the 'sad' old white men (and the rest) who voted to leave. Her job is to reach an agreement with the consideration of all of the people of the U.K. and we have every right to comment on that process. More so if we actually live in the U.K.
From the SAD comments made by Brexit voters you would think that the wishes of voters for remain don't count but we all pay tax and our government serves us all. I sometimes think these old fogies that live abroad would be better off living under a dictatorship. They certainly don't understand the basics of democracy.
As an old white man who voted to join a Common Market which got slyly transformed into a German/French dominated superstate and thus voted out, it's you two who are the whingers. If only you could hear what you sound like?
Mar 30th, 2017 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse +2It WAS the “ Common Market ” we joined not a superstate that tells us what we ought to do. Democracy is to represent the majority and how do you know that the Labour voters overwhelmingly voted to remain .As an old white man I can remember what it was before the “ Common Market ” and we did exceedingly well.
Mar 30th, 2017 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse +2@ The Voice & GC,
Mar 30th, 2017 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse -1*Holds up a mirror* What do you see? Bitter old men incapable of changing with the times and harping back to 'the good old days' of rickets and war.
You two really do swallow everything the Daily Mail tells you. Look up their headline from 1973 when the strap line is 'After ten years of campaigning by the Daily Mail; Europe here we come'. So the Daily Mail told you joining Europe was a good thing and you agreed. The Daily Mail has been feeding you untrue and false facts for the last ten years and now you believe being part of a huge trading bloc is bad. (The DM is owned by a rich Non-Dom).
GC, democracy does not mean that the views and concerns of the people that did not vote to leave are ignored or irrelevant. What kind of weird world do you live in?
GC/ChrisR or whatever name you are using today, those times are gone forever. The world has changed while you stood still. We cannot go back, nor should we want to. It was not such a wonderful time. Remember the 70's? We had to borrow from the IMF. We had mass strikes and pickets. We had shortages and rolling blackouts. We had White Christian Men trying to blow us up. We had higher poverty, less choice, no equal opportunities legislation, There was discrimination again gays, blacks, Catholics. We had open marches against immigration. Most people rented, they didn't own property. Most people could never afford to go abroad. And don't even mention the fashions. It was a time of repression and austerity far worse than anything in recent times. And then we join the trading bloc of Europe and it was the start of a new Golden Age.
In Europe we can move freely, live and work where we choose, share innovation, share security. The years we have been in the EU have been the safest and most prosperous for the majority in the U.K.in history. You have stolen that from your children and your grandchildren. All because you are incapable of fitting in. Even worse, you won't be around to see the damage.
Nothing bitter about me EB, I don't take the Daily Mail. You have got it all totally wrong. You have no evidence whatsoever to back up your assertions. You are the bitter one. I always thought you were a sensible person, you are seeing things now through a pathetic ageist hating red haze. Just listen to yourself.
Mar 30th, 2017 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse +2@ The Voice
Mar 30th, 2017 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1I am not bitter but frustrated that old codgers who don't even live in the country and will never get to suffer the consequences got a vote. They are exactly the same as EM. The country they talk about doesn't exist and probably never did. You won't be around to see how wrong you all were because you cannot turn back the clock.
There is huge evidence to support my assertions about the 1970's - go and look for yourself. I researched it so I am sure you can do so.
No hate, no red haze, that is you projecting. I am not wrong, you just don't agree with me and that is a difference of opinion.
@EB
Mar 30th, 2017 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse +1Sure it's annoying that people who don't even live here got to vote, but the great majority who voted do live in this country and will be affected by Brexit. It's not 'old white men' who are the problem, it's a government who only listen to their rich donors and corporations and do nothing to help the poor. It was easy for them to blame all the problems on the EU and immigrants; like the NHS which they massively underfunded, and when it couldn't meet targets they blame young, healthy immigrants for straining it. The truth is the NHS would have collapsed years ago without immigration.
It wasn't so much the old who voted to leave the EU, but the uneducated; people who couldn't see through the lies the tabloids and leave campaigners were telling them, and people who have been doing so badly for years that they are ready to jump off that Brexit cliff in the hope they might find something better.
@golfcronie
There were surveys of voters and also some areas released results for individual wards, so you could compare the referendum results to the votes in the last election. On average areas that voted Labour had a larger Remain vote whereas areas that voted Tory had a much higher Leave vote.
EB, I lived through the 1970's, a horrible time for all sorts of reasons, I certainly don't want to go back there. You are not wrong! That is your opinion. Old white men do not constitute 52% of the voters in the referendum, a FACT that you cant see through your red mist. Just listen to yourself?
Mar 30th, 2017 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1@ The Voice
Mar 30th, 2017 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I said Old White Men and others in another thread so I am aware and accept the majority decision. What is hard to stomach is the glorification of the past by the silly old buggers who don't even live in the country. That comment was addressed to Golfcronie who often appears here under different names but always says the same old shit.
@ DT I don't agree the government does nothing to help the poor. Spend some time in developing countries and you will experience true poverty and the neglect by their governments. That doesn't mean the poorest don't have a difficult time in the U.K. but there is plenty of help.
I totally agree with the statement about blaming the EU and have said it here before now. For too many years governments in the EU have used the institution as a whipping boy, blaming everything on an entity few understand. It was easy and people believed it all . The straight banana story is an example of a false story that persists.
I don't think governments blamed immigrants. Farage and the racist media whipped up the falsehood and some politicians jumped on board when they smelt a vote-winning vehicle.
There is no doubt that the poorly educated and disadvantaged like to have an easy target for their woes. It is easier to think their poor lifestyle is the fault of someone else. Class divide played a part too. They voted thinking if only we left the EU our life will be better because they cannot comprehend otherwise. But who is still banging the nationalist drum after the vote has passed and we are leaving? The old fogies who don't live in the U.K. are still the most vocal.
Theres absolutely no doubt that some old fogies voted for Brexit and I expect a lot voted to remain too. Hestletine, Major and BLiar, etc are prime examples. But to try and brand everyone who voted to leave the EU and hang ageist and racist labels on them like this is rather silly and insulting. In the Canaries and Spain I have heard immigration to the UK as a major reason that people left the UK, often originating from Northern sink towns. Its not racist to move from where you gradually begin to feel uncomfortable as the odd one out to go somewhere affordable abroad among like minded people where you feel at home. I feel sorry for these people as they are now poorer and probably trapped with no way back. Don't make yourself look more stupid with a pointless online vendetta that bores everyone silly. Learn to step back.
Mar 30th, 2017 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@ The Voice
Mar 30th, 2017 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So every time I post I am supposed to put a disclaimer? We could all nit-pick every post but for the record I will repeat my last post regarding others. “And others but the oldies are the ones still complaining”.
Immigration was a HUGE factor in the Brexit vote. It was the single most discussed subject. Now it has been replaced by worries about the economy and inflation. Ha!
“In the Canaries and Spain I have heard immigration to the UK as a major reason that people left the UK,” You cannot see the irony that to avoid immigrant (people from the EU allowed to move and work freely in the U.K.) they became immigrants in other countries because they were allowed to move freely there?
Take your own advice and learn to step back.
EB
Mar 30th, 2017 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Us old men do not have to research it, we lived the EEC / EU has held us back for decades and robbed us blind. As for security have you seen what is happening in the Eu, rape, murder, rioting, mayhem and distruction and to cap it all Germany wanting to create an Eu army, what are they planning for'third time lucky' ?
@EB
Mar 30th, 2017 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You are right, I should have said they don't do enough to help the poor. But perhaps what I really meant is that their policies have increased inequality and made the poor poorer. It's not much use having a job if you are on a zero hours contract and never know how much money you will make each week, and it's harder for poor people to get ahead now a university education costs tens of thousands of pounds and only those who already have houses can afford to buy them.
It was Farage and co who blamed immigrants, but I think the government caused the problem by not spending enough on new infrastructure for the growing population. If there are not enough schools and hospitals and houses then people will blame the immigrants, but if supply had kept up with demand this would not have been such an issue.
Also, I doubt those Brits in the Canaries were fleeing European immigration. South Asian I am guessing, which I expect we will be getting more of after Brexit, quite contrary to the wishes of most who voted for it.
@brucey-babe
Maybe the EU would like an army to stop the 'rape, murder, rioting, mayhem and distruction' it is apparently suffering? Or more likely they are worried because Trump has said he will not honour NATO. Even if Germany does want a third go, we can't stop them creating an army now; that's what Brexit means.
Golfcronie, just a question for you as an outsider.
Apr 01st, 2017 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it that in the 40 years of being in the EU those opposed to this arrangement could lobby, scream, and do all they could to poison the relation and the politics on this matter at will and pleasure, and push hard every day and every year to leave, without any thought to “accepting” the outcome.
But now that you are leaving the EU, those opposed to it suddenly do NOT have the right to do exactly as your side did for decades: protest, poison the politics, and push very hard to get back in?
I'm trying to figure out how you do not find the plain and thick richness of that double-standard.
My only logical conclusion is that you are British, and as I always have said for years here, there is no more hypocritical society on this planet. IT would appear you are truly incapable of spotting double-standards and hypocrisy in behavior when one is in your face. That explains British actions all over the world, for a long long time.
@ TTT
Apr 02nd, 2017 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I almost agreed with your reasoned question to (we all know who he really is) but your inferiority complex ruined it again. Honestly, just because one English girl made fun of your feet all those years ago? It is out of proportion.
Troll boy
Apr 03rd, 2017 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you have been saying it for years does not make it true. It is your opinion and nothing else.
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