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Tear gas and rubber bullets to protect Cristina Fernandez surrounded by protestors in Rio Gallegos
Argentine ex president Cristina Fernandez and her sister in law and governor of Santa Cruz province Alicia Kirchner, are holding in at their home in Rio Gallegos surrounded by an angry crowd in the midst of a chaotic situation as police try to disperse protestors with tear gas and rubber bullets. Read full article
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Apr 22nd, 2017 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1This is quite a reverse, and Alicia Kirchner is blaming Macri for the protests, same as Macri likes to blame Kirchnerists for the ones against him. I wonder how much truth there is in either claim.
Apr 22nd, 2017 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Think/voice, EM,
Apr 22nd, 2017 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1EVITA K, 'defender of the poor', is beloved by all the people.
I am already visualizing many postings ranting about the violent, political and lawless demonstrators, and how unfair it is to criticize the police for its gentle action to “persuade” demonstrators to go away...but wait a minute. What? It was a demonstration against Cristina? Bravo! Vive the defenders of the Republica!
Apr 23rd, 2017 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse -3Kanye, Gauchito Drink and Kamerad/Komrade Rique think it's oppression if crowd control is used to protect members of the government. What is it when it is used to protect out of office members of the Narcokleptocracy?
Apr 23rd, 2017 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1Imoyaro, please read my post again.
Apr 23rd, 2017 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Well Alicia was the object of the demonstration, so I guess this would be “oppression” by her.” Funny thing is she was stuck in the building for almost a day during the National Strike called earlier.
Apr 23rd, 2017 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Disarray is evident among those who a few days ago wrote in support of Macri's anti-riot, “legal order” actions against teachers and similar subversive forces.
Apr 23rd, 2017 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Any government that needs to use force against people shows weakness rather than strenght--and I find deplorable the use of such force in Santa Cruz province.
@ EM Do you think the police should have let the protesters tear CFK and Alicia apart?
Apr 23rd, 2017 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +6The problem here is that all the time the Kirchners were in power the province received extra money from central government to pay for the Kirchner supporters and, of course, to skim some off for the K's themselves. It worked well for them. They had a ready supply of local people loyal to them and ready to protest at will. When they lost power the fund returned to the regular rate and the province is effectively bankrupt. Why wouldn't the government employees protest when they haven't been paid in months? They hold the K's responsible and quite rightly so. The K's fed their rabid supporters and now they have stopped feeding them they have turned on them.
Meanwhile, the UK and its Tories admiringly keep following the CFK DOCTRINE!
Apr 24th, 2017 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse -4Withdraw from the world, stoke nationalism, and now...
Blame private enterprise and announce populist price controls:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/uk-conservatives-pledge-energy-price-cap-hitting-utility-091351384--finance.html
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
AO I don't think that T May is milking the system, do you evidence of that?
Apr 24th, 2017 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@EM
Apr 24th, 2017 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1All governments need to use force against some people, for example those who break into other people's houses, whether during a protest or not. Surely you agree with that?
I do agree that the government should be able to deal with most of the protesters peacefully though.
@DT
Apr 25th, 2017 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with your first and second points.
In addition, more information has surfaced about the incident, which began when calls to people to gather were disseminated through social media, provincial radios and two national media outlets. Mobile reporting teams of national media outlets TN, Channel 13 and America were coincidentally in Rio Gallegos and covered the incident.
There were attacks to a home with significant violence and material damages, as well as physical threats to the occupants. The event had little to do with employees requesting to be paid, as Elaine would have us to believe. This was physical aggression on individuals and cannot be supported.
Enrique Massot,
Apr 25th, 2017 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you get such detailed conspiracy theories?
I'm sure any news agency is likely to
pick up on news being broadcast on social media - you should know that, as a so-called 'journalist' yourself.
I think you may need to review the journalistic ethics of objectivity, truthfulness, and unbiased reporting.
Sr. Massot...
Apr 25th, 2017 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse -1Un chistecito típico sobre nuestro verosimil patriarca en común..., Celedonio Mariano Baez-Castex Segui-Unzué Massot-Von Think... ;-)
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/humor/rudy_paz/33861
@EM
Apr 25th, 2017 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you learn that? I'd like to know whether it was on social media first and the other outlets picked it up from there.
Do you think the police response was reasonable now you know the protesters were violent? And have any of them been arrested? It would be interesting to know if they are still in jail if so.
Sr. Massot...
Apr 25th, 2017 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0《“Where do you get such detailed conspiracy theories?”》...are you asked by a Kanuk Turnip...
《“Where did you learn that? ”》... are you asked by our Engrish Inulpamahuida...
It wouldn't be..., for example..., from yesterdays official denounciation of the episode by the Provincial State Prosecutor, Ms Andrea Askenazi Vera..., duly reported today in an article on Pagina12..., the best Argentinean newspaper..., would it...?... ;-)
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/33831-denuncia-penal-en-santa-cruz
Inulpamahuida - cool! I'm tempted to change my name. Are there still 'scary' forests in the Andes?
Apr 25th, 2017 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it would be Pagina12. I even had a quick look on there when I was at work but didn't spot it. It doesn't tell me much more anyway, I wanted to know which were the two national media outlets that helped spread the word, and how much of a 'coincidence' it was that the TV cameras were there.
How is this different from the anti-Macri protests anyway?
Juppppppppppp....
Apr 25th, 2017 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Patagonia is cool and scary...
That's why it has always attracted people like Andreas Madsen or Doug Tomkins that did their best to... keep it cool and scary...
Not two..., but three National Media outlets...: América TV, Todo Noticias & El Trece casually present and transmitting life from one of the most far away provincial capitals of Argentina...
Notice the singular simultaneous similitude of the undertexts on the screenshots of the three most known Anti-Kirchnerist entretainers in Argentina...
https://m.facebook.com/CFKArgentina/photos/a.117210705010140.17503.115689108495633/1503565066374690/?type=3
Good for them. This country is entirely too safe and boring, don't let Patagonia go the same way.
Apr 26th, 2017 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those 3 networks told people about the protests in advance? Who is supposed to have arranged them anyway, the unions?
If you have anti-K networks then it's not surprising they turned up to film it I guess, but why are there 3 anti-K channels? Are they all owned by one group?
@DT
Apr 26th, 2017 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One way to begin to understand this and other aspects of the Argentina reality is to take a look at the Clarin group.
You may be an Argentine trying to become informed through a variety of sources, and read a few of the main newspapers, listen to a few radio statiosn, and later watch some TV stations.
You may see, hear or see a story treated in similar way all throughout, and then conclude the information is reliable. But is it?
In reality, you may have been receiving information from members of the Clarin Group, which owns hundreds of radios, television channels, online media, newspapers etc.
The group is extremely virulent and the Clarin newspaper does not hesitate to create stories that are works of fiction but sold as real accounts. It can create a reality of its own for many citizens who are its defenseless victims.
I imagine that even Argentina has defamation laws.
Apr 27th, 2017 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarin was running anti-K stories about corruption before Macri got in.
What happened? Nothing from the Judiciary.
CFK tried to counter with her own stories on State controlled media and the Football channel.
She tried to shut Clarin down by initiating media anti-trust legislation, but no legal challenges to the corruption stories.
Independent media like the BA Herald, got bought up by government pro-K media.
Very Orwellian, Enrique's CFK!
@EM
Apr 27th, 2017 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Todo Noticias & El Trece are owned by Grupo Clarín, so maybe it's not surprising they have the same news. What about América TV, that's not related is it?
Given that they are opposed to Kircherism, it makes sense they would turn up to film the protest against Alicia Kirchner. But you think they helped to arrange it too? Was it not organised by unions like the other protests we've seen?
And why are they so opposed to CFK anyway?
@Kanye
What kind of things did they publish while CFK was in power that could be considered libellous? The stories I have seen since then have mostly been about the court cases and investigations and those are real.
@DT
Apr 28th, 2017 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grupo Clarin and Nestor had an “understanding” from 2003 to the start of 2008. That deal went awry at that moment because of the farmers' protests regarding some changes in the retention policy that Cristina was pushing for. (There are also more entertaining and realistic reasons as why both corporations -Clarin and the Ks- ultimately grew appart).
Since the Farmers' revolt, Clarin resorted to agressively attack Cristina and her administration. The K's revenge (and probably the sole goal of their administration afterwards) was to attempt to destroy Grupo Clarin. The offensive included passing a new “Media Law” that would ultimately force Clarin to break appart, and subsidizing friendly media -creating new addict media outlets if needed- in order to lure the masses against Clarin.
Ultimately Cristina's strategy failed. Clarin is a well established multi-media group that has achieved the pole position in audience over the years. This fact alllowed them to convince the public that the new Media Law was a move to control freedom of speech and of the press. They also have an army of lawyers which appealed every unfavourable ruling so they could get by unaffected by the new law for about 5 years. Clarin has ultimately complied with the law since late 2014. Complied in their own terms of course.
@TF
Apr 29th, 2017 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, that's interesting. Why does Clarin care about the farmers particularly? Seems an odd thing to fall out with the government over. And what are these other reasons they grew apart? It seems like both would have been a lot better off if they could stop fighting each other, given all those things you mentioned.
Do you agree with EM that Clarin have too much power?
Also what is addict media? Axel Arg used that phrase as well and I could never work out what he meant.
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