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Falklands: Goose Green commemorates 35th Liberation day

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Falkland Islanders who were held prisoner in the Goose Green Community Hall by the invading Argentine forces in 1982, joined with members of the British 3 PARA to commemorate those who died during the battle to liberate the settlement which happened at 13:30 hours May 29th. Read full article

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  • Stoker

    I wonder why the Falklanders do not wished to be annexed by the Republic of Argentina? *

    * Don't worry......I know why ;-D

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Brasileiro

    Independence?

    Islanders will never be independent.

    Always needing something. This is not freedom.

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -7
  • Brit Bob

    Didn't Argentina inherit the Islands from Spain?

    Falklands – Uti Possidetis Juris (II):
    https://www.academia.edu/33316156/Falklands_Uti_Possidetis_Juris_II

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Clyde15

    Bras.
    At least they have a choice to remain associated with the UK OR to go for independence.
    It's their choice and nothing to do with Argentina OR Brazil. They seem to be happy enough with the status quo.

    By the way, where is the link to a meaningless video that you invariably show.

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Brasileiro

    “Status Quo”

    Good!

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • darragh

    Far be it for me to disagree with MercoPress but wasn't it 2 Para that liberated Goose Green not 3 Para.

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jo Bloggs

    darragh
    3 Para is here presently and they joined in for the service. It does read corectly but I can understand how you might think it's an error.

    Jun 04th, 2017 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    Wasn't Goose Green the case where the argies surrendered to a much smaller and more lightly equipped British force? Weren't the argies supposed to have had a 3-to-1 advantage against the British based on their prepared defensive position? And did they not hold a little parade just before surrendering? Nearly 1000 argies surrendered to a much smaller British force that was nearly out of food and ammunition?

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse -8
  • darragh

    Jo Bloggs

    Thanks for that.

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Liberation day hahaha, day of new usurpation
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-iv/

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Marti Llazo

    Malvado 1833

    184 years. Longer than many countries have existed.

    Get used to it.

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • HughJuanCoeurs

    Poor old Hepatia. Again with the old “England will return the Malvinas within 25 years” BS.
    #1 Yes, we have no Malvinas...
    #2 England doesn't have the wherewithal to return the FALKLANDS (please learn the difference between “England” and “The United Kingdom of Great Britain”
    #3 The United Kingdom of Great Britain won't be returning the Falklands to Argentina without the express wishes and permission of the Falkland Islanders
    #4 It ain't going to happen

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Brit Bob

    Hepatia

    Can't be returned as the Islands have 'never belonged to Argentina.'

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Islander1

    Martin- Yes correct- 1200 plus Argentines marched out into a filed-sang their National Anthem and threw down their rifles - the 600 or so of 2 Para down to about a magazine of bullets each said after “ well just as well as they threw their guns down - as had that many come towards us with so little ammo left we might have had to sing our anthem and chuck our rifles down”
    Not quite sure they would have done so though!
    It was the 3rd big psycho mental blow to the Argies:
    1- Vulcan bombing Stanley and thus preventing their fast jets using it as a refueling base,
    and meaning they had to withdraw some good fighter planes back to defend central Arg should the RAF bomb there.
    2- Sinking of Belgrano by a nuclear hunterkiller Sub- made their Navy realise it stood no chance so all their main ships withdrew to ports.
    3- GooseGreen- loss of first land battle to a smaller and less heavily armed attacker- against all the normal rules of land warfare.

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Marti Llazo 184 years usurpation 1833-2017
    Longer than many countries have existed.
    Error, the Malvinas are part of Argentina even before it is an independent nation.
    Read and learn
    Argentine administration, 1810-1833
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-iv/

    Jun 05th, 2017 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Marti Llazo

    Malvado 1833,

    All those silly 19th century imaginings are of no consequence now. Perhaps you haven't heard that the island are British? And they'll stay that way until the joint occurrence of pigs flying and the Falklanders deciding perhaps on some other arrangement. Get used to it.

    -------

    Islander1: Some years ago I discussed the matter of the 1982 airport situation with a former RAF officer who visited us in Río Gallegos, a bit incognito in that his former work was kept mostly quiet. Apparently it was not the Vulcan raids that prevented the aerodrome from being made fit for argie fast-movers, but the lack of work done by them to make the facility suitable. There would have been a great deal of work to accommodate the fast jets, beyond the comparatively simple matter of lengthening the runway. It seems as though a good bit of steel matting was delivered early on but the surface preparation for expanding the runway couldn't be accomplished with the argie personnel and equipment on the island, and they quickly gave up on the idea, long before the Vulcan raids. The mat delivered for the runway then quickly found its way out to the trenches, where it showed up nicely on aerial recon photography.

    But the argie Skyhawks could have more easily been accommodated there with a little bit of work, and doing so would have greatly improved their capabilities. But the argie navy couldn't figure that one out, either. So many phenomenal errors on the part of their leaders.

    And speaking of psychological blows: there was an attempt by a damaged argie Mirage to land at that too-short runway near Stanley, but their own AA shot it down and killed their pilot. Another example of their lack of comparatively simple command and control. The result: fratricide. Or was we say, own goal.

    Then there was a case of the argie destroyers running away as the Belgrano was sinking, effectively assuring the deaths of many. Tragic, but very argie.

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    How could the Falklands be a part of Argentina, before Argentina existed Malvinense? Makes no sense, together with all the usual nonsense contained in Argentina's claims.

    There was a dispute between Spain and England that started in 1748.

    Argentina was never in the game.

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833 is a deluded individual who seems to spend his time inventing history for the sole purpose of posting here.

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Brit Bob

    Malvinense:

    Falklands- Never Belonged to Argentina :
    https://www.academia.edu/31111843/Falklands_Never_Belonged_to_Argentina

    Perhaps you would like to refer to the link that you have posted and 'state one aspect that Argentina has to put before an international court that supports her claim to the Falklands' ???

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • gordo1

    “1863 - Madrid, King of Spain recognizes the independence of Argentina” 30 years AFTER Britain expels illegal occupation of the Falkland Islands by officials of the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata. Most civilians accepted the British invitation to remain.

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Roger Lorton How could the Falklands be a part of Argentina, before Argentina existed Malvinense?
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-iii/
    Dear Roger Your questions can be answered by Marcelo Kohen. In a debate on the islands perhaps? Accept the challenge?

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833

    More delusional ideas?

    Have you not seen my above post?

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Mr. Islander1...

    You say...:
    《“1200 plus Argentines ...... 600 or so of 2 Para... Goose Green- loss of first land battle to a smaller and less heavily armed attacker- against all the normal rules of land warfare.”》

    The Great Wiki (and I) say...:
    ~1000 Argentines ...... 700 or so Engrish... Goose Green skirmish lost to a marginally smaller but much heavily armed attacker..., if we don't “conveniently forget” them Harriers and the RN frigate that could have flattened Ganso Verde in a jiffy... in accordance with all the normal rules of land warfare...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Goose_Green

    Why do you Kelpers insist in lying about something thoroughly documented...???

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • ElaineB

    If anyone with access to the BBC wants a recommendation watch the Panorama programme Back to the Falklands - Brothers in Arms, broadcast last night. It deals with Falkland Island veterans from the Welsh Guards returning to the Island and walking the 90 miles to Stanley. All were deeply affected by their experiences and it leaves the politics of war behind to look at the human cost of soldiers from both sides. As one says “Freedom is not free; someone paid for it”.

    The humanity shown by the soldiers towards the Argentine soldiers in this documentary puts a lot of the commentators on here to shame. What a pity the Argentine veterans are still being exploited by their politicians to this day.

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Anglo Turnipette just above says...:
    《“What a pity the Argentine veterans are still being exploited by their politicians to this day.”》

    I say...:
    And the Engrish (et al.) veterans ain't still being exploited by their politicians to this day...?

    Geeeeeee.... this bird surely deserves to win this year “Red Poppy” award...

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Marti Llazo

    Mr Tinkle, the prominent argentine tactician, avoids the mention of the Goose Green condition in which the defenders had ample time to prepare their positions and thus in addition to their numerical superiority and presence of heavy weaponry which included formidable 35mm antiaircraft guns deployed in ground mode, enjoyed what is normally regarded as a 3:1 defenders' advantage. The argies surrendered because.... they were fooled. Argentines are routinely deceived and certainly so in this case. The argies' own after-action assessment reported enormous tactical incompetence in the conduct of the defensive operations.

    So blatantly did the argentine commanders give up in violation of their own rules that they were later prosecuted and convicted for their malfeasance.

    'Around 45-50 Argentinians were killed, and 'The Official History of the Falklands Campaign' conservatively reports 961 Argentinian prisoners taken, although as its author Lawrence Freedman noted “the counting process was possibly less precise than the number suggests”, and other accounts of the battle have reported a larger prisoner count.'

    Various reports of the number of argies taken as POWs varies and numbers as high as 1400 are recorded.

    Jun 06th, 2017 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Terence Hill

    Malvinense 1833
    “Questions can be answered by Marcelo Kohen”
    Kohen is a sophist of the worst kind as he continually makes assertions without the backing of legal judgements, simply his own personal opinion, which legally makes such claims worthless.
    For example in the publication Página12 dated Tuesday, March 5, 2013 he writes “This is a plebiscite organised by the British government”. Which is a deliberate lie as many independent publications and witnesses have attested, it was organized by the F.I. government. Then he attempts to discredit the referendum by implying that there is a prerequisite for the UN to be involved, where no such requirement in The Charter et al. Then he states there are categories of people under international law who are entitled to self-determination, citing the UNGA as his source. With very few exceptions the GA resolutions are not international law, merely advisements.
    It would seem that Sr. Kohen's blandishments have more too do with his continued employment by the Argentine government than with the reality of international law.

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Marti Llazo

    The surrender of the argentines at Goose Green:

    “........Some minutes later everything became clear as we watched about 1,000 soldiers marching up in files to surrender in the same way. It was an incredible sight. We held our breath hoping they wouldn't change their minds. It was a very significant situation. Here, the Argentines had all the resources to defend the settlement for a long time, but they lacked the bottle. This lack of will, evident throughout the whole Argentine ground defence, lost them the Malvinas. If their islands were such a precious Argentine possession, why were they not prepared to die to hold onto them? Clearly, the islands did not have that significance in the Argentinians' minds and the war was merely a device to distract the population from the desperate state of the government's fortunes on the mainland. I like to think that the evil that stalked the Argentine, in the shape of the right-wing dictatorship, was felled through the action on the Falklands and opened the way to a more liberal regime. That process started at Goose Green.....”

    (Major Chris Keeble's account of Goose Green - a reminder that argentines should be forever thankful for the British roundly kicking their little pink arses in that war, since it laid the groundwork for the end of their military government )

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Jo Bloggs

    Marti Llazo

    Great post. I've also wondered about their level of motivation. It didn't seem to reconcile with their supposed unwavering desire to get ahold of the sacred islands that they all believed were theirs.

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Pete Bog

    @ Jo Bloggs
    It is beyond my comprehension why Argentines want a country they know so little about (especially regarding it's distance from them), and where, if they are honest, they would not want to live. If I asked Marcelo Kohen what Swordgrass was and where it is found, would he know? Like their historic myths, ” the islands are always in our hearts' is another myth. The fact is, they have no interest in the islands whatsoever.
    The blindingly obvious reason many families from farming backgrounds emigrated to the Falklands, was not to be implanted, but because they were prepared to stick and thrive in the conditions. You would know more than I , but I believe when Chelsea pensioners were sent down there, they didn't all stay. And Britain, unlike Spain, never sent convicts down there. In fact it betrays the United Provinces 'at arms length' attitude to the Islands that they wanted convicts there, rather than people who wanted to settle . Let's face it, in the 19th century the Islands were isolated, and while I experienced good weather there, it can be rough at times (like here in Staffordshire where hot weather has been followed by a gale). As Major Keeble pointed out,he asked some of the Argentine soldiers, “Why didn't you fight if these Islands mean so much to you?” The irony is that the Argentines while alleging the UK are colonialist, view the Falklands simply as a piece of land, with no interest for the ecology, or the people or the real history in the Islands. To the Argentines , the Islands are merely a pile of rocks. This is a thinly veiled colonialist attitude which indeed Britain used to have but have since flushed down the pan of history.

    Incidently, has any Argentine government ever apologised to the people of Goose Green, who were crammed into the community hall in 1982 while their bedrooms were shat in?

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    Argentina's invasions of the British Falklands and British Antarctica are reminiscent of Italy's invasion of Ethiopia. With the exception that they have not yet been booted from British Antarctica. Argentina's plans to invade Chile in 1978 and again after 1982 remind us of the true nature of Argentina.

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Jo Bloggs

    Marti Llazo

    They are colonialists and not only that but they haven't thought through their plan to the extent of what they would do if they ever succeed or why they want it so badly in the first place. They have no idea. Even their greatest supporter on here calls the Falklands “them windswept rocks.” They remind me of the big drunk guy outside the pub giving the bouncers what for and threatening what he would do to them, if only his mates weren't holding him back. If his mates let go he'd shit himself.

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • MagnusMaster

    “They are colonialists and not only that but they haven't thought through their plan to the extent of what they would do if they ever succeed or why they want it so badly in the first place. They have no idea. ”

    Of course we have a plan: we kick out all the Brits from the islands, forever. And the reason we want them is so you stop thinking you are superior to us, and to stop thinking you own us or the whole planet.

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Kanye

    MM

    Inferiority Complex?

    Jun 07th, 2017 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    Magnus Minor,

    We see further evidence of the unambiguously delusional nature of the perpetually hissing argentines, forever forgetting their incompetent, impoverished sudaca backwater nature and in the most pretentious manner suggesting the unlikely event that they might be someday allowed in the same room as the big dogs, the responsible peoples, and the serious nations. It is the most remarkable and astonishing sort of abject blindness that keeps these yerba-sucking argentines from noting that they are loathed and detested by their many superior and more successful neighbours, reviled by their less corrupt equals, and celebrated by virtually all observers as the perennial poster-child laughingstock of an entire hemisphere, if not all of humanity.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • gordo1

    MagnusMaster

    “And the reason we want them is so you stop thinking you are superior to us, and to stop thinking you own us or the whole planet.”

    I think that statement is the most risible I have seen from an Argentine troll on Mercopress in all the years I have been around. In my long experience of living in Latin America the ONLY nation which is constantly viewed by its neighbours in the terms you use to describe the British is ARGENTINA! The arrogance of that nation is abhorred by all! And the only Argentines welcomed are their illiterate football players because soccer is the country's only successful endeavour!

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Pete Bog

    @MagnusMaster

    “Of course we have a plan: we kick out all the Brits from the islands, forever”.

    What you are advocating is colonialism, which is what you falsely accuse the UK of.

    The British Empire has long gone, get up to date.

    We don't need an empire, we don't need to control the world, we are great as we are on our tiny island.

    It is you with an empire on your wish list because you wish to emulate the mistakes that Britain made in the past, rather than look to a progressive future .You lot keep rewinding to the 19th century, oblivious to the fact that the 18th, and 20th centuries existed, and that the 21st century exists now.

    Admit it, NO Argentine has the remotest interest in the Islands or even living there.

    Some BASIC knowledge questions for you.

    What are stone runs?


    What iconic flower grows on Mt Lowe?

    Where in the Islands does honeysuckle grow on Shanties?

    On which Island did a British church seek to educate Yaghan Indians from South America?

    Who founded Ushaia?

    “And the reason we want them is so you stop thinking you are superior to us, and to stop thinking you own us or the whole planet.”

    There's news for you. Few Brits are deluded enough to think they own the planet.

    If Argentina can't run itself properly, that's not the UK's fault, it's Argentina's fault.

    You want to become as good as the UK?

    Then do something about it and extract a digit from where it appears permanently stuck.

    Whining and wingeing about the Falklands will get you nowhere

    When you imperialists invaded the Falklands, that did not make the UK inferior to you, it gave the UK a reason to show why we are better than you. It is Argentina that gifted us that.

    It is totally within your power to try and emulate the UK but that's not going to happen, if you are going to play the victim card.

    Try setting some realistic goals. Taking the Falklands by Argentina, tells us something about the dreamlike part of your psychology that leads to the Malvinas Myth.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Jo Bloggs

    As I said in my previous post, the Argentines have no idea why they want the Falklands.

    MM
    Do you really think the world will look at you differently if you get ahold of my home? If you have such little respect for us Brits, why do you care what you think we think about you?

    ...and others from Argentina and from the Argentine Government keep telling us that the UK military garrison based here in the Falklands is unnecessary... well the only problem with that is Master Magnus Master and others like him reveal the true plan from time to time... and it boils down to Argentina's colonial ambitions in the 21st century.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    Ego is the little Argentine inside each of us.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ gordo 1 “1863 - Madrid, King of Spain recognizes the independence of Argentina” 30 years AFTER Britain expels illegal occupation of the Falkland Islands by officials of the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata. Most civilians accepted the British invitation to remain”

    D. No Spanish cession was necessary

    Uti possidetis iuris means that the territory belonging to the old colonial administration is transferred to the newly independent State. No express cession of sovereignty is required by the colonial power. The new State inherits the same territory by virtue of its existence as a State. The fact that Spain had not formally recognised Argentina, and only signed a Treaty of Recognition, Peace and Friendship on September 21st, 1863, is absolutely irrelevant for the sovereignty dispute. Moreover, by virtue of this treaty, Spain

    recognised the Argentine Republic or Confederation as a free, sovereign and independent Nation, made up of all the provinces appearing in its Federal constitution in force, besides the territories that legally belong or will belong in future to that Nation.22

    Article 4 further recognises the 25th of May, 1810 as the date of Argentine succession to Spain’s rights and obligations.23
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-iii/

    Fortunately exist internet, you can not easily fool people.
    @ Dear Terence Hill Marcelo Kohen transformed Pascoe and pepper in Clowns.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Jo Bloggs

    Colonialists. Argentina, the colonialists of the 21st century.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    Malvinense 1833
    “Uti possidetis iuris means that the territory belonging to the old colonial administration is transferred to the newly independent State” Wrong! it was only to settle boundary disputes between the countries that were signatories.
    “Of forty-three constitutions examined from the period 1811 to 1850. only one mentioned the uti possidetis principle. Article 7 of the Political Constitution of the Republic of Costa Rica provided..It has also been stated that the uti possidetis of 1810 was proclaimed by the Congress at Lima in 1848,49 but the statement appears not to be altogether accurate.” Determining Boundaries in a Conflicted World: The Role of Uti Possidetis By Suzanne Lalonde
    Regardless, since it’s a officialy claimed at the earliest in 1848 it couldn’t be applied retroactively to 1833
    as it’s barred under international law.
    Anyone who has studied the issue can refute Marcelo Kohen’s sophistry. http://en.mercopress.com/2017/04/27/falklands-airbridge-working-no-reply-from-argentina-on-a-second-flight/comments#comment466066
    No one has been able to effectively fault Pascoe and Pepper’s historical study.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833

    What more can I say than what I have stated previously? “Lies, fairy tales, myths, historical inaccuracies, pretentiousness of grandeur, etc. etc”. None of which convinces anyone - certainly not the United Nations which still fails to support Argentina's bleats and moaning.

    Y para que entiende mejor “Mentiras, cuentos de hadas, mitos, imprecisiones históricas, pretensiones de grandeza, etc. etc.” ¡pobrecitos!

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • MagnusMaster

    “The British Empire has long gone, get up to date.

    We don't need an empire, we don't need to control the world, we are great as we are on our tiny island.

    It is you with an empire on your wish list because you wish to emulate the mistakes that Britain made in the past, rather than look to a progressive future .You lot keep rewinding to the 19th century, oblivious to the fact that the 18th, and 20th centuries existed, and that the 21st century exists now.

    Admit it, NO Argentine has the remotest interest in the Islands or even living there.”

    You still rule the world with your American friends, you still have Malvinas and Gibraltar, and you still impose your language on the entire planet. And you still think that you are superior to us. Until we get Malvinas, we will not have a progressive future, because you took our dignity and humanity along with Malvinas. We don't want Malvinas because we want to live there, we want Malvinas so that you do not think you own us ever again.

    “You want to become as good as the UK?

    Then do something about it and extract a digit from where it appears permanently stuck.

    Whining and wingeing about the Falklands will get you nowhere

    When you imperialists invaded the Falklands, that did not make the UK inferior to you, it gave the UK a reason to show why we are better than you. It is Argentina that gifted us that.

    It is totally within your power to try and emulate the UK but that's not going to happen, if you are going to play the victim card.:”

    Wrong. Only with Malvinas we will be as good as the UK, until then we will always be your slaves and we will always be inferior to you, because that is you Brits only respect the strong, and clearly since you have taken Malvinas from us and still keep it you will not respect us until we take them back.

    “MM
    Do you really think the world will look at you differently if you get ahold of my home? If you have such little respect for us Brits, why do you care what you think we think about you?”

    Humans respect the strong, not the weak. Until we take Malvinas, we will always be weak.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • DemonTree

    @MagnusMaster
    What if we changed our minds and handed the islands over tomorrow willingly, would that make you strong? Or do you think you need to invade again and win a war?

    You have some very strange ideas, to believe that someone can take your dignity and humanity in such a way. I was always taught those are things that come from inside oneself.

    And I don't think it's true that humans always respect the strong. We may be forced to do want they want, but that's not the same thing as respect. The USA is the strongest country, do you respect them? How about China and Russia?

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Jo Bloggs

    You're one screwed up, sad individual, MM. If this is the way a significant number of Argentines feel, and if your Argentine government ever decides to give the ICJ a go, I am sure the ICJ will think quite poorly of your reason for wanting my home:

    “Humans respect the strong, not the weak. Until we take Malvinas, we will always be weak.”

    Get over it MM. Oh, and by the way, fetch me some bananas from the plantation.

    Jun 08th, 2017 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • gordo1

    MagnusMaster

    You are a sick individual - I really feel sorry for you! You should see a psychiatrist, there are, I believe, many of them in Buenos Aires - so take your choice from the Yellow Pages.

    Jun 09th, 2017 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Jo Bloggs

    MagnusMaster
    With what tag did you contribute on MP with before MagnusMaster? Have we seen your efforts under another name? You remind me bit of the bitter individual that used to call himself Tobias, then Toby, than Truth Telling Troll, etc. The only difference is that Toby claims to believe the Falklands belongs to the Falkland Islanders. Perhaps you have just changed MagnusMaster's bio a little more to throw us off. Or perhaps you're not him at all but just another bitter and very twisted individual.

    What's your history on MP?

    Jun 09th, 2017 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • darragh

    Magnus

    My God you are one sad bunny if you think that something that happened or may not have happened nearly 200 years ago took away your 'dignity and humanity'.

    You say that “since you have taken Malvinas from us and still keep it you will not respect us until we take them back”.

    Do you think the British 'respected' you in 1982 - really!! - They respected you so much that they sailed 8,000 miles to kick your arses - that's how much they respected you - not in the slightest - no more than a cat respects a rat that is trying to muscle in on his territory.

    Grow up man!! - Get over it!! Move on and try and make something of yourself and your country and stop whinging and whining like a 5 year old who.

    Jun 09th, 2017 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Marti Llazo

    When Colombia lost what is now Panama, did it forever take away their 'dignity and humanity'?

    When Japan lost the Kurile Islands, did they openly and endlessly whimper about a loss of their 'dignity and humanity' ?

    When Finland lost the Kurelia, did the country roll up into a fetal position and cry about losing its 'dignity and humanity' ?

    The successful nations know when a national policy of crying over spilt milk is pointless. Perhaps this is one of the reasons Argentina cannot count itself among them.

    Jun 10th, 2017 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • MagnusMaster

    Successful nations don't let the Brits dominate them.

    Jun 10th, 2017 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    MenosMaster,

    Successful nations, however, do learn to work cooperatively with others to ensure mutual benefit. This is something that peronismo does not permit,and the reason why Argentina remains the North Korea of South America.

    The UK does not “dominate” Argentina. La Argentina es dominada por su propia autoimpuesta cultura de cuco -- asustada día y noche por los poderes imaginarios de distintos paises verdaderamente desarrollados.

    This imposes on the country a counterproductive attitude, an attitude that replaces integrity and enterprise with dishonesty, arrogance, and the inevitable worship of corruption and deceit. But Argentina only succeeds in deceiving its own. Small wonder that Argentina's attitude generates a culture that ensures its continuing failure, and its permanent position among the sudaca backwaters.

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • The Voice

    Magnus Master are you this week or last week, I'm confused?

    You really are a sad person, are they all like you?

    Grow up!

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kanye

    Magnus Master

    “Successful nations don't let the Brits dominate them”

    Argentina is not successful, therefore it is no shame that they are dominated by Britain and others.

    I question your vanity that makes you think only Britain dominates you.

    Surely, the USA, Venezuela, China, Iran, and Brazil dominate you also, and dictate terms.

    You must be feeling very low.

    You might gain comfort commiserating with the one now referred to as “Neandertroll Nostrils” who claims to be a countryman of yours, but lives in Fairyland.
    You sound a lot alike, with same Inferiority Complex and Low self-esteem.

    As you try to go to sleep, keep dwelling on your declining global influence and relevance.

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Why have Argentines got such a low opinion of themselves, maybe it is the Spanish and Italian blood flowing through their veins.Get off your arses and do something for your country before it really does go down the pan.

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    PUMAS 34 ENGLAND RESERVES 38

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    Argentina as intellectual powerhouse:

    2014 patent applications by Argentine residents = 509

    2014 patent applications by Brazilian residents = 4659

    2014 patent applications by UK residents = 15,196

    2014 Productivity:Arrogance Ratio, Argentina: 0.07

    2014 Productivity:Arrogance Ratio, Brazil: 7.91

    2014 Productivity:Arrogance Ratio, UK: 12.24

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Roger Lorton, Pascoe and Pepper maintain that the Argentine government that issued the decrees was not legitimate and that Rosas declared all the acts performed by the government of Lavalle null and void.79 For a variety of reasons, the United Kingdom cannot invoke the “nullity” of the decrees passed to create the Political and Military Command and to appoint Vernet. Firstly, there was no such nullity, and even if it had been declared by the subsequent government, it would not be opposable in the international sphere, by virtue of the principle of continuity of the State.80 Secondly, because the government that followed that which issued the decrees on June 10th, 1829, including Rosas', continued to act in accordance with the content of those decrees. Suffice it to note the official correspondence exchanged between the Political and Military Commander and the government of Buenos Aires between 1829 and 1831, as well as the attitude adopted by the latter when Vernet captured three American ships, and later over the actions of the Lexington.81 Thirdly, if the decrees were hypothetically null and void, the only State that could invoke such nullity would be Argentina. This conclusion can be reached by applying the provisions of the law of treaties relating to the violation of internal law by analogy to unilateral acts of State.82 What is more, the British protest of November 19th, 1829 had as its sole objective the decree dated June 10th of the same year. At the moment the protest was raised, the change in government of the Province of Buenos Aires had already occurred. Such an action would not make sense if it were directed to a government which did not recognise the validity of the act being protested. All this shows the futility of the efforts of the British pamphlet, as other British sources had previously attempted, to detract from the importance of the Decree of June 10th and the creation of the Political and Military Command of the Malvinas/Falkland Islands

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Terence Hill

    Malvinense 1833
    “Argentine government that issued the decrees was not legitimate” The decrees weren’t since Argentina cannot avail herself of the authority under international law.
    As she is explicitly barred under prior Anglo-Spanish treaties from ever holding sovereignty. Under Utrecht and Nootka Spain had promised NEVER to cede any of her territories, and gave permission for the UK to continue further development in Islands, in the event of a third parties' intrusion. Along with shared sovereignty of the islands from the 1771 Declaration. But even if these prior conditions didn't exist and the UK simply sailed over the ocean blue and took them, it was perfectly legal in 1833 to wit:
    THE RIGHT OF CONQUEST
    The Acquisition of Territory by Force in International Law and Practice by SHARON KORMAN
    “...Thus, in the Island of Palmas case, decided in 1928, an international tribunal of the
    Permanent Court of Arbitration at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest
    as a mode of acquiring territory when it declared in its decision that:
    Titles of acquisition of territorial sovereignty in present-day international law are either
    based on an act of effective apprehension, such as occupation or conquest, or, like cession,
    presuppose that the ceding and the cessionary Power or at least one of them, have the faculty
    of effectively disposing of the ceded territory.10 That the tribunal's decision in this
    arbitration should have admitted conquest as a valid mode by which a state could establish
    a legal title to territory is not surprising. For conquest was clearly recognized by states
    as a valid mode of acquisition of territory, ...”
    10 Island of Palmas case (Netherlands v. USA) (1928), RIAA 2 (1949),ß

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833 is, I suspect, Marcelo Kohen in disguise. With more of his fairy tales, myths, mistaken interpretations of historical events and so on.

    Take no notice of him - it's just a load of codswallop! Shouldn't be taken seriously!

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Marti Llazo

    The failure of Argentina to take its case to the ICJ is rather unambiguous evidence of the poverty of its claim.

    Jun 11th, 2017 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2

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