MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Why many Argentines continue to support “corrupt” Cristina Fernandez
A majority of followers of ex Argentine president Cristina Fernandez “believe she is corrupt”, but far from questioning her “they think it is OK”, since “obviously she needed the money to get involved in politics”, according to Jaime Duran Barba, sociologist and chief electoral advisor of president Mauricio Macri. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Viveza Criolla” is the main reason why the Republic of Argentina is doomed to fail
Jun 08th, 2017 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse +3http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/argentina/viveza.htm
If they'd have put as much energy into their economy as they have put into their mythical Malvinas claim they would be rich country by now.
Jun 08th, 2017 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Because if you cross her, you'll die...
Jun 08th, 2017 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse +3https://panampost.com/marcelo-duclos/2017/06/05/death-of-financial-consultant-to-kirchner-family-stirs-controversy-in-argentina/
Everybody knows that the country's sinking
Jun 08th, 2017 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Everybody knows that La Yegua lied
Everybody's got this dirty feeling
Like another prosecutor just died
Everybody knows that the bitch is lying
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows that honesty lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor got poor, the bitch got rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Interesting article designed to get a headline and promote a book. That aside it definitely equals the views of her supporters I met. When I talked about her rampant corruption they agreed it happens but 'they all do it'. And there was a certain admiration that she was in a position to do so, implying that in her position they would do the same.
Jun 08th, 2017 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I think this aligns with the comments we have discussed in depth here. Corruption is inculcated in Argentine society. It would require a massive shift in culture for it to become unacceptable. That said, it is often cited as bad in an opponent but absolutely fine in the candidate they support.
What hope is there for a nation with these attitudes? How can anyone trust any deal with them, trade or otherwise? No hopers....
Jun 08th, 2017 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1As for our Falkland Islands coming under Argie administration!
Don't buy Think's horsemeat, it's probably donkey...
“If you look at it from a scientific point of view, don't ever think that those who do not follow your line of thinking are idiots. They are not idiots!! They only have a different vision.”
Jun 09th, 2017 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse -1Is what this Macri supporter says correct, Enrique?
You just have a different vision?
Argentine citizens have the mantra “ better the devil you know than the devil you don't know ”
Jun 09th, 2017 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bus drivers are not “very poor”, their income is above median.
Jun 09th, 2017 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the matter with these people, she is a fruit cake...
Jun 09th, 2017 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse +1Stoker..., Brit Bob..., Imoyaro..., MartiLlazo..., ElaineB..., The Voice..., Kanye..., Golfcronie..., Don Alberto..., Teaberry2...
Jun 09th, 2017 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse -4Here you are hiding...!
The whole AngloTurnipstan National Team whoreshipping Cristina...!
We miss your“ profound political insight” on minor issues like yesterday's UK elections..., guys
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Think
Jun 09th, 2017 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +1UK elections - we have a Conservative government which carries the endorsement of our Head of State. Service as usual - maybe not to the liking of all of us but c'est la vie!
Democracy has prevailed as is our tradition!
Thinko,
Jun 09th, 2017 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“minor issues like yesterday's UK elections”
Democracy isn't a “minor issue”. It is not perfect and may not always produce the best result but it is better than many alternative systems.
The way I see it, there was a movement involving fake news and misrepresentation that resulted in the “surprise” Brexit and US election results and looked like they might be followed with European elections that would keep moving in the same direction...except they didn't. It is as if these results were a wake up call and the pendulum is now starting to swing back. The European election results and yesterday's UK election result show the same trend. As people looked past the fake news and media misrepresentation Jeremy Corbyn's ratings steadily improved when people took the time to look at what he actually said, not what his opponents claimed he had said. So the UK election is not an issue (unless you are one of those pushing for more isolationism etc.) and I think it is a reflection of a more responsible electorate which has to be a good sign.
...and with Donald Drumpf's approval rating currently at 36% it looks like the pendulum is swinging back in the USA too.
I'm not sure that I would claim to having “profound political insight” but when Theresa May called the election I did say at the time that I thought it was a very risky move since recent election results had shown that democracy had become very unpredictable so she may get a nasty surprise. I was correct, it was a disaster for her! She is still there but in a very much weakened position. She's hanging on by a thread!
If you accept my thesis above, the next question is: Where is Argentina in this process? To what extent is the Argentine electorate forming their opinions based on facts rather than personalities, misrepresentations (e.g. Ks taking credit for Macri's achievements) and other misinformation? It seems like they still have some way to come if they find CFK's corruption acceptable.
Tinkle, since I live in Argentina and I'm not British, and I am more familiar with the effects of Kirchnerist corruption here than distant British elections elsewhere, it's almost reasonable to comment on the former.
Jun 09th, 2017 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Here is a simple test for which I doubt Tinkle is intellectually or ethically prepared: of the serious nations that have weighed in on the matter, which of those have widely and roundly indicated support for the present direction of argento government, versus a longing for Kirchnerismo?
It would appear that only those of a criminal nature or the excessively blind are supporting that particularly vile strain of peronchismo.
Tinkle, not the result many were looking for, but heyho Theresa May was voted in and we move forward. Of course it is a “ minor issue ” for you but then you do not applaud “ democracy ” being a contrarian.
Jun 10th, 2017 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse +3Not surprisingly, the statements of master of deception Durán Barba are being taken here as an article of faith.
Jun 10th, 2017 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Facing the likelihood of Cristina Fernández becoming a candidate in the October legislative election with polls showing significant support, the Clarín group, its friends and representatives are becoming alarmed.
Durán Barba rhetorical pirouettes about CFK´s alleged corruption (let's remember that not a single conviction has demonstrated such thing) tries to hide a simple fact: that a large segment of the Argentine population are now able to compare the real effects of the Macri government's actions on their day-to-day life with the propaganda barrage they are fed every day from the dominant media led by the Clarin group.
The ridiculous argument, abundantly espoused here, that Argentines are all corrupt anyway, resurfaces every time things don't go according to the very conservative thinking predominant in this forum.
Oh, and talking about corruption, expect to see pretty soon interesting developments in the Correo Argentino case, in which measures taken by the Macri government aimed to benefit the Macri family empire in a blatant example of conflict of interest.
@ Henry the K Mascot
Jun 10th, 2017 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hey Kamerad/Komrade Rique, aren't you always saying that people who launder money in Panama are corrupt? Except of course when they are “Populist” National Socialists like you? You are as always a lying, despicable, hypocrite!
https://panampost.com/karina-martin/2017/06/07/us-sanctioned-venezuelan-vice-president-accused-of-money-laundering-in-panama/
Reekie is determined to remind us that the argentines are incapable of properly governing themselves, and in such absence the most-corrupt option is his preferred choice.
Jun 10th, 2017 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +5On the other hand, as the representatives of the more serious nations discuss the less than ideal progress of the country, no-one with any degree of decency is expressing a longing for the Kirchner days.
As I said, those who take a one-sided story based on master of deception Duran Barba as article of faith show a very or understanding of the current situation in Argentina.
Jun 10th, 2017 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Duran Barba, a Macchiavelian if there ever was one, attempts to explain the utter failure of the Macri government as the Argentines' preference for the alleged corruption of former president Cristina Fernandez over the alleged corruption of current president Mauricio Macri.
Which of course is a total fallacy.
Oh, and to Marti: what the “representatives of the most serious nations” think has no relevance to the electors in Argentina, whereas it may be important to Macri as it is to Marti.
We are no longer a colony my dear friend, even if a few still believe such thing.
Reekie reminds us of that curious class of argentines for whom the country's status as perpetual pariah nation, forever in default for its debts, concealing its massive degrees of poverty and crime, and unable to access normal sources of financing, was considered a Truly Wonderful Condition.
Jun 10th, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4@Marti
Jun 12th, 2017 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse -6A most pathetic attempt at deception
The current government presided by Mauricio Macri is borrowing at scandalous interest rates and what's worse, doing so just to keep the lights on (no capital investment--just operations with historical high fiscal deficit).
A few are making scandalous profits with the borrowing deals--commissions, contracts to friends, etc.
Repayment will be on the back of other Argentines who did not participate of the party.
When the s...t hits the fan, Marti and similar characters will blame a “curious class of argentines” (those who work day to day of course) have “mindlessly borrowed” and now are in trouble to pay back.
Those people will of course spare Macri and his acolytes, who will be for nothing in the whole scheme but will have multiplied their fortunes in the process. Those few are the only ones that will end up being in a “Truly Wonderful Condition,” as our friend Marti described above.
Reekie: “borrowing at scandalous interest rates”
Jun 12th, 2017 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse +6Reekie seems to be unaware that Argentina's current borrowing rates are about half or less than those during the Kirchner years. That is, when Argentina could find anyone willing to loan money to the Kirchners at any rate at all.
In January this year, the Argentine government was selling 5-year bonds for an annual interest rate of about 5.6 percent. Kirchner was paying about 15 percent during her reign.
Though corruption comes quite naturally to Argentina, we must remember that no government in its history could match the sort of corruption and theft that characterised the Kirchner years.
Marti should take out his pink-coloured glasses.
Jun 12th, 2017 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse -7“In January this year, the Argentine government was selling 5-year bonds for an annual interest rate of about 5.6 percent,” he states.
Compare this to what the Financial Times published last month:
“...interest rates in Argentina were unexpectedly raised by 150 basis points to 26.25 per cent last month.”
https://www.ft.com/content/88f513fa-2e6b-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a?mhq5j=e1
And then, our distinguished professor Marti lectures us (after bashing Argentina as usual--hey, he does not risk much in MP):
”...no government in its history could match the sort of corruption and theft that characterised the Kirchner years.'
But wait a bit. There are several ongoing legal actions against Macri concerning the Panama Papers and undeclared offshore accounts; the Correo Argentino's attempts to condone more than 90 per cent of a debt of the Macri Group with the State; and the more recent case of bribes paid by Brazilian contractor Odebretch to Gustavo Arribas, Macri's appointed chief of intelligence services.
Marti should provide some help to judges that haven't been able to come up with evidence to convict CFK--almost almost two years after her term as president ended.
It remains to be seen how Macri fares on his own trials.
The subject of the press note tells it all: even the Kirchner supporters acknowledge that she is corrupt. If the coming convictions of CFK were done were more quickly, reekie would moan and whinge that it's all the result of kangaroo courts.
Jun 12th, 2017 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Reekie's understanding of argie economics is predictable. 5-year dollar-denominated bonds at 5.6 percent annual interest sold to foreign investors are not meant to be compared to domestic peso-denominated bonds with understandably higher rates, given the high inflation rates in this country. Peras con manzanas, pibe.
That reekie, so much he doesn't understand, or simply confuses.
But there is one thing on which we can agree: Argentina is synonymous with “corruption.”
Kamerad/Komrade Rique's walls of verbiage distill down to a few simple phrases...“She dudn't know nunna dose guys!”....“You'll never take her, Copper, NEVER!” ...and finally, “What? It fell offa truck!”
Jun 12th, 2017 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Oh yeah, dollars and pesos...how confusing, eh?
Jun 12th, 2017 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -5However, no matter how Dr. Llazo tries to muddle the waters, fact is, Argentina has been--and still is--borrowing foreign funds like there is no tomorrow. Foreign media are not talking much about it because many are making huge profits by with the famous Lebac bonds, coupled with the freedom of taking their profits away at any time.
All the borrowing is not feeding any productive investment--it only feeds short-term speculation--and will eventually end up with one more of the crisis Argentina knows so well from previous similar schemes.
Which again shows clearly that the wealthy classes do not care much about Argentina--that is what offshore accounts are for. That is something we can really all agree.
Reekie is so far from understanding what is going on here in Argentina.
Jun 13th, 2017 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse +7Maybe he can find someone to read the media reports about public works expenditures here. I mean, other than Kirchnerism's over-paying people like Lázaro B, now in jail, for paving the little-traveled back roads of Santa Cruz province whilst the more important infrastructure of the country fell to pieces.
“El Gobierno duplicó la ejecución de obras públicas desde enero - Desde enero último, el Ministerio del Interior, Obras Públicas destinó $ 17.300 millones de pesos a obras hídricas, de vivienda y obra pública”
Ergo, in the first five month of this year, the new government nearly doubled the public works (housing, flood control, etc) versus the same period last year.
Of course, to remote-reekie, the government isn't spending any money on this.
What an argie he is.
There are two kinds of people who support a government such as that of Mauricio Macri:
Jun 13th, 2017 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Those who profit from its policies, which is reasonable. Family members, large landowners, bankers, corporations benefiting from wide-open imports are among those praising Macri.
The second sort is the most interesting; it's made up of those who don't benefit but somehow have come to believe the spiel that today's belt tightening will mean improvement--some time in the future. Of course, such future is like mirages--you see them in the distance but they never come to fruition.
This kind of electors take time and need to suffer several shocks in order to shake their belief. After all, it's hard to admit one's mistakes. However, once reality hits not one but several times--for example, when thousands of retirees see the end of their free or partially free medication--disenchantment begins.
We don't know where Martillazo is benefiting or not from Macri's current economic measures--certainly he is hard at work to spread the government's propaganda even as he keeps bashing “argies” with enthusiasm.
Current “public works investment” is a short-term injection of money designed to gain some traction in anticipation of the October legislative election.
There is no magic making reality one's desires, as Martillazo appears to believe. What this ex-pat says from afar, or what Marti posts in MP has zero influence on what will happen in Argentina. It's like watching Donald Trump at work in the U.S. One may be in utter disbelief, but in the end it will be up to the U.S. electors--as to Argentines--to keep endorsing those people, or to dump them in history's garbage can.
Sure, reekie, sure.....
Jun 13th, 2017 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“Chancellor Angela Merkel has praised Argentina for its 'courageous reform path', which she said is making the country economically stronger and more open......”We are happy that we are partners in a world that believes in rule-based cooperation, and we support Argentina in its reforms. '
“Japan’s PM Praises Opening of Argentinean Economy under President Macri ”
“U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew on Monday issued a stamp of approval to Argentina's economic reform efforts..”
2016: ”IMF Praises Argentina for Accurate Statistics, Might Lift Censure from 2013..... Argentina was reprimanded in 2013 as both the consumer price index (CPI) and gross domestic product (GDP) official data under the previous Cristina Kirchner‘s administration were considered unreliable.“
”US President Barack Obama threw his weight behind Argentina's new centre-right government, saying he was 'enormously impressed' ......”
Well if there is one thing Kamerad/Komrade Rique has personal experience with, it's getting dumped in history's garbage can...
Jun 13th, 2017 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +5@ Martillazo
Jun 14th, 2017 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -4(Includes praise for the Macri government...from Angela Merkel, Barack Obama...and the always well remembered IMF not less).
Martillazo should also ask some Argentines...those who don't belong to the 1,000 families that are the only ones benefiting from the current situation.
Looks like someone has already asked the question, reekie. And Macri's approval rating is at about 53 percent.
Jun 14th, 2017 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Next door, Chile's socialist president and admirer of CFK, Bachelet, approval about half that, at 28 percent.
@Martillazo
Jun 14th, 2017 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -4“Macri's approval rating is at about 53 percent.”
It was. Not anymore.
“More Argentines disapprove of President Mauricio Macri than approve for the first time since he took office more than a year ago, according to a poll by consultancy Management & Fit,” notes Reuters on March 19. “Some 48 percent of Argentines think the economy will get worse in coming months, compared to 27 percent who think it will get better.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-03-19/more-argentines-disapprove-of-macri-than-approve-for-first-time-poll
Lies have short legs, Marti.
Look again, reekie, beyond the old news of March. And try to keep up with RECENT news.
Jun 14th, 2017 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“La aprobación de Macri repuntó en abril luego de dos meses de caída -- La imagen de la gestión presidencial recuperó seis puntos y se ubica en el 53%, aunque sigue más abajo en el conurbano bonaerense; se mantienen altas las expectativas de mejora ”
Enrique would be happy if the economy tanked and the people were in distress, if it would mean a lower approval rating for Macri
Jun 14th, 2017 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Looking at the recent news, and the topic of this thread, it appears as though Crooked Cristina is about to hand a splendid majority win for Macri's party in the next elections.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse +2Kirchner had a falling out with Peronism, with the Partido Justicialista, though I'm not clear whether she was essentially kicked out or whether she left in a huff. But it appears that she is forming her own party, something other than her FPV, to try to run on a new ticket. What that effectively does is create the opportunity for her to disappear politically into some sort of black hole, while at the same time further splintering the opposition to the Macri government. With Macri holding a fairly solid 50 percent or so of the voters, the other half of the pie looks like it may well be divided by a significant number of low performers. That could drive Peronismo into even more of a minority player in government. Stay tuned.
She screwed up the whole Scioli thing so badly, the party probably wanted her to toe the line this time.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse +1Her ego simply won't allow it.
In his zeal to prop current president Mauricio Macri, our distinguished Dr. Martillazo posts excerpts of media without a link--and expects to be believed.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Wishful thinking, as they say.
Those with fundamental internet skills can find and view sources without much fuss. For reekie and others with low skill levels it may be necessary to develop a short course on the matter.
Jun 15th, 2017 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Don't play the fool, Marti.
Jun 16th, 2017 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse -3Just post the link.
Oh, be quiet, EM.
Jun 16th, 2017 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse +2You post outdated stats and links to K propaganda sites.
As a Communist ideologue and criminal activist, you have been in exile from Argentina for 40 years, and never even visited
@EM
Jun 16th, 2017 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Marti has refused to use links since he tried three times to post the same set and then had to have it explained to him that this website only allows one link per comment now.
You can usually find the article by copying his quote and searching google for it. Here is the article about Macri's approval rating (in one of your favourite newspapers):
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2011259-la-aprobacion-de-macri-repunto-en-abril-luego-de-dos-meses-de-caida
And here is a story on CFK's new party: www.thebubble.com/cristina-kirchner-unidad-ciudadana/
@DT
Jun 16th, 2017 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Thank you for the links, although my purpose was to have Marti showing he uses La Nación as a source. (Wait to see the scoffing when I post a link from C5N or Página 12).
I will be curious to see how Macri fares in future polls after it was revealed his government has cancelled 160,000 disability pensions since 2016 (as many as 90,000 in 2017 alone). Pensioners discovered the cancellations when their monthly payments failed to arrive, that is, there was no previous process to determine whether the pensions were justified or not in each case.
After much public protests, Clarín has published that the cancellations will be reverted, but it appears to be another lie--instead, the government has given a telephone number where they will receive complaints for an eventual review of cases--another case of deflecting and delaying.
Oh, and the Bubble got it wrong: Unidad Ciudadana is not a new political party as it noted but an electoral front.
@Kanye
“Communist ideologue and criminal activist?”
Kanye, you are crossing muddy waters now. I now expect you to post proof of your totally unfunded allegations.
@EM
Jun 16th, 2017 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I don't believe Marti would have posted the link, but anyone can see that his quote comes from the La Nación article. However, since the article is about a poll the real question is whether the polling company is reliable, and do their results tend to skew in one direction or another. I'm afraid I know nothing about polling companies in Arg.
Cancelling pensions without telling anyone seems like a particularly incompetent thing to do, whether Macri is trying to run the country well or to make his buddies rich as you claim. It's guaranteed to cause unnecessary bad publicity and will probably lead to more trouble and cost in the end, as when he tried to raise the utility tariffs without the required consultation. That's just stupid.
What is the difference between a party and an electoral front? I would have though the electoral front would be an alliance between several parties, but that doesn't seem to be what the Bubble is describing. They said the new party is completely separate from the Partido Justicialista which she used to be a member of.
“ Cancelling pensions without telling anyone seems like a particularly incompetent thing to do”
Jun 16th, 2017 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Unless, of course, the person who had the pension was dead.
The pension reform is largely about clearing out the improper pensions that were awarded in Kirchner times, and the Kirchners were masters at fraud in this area as well. Actually, some of the remaining Kirchneristas involved in the pension scams are now being apprehended.
Why, just yesterday there was a bit of national news on the investigation of the spouse of a Kirchnerist legislator for some of that classic Argentine corruption: handing out phony pensions. (The husband, Jorge Omar Araujo, is president of the local Peronist/Justicialista party).
For those flojos who won't look for themselves ==> “ Investigan al marido de una diputada kirchnerista por el otorgamiento de pensiones truchas”
http://www.infobae.com/politica/2017/06/15/investigan-al-marido-de-una-diputada-kirchnerista-por-el-otorgamiento-de-pensiones-truchas/
Argentina has long been the poster child of fraud and abuse in pensions, and the Kirchners used such practices to garner voter support. Part of the reason that taxes in Argentina are so stupidly high is due to the high cost involved in paying for pension fraud.
Consider the reports coming in recently for places like aptly named Guanaco Muerto (Córdoba province - nowhere near the towns of Venado Tuerto or Pico Truncado) . For Guanaco Muerto we see the stats that 70 percent of the population of the place is receiving disability pensions. Plus 22 additional pensions for mothers having 7 or more children.
Enrique,
Jun 16th, 2017 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Tell us why you left in the 70's during Operacion Condor, and never went back for a visit?
@Marti
Jun 17th, 2017 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse -4Not surprisingly, Marti comes in defense of the Macri administration and chooses to blame the disabled. This is what distinguishes the Macri government from the previous one. Macri will cancel export taxes on wealthy landowners, agro business and mining companies, and by the same token cancel pensions on the weakest citizens.
It is possible that abuses may have been committed in the granting of pensions, for which a proper review process with notification to the individuals could have been undertaken. If fraud was committed, have proper process and penalties. However, to say as an official said, that those with Down Syndrome “are able to work” shows the level of insensitivity that is so common in the Macri administration.
@Kanye
I am waiting for you to post information in support of your claim that I am a “Communist and a criminal.”
From your irresponsible allegations, it's easy to see you lack maturity as well as capacity to conduct a discussion in a civilized way.
Tell me I'm wrong, Enrique.
Jun 17th, 2017 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Reekie is lying to us again, as a good peronist must, in suggesting that I am blaming the disabled here for the massive corruption that peronism has cultivated in providing unjustifiable pensions for its supporters, so that they can drink more deeply at the trough of public monies.
Jun 17th, 2017 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse +2You should have been around for the riots over pension “reform” during the Corrupt Cristina years.
@Kanye
Jun 17th, 2017 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse -3I already did say you are wrong. Now, I am waiting for you, “Kanye,” to support your allegations. Prey tell us what enables you to state, in writing, that I am a “Communist” and a “criminal.”
@ Marti
Weak post. “Reekie is lying again.”
“Not I'm not.”
“Sure are.”
“No way.”
“Oh yes you are.”
And so on...boring.
@ML
Jun 17th, 2017 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse -2“Unless, of course, the person who had the pension was dead.”
No, it is still better to tell people first. Governments always make mistakes, and no one is going to get any less dead while they confirm it.
Whether the reform is justified or not, we can see that it has created negative publicity for Macri because of the way he did it. That's foolish.
@EM
So what is Unidad Ciudadana? The Bubble said it is separate from the Partido Justicialista which CFK was part of?
The degree of Kirchnerist corruption in the pension business in Argentina is a national disgrace, though certainly a predictable one. But what else would one expect from Kirchnerism?
Jun 17th, 2017 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2News note: During the Kirchner era, “handicapped” pensions alone went from about 180 thousand to nearly 2 million. The note goes on to say that such growth in such pensions would only be expected in times of war or national catastrophe. But then, Kirchnerism was in itself something of a catastrophe.
“Durante el kirchnerismo, las pensiones por invalidez pasaron de 180 mil a casi dos millones - Sólo casos de guerras o catástrofes podrían explicar un incremento de tal magnitud en este tipo de beneficios ...”
http://www.infobae.com/politica/2017/06/12/durante-el-kirchnerismo-las-pensiones-por-invalidez-pasaron-de-180-mil-a-casi-dos-millones-de-beneficiarios/
In spite of the predictable public whimpering of the guilty, there is wide support here for clearing up the fraud and corruption in the phony-pension mess.
EM
Jun 17th, 2017 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1That's ok, your ideology is well
represented by your idealistic propaganda MP posts, and likewise, the 70's and the Operacion Condor purge were doubtless the reason for your shameful departure.
You have never returned to your beloved homeland ( which has moved on from the Socialist/Communist terrorism and violence of the 70's). One can only assume that is not by your choice.
It's not hard to figure out you must have broken the law, to explain your exile.
Oh, and for some reason, you harbour a grudge against the USA, to the point of gloating at the their misfortunes.
Am I wrong?
Tell me I am wrong.
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