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Falklands demining team have recovered over 3,000 anti-personnel mines and over 150 anti-tank mines.
SINCE their deployment in October 2016 through to June 2017, the BACTEC teams have worked on 47 minefield areas from Fox Bay, Port Howard and Goose Green to the Stanley area. The team will now leave for three months before continuing the current phase. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThat these mines were laid shows how little Argentina cares about our Islands and yet they bleat on about being incomplete without them.
Jun 24th, 2017 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Joe Bloggs.
Jun 24th, 2017 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +5True.
The inhabitants of the islands continue to exploit the war to attract tourists. When you get there all you find is a graveyard of war scrap displayed with “pride”, and then you see them on social networks begging support for the “question”. While they make money with all this, capturing the nationalistic feeling of the nation. Cheap populism. Do not forget your souvenir when you leave there...
Jun 24th, 2017 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -5MJA
Jun 24th, 2017 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Probably Hepatia appearing under another name. Cheap populism...isn't that what Argentina does continually. The latest joke at the decolonizing committee and the twats in T.D.F pretending that they are the rightful governors of the islands.
Argentina littered the place with mines in an indiscriminate manner and you think that is OK
Get yourself a brain...if such a thing exists where you come from.
With that attitude, MJA can take one home as a souvenir
Jun 24th, 2017 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jun 25th, 2017 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse -5Jo Bloggs
Jun 25th, 2017 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse -8That these mines are still there after 35 years shows how little England cares about our Islands.
MA
Jun 25th, 2017 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse +7The fact that the mines were laid shows how little Argentina cares about the islands or he people who live there.
Typical Argentinian.....mess up the place and complain that someone else isn't clearing it up fast enough.
Have you volunteered to pay for the mess you left ?
Poor old Hepatia. Again with the old “England will return the Malvinas within 25 years” BS.
Jun 25th, 2017 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2#1 Yes, we have no Malvinas... (Chile has some though)
#2 England doesn't have the wherewithal to return the FALKLANDS (please learn the difference between “England” and “The United Kingdom of Great Britain”)
#3 The United Kingdom of Great Britain won't be returning the Falklands to Argentina without the express wishes and permission of the Falkland Islanders.
#4 It ain't going to happen.
MaryJane Attorney
Jun 25th, 2017 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Very interesting comment and very close to the bone,
Marcoprat.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse +3Very simple- WE the people who live here- told UK- put us at the bottom of the list and concentrate on places in Africa etc where innocent people are/were dying from mines from civil/terror wars etc.
Our are all fenced off and we keep clear of them and have got used to living without those areas.
Now they are slowly being cleared- it happens to be a slow carefull job if you value and respect the life of those involved(we all know your army did not and does not) - yes its good to have those areas made safe.
Islander1
Jun 26th, 2017 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse -4I saw a lot of black men doing the demining, are not there British specialist personnel to de-mine?
Just Mary
Jun 26th, 2017 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse +3What's wrong with black men? Don't be so racist; the Zimbabweans doing the job are experts. The contract was awarded to a company with worldwide experience in mine clearance. I guess the UK doesn't have such expertise because mines have never been laid on U.K. Solid. Whereas in Africa they have had to deal with mines for generations.
Just Mary- Well there goes the comment of a typical nasty Racist Argentinian!
Jun 26th, 2017 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse +3Why does it matter what the skin colour is of a Deminer? As it happens - as Joe says - most of them come from Zimbabwe for good reasons.
They are a good bunch of guys- hardworking - several like it here so much that after the end of their contract with the demining company they have obtained local jobs and are now members of our community and Islands with their wives and families.
Along with the other 20 or so national backgounds of the folks who make up today,s Falklands People- and we all get along fine with each other.
Of course, Just- Mary is horrified to see people with dark skin. In his country, they killed them all off. Just another would be blackstabber like his faux hero , Martin Fierro...
Jun 26th, 2017 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1Bloody Mary demonstrates his/her/its racist attitudes for all to see.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Islander1 is quite right of course. The mine fields in the Falkland Islands have been under the expert control of the MoD's Royal Engineers' Explosive Ordinance Disposal personnel since 1982. The mine fields are all safely fenced off, marked and mapped. Since the end of the war there has only been one casualty. An RE officer working in a mine field last a leg; no civillians have been in any incident involving mines. On the contrary, many countries in Africa and elsewhere have mine fields- or more accurately, fields full of mines, that are ridiculously out of control, claiming casualties to civillians including children on a weekly basis.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The Falkland Islands Government made it clear to the authorities responsible for mine field clearance that they should focus their efforts on countries where land mines pose a much greater risk. In the Falklands we don't say we have a mine field problem, we say we have a mine field situation.
Just Mary
Which one of the dirty little trolls that come on here making multiple personas are you? You won't be new, we know that. Why do you keep making new personas? Why don't you just keep pumping out the same crap using the same persona? Is it because you realise the fool you are or because you think nobody will realise you're not someone new. Think about it and give me your answer using your own Voice.
Mike Bingham
How's your glorious career as a fake scientist going?
All those mines and no-one thought to take a sackful of them to the C24 (probably deactivated would be best) to demonstrate the last Argentine attempt to share their culture with people who really really don't want to be Argentine.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Missed opportunity...
“Multiple personas” my name is Mary Jane and I use Just Mary (too). What is your problem?...
Jun 26th, 2017 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -5And I made a question about the de-mine using the skin colour to be more specific, because I didnt know where they are. I dont have any problem with any kind of skin colour, I repeat, It was a question, now I know that they are from Zimbabwe.
.... oh! Zimbabwe was another colony of the UK! Sick of gold!!! I remember now!
So, all that coments about racism, you can keep them in your pocket! It's not an insult to say black, white, latino, asian, european...etc. You connect it to a peyorative “thing”, not me. See you....
PS: I am not argie!
JM
Jun 26th, 2017 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +3If not an Argie, why do you use peyorative instead of pejorative. You spelling looks like a Spanish pronouncation....certainly not English. Spanish speakers find the letter J as in English almost impossible to say as it comes out as Y.
The Scot's Guards, in the Falklands used the password “Jimmy” knowing that the Argies would say “Yimmy”
Clyde15 You're right, I'm not English, nor Argentine. Does it matter?
Jun 26th, 2017 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -5@JM
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the past some people have made multiple accounts here and pretended to be different people. Now everyone is paranoid about it.
And since you are attacking the UK and defending Argentina, people are bound to guess that you are Argentine. If you did the opposite people would probably think you were British (until they noticed your Spanish spellings). It's nice to know which country posters are from so we know how they are likely to be biased. :)
Just Mary
Jun 26th, 2017 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You didn't answer my question. Which persona did you use prior to this one?
Why not tell us a bit about yourself? By way of introduction I am a Falkland Islander and the Falklands is my home and has been the home of my family for many years.
How about you? What interests you to this site?
Jo Bloggs seems to be deeply worried about me. Previously I used the name Mary Jane. Do you have any trauma with the name Mary?
Jun 26th, 2017 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -2My interest is to read all the news in the world, and comment as anyone does. I have the right to express what I want.
Is there any problem? Does this affect you so much? ... What kind of tea are you drinking? Because it is seriously affecting you ...
What's your name?
Jun 26th, 2017 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Mary Jane
Where do u live?
Down the lane.
What's your number?
Cucumber
What's your shop?
Lollipop.
You do not have to take control of everything. The world is too big, and there are too many people, you will find some people who think just like you and others who do not, and will be reflected in the comments.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Pretending to know name, origin, blood type, religion, etc ... for every comment I make, it's crazy. Just accept the diversity of opinions, you can debate, but do not harass someone in particular by thinking differently.
Calm down Gal....
Jun 26th, 2017 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It's an English Children's nursery rhyme...
btw...How does your garden grow...?
Voice
Jun 26th, 2017 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's ok, Dorothy.
“Mary” sounds like Nostrils.
Mary, this was your first comment:
Jun 26th, 2017 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“The inhabitants of the islands continue to exploit the war to attract tourists. When you get there all you find is a graveyard of war scrap displayed with “pride”, and then you see them on social networks begging support for the “question”. While they make money with all this, capturing the nationalistic feeling of the nation. Cheap populism. Do not forget your souvenir when you leave there...”
Sure you have a right to express what you want, but don't pretend outrage when 'inhabitants of the islands' posting here get annoyed with you.
DemonTree
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse -4It is my opinion. I express myself freely. Another thing is to chase someone for giving an opinion.
Also, the twitter account of the islands (@falklands_utd) is usually quite provocative, do not you think? They will understand do not worry, they are equal or more acid than I.
Explain this to me:
The Argentines were forbidden to buy food, didn touch any civilian... Fairly respectful, to be a war ... the first to die were 3 civilians, when the British arrived, specifically, killed by the former British captain McManners. I do not see in that twitter account reminding those 3 civilians.
They celebrate 35 years of progress, when they have been there for 184 years. It means that the war favored them. Otherwise they would celebrate 184 years of progress. Besides Who celebrates a war? People died. It's like celebrating Pearl Harbor or Vietnam ... no normal human being does.
Expose military scrap, as coldly, as if it were a triumph, when human blood spilled ... does anyone have a veteran relative? Do you know what can cause repeat these images permanently ?. That warlike climate permanently generates disease, obsession, hatred.
And then, they beg for “support”, support for what? If they say they are in good law there ... it is contradictory. And people, after all those posts, have a right to say.
I knew this newspaper, for one of those posts .... Each of us has a stance on political, historical, etc. events. They can not avoid diversity of opinion.
It does not bother me at all that they answer me, but I do not ask anyone: origin, blood type, religion ... I do not care about that, I just focus on the subject in question. All other reactions speak more about them than about me.
@Just Mary
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that is their opinion. I am afraid you must expect to be chased if you continue to post here; your views are unpopular.
You know the @falklands_utd account is not an official one, right? It's just some guy trolling Argentina for fun.
“Explain this to me”
Not sure what you want me to explain. Even a 'fairly respectful' war is still a war. Invading and occupying people's homes is usually a pretty sure way to make them hate you, and they knew perfectly well what the junta had been doing to their own citizens in Argentina. If that twitter account mentions the 3 dead Islanders, no doubt it will blame Argentina for starting the war, and not Britain for accidentally shelling civilians.
“Besides Who celebrates a war?”
Argentina 'celebrates' the same war on the 2nd of April. But the proper term is 'commemorate' in both cases, it's not the same thing as celebrating. And celebrating progress after a war is entirely different to celebrating a war, anyway.
“And then, they beg for “support”, support for what?”
For their dispute with Argentina. Doesn't Argentina also say they are in the right, and then beg for support from Mercosur, from the UN, the OAS, and other organisations? What is contradictory about that?
You say it doesn't bother you that they answer, but apparently it does. Of course you are not obliged to say where you are from, but other people do care about that. They like to know who they are speaking to, and as I said above, to know if you are likely to be biased on the subject.
1) falklands_utd is “semi-official”, has more followers than the official ... and is backed by representatives.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse -32) It can not be charged 3 deaths to who did not commit them, would be unfair.
3) A war is commemorated with respect, not celebrated.
4) There are no semi-official accounts of Argentina, with more followers than government accounts, which also celebrates deaths, sunken ships, airplanes, etc. What would happen if they proudly published “the feat” of having burned Simon Weston? When in that account (@falklands_utd) they publish dead Argentine soldiers, helmets, the famous ARA Belgrano ... because for them that is a feat, and obviously can cause the rejection of many people, not only Argentine, those gestures are rejected by many countries. Many pacifist communities reject this. Others, believe that war is glory, when in fact it is hell.
5) Argentina does not beg for support in the International Community, because of the conviction of those countries that support Argentina's claim. I could recall Mike Summers' last speech at C24 instead...
6) And if I used the app to calculate the followers of that “unofficial” account, more than 50% is Argentine, I bet.
I think that from that account could strengthen ties with Argentina, not to exacerbate rivalries. If they tried a mutual approach, it would be more productive, more positive. Exchanging good things from each other. Who knows what good things might come up?
My identity (or origin) does not diminish the value to my opinions. So it's irrelevant.
DT
Jun 27th, 2017 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse +1If I may suggest, I would expect one could say thenIslanders “commemorate” the war and the Islanders and the British Armed Forces who stood against the Argie invaders.
The Islanders and the UK certainly “celebrate” the liberation of the Islands and the Islanders living under occupation and fear.
The civilian population was threatened, bullied, abused, violated, and suffered imprisonment and privation.
A million Argentines cheered in the Plaza De Mayo or whatever they call it.
This is not a small point.
The troll is very deliberate in his offensiveness towards the Islanders. It seems to be intent on convincing itself that Argentina carries no blame for a war and the needless deaths that followed.
Reminds me of Think/voice
Mary
Jun 27th, 2017 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3We see posters like you come and go all the time. They post all sorts or wildly exaggerated or downright incorrect information on here and say they have the right to their views. Where they fall down is that they always fail to show any evidence for their claims; they simply say they are entitled wto their views.
Everyone is entitled to their views but views but some views lack any credibility. Views like yours.
I'm not deeply worried about you and I don't need to do anything else to discredit you. By refusing to explain your credentials and explain how you claim to know things like “the inhabitants continue to exploit the war to attract tourists” you are doing it it yourself.
Please continue to post outrageous BS on here and refuse to back it up so that everyone can decide for themselves.
@JM
Jun 27th, 2017 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse +11. The truth is that people prefer controversy to boring official announcements. You say below that more than 50% of the followers are Argentine, perhaps they enjoy being offended? But if the Falklands representatives are backing it then that is not too smart.
2. If you start a war then you have some responsibility for the results, even if they are not what you intended. Isn't that why people say the US, and UK and other countries that joined in the Iraq war are partially responsible for the rise of Daesh?
3. Kanye is right, it's perfectly reasonable to celebrate liberation from a foreign occupation.
4. I daresay it's true that there are no 'semi-official' accounts of Argentina, but I have seen Argentines online boasting about sinking the British ships. Because for them it was a feat, an achievement of their pilots.
I agree this sort of thing is a bad idea; as well as possibly being cruel to veterans and their relatives, it can alienate people and create a bad impression.
5. Could you explain the difference? And what the twitter account says is not very significant, it's what the Falklands government does that matters.
6. Perhaps they could try and strengthen ties instead, but peace and love do not get so many twitter followers. In my view the problem is that neither side is interested in improving the relationship. Argentines see the Islanders as an annoying obstacle, and the Islanders see Argentina as a threat. Since both these viewpoints are pretty reasonable, how would you persuade people to try being friends instead?
Bloody Mary
Jun 27th, 2017 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse +3No matter what you say every single death and injury during the Falklands War can be laid fairly and squarely at the door of Argentina both the government and the people or at least those hundreds of thousands who celebrated in the Plaza de Mayo and other places in Argentina.
The actions of Argentine governments since (particularly under the Kirchners) have done nothing but exacerbate the situation.
You cannot be surprised by the Falkland Islanders distrust of Argentina and Argentine motives.
The only relevant fact is the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination. It is nothing to do with Argentina.
Argentina should have to foot the bill for the removal and any damages caused!
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +3DemonTree
Jun 27th, 2017 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“I agree this sort of thing is a bad idea; as well as possibly being cruel to veterans and their relatives, it can alienate people and create a bad impression”.
It is good that we agree on something, and I also think many, on twitter, answer provocations; argies and islanders.
“6. Perhaps they could try and strengthen ties instead, but peace and love do not get so many twitter followers. In my view the problem is that neither side is interested in improving the relationship. Argentines see the Islanders as an annoying obstacle, and the Islanders see Argentina as a threat. Since both these viewpoints are pretty reasonable, how would you persuade people to try being friends instead?”.
I think they could share the good things from both sides, culture, sports, music, get to know each other, give yourself a chance of friendship, that takes time, but it is not impossible.
I think that the British and the Argentines have very strong cultures, personalities and that leaving aside the differences, could be a “good team”.
South Atlantic football team (for example); Argentines and Islanders, in the same team, being playmates, not enemies. Would be a good start.
Logically they will find a sector saying: “Argentines are trash, islanders are another trash”; But there are people who do not think so and they could be the ones to make a better relationship. For the future of the islands, the children, the grandchildren, it is always better to be surrounded by friends.
And seriously, they could be the best allies. Both are obstinate, persevering, proud, passionate.
Work on the positive, and let go of all the negative.
@Just Mary
Jun 27th, 2017 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -5“I think they could share the good things from both sides, culture, sports, music, get to know each other, give yourself a chance of friendship, that takes time, but it is not impossible.”
Perhaps. But can they do that while Argentina is angry because the Falklanders are drilling for oil or because Britain has carried out military exercises again, and the Islanders are angry because Argentina is blocking flights and trying to stop cruise ships calling in the islands?
The war may have ended in 1982, but that doesn't mean they have stopped fighting, it's just carried on by different means. As long as there are real grievances on both sides it will be almost impossible for them to be friends.
I agree it would be preferable to have a good relationship, for its own sake as well as because it would give more options for the future, I just think there are good reasons why it isn't happening.
Now, I do think it is both possible and desirable for Argentina to have a better relationship with the UK, but that is not what we are talking about.
Mary Jane,
Jun 27th, 2017 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“I think they could share the good things from both sides, culture, sports, music, get to know each other, give yourself a chance of friendship, that takes time, but it is not impossible.
I think that the British and the Argentines have very strong cultures, personalities and that leaving aside the differences, could be a “good team”.”
What are you smoking?
“Leaving aside the differences...”
The Islanders wish to continue living their lives peacefully, but without threat, according to a Civil Code, International Law, and the UN Charter of Rights - which include Self-Determination.
The Argentines wish to take that Self-Determination away, impose an unpopular foreign government, occupy their homes and confiscate their natural resources and industries.
Quelle difference!
...and DT prattles on, “....they should all get along...”
Did you even read my post, Kanye? Because I'm frankly baffled how you could turn “As long as there are real grievances on both sides it will be almost impossible for them to be friends,” into “they should all get along”.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Just Mary:
Jun 28th, 2017 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse +5You claim the first to be killed by the British in 1982 were 3 Islanders!
You accidentally forget the mortar shells that came in through civilian roofs on April 2nd - luckily nobody was in that part of the house at the time!
Your forget the Blatant breaches of the Geneva Convention by the ARG army in deliberately parking heavy artillery guns in and around occupied civilian houses.
You forget the misinformation and incorrect information put out by the Int RedCross in error stating that there were no civilians living in that west end of Stanley where the Royal Navy shell fell short - Had the British not be falsely told there were no civilians in that area they would not then have targeted artillery guns that were close to the houses.
|You conveniently forget the Argentine Army Hand Grenades deliberately left behind under junior school childrens desk lids with the pin removed. Similar armed grenades left positioned between cargo in the civilian dock store sheds.
Sorry- Argentina - and every single one those tens of thousands who went out partying in the streets in Argentina in early April are directly responsible 100% for ALL the casualties in the war on both sides.
Yes this year we celebrate 35yrs of progress - in the way that the Islands have recovered from that conflict and all the damage inflicted as a result 100% of the Argentine Invasion - how we have moved on (pity Argentina cannot move on!) from that era both population numbers- economically socially and politically - from a typical quietly content little British Crown Colony - into the internally self governing open modern democracy that we are now - looking forward very much - but always remembering the human cost that cleared us of the yoke of Argentine Imperialism and gave us the chance to do with the Islands what we have now achieved.
I agree it would be nice to have better relation - but 12 yrs of Kirschener caused today,s hatred- so its 100% up to Argentina to start repairs
DemonTree
Jun 28th, 2017 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse -4And how do you plan to make things change for the better if the strategy is to do the same?
If you stifle roughness, and succeed in accepting each other, you might get what you want.
Exacerbating rivalries is pretending exactly the opposite.
I see it that way, you can not salt a wound, because it will never stop hurting. And with that rivalry, all that is achieved is not improving things.
I think young people can change things.
Ps: I do not think that the Argentines want to confiscate properties, and natural resources, or impose a foreign government, I believe in its Constitution says: respect and protect the interests of the islanders, and their way of life.
I think what they are asking for is dialogue.
Without dialogue, no stage can be closed.
To listen is not to resign.
@Just Mary
Jun 28th, 2017 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“And how do you plan to make things change for the better if the strategy is to do the same?”
You would do better to ask Islander1 or Jo Bloggs since they are the people most concerned. There is not much that I can do.
“I do not think that the Argentines want to confiscate properties, and natural resources, or impose a foreign government,”
I daresay they would not act like the military government, who after invading declared the people were under Argentine law and that the official language was now Spanish, forced them to use the (rapidly depreciating) peso instead of the FI pound, renamed the capital and other settlements which had been founded and built by the Islanders, closed the schools and fired the teachers, and exiled some people and imprisoned others.
But I doubt they would agree the islanders should keep all the profits from the fishing, and the oil if it's worth extracting, and I'm sure they would want to make it much easier for Argentines to move there, which would completely change the society if they came in large numbers. They haven't even agreed to use the people's name for their own town.
@Islander1
Grenades in school desks? I have never seen that in any of the official accounts. Is this something you saw yourself or was it a 'friend of a friend' sort of thing?
You said it would be nice to have better relations - and you do want something from Argentina - so now the Kirchner government is no longer in power is there anything you could do to improve them?
Islander1
Jun 28th, 2017 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Your comment is welcome to receive it, I liked it.
The Kirchnerists ruined everything, I think the Argentines showed they wanted something better for their country. They totally changed government. Now they must recover from all the moral damage caused by Kirchnerism.
Kirchnerism exacerbated rivalries between the nation itself. She exacerbated the islands issue, also with rivalry.
But the Argentines said enough. Now it is public knowledge that CFK is postulated, and I am sure she will not win. And if she loses these elections, it's the end for her.
Argentines are stalking her to go to jail.
But it is good that we agree that it is better to try to heal all those wounds, give yourself (argies and islanders) a chance to meet, to talk, to share something in common, sport, a talk, music, but something that brings you closer; I think if you let them know you, if you have bridges to make that happen, you will get good things. They can achieve an alliance of friendship for the future of the islands, coexistence. But both have to approach.
With the door closed, nobody gets anything. Argentines are not bad people, you either, bad politicians ruin everything. CFK brought fear into their heads, she put them on the defensive, to benefit herself.
Today Argentina is governed by an intelligent, calm, respectful person.
DT- Grenades under kids desk lids in the classrooms - no it came direct from the army lads who went in there to clear and check and make safe before locals did.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +6What do we want from Argentina? - the right to live our lives in peace and respecting the difference in opinions between us and to respect standard Internanational law- example- to allow an airline from one country to fly over yours on the way to another country - as per standard IATA rules!
Undo all the Kirschener hassle when she tore up agreements on Fisheries conservation and policing etc would help. Likewise on oil - with Menem we had our area- Argentina had its - and the bit in the middle was to be 50:50 if anything there. Cannot be fairer than that?
For them to honour their side in full of the 1999 Agreement - where they committed to doing away in schools and papers etc of their 1982 Dictatorship Islands names - eg Puerto Argentina and all the others.
There are just a few goodwill gestures Argentina owes us - we owe them none at this stage as they caused all the bad feelings.
They need to put their side of all that to right first - then- and only then- after a period of a few years when a bit of confidence and nicer atmosphere is settled - could we start looking at other mutual improvements as they arise.
Just Mary
Jun 28th, 2017 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You really are wasting your time and energy by making such outrageously immature, nonsensical and meaningless posts full of errors and lack of understanding of the legal position of the islanders.
May I suggest you just stay away, nenita!
@gordo1
Jun 28th, 2017 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no harm in her trying to persuade people to get along, even if she is unlikely to get anywhere. She even agrees with you on CFK.
We have enough real trolls on here, go tell them to stop posting.
@Islander1
It looked like at least some of those things might happen when Macri took over, but nothing has really come of it. :( They could have at least revived the fisheries agreement as that would benefit Argentina too.
I was trying to think of things you could do to stop antagonising them, but there is a big difference; the actions they object to are things you are doing to benefit yourselves, like allowing oil prospecting. The actions you object to are mostly things they are doing to hurt you, much of it is if anything bad for Argentina too, just to a lesser extent.
However, I do think it's a bad idea for your MLCs to endorse things like the #falklands_utd account which is antagonistic towards Argentina. Politicians should be more diplomatic.
As for Just Mary's suggestions, how about a regular school exchange trip with a school in Argentina? It probably wouldn't do any good, but it shouldn't be too hard to arrange and wouldn't do any harm either.
Just Mary
Jun 28th, 2017 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +5An apology from Argentina to the Falkland Islanders (and the UK) for 1982 would be a good start.
gordo1
Jun 28th, 2017 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Who are you to tell people to stay away...
Shall we scrutinise all your posts to determine whether they have errors or have value or meaning...?
A voice of Think
Jun 29th, 2017 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse +1“gordo1
”Who are you to tell people to stay away...
Shall we scrutinise all your posts to determine whether they have errors or have value or meaning...?”
LOL,
Moronic hypocrite.
You tried that. Remember?
It's not up to you.
Voice
Jun 29th, 2017 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0SCRUTINISE AWAY, NABO!
Gordo1, we shouldn't scrutinise your posts but you were well out of order.
Jun 29th, 2017 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse -1Demon Tree
Jun 29th, 2017 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1If my “sin” was so out of order why was no action taken by Mercopress watchdogs? Or have you been appointed to do their job?
Because being needlessly rude is not against the site rules?
Jun 29th, 2017 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Mercopress watchdogs...?
Jun 29th, 2017 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Mercopress only responds when abuse is reported...
The only watchdog I know of is the self appointed MuppetPaster...even he seldom intervenes..
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A_voice, AvoiceofThink, voice, etc., is the only poster I know of who has repeatedly and consistently told others that they have no business posting, are not qualified to post, or are not allowed to post because he deems they do not live in the correct place.
Jun 30th, 2017 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse +2Usually when he attempts a preposterous argument that holds no water.
He has to be reminded occasionally that it is not up to him...
I notice that “Just Mary” who pretends to be in favour of reaching out to the Falkland Islanders has not responded to my suggestion that 'An apology from Argentina to the Falkland Islanders (and the UK) for 1982 would be a good start'...
Jun 30th, 2017 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse +2I wonder why???????
Just a short question Mary Jane?
Jun 30th, 2017 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2We know that you are using the name “Just Mary” to have a second voice on your side of the argument. What we would like to know is how many other names you are using to support your side of the argument.
Until we get an honest answer we will have to just assume that the names of those who support your statements are in fact just other personas you are using.
MarkWhelan
Jun 30th, 2017 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The MaryJane id was just a name change to Just Mary...
Same account...and it's a very recent one...
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