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HMS Queen Elizabeth, the first QE Class aircraft carrier takes to sea for the 1st. time
The largest warship ever built in the UK eased into the Firth of Forth as it set out on two years of sea trials HMS Queen Elizabeth, the Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier, left her dock in Scotland in a delicate operation that took around three hours. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“You look at all the premier nations around the world and why is it that every nation in the top tier are investing billions of dollars in aircraft carriers? ”
Jun 27th, 2017 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Why? Because of some of those habitually misbehaving fifth-tier non-premier nations.
Sí, sabés quien sos. ¿Viste?
The problem is that helicopter carriers such as this ship provide no capability against countries such as the RF and, in the future, the PRC. This ship is the manifestation in steel of why the US needs to get out of NATO. Dump the bums!
Jun 27th, 2017 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Hepathetic is evidently unaware of the nature of protection against antiship missiles and similar threats. It is important to leave 1982 behind and acknowledge current developments. This includes a three-layer close-in anti-missile defence system with a convincingly high Pk.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse +2“It will keep us safe for decades” - what an appalling statement by the national traitor Fallon - how on earth will it protect us from ISIS and Islamic terrorism. It is just a benefit for his friends at BAE and the disgraceful trade union leaders who sell their souls to the military-industruial complex. I wonder what future historians will make of this absurdity. I do hope Fallon is brought to trial one day for his appalling behaviour in not safeguarding national security.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse -2Bloody Gordon Browns white elephant. Not needed. Meanwhile we only have about 19 other ships. Total waste of money to keep Scotland on side.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1Ah Hepatitus is a yank..thought so.
Within 10-15 aircraft carriers will be obsolete. Both because new weapons at sea are coming (heat cannons that can shoot from vast distances, and drones that will be able to sneak in huge targets like this and disable it with jamming signals or fry its systems), but also because the new generation warplanes produced around the world will focus on distance, and eventually you will be able to take off from anywhere in the world, do the mission and return to your home country all in one fuel trip, no need for carriers. The only reason carriers could still be useful is to accomodate the humans that pilot the planes: to combat fatigue. That is one expensive way of dealing with that issue, and pilotless warplanes are coming anyway.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse -1And that is just the main reason:
This new carrier has no aircraft until over half a decade from now.
And... it is a little outdated on the software front lol!
http://www.businessinsider.com/queen-elizabeth-aircraft-carrier-is-running-on-windows-xp-2017-6?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&r=UK&IR=T
Does the UK really have 3 billion to burn idly, or at the very least if you do get the best of the best and something that will be useful for many decades.
Hepatia
Jun 28th, 2017 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse +2As you continually parrot “ what has this got to do with a news site about the S.Atlantic” and still you comment
Helicopter carrier ? So the F-35 is a helicopter ? The US is building more and larger carriers so they are also wrong in their strategy.
India ,Russia and China are also building carriers as fast as they can.
So,it's only the UK who have got it wrong ? Not that you have an anti-British bias ?
“This ship is the manifestation in steel of why the US needs to get out of NATO.”
A pretty stupid statement but what we expect from you. You haven't thought it through...as per usual. I see that the USMC will be deployed on it with a flight of F-35's along with the Fleet Air Arm when she enters service. Your government and service chiefs seem to disagree with you but, of course, you know better than them.
PYT.
There are possible threats other than ISLAMIC fundamentalists.
The Voice
Of course we are back to our anti-Scottish rants. Are you saying that the ships were 100% Scottish designed and manufactured and that NO ENGLISH company had any input into their build.
Portsmouth, Birkenhead, Hebburn and Appledore built 7 of the ships structures to be assembled at Rosyth. In addition the main engines were RR., Wartsila (Finnish)
will supply the generators and Corus supplied the steel...no steel works left in Scotland.
The bulk of the cost apart from assembly will be made up from different sources...the UK component in England. As Bae is a UK company, the profits will be made in England.
in Rosyth the workers will also include people from all over the UK.
When the Carrier is based in Portsmouth then there will be an accruing benefit to the economy for decades...IN ENGLAND !
As for Gordon Brown, I presume that he and the cabinet took advice from the service chiefs on this matter. Would your Tory chums have done anything different ? Maybe cancel it ?
We could get some more frigates if they dumped the HST which will benefit only the S.E.
Irrespective of where this ship was built or based is irrelavent and not needed. We need to protect our borders and our coastline and do less around the world. More smaller ships and less huffing admirals penis substitutes is the way to go. Brown seriously damaged everybody's wealth and we are still suffering from his legacy.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1TTT
Jun 28th, 2017 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I note what you write BUT the technology you speak of is a long way off and unproven.
It will take decades to come to fruition and something may have overtaken it by then.
Something is needed in the next decade and a carrier obviates the need to rely on ground bases and overflying “hostile” countries. I can only presume that the service chiefs know what they require to bolster the UK's defenses more than uninformed journalists.
The Voice
You always have a snide dig at the Scots in your posts as if we were the cause of England's possible demise.
As to G.Brown, I actually thought that it was the US Banks and the greedy UK Bankers that brought us down. It didn't help that credit lending was out of control with many people having a good time thinking they could live it up and rely on their property values to cushion them
I presume that he should have let the banks collapse and bring down tens of thousands of account holders
“.....he should have let the banks collapse and bring down tens of thousands of account holders..”
Jun 28th, 2017 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1After all, that's how they do it in Argentina.
The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?
Jun 29th, 2017 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse -2For the same reason that MercoPiss carries articles on Greenland, Scottish independence, Russian artists, and Catalonian independence.
Jun 29th, 2017 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://navaltoday.com/2017/06/28/royal-navy-receives-replica-jets-to-train-for-aircraft-carrier-operations/?uid=5812
Jun 29th, 2017 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I want one to play with !!!!
News item: Argentina empties its treasury to obtain replica jets for training, familiarisation, and world domination (mind you, they could only afford two of them):
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@Hepatia
Jul 06th, 2017 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?
Because the North Atlantic is connected to the South Atlantic.
Through a string of territories stretching from the North Atlantic to the South Atlantic, some within 1000 miles of each other (i.e. about the distance the United Provinces were from the Falklands in 1833), the Falkland Islands are a part of UK's territorial integrity.
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