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Change of Governor of the Falkland Islands

Friday, June 30th 2017 - 16:49 UTC
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Mr Nigel Phillips CBE has been appointed Governor of the in succession to Mr Colin Roberts CVO who will be transferring to another Diplomatic Service appointment. Mr Phillips will take up his appointment in September 2017. Read full article

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  • Malvinense 1833

    Another colonial Governor.

    Jun 30th, 2017 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • Marti Llazo

    Malvado1833 - a further reminder of why the islanders are more resolutely British than ever, why they want nothing to do with Argentina, and why there are now 100 times as many chilenos than argies on the islands (and making good money, as Argentina slips further into widespread poverty). Since Argentina's only hope for so much as setting up a kiosko on the islands depends almost entirely on persuading the islanders that there might be some benefit to them in a relationship with Argentina, why is it that the argentines do everything in their power to ensure that their country is perceived as incorrigibly hostile and inimical to their well-being? It certainly could be that Argentina has no serious intention of winning over the residents, and instead just needs something over which to perpetually whimper.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse +11
  • St.John

    @Malvinense 1833

    How many settlers were expelled by the British from the Falklands islands in 1833?

    Who were they (names)?

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Islander1

    Malivinese-Again your outdated ignorance!¬ Today,s Falkland Ilsands Governor has power opnly in areas of defence and Foreign Affairs(as we are no fully independent) Within the Isl;ands he has NO power - he is the figurehead and representative of the Britush Head of Sates- the Queen - and as such he signs the Laws planned and debated and passed by our Elected Assembly covering all aspect of internal Govt and those covering all control of marine and petroleum resources offshore - into Law. That is the limit of his power today in the Islands.
    Now- if we had your TDF Governor as our Governor as Argentina wants - yes that would indeed be 100% COLONIAL! - the imposition of a government over a people against their wishes.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Clyde15

    malevolent

    What's it got to do with you ?

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Mr. Islander1...

    Just being curious...

    Were you present at last 1st. April meeting between His Excellency the Engrish Guv... and me compatriot... William Edward Stanley and the rest of the Argie Bankster Entourage that landed
    At Monte Placentero on a direct flight from Buenos Aires on a Bombardier 100 ( LV-GOK)...?
    - (Did you know that dear William Edward is the father of Caroline Stanley..., the Argie Development Minister that “FORGOT” to include them Mavinas Islands in her luuuvely 2017 New Year's greeting card...?)

    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/03/argentine-government-apologize-for-forgetting-the-falklands-in-a-map-of-argentina-in-new-year-greetings/comments

    Small World..., huhhhhh...?

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Marti Llazo

    It's 2017. The Falkands are British. Get used to it.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Marti Llazo: A new falklander perphaps? chilean new falklander? self- determination? chukle chukle
    Mr Islander1 The truth is that as a consequence of the British invasion, 53 people who were living on the islands returned to Buenos Aires from Puerto Soledad. The British schooner “Rapid” escorted the “Sarandí” for the British and carried in shackles the nine insurgents who had killed Argentine commander Francisco Mestivier. These were: 2nd Sergeant José María Díaz; 1st Corporal Francisco Ramírez and privates Manuel Sáenz Valiente, Antonio Moncada, Bernardino Cáceres, Manuel Delgado, Mariano Gadea, Manuel Suares and José Antonio Díaz. The schooner “Sarandí” took 17 military men with 10 members of their families (wives and children) to Buenos Aires and 17 inhabitants of the islands that worked there. The military men and their families were the following: Captain J. Antonio Gomila; Sargeant Santiago Almandos; 1st Corporal Miguel Hernández and his wife María Romero; Corporal Daniel Molina; and privates José Barrera, José Gómez, Manuel Francisco Fernández, Toribio Montesuna, Juan J. Rivas and his wife María I. Beldaño, Dionisio Godoy, Hipólito Villareal and his wife Lucía Correa and two children, Gregorio Durán and his wife Carmen Manzanares with two children, Benito Vidal and his wife María Saisa, José Soto and José Rodríguez, Juan Castro and his wife Manuela Navarro and Antonio García. Finally, the group of civilians was composed of the following workers: Joaquin Acuña and his wife Juana, Mateo González and his wife Marica, and the foreigners José Viel, Juan Quedy, Francisco Ferreyra and Máximo Warnes and a female group with their children: María Rodríguez with three children; Anastasia Romero Encarnación Álvarez;Carmen Benítez;Tránsita González and daughter. The numbers speak for themselves: 53 people set sail, and according to the British pamphlet itself, only 22 remained on the islands. That is to say, the British eviction resulted in almost 70% of the population

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -10
  • Think

    Ché..., Malvinense 1833
    Si me vaí a afanar el chuckle chucke..., por lo menos escribílo correctamente con “ck”...
    'Tamos...?
    ;-)))

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -6
  • Malvinense 1833

    jajajajaja perdón Think no estudié inglés en la escuela, es la costumbre de copiar a mis compañeros en clases :-)) ;-))
    Sorry the previous message is for St.John
    The British pamphlet claims that “only the garrison was expelled” and that the civilians who left made that decision freely. It does not require a great deal of intelligence to understand that the “choice” was motivated by the British occupation and the subsequent expulsion of Argentina. If we take into account the multinational nature of the Argentine population settled in the islands, it becomes clear that essentially individuals from the Río de la Plata left. If the British eviction had not occurred, the population would have remained on the islands, and the reestablishment of order would have permitted the return of the population sent scattering by the “Lexington” in 1831. The Argentine settlement would have continued to develop, a task Luis Vernet was devoted to in Buenos Aires. It is of little use to claim that Captain Onslow tried to persuade the inhabitants to stay: to place a population taken to the islands by the actions of Argentina under the authority of a British subject acting to maintain British control over the islands is a typically colonial action.
    Kohen, Marcelo
    Rodríguez, Facundo.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Clyde15

    M

    Who gives a toss- (colloquial expression of indifference.) Whatever happened was so long ago that the world has moved on. Many of the current moaners about this are descendants of immigrants who arrived in Argentina L-O-N-G after the event and have no personal involvement or historical connection to the Falklands.

    Chuckle...an archaic expression vary rarely used...meaning a self-congratulatory sotto voce laugh.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • What If

    (Marti Llazo) It's 2017. The Falkands are British. Get used to it.

    well very interesting comment, the people may be British, but in case you haven't heard when i last looked, there is still a dispute over the maritime and the lands etc, hence the whole conversation of 1833/1982 etc and to add insult to the whole thing you spell it Falklands.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Malvinense 1833

    There is a problem Clyde, we have not forgotten. Memory Clyde, memory.
    “L-O-N-G after the event and have no personal involvement or historical connection to the Falklands”. Luis Vernet petitioner U.N. Federico Pinedo provisional president of the Senate, descendant of José María Pinedo, captain of the Sarandí battleship 23/06/17. Regards.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833

    I cannot be bothered to read your BS - far too many errors in facts and too much invention. As usual lies, fairy tales, inventions and non events!

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • St.John

    @ Malvinense 1833

    I asked you how many of the settlers were expelled, not how many members of the military (who naturally were expelled from another country's territory).

    Soldiers don't count as settlers but as members of an occupying power.

    If the Brazilian army invaded the Misiones province and the Chilean army fell into Patagonia, would you welcome them as settlers or fight them as invaders?

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Malvinense 1833

    @gordo1 You can hide your head under the sand and lie. Chuckle chucke. thanks Think ;-)

    “Self-determination is a fundamental principle of international law,
    but it cannot be used to breach the territorial integrity of a preexisting
    state”.
    Kohen, Marcelo.
    Mr Nigel Phillips, another colonial Governor.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -9
  • Marti Llazo

    What if: “ .....when i last looked, there is still a dispute over the maritime and the lands etc....”

    Old dispute? I have a postal transaction dispute going back many years. It is of no consequence now. If disputes are not addressed and resolved within relatively short periods of time, they expire and cease to have significance, except for the purpose of wistful whimpering. Argentina has no meaningful claim to the Falklands from events of the 19th century and no competent court will take such ancient claims seriously.

    Can self-determination breach the territories of pre-existing states? Of course. Look around you. Look what happened to the “territorial integrity” of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Besides, in 1833 the Falklands were not part of any sort of “territorial integrity” of Argentina, nor have they ever been. In much the same way, the Argentine claims in Antarctica invoking “territorial integrity” are just as false and devoid of merit.

    Open your eyes. It's 2017 and the Falklands are British, have long been British, are more resolutely British now, and will remain British long after Argentina's next 25 defaults on its national debt. It's over. Get used to it.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • The Voice

    Congrats to all our Canadian pals on their 150th anniversary!

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Islander1

    Think- No was not there and never heard of those people - recall hearing about the flight-questionable“private personal flight” which is all that both sides officially permit - so such an event will not happen again unless your side lifts the charter flight ban.

    Malvinese 1833 - Sorry- as others have pointed out to you only the Provinces of the River Plate Militia and their dependents were expelled.
    ALL civilians were invited to stay and all bar 2 couples voluntarily agreed to do so- those are the simple Facts. Many of those who stayed were actually born in the Provinces of the River Plate so as such were Argentines who accepted the offer to stay and accept British Rule.

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +9
  • Clyde15

    M.

    You have taken my post and left out a pertinent point. You name 2 descendants.

    I SAID
    “MANY of the current moaners about this are descendants of immigrants who arrived in Argentina L-O-N-G after........”

    I did not say NONE !

    There are more people on the Falklands whose connections go back equally as far....and they have LIVED there for generations compared with the few Argentinians who were there illegally in 1833.

    I have been reading the same tired story now for about 6 years.

    Apart from moaning, what do you intend to do about it ?

    Discussions are pointless as your government will only accept the handing over the Falkland's sovereignty to them. In addition, you think it's a good idea to include the sub-Antarctic islands and territorial waters also. For good measure you think that the UK should hand over their Antarctic territories also....just because you want them.

    Get real !

    Jul 01st, 2017 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +8
  • Malvinense 1833

    What Argentine invasion do they speak?
    What British population existed in 1833?
    Who was the British governor in 1833? And before?

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Hepatia

    England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse -8
  • Roger Lorton

    Malvinense 1833

    Argentina has invaded twice - 1832 & 1982.

    There was a dispute between Spain and England which continued until 1833, when England asserted its claim to the whole Archipelago. Buenos Aires had been warned to stay out of the dispute in 1829 and 1832, so their garrison could not be seen as anything but an invasion force by the British in 1833. As trespassers, that garrison, with its entourage, were ejected.

    There was no British Governor before 1842. There was/is no need for a Governor to be present to denote ownership. Sovereignty had been established in 1766 and had not been relinquished by Britain.

    Argentina founds its whole spurious claim upon the myth of an inheritance from Spain. This was not recognised either by Spain or Britain. Nor indeed by whatever stood for international law when Argentina declared its independence in 1816. Nor even when Argentina attained that independence, some time after 1825.

    Argentina was never in the game, and the ejection of the trespassing garrison in 1833 was both reasonable, and legal.

    In 1832, Argentina made the mistake of believing that the British did not care enough to react. A mistake repeated in 1982. Argentines are not learners.

    The matter is settled.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Marti Llazo

    Game over, malvado 1833. Time to fold your tent. You're only annoying the chickens with your continuing whinging. A nadie le importa lo que sucedió en 1833. Bueno, ninguna persona seria.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833

    ““Self-determination is a fundamental principle of international law,
    but it cannot be used to breach the territorial integrity of a preexisting
    state”.
    Kohen, Marcelo.

    If Kohen is SO right why does Argentina fail to take his arguments to the International Court of Justice? This court would come to the right decision - whether Argentina likes it or not!

    Aah! I just remembered - Argentina never recognises ICJ decisions when that court fails to favour Argentina! Argentina, of course, always ”wants its cake AND eat it”!

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Capt Rockhopper

    Kohen is entirely wrong and for an alleged Human Rights lawyer he surprisingly struggled to explain why Argentine rights outweighed those of the islanders. Well its not really surprising is it, Argentine rights do not outweigh those of the islanders no matter what he says.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • darragh

    I've decided to agree with Malvi...we SHOULD set the world back to what it was in 1833.

    Now what would be different....hmmm let me see, ah I know

    Most of the USA would belong to Spain and France.
    Alaska would belong to Russia
    Unified Germany would not exist neither would Italy, Israel and many others
    Whole swathes of Eastern Europe, the middle East and North Africa would be part of the Ottoman Empire.
    The rest of Mid and Eastern Europe would be part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire
    The Baltic states would be part of Russia.
    Ireland would be part of the UK
    Large areas of Sub-Saharan Africa would be unexplored
    Large areas of South America south of the UPRP (or whatever it was called at this date) would be inhabited by indigenous people.
    Australia would still be a penal colony
    Most of what is today India would be governed by the Honourable East India Company
    Japan would be a feudal country closed to the outside world
    China would be even worse
    Princess Alexandrina Victoria would be thirteen
    The UK would be the world's only super power.
    France would be in post-Napoleonic chaos
    There would be no anti-biotics
    No aircraft
    No Electrical power
    No computers
    No cars
    etc. etc.

    The Falkland Islands would be British so that would be the same

    Need I go on????

    Still want to go back to 1833 Malvinense??

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Mr. Darragh...

    Strange argument...

    Specially coming from a Paddy...

    A member of a tribe of Celtic Micks that resisted some 800 years to set their world back to what it was before 1169...

    You get me drift...?

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • St.John

    @ Malvinense 1833

    I asked you how many of the settlers were expelled and their names, not how many members of the military (who naturally were expelled from another country's territory).

    If the Brazilian army invaded the Misiones province and the Chilean army invaded Patagonia, would you welcome them as settlers or fight them as invaders?

    You need to tell us if Argentina must return Chaco, Formosa and most of Misiones provinces to Paraguay, from whom they were taken by force.

    You need to tell us if Argentina must restore Patagonia to the indiginous people, on whom Julio A(sesino) Roca performed a genocide.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    By the way....

    Anybody in here care sto dilucidate why the now soon to be former Engrish Colonial Guv' in Malvinas..., Mr Colin Roberts CVO has been kicked out one year before his mandate end...?

    Huhhhhhhh...?

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • darragh

    Think

    It's not an argument nor a suggestion nor even an idea it merely points out the stupidity of Malvi...wanting to reset the world. It isn't possible to go back to 1833 or to 2,000 BCE for that matter

    By the way if you think that being offensive demonstrates some sort of intellectual superiority well...you go on thinking it. It says more about you than about me.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Clyde15

    Why don't you tell us....you know you want to.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    We auld geezers must give the young lads a chance..., lowlander...

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Doveoverdover

    We must indeed. Thanks for the tip about the visit to Mount Sion Airport by a descendant of the King of Mann and English kingmaker. Very Elsztainian, doing a recce like that. Then again with a recently retired RAF officer as Governor it looks like the days of the angelic air defence system are now numbered so perhaps it was a one-off after all.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Cmdr. McDod...
    “a recently retired RAF officer as Governor”..., you say...
    RAF as in Russian Air Force...,? I say...
    ;-)

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    Perhaps tinkle could provide some meaningful references to the non-existent argie air force.

    Quizás..... FAIA = Fuerza Aérea Imaginaria Argentina

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Doveoverdover

    Just because he speaks Russian doesn't make him a Russian just as I'm not common just because I speak common sense.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Islander1

    Think.Wrong - Gov Roberts was due to finish in late June- having done his 3 years - was then asked to stay on until replacement was recruited- normally arrange for just a gap of a couple of weeks between out and incoming, but
    he was then suddenly taken ill and medivacced out, now recovering and hopes to be back to finish his time and sign off.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Cmdr. McDod...
    Just trying to keep up with your conspiracism ... ;-)

    Mr. Islander1
    2002 2006 Howard John Stredder Pearce CMG............. (4 years)
    2006 2010 Alan Huckle..................................................... (4 years)
    2010 2014 Nigel Haywood CVO........................................ (4 years)
    2014 2017 Colin Roberts CVO........................................... (3 years)
    You were saying...

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Mr Kohen is waiting for a response to a debate in the islands, Roger.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Jo Bloggs

    Poor old Think. If someone was sitting in your usual seat at the Dover RBL you'd manage to see a conspiracy. Or is that the Chubut branch?...or the Dunoon branch?... or the London branch?

    Credibility check anyone?

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Mr St.John A military garrison is the effective presence of the Argentine state in the islands.Does not exits a conflict of sovereignty with Paraguay over Misiones, Formosa, Chaco.
    The Argentine State did not conduct a campaign of extermination of the native populations. It had the support of various native communities, such as, among others, the Northern Tehuelches (Pampas, Hets), the Andean Northern Tehuelches (Puelches) and the Araucanian Northern Tehuelches (Querandies), the Boroanos that sought to fight against the attacks of the Araucanian tribes. The main chief of Eastern Patagonia, Casimiro “Biguá” Fourmantin, had been appointed Colonel of the Argentine Army. Biguá, together with five chiefs of other indigenous clans meeting in the Genoa Valley (Province of Chubut) formally recognised Argentine sovereignty on November 3rd 1869, when the Argentine flag was raised and the indigenous chiefs swore allegiance to it.
    Argentine history shows that the native populations were considered part of the Argentine people. The Independence Act 1816 was published in Spanish, Quechua and Aymara. Even the contact of native populations with the Falklands/Malvinas begins with Argentina. Pablo Areguati, appointed Commander of the Malvinas in 1823, was Guarani. In 1829, Luis Vernet, Political and Military commander of the islands, invited and received the Techuelche chief Maria la Grande (the Great), “Queen of the Strait”, in Port Soledad.
    It may be worth recalling a point related to this subject that the writers of the pamphlet do not mention, but cannot ignore. The extinction of the Onas (Selknam) in Tierra del Fuego can be for the most part attributed to men such as Alexander McLennan (Scotland), Alexander A. Cameron (New Zealand), Samuel Hyslop (England), John McRae (Scotland) and Montt E. Wales (England), among others, who gained one pound for each dead “Ona”, and obtained even greater “profits” if they sent their heads to the “Anthropological Museum of London”

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • DemonTree

    @Malvinense 1833
    “The Argentine State did not conduct a campaign of extermination of the native populations. It had the support of various native communities”

    I don't understand this argument. It's well known that in some countries invaded by the Nazis, the people were only too eager to point out their Jewish neighbours to be taken away and shot. And having the support of one tribe in no way prevents the Argentine army trying to kill members of another. It just sounds like classic divide and conquer to me.

    Jul 02nd, 2017 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • St.John

    Malvinense 1833 makes this incredible claim: “The Argentine State did not conduct a campaign of extermination of the native populations.”

    ”A mi juicio el mejor sistema de concluir con los indios, ya sea extinguiéndolos o arrojándolos al otro lado del río Negro, es el de la guerra ofensiva. Es necesario (...) ir directamente a buscar al indio en su guarida, para someterlo o expulsarlo” (Mensaje y Proyecto presentado por el general Roca al Congreso de la Nación el 14 de Agosto de 1878). Cit. Por Schoo Lastra, Dionisio, El indio del desierto (1535-1879), Buenos Aires (1977), página 255.

    In my opinion, the best system to finish the Indians, either to exterminate them or force them across the Negro River, is that of offensive warfare. It is necessary (...) to go directly to the Indian in his lair, to subdue or expel him. (Message and project presented by general Roca to the national congress 14 August 1878).

    Domingo Faustino Sarmiento escrito en el periódico “El progreso”: “¿Lograremos exterminar los indios? Por los salvajes de América siento una invencible repugnancia sin poderlo remediar. ... Su exterminio es providencial y útil, sublime y grande.”

    “Can we exterminate the Indians? For the savages of America I feel an invincible repugnance without being able to remedy it. ... Their extermination is providential and useful, sublime and great.”

    About the concentration camps where thousands of indigenous people died: La Patagonia albergó campos de concentración indígena en 1880
    https://www.lmneuquen.com/la-patagonia-albergo-campos-concentracion-indigena-1880-n113839

    “A fines del siglo XIX el Estado argentino también creó campos de concentración, desapareció personas, torturó, asesinó y robó niños. Los pueblos indígenas estuvieron, como nunca antes en su historia, cerca del exterminio. Sin embargo, aún hoy, un gran sector de la sociedad argentina niega que haya sido un genocidio.” in 'Argentina originaria: Genocidios saqueos y resistencias', Dario Aranda

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Malvinense 1833

    Mr St.John: O. The irrelevant reference to the “Desert Campaign”
    The British pamphlet loses itself in considerations that bear no relation to the Falklands/Malvinas issue, such as the situation of Patagonia in the last quarter of the 19th century. The aim is to discredit Argentina and to attempt to compare this situation with that of the Falklands/Malvinas. They raise the point that the British colony in the islands is the oldest Southern population in the world. They forget that Argentina was already present in the Falklands/Malvinas when the British occupied and colonized the islands. The British writers omit to mention that Argentina exercised its sovereignty over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands well before than in continental Patagonia. In fact, the first birth registered under the sovereignty of a State in the Falkland/Malvinas Islands is Argentine: it is the daughter of Luis Vernet, who was born on February 5th, 1830 and was named Matilde Vernet y Sáez, though she was known as Malvina Vernet. It cannot pass unnoticed that the Argentine Government had created a territorial administrative unit in 1829 which included the Falklands/Malvinas, Tierra del Fuego and adjoining islands and that, had the expulsion by the British not occurred, it is highly likely that the centre of this territorial unit would today be in the Falklands/Malvinas and not in Tierra del Fuego.
    The British pamphlet curiously converts itself into a tenacious “defender” of native populations and accuses the Argentine Government of “genocide”. Without looking into the role played by Great Britain in the subjugation of entire populations in all the continents of the world, the reality that the pamphlet refers to is different to the one presented.
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-v/#capitulo5o

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Islander1

    Think- Governors do not always serve a fixed time- depends on their next move FCO has in mind or what they want to apply for that is coming up, also what is happening at the time in the Islands- egt in run up to a major event not a good idea to have a new Governor arriving. Colin Roberts is popular locally, his kids now at an important school age at boarding school in UK so maybe family reasons he planned to do 3. Also his wife spends some time there caring for her elderly relative. Nothing political or dodgy in timing, quite natural- they do vary for various reason

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • St.John

    More to Malvinense 1833's insane claim: “The Argentine State did not conduct a campaign of extermination of the native populations.”

    El imaginario de Auschwitz
    “Cuando decimos campos de concentración no hay que pensar en Auschwitz”, explicó Delrio. “El concepto de genocidio no se aplica sólo a la desaparición física, sino a la desaparición de un pueblo, de sus costumbres. De allí que le hayan quitado los hijos a sus madres, para robarles la identidad, para borrarles sus orígenes”, detalló. Esta forma de discplinamiento encontró su punto de máxima eficacia en la Isla Martín García.
    Más allá del sometimiento cultural, Delrio no descartó que hayan ocurrido masacres sistemáticas. “Los indígenas eran vistos como propiedad del Ejército. Se los sometía, se los expropiaba, se profanaban sus tumbas en busca de plata. Muchos recuerdan las largas marchas obligadas: quienes se quedaban atrás eran ejecutados”, describe el historiador.

    The Imaginary of Auschwitz
    “When we say concentration camps we do not have to think about Auschwitz,” Delrio explained. “The concept of genocide applies not only to physical disappearance, but to the disappearance of a people, their customs. From there they have taken their children from their mothers, to steal their identity, to erase their origins, ”he said. This form of discrimination found its point of maximum effectiveness in Martín García Island.
    Beyond cultural subjugation, Delrio did not rule out systematic massacres. “The Indians were seen as the property of the Army. They were subjected, expropriated, desecrated their graves for silver. Many remember the long marches forced: those who remained behind were executed” describes the historian.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ gordo1 If Kohen is SO right why does Argentina fail to take his arguments to the International Court of Justice? This court would come to the right decision - whether Argentina likes it or not!
    The British pamphlet is also silent over two key elements of the claim presented by the United Kingdom against Argentina before the International Court of Justice in 1955 in the Antarctica case. For the avoidance of doubt and of any potential Argentine action in that respect, the British application states very clearly that the United Kingdom accepts the jurisdiction of the Court only over the so-called “Falkland Islands Dependencies” and not the Falklands/Malvinas themselves. These two notes are part of the application:
    “It results from the present Application that the United Kingdom Government accepts the jurisdiction of the Court in respect of the questions hereby submitted to it, and in particular that of the title to sovereignty over the islands and lands of the Falkland Islands Dependencies. The present Application does not constitute a submission to the jurisdiction of the Court in any other respect, or as regards the title to sovereignty over any territory outside the Dependencies.
    ”It will be understood that although, for reason of convenience, the territories to which the present Application relates were constituted Dependencies of the Falkland Islands for administrative purposes, the British title to them is a separate and independent one, which in no way derives from or depends on the title to the Falkland Islands themselves.”
    It is hard to conceal the awareness of the weakness of British title that emerges from these two notes in Britain’s Application.
    The British pamphlet also ignores the main reason invoked by Argentina for refusing the British offer to submit those territories to the decision of the Hague Court: the absence of any reference to the issue of the Falkland/Malvinas Islands
    http://www.malvinas-falklands.net/avada_portfolio/chapter-v/#capitulo5q

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • St.John

    @ Malvinense 1833 writes:

    “A military garrison is the effective presence of the Argentine state in the islands.”

    This means that the presence of a British military garrison is the effective presence of the United Kingdom in the Falkland Islands?
    Then why are you making all that fuzz? you have just admitted that the Falkland Islands are under British sovereignity.
    - - -
    “They forget that Argentina was already present in the Falklands/Malvinas when the British occupied and colonized the islands.”

    Impossible as La Republica Argentine did not exist. The invaders were the Buenos Aires military, and as military occupying force they were not settlers but invaders.

    On e.g. 1 October 1859
    How many capitals were there in what today is Argentina?
    How many presidents were there in what today is Argentina?
    How many constitutions did they have in what today is Argentina?
    How many congresses did they have in what today is Argentina?
    How many senats did they have in what today is Argentina?
    Does that look like one country to you?

    Malvinense 1833 goes on “Does not exits a conflict of sovereignty with Paraguay over Misiones, Formosa, Chaco.”

    There is no conflict of sovereignty between the United Kingdom and Argentina. Argentina has a conflict, which is like one hand clapping, the UK does not take part in this conflict.

    This is, however, not relevant. The principal question remains unanswered: Did Argentina take Misiones, Formosa and Chaco by force or not?

    Further: “The British pamphlet loses itself in considerations ...”

    Which British pamphlet?
    - - -
    Back to other unanswered questions:

    I asked you how many of the settlers were expelled, not how many members of the military (who naturally were expelled from another country's territory).

    Soldiers don't count as settlers but as members of an occupying power.

    If the Brazilian army invaded the Misiones province and the Chilean army fell into Patagonia, would you welcome them as settlers or fight them as invaders?

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Capt Rockhopper

    Still waiting for the intellectual giant Marcelo Kohen to respond.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    Malvinense 1833

    Debate? I offered to debate with Kohen for 3 years without response. Now I just consider him a fraud - to be exposed and not to be given a further soap box for his nonsense. Kohen is Monty Python's Black Knight - defeated, he would still claim a victory.

    As for the ICJ - you are correct that Britain limited its submission in 1955 excluding the Falklands. There was, however, nothing to stop Argentina submitting its own case including the Falklands.

    Argentina was also given the chance to go to the ICJ over the Falklands in 1982. An offer passed to Galtieri personally by Secretary Haig, who gave evidence of that offer to the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee.

    Argentina runs scared of the ICJ. Why? Because its whole spurious claim comes down to that mythical inheritance. If the ICJ didn't support that, then Argentina's hopes would be lost for all time. After more than 70 years of brainwashing the Argentine people, your government would find that hard to explain. So they wouldn't. Argentina would just - as mentioned above - reject any result that did not suit it.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • gordo1

    Malvinense 1833

    What is this British pamphlet that you are going on about? Do you know what a “pamphlet” is?

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Doveoverdover

    Call me an old conspiracy theorist if you like. But either Boris has run out of career diplomats or he wants a military guv as well as a CBF for a good reason following the Rowland, Elsztain and Rafael debacle.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    I should have added that, contrary to the implication by Malvinense 1833, Kohen has never asked to debate with me. I'm sure he knows that the first overhead that I'd show would be the Photo-shopped copy of the Times of 1821 which he knowingly published in his (& Rodigues's) comic book. A clear example of fraud which I see that Kohen has changed for the on-line English version.

    Gordo 1 - the 'British pamphlet' that Malvinense 1833 refers to is the paper that Pascoe & Pepper produced way back in 2008 following a presentation on behalf of Argentina in London. It was prepared as a reaction to the distortions expressed at that presentation and was done hurriedly so as to catch the moment. P&P long ago took it down as they recognised that haste had created inaccuracies which could only be dealt with properly with a full book. That has long been awaited, but I have hope of living long enough to see it.

    It took Kohen & Rodrigues 8 years to reply to that paper by P&P, so perhaps we should be patient.

    Doveoverdover - I do hope it is not Boris making the decisions.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • gordo1

    Roger Lorton

    Thank you. As I recall, Pascoe and Pepper produced a lot more that a “pamphlet”!

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Doveoverdover

    Last time I checked he was still Foreign Secretary, although who knows these days. Apparently he took a couple of days off to cycle the west end of Hadrian's Wall last week. Thoughts of empire and greatness in his mind l don't doubt. Anyway, it is what it is and this is a moment in history worthy of Emporer Boris. The last man, though not the first, to appoint a serving officer as gov of these islands of ours was called Galtieri.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Cmdr. McDod...
    Boris..., huhhhhhhhh...?
    What an appropriate name for a Tsar...
    Wonder if he is in Putin's pocket too..., as his American cousin..., Donald...;-)

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Doveoverdover

    Are you suggesting that Air Commodore Philips* will be able to take his instructions directly from the Kremlin, the White House or Whitehall in ether language and that it all amounts to the same thing anyway? Scurrilous. Next you'll be telling us that they, like the new ADS for MSA, are all controlled from Tel Aviv. Wait a minute, come to think of it.......

    * Acting Air Commodore N J Phillips CBE was promoted Air Commodore on 14 May 2015 and is appointed Deputy UK Military Representative to the European Union, Brussels in April 2016 in succession to Brigadier A M J McGovern.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    No, Boris is a Turk by ancestry....and an American citizen by birth. Can't see any Russian connection there although you probably believe in all the conspiracy theories due to an over excited imagination. For example, you believe that the Falklands belong to Argentina.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • The Voice

    British influence worldwide is viewed very positively, even by Argies. The people who value us least are so called European allies like Spain. But...Brazil and Peru think we are great. Britain remains a positive global influence post-Brexit, poll shows

    https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/britain-remains-positive-global-influence-post-brexit

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    Are you addressing me or Think? No, it ain't the same thing before anyone else chips in. For the avoidance of all doubt I believe the Falkland Islands belong to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island (ie to the British as in British Overseas Territory, or colony if you prefer as indeed I do). My concern is that they may not do for much longer if Sr Elzstain and his collaborators get their way. Fortunately, I think that the British authorities have recognised the unfolding risk, sacked the Gov who mishandled it and replaced him with a military man (well OK an RAF officer, which is close enough for government work). To move one man on early and unexplained is odd enough but to replace him with another unexplained early mover and a non-diplomat at that.....

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Cmdr. McDod...

    .... come to Think of it......., ”Zur (Marx's) Judenfrage“..., one should bear in mind that... ”The Communist Manifesto”..., (together with Machiavelli's The Prince..., still the histo-theoretic base of Mr. Putin's power) was published by its ancestral Jewish author in the capital city of what was soon to become the first ever non Jewish Country ruled by a Jew...

    Enough stuff for any old conspiracy theorist..., come to Think of it.....

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Yo

    Islander - “Now- if we had your TDF Governor as our Governor as Argentina wants - yes that would indeed be 100% COLONIAL! - the imposition of a government over a people against their wishes”

    In that case your governor wouldn't be an imposition, as it is today, but you would have the option to vote.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Marti Llazo

    “....but you would have the option to vote.”

    There is a current option to vote, and the vote was conclusively to not be a part of Argentistan.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Doveoverdover

    Excuse me but Queen Victoria ruled, not the Israeli. He was just her prime minister.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Wrong little shitstirrer Think, the UK is ruled by the monarch not by the Prime Minister.

    Thank you for airing your racist antisemitism so blatantly. Guess it's part of your Quisling heritage?

    Don't you get confused having conversations with yourself?

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Cmdr.McDod...

    OK... if it makes you feel better...:

    .... ”the first ever non Jewish Country ruled by a Jew and a German Hanover/Sachsen-Coburg Princess.., married to a Sachsen-Coburg-Saalfeld prince...

    Reliable as a Mercedes Benz...

    ;-)))

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Doveoverdover

    As I wrote in here long ago...I'm not here to feel better...

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Not certain about that...
    But you certainly are not “here” making money...;-)

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Islander1

    Yo- You have not got the difference have you?
    Our Governor- appointed by London - not in charge of our laws and taxes at all, indeed he/she has no say in them. Our local Govt 100% elected by us makes and formulates the laws.
    Our Governor from London is the physical representative of the British Head of Sate - the Monarch - currently Queen Elizabeth 2nd. So the Governor acts in her name and signs our Laws etc into Law- just the same was as the Queen herself signs the Laws made by the British Parliament and Governing party - in to Law.

    Now if we became part of TDF - Ok we would gat a vote in who the Governor was to be - who would have a lot of controlling and executive power over our laws and taxes etc etc. But look at the numbers - in reality the Islands would add up to what - 1% of the total TDF electoral role - we would in practise and reality have Bugger All say in the rules of a Government imposed upon us against our will.
    Now that is called Colonialism - the rest of the world has got rid of it pretty well. we and the UK have - seems Argentina would like to turn the clocks back a century and start it again?

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Doveoverdover

    Just so you colonists are clear

    “The Constitution enhances local democracy, while retaining sufficient powers for the UK Government to protect UK interests and to ensure the overall good governance of the territory. It provides for greater transparency and accountability through the creation of a Public Accounts Committee and a Complaints Commissioner, and the rights chapter has been brought up to date to bring it into line with international agreements.

    The new Constitution makes much clearer Councillors' responsibility for most domestic policies and that, in general, the Governor will now have to abide by the advice of the Executive Council on such matters. But the new Constitution will also enshrine a power for the Governor not to act upon Executive Council's advice ”in the interests of good governance”, or in relation to external affairs, defence, internal security (including the police), the administration of justice, audit, and management of the public service.”

    From the FIG website. Just think of it as benign governorship and try to remember whose colony you are.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Cmdr. McDod...

    So...
    In short...
    Them Colonists may do as they want...
    As long as they do as the Engrish Massa wants...

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • What If

    What is the old saying, do not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

    Jul 03rd, 2017 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marti Llazo

    I wonder if tinkle is aware that the islanders have voted to continue with their form of government? That they have the option of choosing another?

    Thought not.

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Doveoverdover

    British citizens vote to stay British; Britain reluctantly agrees to keep colony but resolves to send a military guvonor just in case. Welcome Air Commodore!

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    ... “Reluctantly”...?

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Doveoverdover

    In the same way that Bercow time after time is “reluctantly” dragged to the Commons Speaker's chair? You'd think he would have learned by now not to put his name forward. Or it could be that we are now mighty fed up with the whinges and a military man has been sent down to oversee the handover of MSA from Baz's boys and girls to Eduardo's team.

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Roger chuckle chucke ;-)) We are at the disposal of any person or entity willing to organise a serious and respecful debate on the Argentine-British dispute over the islands, and offer to organise a similar event in Buenos Aires.
    We are also confident that those seriously interested in the matter will read both publicactions and will then be in a position to judge themselves.
    Professor Marcelo Kohen
    and Facundo Rodríguez, Advocate.
    Penguin News published in its issue of 22 July 2016.

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Voice

    I'm seriously interested in knowing what...“ chucke ” means...

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Roger Lorton

    Malvinense 1833.

    Is that a quote? I don't do respectful - not when I'm dealing with frauds. As both Kohen & Rodrigues know full well. Now I am aware that they are seeking a soap box in BA or Stanley in order to promote both themselves and their comic-book, but nobody in their right mind will afford those Black Knights the opportunity. They claim a victory even in defeat, and their idea of a 'respectful' debate is where they give a speech and the other side give a speech and that's the end of the matter. As I've said, I'm more of a trial by combat sort of a fella.

    Besides, they are State funded. I am not.

    And who would want to go to BA?

    Ridiculous. But hey, feel free to pop over to Thailand any time :-)

    Voice - chuckE is a chain of American entertainment venues for children. Which sort of figures. Cheesy :-)

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Doveoverdover

    The quality of debate and analysis has sunk low over the years I've been around MercoPress but this is now making me quite depressed. We have a most remarkable news item here. Without any sort of official explanation a military governor is appointed to replace a civil governor; one who is short-toured to make way for him and all that some of us can do is point out simple spelling mistakes.

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    A spelling mistake...I've seen on this thread three times...

    You do of course realise there has just been a general election in the UK...?
    They reshuffle cabinets, so perhaps they reshuffle other posts too...
    ..there's nothing like an old soldier (sailor) to think....invasion alert...

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Cmdr. Mc.Dod...

    I Think the quality of information, debate and analysis has been pretty stable..., at bottom level over all the years I've been around MercoPress...

    There are though some tall poppies that rise over the killing Turnip fields...
    But we all know what happens with tall poppies..., don't we...?

    ;-)

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Doveoverdover

    So are you saying heroin is the only answer to this black funk I've descended into courtesy of Voice the spelling monkey? Where do I get some of that in Dover at this time in the evening? Far too early.

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Try Margate...

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Voice

    You're welcome...

    It's not about spelling...I liked to be corrected when I'm playing Johnny foreigner...
    Now if it was about spelling...
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/06/30/change-of-governor-of-the-falkland-islands/comments#comment469599
    I'd have been right in there like shit off a brick...

    I think it's stretching the imagination to call this guy military...
    Desk man starting in communications working his way up through the non entity positions adding whatever qualifications needed for promotion...
    That's the way I see it...
    Is there game afoot that we are unaware of...?
    Do you know something...?

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    @Malvinense 1833: “If the British eviction had not occurred, the population would have remained on the islands”

    This is utter nonsense. There was no eviction of civilians.

    “The British pamphlet claims that “only the garrison was expelled” and that the civilians who left made that decision freely.”

    I gave you a link to an Argentine source, which clearly states that only army personnel and their families were expelled.

    Are you able to understand it? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5053/5533028871_5a2bfae23c_b.jpg

    How many of the *settlers* were expelled?

    If the Brazilian army invaded the Misiones province and the Chilean army fell into Patagonia, would they be settlers or an invading army?

    Do you call the british military presence on the Falkland Islands settlers?

    You have also carefully avoided answering the questions:

    On (e.g.) 1 October 1859:
    How many capitals were there in what today is Argentina?
    How many presidents were there in what today is Argentina?
    How many constitutions did they have in what today is Argentina?
    How many congresses did they have in what today is Argentina?
    How many senats did they have in what today is Argentina?
    Does that look like one country to you?

    “Argentine history shows that the native populations were considered part of the Argentine people.”

    Only before 'el blanqueamiento' when the Argentine politicians decided to get rid of the non-European part of the population.

    Today there are laws protecting the indigenous people, yet what happens in the real world?

    Tuesday, April 30, 2013: Gov't expresses 'discomfort' over UN Special Rapporteur criticism
    www.buenosairesherald.com/article/130018/justice-reform-govt-expresses-discomfort-over-un-special-rapporteur-criticism

    and three years later nothing has improved:

    Tuesday, May 24, 2016: The United Nations Special rapporteur on racism warns of repeated repression against minorities in Argentina.
    www.buenosairesherald.com/article/214862/un-slams-plight-of-indigenous

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Mr. Voice...

    You say...:
    “ I Think it's stretching the imagination to call this guy military...
    Desk man starting in communications working his way up through the non entity positions adding whatever qualifications needed for promotion...”

    I say...:
    You have just..., quite adequately..., described the military career of 98% of the men and women composing the 100% of this world's Armed Farces...

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Voice

    The way of the world Mr. Think always better prospects of promotion in the forces through Admin...
    The Cannon fodder always need wages, uniforms, logistics and often burial...

    Now that I have thought about it, DOD does have a point this man hardly seems governor material...no experience whatsoever and straight from the dept of defence...
    Governors are also usually career diplomats or silly servants or Lord Snots golfing buddy...

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Think

    Mr. Voice...
    I'm not sure why the FCO chose this particular Air Commodore 64....
    But it certainly ain't for his ability to match shirts and ties...

    Jul 04th, 2017 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Marti Llazo

    tinkle, unlike Argentina, the UK considers a fellow's value, integrity, skills, knowledge, and contributions -- rather than the tie he wears or doesn't wear.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Doveoverdover

    So, are we building a consensus about the chap from the world's centre of excellence for consensus building? (The EU). Isn't a background in airfield communications exactly the right thing for a man sent to sort out the horlicks that is the Elsztain subversion? Time to revisit Baz's CV, just to be sure we are on the right track. (That's a naval insider's little joke there...)

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    Cmdr. DoveoverDover...
    You'll have to be more specific about that Argie-Sionist Malvinas Masterplan..., if you want the common citizen to understand...
    Or are you afraid the Mossad will change your nick to Deadoverdoveraccidentalclifffall...?

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Doveoverdover

    I'm not here to brief the common citizen. The uncommon citizen will already have worked it out for themselves. I know you have. As for Mossad, if they want to blow up the Dover RBL on any Friday night they are very welcome to try. They can always ask for directions on how to find it from some of the more common citizens who post on here if they like.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Malvinense 1833

    1-Debate? I offered to debate with Kohen for 3 years without response. Now I just consider him a fraud - to be exposed and not to be given a further soap box for his nonsense.
    2-I should have added that, contrary to the implication by Malvinense 1833, Kohen has never asked to debate with me
    3-Is that a quote? I don't do respectful - not when I'm dealing with frauds. As both Kohen & Rodrigues know full well.
    Change of ideas? doubts? Lack of arguments? Hmmm oh Roger, Roger.....
    A public invitation to a debate, perhaps Roger?

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    We are at the disposal of any person or entity willing to organise a serious and respecful debate on the Argentine-British dispute over the islands, and offer to organise a similar event in Buenos Aires.
    We are also confident that those seriously interested in the matter will read both publicactions and will then be in a position to judge themselves.
    Professor Marcelo Kohen
    and Facundo Rodríguez, Advocate.
    Penguin News published in its issue of 22 July 2016.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Marti Llazo

    “Talking” to Argentina on matters of high nationalist-populist emotional content is not unlike a conversation with a brick wall, though the latter can be expected to exhibit a comparatively higher degree of reason, civility, and intelligence.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ St.John If the Brazilian army invaded the Misiones province and the Chilean army fell into Patagonia, would they be settlers or an invading army?

    That question should be answered by you, if the UK Royal Navy”s invaded the Malvinas Islands would they be settlers or an invading Royal Navy?
    Why do peaceful Argentine settlers have to choose to stay or leave their country?

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • St.John

    @ Malvinense 1833

    I see, that you carefully avoid answering my questions because the answers will force you to accept that the Falkland Islands are British.

    Your suggestion that I should answer the question about Argentina is stupid beyond belief.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Marti Llazo

    It's 2017 and the Falklands are British. Get used to it.

    If Malvado1833 might wish to engage in pointless discussions - o sea, si querés pasar el tiempo andando a grillos - the Flat Earth Society could probably fit you in.

    Better still, let's talk about Argentina returning Chubut within 25 years.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Clyde15

    Why do peaceful Argentine settlers have to choose to stay or leave their country?

    Because the Falklands was not their country. Simple.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    The British have never invaded the Falklands Malvinense 1833.

    Arrived 1765. Threw off trespassers 1833. Threw off more trespassers 1982.

    Jul 05th, 2017 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +6
  • Marti Llazo

    “Threw off trespassers 1833. Threw off more trespassers 1982.”

    Threw off trespassers in 1966, as well.

    The year that Argentina invented commercial airliner hijacking. So clever were these argie criminals that they didn't realise that there was no airport near Stanley that could accommodate the hijacked aircraft. True malvinistas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operativo_C%C3%B3ndor

    Jul 06th, 2017 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Pete Bog

    @Malvinense 1833

    “Another colonial Governor.”

    According to you there are two colonial governors, the second in your opinion being Bertone.

    The difference is that the people born and who live on the Islands prefer to be ruled by Queen Elizabeth and have her representative present, rather than a dictator, (Bertone) who knows nothing about the Falklands.

    Why doesn't Bertone show some manners and turn up on Liberation Day, a holiday on the Islands, to honour the dead that died in the 1982 war?

    The British Governor has no say over how the laws in the Falklands are made, so he cannot in reality be a colonial governor.

    A colonial governor would not allow local politicians to have much if any say, as per before 1982.

    If Bertone was the governor, she would not allow the FIG to exist, because she is a dictator in waiting, (though she's got a few million years to wait until the Earth becomes a Red Dwarf).


    As the Islanders want nothing to do with Bertone, there's little likelihood of her owning more than imaginary power over the Falklands, but as you despise the fact that Great Britain gave a choice for the South American originated settlers to stay on the Islands in 1833, you will also despise the fact that the present inhabitants of the Islands also have a choice.

    And there's nothing that your fairyland governor Bertone can do about it.

    Jul 06th, 2017 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Don Alberto

    st.john has asked Malvinense 1833 a number of question, but Malvi's “answers” are mumbo-jumbo, that reminds me of Domingo Faustino Sarmiento escribió: “Las palabras argentino e ignorante se escriben con las mismas letras.”

    (The Argentine president Domingo Faustino Sarmiento wrote “the words Argentine and ignorant are written with the same letters”)

    Wht's wrong in Malvinense 1833's head?

    Jul 06th, 2017 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Doveoverdover

    The British Governor has the final say on everything and he says whatever the UK government tell him to say and do. But don't believe me, look it up for yourself. It's in the Constitution, it's on the FIG website and I posted the relevant paragraph earlier. Believe the self governing myth of you must but, please, don't expect everyone else to believe it.

    Jul 06th, 2017 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Wank, you are incapable of believing anything. What you say is always governed by your prejudices.

    Jul 06th, 2017 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Doveoverdover

    Now, now, that's a very naughty word to begin such a short but nevertheless profound post. I believe only one thing when it comes down to it. I Think therefore I am and all the rest is as a man in a cave with a fire watching shadows on a wall. Wow, Machieveli, Marx, Descartes and Plato all in the same thread. We might still improve the quality of debate after all, if only we can stop playing with ourselves.

    Speaking of (to) Think, about that Stanley chap. I thought his name “rang a bell”. He was associated with old Carlos M as well as our other “bell ringer”, Eduardo. This anglo-welsh-argie-judeo conspiracy to secure the homeland's Antarctic future is unraveling in front of your eyes and it's quite fascinating to watch.

    Jul 07th, 2017 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Cmdr. Mc.Dod...
    Now..., now.., that's what I like 'bout you Cmdr...
    You always keep your eyes on the ball..., not the man...
    Speaking about that Stanley chap..., I dislike him as much as you..., for opposite reasons that is...
    Their Anglo-Welsh-Sion-Argie conspiracy to secure the Motherland's Antarctic future is conceding too much to them Engrish...
    They must be pressed where it hurts them... In their wallets...
    “Human Rights” for Kelpo-Bennies...,they don't give a flying fkuck for..., as you perfectly well know and the previous plight of the Chink-Kongians..., the Tarzagossians and currently..., the Ascensiorists clearly demonstrate...

    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/06/the-plight-of-ascension-island-residents-cut-off-from-the-falklands-airbridge/comments
    0 (zero) comments...
    No comments... ;-)
    Chuckle, chuckle.

    Jul 07th, 2017 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Doveoverdover

    Zero comments? Surely someone can say a few words about the dreadful human rights situation facing the residents of that god-forsaken few square miles of barren wasteland....

    As for Willy Stanley, he's demonstrated that good breeding and inherited wealth may gain an Anglo-Argie some access to Government House but it won't protect the unfortunate host from the consequences of his misjudged and deferential actions.

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  • Pete Bog

    Doveoverdover

    “The British Governor has the final say on everything and he says whatever the UK government tell him to say and do.”

    So how many times has a UK governor to the Falkland Islands prevented legislation that the FIG want in the last 30 years?




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    Jul 08th, 2017 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ Roger “The British have never invaded the Falklands Malvinense 1833.
    Arrived 1765”.
    B. The clandestine presence of Great Britain
    The French had already occupied the Falklands/Malvinas when British commodore John Byron set sail for the West Indies on June 21st, 1764. The purpose of his voyage was kept secret. Upon reaching the coast of Brazil, the true objective of the expedition was revealed: to
    call at His Majesty´s Islands call´d Falkland´s and Pepys `Islands situate in the Atlantick Ocean near The Streights of Magellan in order to make better surveys thereof, than had yet been made, and to determine a place or places, most proper for a new settlement or settlements thereon.
    Byron sighted land on January 12th, 1765 (that is to say, almost one year after Bougainville officially took possession) and landed on Saunders Island (Isla Trinidad), a small island to the west of Gran Malvina/West Falkland, where he took possession of a location called Port Egmont (“Puerto de la Cruzada” in Spanish) on behalf of King George III, “of that port and all neighboring islands.”
    It is worth noting that the directions given to Byron refer to the “Falkland and Peppys” islands. The latter were often believed to be situated in an area near the Falklands/Malvinas, but they do not exist. The British government believed they had been “discovered” by His Majesty´s seamen. It gave secret instructions to its sailors in full awareness of the opposition Spain had manifested years before, leading Byron to believe that the islands he was to survey already belonged to the British crown.
    However, the orders Byron received made no reference whatsoever to taking possession of the Falkland/Malvinas Islands. His only task was to perform a survey.
    Kohen Marcelo
    Rodríguez, Facundo.
    His history do no exist, Roger.

    Jul 08th, 2017 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Marti Llazo

    Fold your tent, malvado1833. What happened centuries ago is of no consequence now. The islands are British. Your weeping will not change anything.

    Jul 09th, 2017 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Doveoverdover

    Pete Bog

    We will never know because if anything unwanted is ever spawned it's either destroyed moments after conception or terminated after a few weeks gestation. Only acceptable legislation ever gets aired, presented and signed into law. That's the Falkland Islands Way.

    BTW, it's the Governor of not to the Falkland Islands.

    Jul 09th, 2017 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Malvinense 1833

    @St.John: Who were they the settlers british in 1833, 1832, 1831,1820,1780(names)? and the Governors british? names?
    @ Marti Llazo: The islands are not British, they are occupied and administered by the british.
    Ironically we are united with the British by historical ties and friendship. Mr. Marti Llazo, nothing is over.

    Jul 09th, 2017 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1

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