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Juncker: “Britain will regret voting for Brexit”; Farage: “Thank God we are leaving”

Thursday, September 14th 2017 - 08:31 UTC
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Britain will soon regret voting for Brexit, but the European Union will move on, the European Commission president has insisted. In a speech setting out the future direction of the bloc, Jean-Claude Juncker said the UK’s exit would be a “sad and tragic” moment, but it was “not the be all and end all”. Read full article


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  • The Voice

    Agree totally with Farage on this occasion. Franco German intransigence caused Brexit, plus of course out of touch wimp Cameron being unable to identify and negotiate for the UKs right to control who is working here. BLiar didnt help either admitting the Eastern hordes uncontrolled.
    The EU is now a bit sore and hostile. There is still time for them to show some common sense and flexibility. But unfortunately they are incapable of that.
    Junkners 'one size fits all superstate' ideas are part of an unrealistic dream. America has the right idea, local State laws and taxes seem to work fairly well for them,cand a common language does too.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • JanH

    It is a pity that the UK felt that it could not compete with Germany and France and found it necessary to leave.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • darragh

    The Voice

    I agree with you 100%

    Interesting article in the Irish Independent this morning saying that the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council Chief, Seamus Coffey has stated that the introduction of Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base advocated by Junker would be more serious for Ireland than Brexit. Elsewhere he states that Ireland would have to veto the change to Qualified Majority Voting (which Junker would require to get CCCTB through) but would eventually be overridden or blackmailed by Germany and France into accepting it.

    JanH/Heppy or whatever your name is today

    The British people voted in a referendum to leave the EU. It's called democracy you probably wouldn't understand the concept.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Clyde15

    Janh alias heppy etc.

    You are a busy little Troll. Do you get paid by the word OR the most inane comments ?

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • DemonTree

    @The Voice
    I'm surprised you say America has the right idea, since I thought a United States of Europe was exactly what Brexiters are afraid of. Does that mean you would be in favour of the idea as long as it was done right?

    As for language, currently 51% of people in the EU speak English as a native or foreign language, but that is about to drop drastically.

    I found an interesting survey saying 79% of Europeans believe English is one of the most useful languages for the future of their children, and French and German have both fallen as a percentage since 2005. 69% think Europeans should be able to speak a common language and 53% agree that EU institutions should adopt a single language for communicating with citizens.

    If we had stayed in, there is nearly no doubt that English would have become the common language of the EU.

    That's unsurprising. I'm sure you know Ireland has very low corporate tax rates to encourage companies to base themselves there, but that comes at the expense of other countries in Europe. I imagine the UK will be trying to take over this role come 2019.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • terryrat

    At the referendum in the 70s, i voted no well actually the term was NON the reason i voted no was that 1 i never trusted anything that came from Heaths mouth and i just had a feeling we were heading towards the catastrophe that is now the EUSLESS Junker is just a jumped up little dictator note i don't use the word, Hitler as for Merkal well that surely beggars belief The money boys have their feet well and truly un der the table as the EUS LESS looks after them controlling everything they do making sure no one else gets a look in Hence Soros wants Britain to remain as do all the money merchants The Saudis are funding all the Muslim gains including holding Government to account with money Greed is the basis of the EUS LESS So no Junker we will not be worse off YOU WILL

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Sinibaldi

    El futuro y los pensamientos.

    Como el sabor
    del viento
    que regresa
    donde la vida
    recuerda el color
    de las hojas
    mojadas, como
    el futuro en
    un dulce pasar.

    Francesco Sinibaldi

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Clyde15

    The Owl and the Pussy-cat went to sea
    In a beautiful pea green boat,
    They took some honey, and plenty of money,
    Wrapped up in a five pound note.

    The UK's Brexit policy according to Edward Lear.

    Looks better than Junkers offer !!

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • The Voice

    DT, what I said is a statement of fact, we would not have left if we had been able to control who came here to work from Europe. The EU say that isnt possible, when actually it is. A major part of the Brexit voters have watched house prices spiral which has affected our young people in two ways, pressure on housing forcing prices and rents up, whilst dragging unskilled wages down. People always mention public services under pressure but never spiraling housing costs, I wonder how they dont see all these things are so closely connected. Any mention of these things they then throw around 'Daily Mail and Racist' slurs - they must be really thick bigots?
    Myself I voted out not only for these reasons but because I dont want to live in the Mayor of Luxembourg's Superstate. We are quite capable of making our own laws and standards and trading freely worldwide independently like we used to. NATO and our American allies served us well too, we dont need an unreliable mish mash of 27 other nations with such disparate views either.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • St.John

    No wonder Farage is happy, of course his mind is fixated on those £ 350,000,000 a week to NHS: - the lying bastard.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Voice

    ”a stronger European army in a militarized EU with a stronger and perhaps more aggressive foreign policy”
    Alarm bells...
    He who pays the piper calls the tune...
    Wonder which country that would be...?
    Wonder if it's scheduled to last a thousand years....?

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    What is this, poetry corner?

    I don't remember denying that, I asked you if you objected to a United States of Europe in principle.

    Dunno where you've been living to say people never mention house prices. Being one of those young people, I've heard about them ad nauseam, and mentioned
    them on here enough times. And you're right, the Daily Mail are thick bigots, what else is new?

    You sound exactly like the Scottish Nationalists, you know... How do you see this future you voted for anyway? I think best case scenario we'll eventually be like Canada to the US. Little influence in the world, poorer and dependent on the EU, but on the plus side we do get to make our own laws. Worst case there is no more UK, and we are eventually forced to crawl back ignominiously on far worse terms.

    What they twice failed to do with force, they've done very well with cooperation. And the irony is that the people who would be most opposed are helping them now.

    Sep 14th, 2017 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Clyde15


    I think you are talking the country down. Do you really think we need to crawl up the EU's backside asking for crumbs and saying it was a mistake, please let us stay. We will cooperate with your vision of an United States of Europe.

    Large states have a habit of collapsing under their own weight....the USSR for example.

    Sep 15th, 2017 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • St.John

    Some people don't like to be reminded of the lies told about those £350,000,000 a week to NHS, eh?

    Sep 15th, 2017 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • darragh


    Of course I am aware of Ireland's tax regime but it does not come at the expense of other EU countries as there is nothing to stop them adopting the same regime.

    The point of the article that I quoted is to show that if the Junkerites have their way with introduction of Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base then that would be more serious economically for Ireland than Brexit. To get the CCCTB through then the Junkerites would need to get rid of Qualified Majority Voting which would be forced through by Germany and France as it is to their benefit to force Irish taxes up and not German/French taxes down.

    In other words b......ks to democratic institutions in the EU what Germany/France says goes.

    Sep 15th, 2017 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No, I don't think we need to do that. It was just me being pessimistic about a scenario where everything goes wrong. Being like Canada would be okay right?

    It's just that at the start of 2016 I was confident Britain had a bright future, and now the question is how bad things will be.

    Also, my friend who lives in Germany has been ranting to me that May is fucking with people's lives, and doing it in his name.

    It does come at the expense of other countries, because if they cut their tax rates to match they get less money. It's like the prisoners' dilemma.

    If the EU votes for CCCTB by qualified majority voting, that is democratic, right? If you don't like it, you can always leave. ;)

    Sep 15th, 2017 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Clyde15

    The converse is.. how good things could be.

    If people continually talk the country down then it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    As to your friend in Germany, I am more interested in the people who live and work in the UK. He can always apply for German citizenship if he thinks the UK is going down the drain.

    Even if our standard of living goes down, so what.

    The current generation seem to think that foreign holidays and weekends abroad are the norm. Consumer spending on gadgets is a must. Eating out and takeaways are part of life's necessities. Take out credit for items that are not really needed and run up large credit card bills.
    Most of the things we buy are made abroad and add to our balance of trade deficit.

    Maybe it's time we got back to a simpler way and sustainable way of living.

    Brexit may enforce this on us.

    Sep 16th, 2017 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    He doesn't think the UK is going down the drain, but he has applied for German citizenship because he doesn't want to be forced to leave his job, home and the life he's built because some politicians decide to play tit-for-tat.

    If people want to live the simpler life then more power to them, and maybe some of us would even benefit from having to live like that. But being poor sucks and I wouldn't want to force it on anyone.

    Sep 16th, 2017 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Conqueror

    @The Voice. As I recall, the original concept was for a United States of Europe, yes. But not including the UK because “we have our own dream/destiny”. It's unfortunate that we joined since the only idea was to avoid another european war that we'd have to go in and sort out. So, once we're out, let's remember that. The next time that the Franco-German empire decides to have a war, we should let them get on with it. Just wait until they've reduced their non-viable, and migrant, populations to a suitable level.
    @JanH. Thought it was supposed to be a “union”. There should have been no need to “compete” with the “empire”.
    @Demon Tree. Wait and see. Especially for the “new” EU. “Free movement” everywhere. Including for the uncontrollable migrants. No opt-outs. An EU “finance minister” to ensure that the Empire gets its ever-increasing “cut”. And I see that the Irish have just worked out that their “short-cut” across the UK is about to come to an end. Lovely cross-Channel ferries! And I wonder how the, reported, 300,000 Irish residing in the UK are going to get on voting in european “elections”? And you're one of “the young”, are you? Did you ever try to get an education and some experience? As far as your “friend” is concerned, all I see is someone who deserted his country for his own benefit. Chickens and roost come to mind. I have no sympathy. If there's one thing in this life that's a certainty, it's that things change. Did he ever really think that his life should come before those of the 65 million people that actually live here? More fool him.
    @St John. What lies? I suppose you can read, but can you comprehend? That SUGGESTION didn't persuade me either way. I'd already been forced to live under european domination for more than four decades. I wanted no more. If you couldn't comprehend what the words actually said, that's your problem.

    Sep 17th, 2017 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • SkippyVonBraun

    The question is why is this piece appearing in Mercopenguin, a British government propaganda organ supposedly devoted to America, South America and the “South Atlantic”?

    Sep 17th, 2017 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Clyde15


    It appears that your friend has decided to make his life in Germany...good luck to him.
    However, whatever the UK does now is really none of his concern as he will have burned his boats...unless of course he will have joint nationalities.

    Again, you are assuming that life will be hell if no Brexit agreement is reached.
    It could just as easily be the same or better depending on world events outwith this narrow field.

    Sep 17th, 2017 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    It wasn't really like that. The job he wanted to do was in Germany so he moved there, and there were no difficulties because of the EU. Then I guess he enjoyed it, learnt German and stayed there. He doesn't want to give up his British citizenship, this country is still home to him.

    But he knows what it's like to have the rug pulled from under you, and he is angry that May is doing it to other people *in his name*. Because she refused to let EU citizens stay in Britain until there was an agreement about British citizens in Europe.

    I didn't mean to give the impression that life will be hell if we don't reach an agreement on Brexit. Life in Canada is not hell. ;) Anyway, I went for a walk along the cliffs in Devon today and it was just beautiful. It's nice to be reminded there are things that are bigger than us humans and our politics.

    Sep 17th, 2017 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Clyde15


    He is angry at May because....“ Because she refused to let EU citizens stay in Britain until there was an agreement about British citizens in Europe.”

    Should he not be equally angry at the EU's stance on this matter ? They will not agree to the UK's proposals and wish any matters of dispute to be settled by the ICJ not the UK parliament. So, why are we the bad guys ?

    Sep 18th, 2017 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • DemonTree

    Maybe he should be angry with the EU too, but they are not doing it in his name.

    It's inevitable there will be disagreements in the negotiations, IMO neither side is being especially reasonable right now.

    Sep 18th, 2017 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • golfcronie

    St John, I think you will find that what was said at the time was “ the 350 million a week could be used to fund the NHS” it never said it would be used to fund the NHS, totally different.

    Sep 20th, 2017 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse +1

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