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Family confirm body recovered in Argentine Patagonia is that of missing activist
The body recovered from a river bed in southern Argentina is that of a missing activist who disappeared two months ago during a police operation, his brother confirmed on Friday. Santiago Maldonado, a 28-year-old tattoo artist, was last seen being detained by paramilitary police as they moved to disperse a protest march by the Mapuche indigenous group in the Patagonia Chubut province, on August first. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Hay mujeres y hombres que intuyen que la violencia ejercida contra Santiago guarda proporciones inversas con sus cualidades superiores como ser humano...”
Oct 21st, 2017 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse -2“There are women and men that sense that the violence exerted against Santiago is inversely proportional with his superior qualities as a human being...”
https://www.lahaine.org/mundo.php/santiago-maldonado-final-y-principio
So, blackstabber Gauchito Drink, you'll be donating your ranch and horses to the Mapuche? C'mon let's see it!
Oct 21st, 2017 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse +3@Think
Oct 21st, 2017 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Excellent points about Santiago Maldonado's yet officially unexplained, untimely death.
Those who are old enough to have witnessed the genesis of the state terrorism in the Argentina of the 1970s know that the reaction of the Argentines at large will be closely monitored to see whether society will accept extra judicial executions as a method of silencing protests.
The Macri government has conducted public opinion polls to measure how much (or how little) the Santiago Maldonado case may influence the upcoming election.
If the election results show the government can get away with murder, more police brutality can be expected to quell social protest in the near future.
Kamerad /Komrade Rique, your K thug cops offed him in hopes of derailing the election and you pontificate your crap blaming Macri. You are literally (and you can quote me on this,) the living embodiment of the “banality of evil.” You supported Peron's torture of students, academics, and trade union Leaders and come heer acting like nothing happened?Why weren't you down there to defend him? Oh yeah, I get it, you couldn't come down because you failed to get your snout in the trough. Bummer, eh?
Oct 21st, 2017 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Dear Sr. Massot...
Oct 21st, 2017 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Let's hope that our people vote this administration down in tomorrow's legislative election...
And let's hope the opposition can pull itself together during the next two years...
We have survived worst... haven't we...?
Saludos...
El Think
@Think
Oct 21st, 2017 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was hard going, and I don't understand why they say 'inversely proportional'.
What do you think happened? And do you live anywhere near this place? Everyone is saying contradictory things about the location his body was found and whether it had been searched before.
Dear Mr. Massot, and others
Oct 21st, 2017 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Frankly comparing the Dictatorship that ruled Argentina in the 197'0's with the current government shows a total lack of knowledge of what happened then and what the current situation is with the Macri government. In the 1970' over 30.000 persons went “missing”, there were ilegal detentions, etc.which anybody who lived in Argentina at the time and subequently kept abreast of the fiindings of the Committee set up to investigate theses issues will recall. I cannot agree that this the situation with the current government, nor for that matter it's predecessor.
Personally I strongly believe and sustain that the judicial system is improving - albeit slightly and slowly - and that the truth of what actually happened will come to light at some point. In the meantime we should respect the family of the deceased, allow them to get over this dreadful incident to grieve the loss of a dear-one in peace, quietness and total respect from us all.. And above all avoiding that this whole unfortunate matter become “politized” by any political party, whatever their leanings may be.Let the electorate decide what they consider best for the country and go forward from there.
Mr. DemonTree
Oct 21st, 2017 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3“Near” is an elastic concept down here...
Let's say that I know that specific place quite well...
Have driven through it hundreds of times + fished and packrafted it...
Mr. Little J.
Frankly the ONLY person comparing the Dictatorship that ruled Argentina in the 197'0's with the current government in this post is YOU..., which shows a total lack of good faith from your side...
Have a good life...
El Think...
@Think
Oct 21st, 2017 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you can give us a better idea of what it is like then?
If they found his body upstream of the protest site (is that true?) then we can assume he didn't drown while the others were crossing the river. But could the body have been in the river for a while? The newspapers said it's shallow, but full of roots and stuff, is that correct? And how isolated is this place?
Mr. DemonTree...
Oct 21st, 2017 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1One link says more than 100,000 words...:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2062967-imagenes-exclusivas-asi-fue-el-rastrillaje-que-hizo-la-policia-en-la-busqueda-de-santiago-maldonado
At the bottom of the article you will find a frame with 11 pictures... They will give you a general idea...
- In one of them..., you will see a ramshackle shed close to the river..They found the body floating on the surface..., some 100 yards upstream that shed... (to the pictures right)...
Video number two in the article shows aerial takes of the first search (out of a total of four) made on the 14/8/17...
Judge for yourself if three searches of this kind..., including some 300 men..., inflatable rafts..., divers..., dogs..., drones..., manned helicopters and God knows what else..., on such a rivulet..., that at that time of year ain't deeper than a little pony..., can miss a human body...
What a weird looking landscape. Is the picture with the shed the place where some of the protesters crossed the river to escape from the police?
Oct 21st, 2017 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Since I've read a lot of crime novels, I know that dead bodies are supposed to sink, and then float back to the surface after some amount of time. But if they already searched the river and missed it, well, they must've done a really shitty job. How has the weather been upstream from there, had much rain lately?
And why did the police go to search for him dressed up in riot gear? Why did that woman have a t-shirt tied around her head to hide her face? It looks like the place they found him was the area the Mapuche were occupying, and not near a road, which makes me wonder how easy it would be to dump a body without anyone noticing.
I suppose the autopsy should tell us how long he was in the river, and if there is evidence of drowning. They already said there was no sign of violence, although I don't know how they can tell if he's been dead since August.
And it now comes out that he did not know how to swim. Fascinating...
Oct 21st, 2017 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I repeat...: “A rivulet..., that at that time of year ain't deeper than a little pony” is tall...
Oct 21st, 2017 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You know how tall a pony is at the withers...?
14 hands... that's it...
You have no idea what the depth was when he died, and since it's glacial runoff, the water is cold, which would help preserve the body
Oct 21st, 2017 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@imoyaro
Oct 21st, 2017 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The very first stories about it mentioned that he could not swim.
@Think
Do you think I'm familiar with horses? I've never ridden one in my life.
But 4'8” is plenty deep enough for someone who can't swim. Can you see the bottom? At that depth I doubt it, especially under the trees. It should have been relatively easy to search though. Question is, did they bother searching the river upstream of where the other people crossed? It's still unexplained how his body got there.
Some information has come out about the autopsy, but perhaps we should wait for the official report.
I would like to know why the police went to search for him wearing riot gear though.
Cui Bono: Whos gains from this?
Oct 21st, 2017 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Election this Sunday 22 October.
Mr. Demontree...
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse -1Well..., at least now..., you know something about horses...
If you look again at those aerial photos of the river that runs through what you call..., “a weird looking landscape”..., taken a fortnight after Mr. Maldonado dissapearance..., you will observe that the bottom can easily be seen...
If you look again at the aerial video of the first search on the river that runs through what you call..., “a weird looking landscape”..., taken a fortnight after Mr. Maldonado dissapearance..., you wil observe that there are a lot of cops going 100 or more yards to the right and to the left of the ramshackle shed... just there were the body was recently found...
You would like to know why the police went to search for him wearing riot gear... you say...
I say...:Are you familiar with the ancient Latin word...: Circus...?
Maybe you haven't read the right crime novels..., lad...
Try Sherlock Holmes... He was an observant Engrishman... ;-)
Hmm, there's one picture where I can clearly see the bottom, most of the others are too far away or just show reflections from the trees. It doesn't really tell me what it looks like from the river bank though. There's a lot of trees all along the river and they must make it hard to see anything.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1And I watched the video again, but I couldn't see the same shed that's visible in the slideshow. If they only searched from the bank I would not be surprised if they missed the body, but if they were in the river I'd have thought it would be harder to miss.
I have read all the Sherlock Holmes stories; he always insisted on visiting the scene and searching for clues himself. Of course, there were no forensics in those days, so it made sense in the story.
If the autopsy confirms that he drowned, will you believe it?
1) Sooo... you can se the bottom on one picture... What could one infer of that...?
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse -12) Those policemen were on a first dead man search on a Patagonian river... ., not walking their dogs in the park...
Those policemen were on a second dead man search on same Patagonian river..., not walking their dogs in the park...
Those policemen were on a third dead man search on same Patagonian river.., not walking their dogs in the park...
- Stop playing naive... It is tiring...
I would have no reason not to believe in the result of the autopsy...
“What could one infer of that...?”
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not enough.
What's your explanation then?
Gaaab...
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse -1What Shrinkbrain is trying to tell you but is afraid of saying straight out (as he remembers what they did to Nisman) is, that Maldonado was murdered by the same Kirchnerista thugs who pelted the British cars with stones a couple of years ago.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse +1If the autopsy says he drowned, and was in the water for at least 60 days, then what's more likely? That there are places in the river a body can hide, or that he was somewhere else (in cold water?) and the body was moved and placed there in the Chubut river between the 2nd and 3rd search?
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The government has everything to lose with this case and the populist/left everything to win. Also, populists must always have a martire and a cruel enemy. IF there was intentionally murdered, who was most likely to have done it?.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1If somebody would ask for the uninformed, humble opinion of a Chubutense countryside dweller..., that has rafted that river in its entire lenght a couple of times..., he would probably dare to risk mentioning the prospectual likehood of a high probability of that body being kept somewhere else under the waters of the Chubut river and later moved and placed where it was finally found...
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -3NOT between the 2nd and 3rd search..., mind you..., but between the 3rd. and 4th. search...
I am sure the dinosaur and his little British laddie can solve this mystery if they continue to intently discuss it on Mercopress. Perhaps Amos Decker could help?
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -2@Think
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Somebody' did already ask and you apparently didn't dare say anything more than 'Gaaab'.
But okay. Why would anyone want to move the body from one part of the river, to another place? Because they wanted it found right before the election? The papers claim Cambiemos's approval rating has dropped since the body was discovered.
Nope..., lad...
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You asked......: “Can you see the bottom? At that depth I doubt it, especially under the trees”.
I answered.....: “If you look again ............. you will observe that the bottom can easily be seen”.
You replied.....: “Hmm, there's one picture where I can clearly see the bottom...... ”.
I responded....: “Sooo... you can se the bottom on one picture... What could one infer of that...?”
You riposted..: “ What could one infer of that...?” Not enough.”
I yawned in Scandinavian...: Gaaab...
The Argentine forensics people have reminded the uninitiated that it is common for a drowned person to initially sink for some period of time, and to later surface due to the effects of internal gases produced during decomposition. Given the low temperature of the river, the decomposition can be expected to be rather slow.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Mapuche witness who now has revised his testimony and claims to have been with Santiasco when he was last seen, and who lost sight of him as both attempted their river crossings, has provided no suggestion that either of them was injured by the police, and is evidently the same Mapuche witness who knew exactly where to find the body in order to make the call to get his 2 million in reward.
The earlier reports that the location of the body was previously searched have been amended in the media, and apparently the authorities have now indicated that the original searches didn't cover that location.
If tinkle had actually once seen that section of the Chubut river he *might* remember that much of the shoreline is choked with vegetation.
https://images.clarin.com/2017/09/23/SkGOPCXsW_930x525.jpg
So a city hooligan from Bs As province with no knowledge of the patagonian environment and who couldn't swim, without enough body mass to protect against hypothermia in a quite cold river, after participating in criminal activity with a gaggle of mendacious Mapuches, manages to drown.....
Hmmmm. And why hadn't that area been searched already? Was it because it was upstream from where the protesters crossed? Do dead bodies commonly drift 100m upstream against the current?
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The river does not look at all clear in that picture though.
@Think
And do you always only reply to the first part of my post? It certainly looks like it, as you have done the same again.
“The river does not look at all clear in that picture though.”
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...!
That picture was taken the 18th. october 2017...
Winter is over... we are in the midst of Spring and the melting waters..., grayish of suspended silica..., augment tenfold the Chubut river flow ...
Happens every year..., boy...
It clearly is true that you don't answer questions, as you still haven't answered mine about why anyone would want to move the body.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Is there a similar picture from the first search, from on the river rather than above it? Because what one sees in an aerial view is often different to being on the water. And even if most of the river is clear, that doesn't mean there aren't murky places under all that vegetation.
And also... I asked if it had rained lately, but obviously that was the wrong question. The snow is melting and the flow in the river has drastically increased, perfect for freeing a body that might have been caught on something under the water.
Boy... I told you many times before...
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I'm not your secretary...
Nor your Mom...
I answer the questions I like or find interesting...
Other questions..., you could try asking politely... It usually helps...
Cos you're so polite to me? I tried that, I concluded it didn't work.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Anyway, this seems like the worst possible moment for the body to be found, from the government's point of view. Earlier and they could have finished the autopsy and cleared up some of the mystery. Later and it wouldn't have affected the election.
Uhhhhhhhhh...... the election....
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Fun commences in less than one hour...
Polls are only open between 8am and 6pm? That's a such a short time! There must be people who work on a Sunday...
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geeee.....
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1As we say in Argentina...
No hay poronga que te venga bien...!
If we are to believe Shrinkbrain, he “has rafted that river in its entire lenght a couple of times” including the part of it where Santiago Maldonado was found.
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Right here: https://images.clarin.com/2017/10/20/HkPqywvpb_600x290.jpg
If somebody were to say that Shrinkbrain is a liar, it would be extremely rude to contradict that person.
Don Alberto, Gauchito Drink likes to tell people he owns a ranch in Chubut. It's rather clear he lives in Europe. In general, the only thing that appears to be true regarding his claims and statements in here is that he has a fondness for hard liquor... ;)
Oct 22nd, 2017 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Reekie: “Those who are old enough to have witnessed the genesis of the state terrorism in the Argentina of the 1970s ...”
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse +3Little J: “Frankly comparing the Dictatorship that ruled Argentina in the 197'0's with the current government shows a total lack of knowledge...”
Thinko: Frankly the ONLY person comparing the Dictatorship that ruled Argentina in the 197'0's with the current government in this post is YOU...”
Erm no, Reekie started it as the thread above clearly shows. Or are you saying that Reekie isn't a person?
In fairness, I must say I would never refer to Kamerad/Komrade Rique as a person. I always refer to him as an “individual” at best. ;)
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse +2It's rather curious that the bloc that suicided Nisman is so self-righteous over the self-inflicted drowning of a delinquent tattoo slinger. But hey, that's Argentina.
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1Who will be the first to inform us that Maldonado was kicked and beaten, then drowned in the river and then unkicked and unbeaten? ... Idiot Child Reekie has my vote, odds 84 to 1.
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1Macri's Cambiemos won even in “Think?”'s Chewbut
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0CAMBIEMOS CHUBUT .............. 31%
FRENTE PARA LA VICTORIA .. 29%
http://www.resultados.gob.ar/escrutinio/dat07/DDN07999A.htm
Kris is going to jail.
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1Given the usual speed in Argentine justice, Kris will be 116 years old before she finally is wheeled through the door to the jail.
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse +1imoyaro,
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse +1”In fairness, I must say I would never refer to Kamerad/Komrade Rique as a person. I always refer to him as an “individual” at best. ;)” :-)
The only logical explanations for Think's “the ONLY person” statement are
.
1. Reekie is not a person, or
2. Think is a Turnip.
;-)
This just in from CN5, Kamerad/Komrade Rique and Gauchito Drink's favorite TV station...
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.infobae.com/teleshow/paso-en-la-tv/2017/10/23/la-reflexion-de-victor-hugo-morales-tras-la-derrota-de-cristina-kirchner/
It certainly reads like Kamerad/Komrade Rique to me.
Judging by the generally positive election results, the drowning of a few more rats could provide even greater benefits for this country.
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@don Alberto “ ...Kris will be 116 years old before she finally is wheeled through the door to the jail.”
She looks like 116 already.
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Given that CFK couldn't be bothered to vote for herself, how much work do you think she will put in for her constituents? How will she spend her time as a senator? If she tries to continue as she did when president it could be interesting given that she's under investigation and I expect her financial transactions are being watched.
Oct 23rd, 2017 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if becoming a senator will give her just enough rope to hang herself? Greed is often to downfall of the corrupt. We shall see...
”Don Alberto, Gauchito Drink likes to tell people he owns a ranch in Chubut. It's rather clear he lives in Europe. In general, the only thing that appears to be true regarding his claims and statements in here is that he has a fondness for hard liquor... ;)”
Oct 24th, 2017 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Everyone knows that Tinkle and his sock puppets are situated in Dunoon and remote controlled from Number 65 Brook Street. This is despite claiming he is a horsemeat dealer in the dinosaur district of Chubut. An abundance of whisky and constant viewing of YouTube videos featuring semi naked females fuels his pro K delusions.
What has happened to “Think” and EnReekie, it's been days since ...?
Oct 25th, 2017 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing untowards, I hope.
Gauchito Drink is on another thread trying to claim a judge's statement proves there was no witness to Maldonado's drowning. He's lying of course, the witness talked to lawyers under promise of anonymity, not the authorities, and judge has never seen any witness. Same old half truth to promote a lie that we have routinely come expect from Gauchito Drink and his better half, Kamerad/Komrade Rique as they tango around the room. Here's an article with the facts...
Oct 26th, 2017 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2075976-gustavo-lleral-nadie-aporto-un-dato-certero-de-donde-estaba-santiago
TWIMC...
Oct 27th, 2017 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0On another thread..., I linked to an article in which the federal judge on the “Santiago Maldonado” case..., Mr.Gustavo Lleral..., destroys the false stories of the Clarin newspaper about certain bombastic declarations from a certain ”Witness (E)“... by denynig the existence of such a ”Witness (E)“...
Below..., I link to an article in which the officer in command of the 17/10/17 river search..., Prefect Leandro Ruata and two other officers..., destroys the false stories of the Clarin newspaper about deep water holes..., murky waters and strong currents..., by declaring to the Judge that..., on that date..., the area on question had a maximum depth of 1.40 meters..., there were no ”deeper holes” in it... and that the very same area had already been searched before...
Furthermore..., they declared that on the previous searches of the 17/8/17 and on the 18/9/17 the depth of the river was no more than 1,00 meter..., that the water was almost transparent then and that the bottom could be easily seen..., even from the banks...
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/71945-una-zona-ya-rastrillada-y-poco-profunda
Pagina12...More lies from the Narcokleptocrats.
Oct 27th, 2017 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://rantburg.com/images/piefight05.jpg
TWIMC...
Oct 27th, 2017 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All info in the above Pagina 12 article originates and is duly recorded in the official case file in Esquel, Chubut, Argentina...:
“EXPTE FCR 8232/2017, fojas 3632/3634, N.N. s/ desaparición forzada de personas Art. 124 del Código Penal”.”
Uh huh, all of the articles linked to “EXPTE FCR 8232/2017, fojas 3632/3634, N.N. s/ desaparición forzada de personas Art. 124 del Código Penal” were posted in late August, when nobody knew where to look for the body. Nice try Gauchito Drink, they had no idea that he was upriver of the original area they searched. Another lame attempt at diversion, I see...
Oct 28th, 2017 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“¡Borracho, Payaso! ¡Vos Sos El Mentiroso!”
Uh huh, all of the articles linked to “EXPTE FCR 8232/2017, fojas 3632/3634, N.N. s/ desaparición forzada de personas Art. 124 del Código Penal” were posted in late August, when nobody knew where to look for the body. Nice try Gauchito Drink, they had no idea that he was upriver of the original area they searched. Another lame attempt at diversion, I see...
“¡Borracho, Payaso! ¡Vos Sos El Mentiroso!”
http://rantburg.com/images/piefight05.jpg
TWIMC
Oct 28th, 2017 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“*” “EXPTE FCR 8232/2017, N.N. s/desaparición forzada de personas Art.124 del Código Penal ”*“..., is..., since the 27/8/17..., the new title of the Official Case File in Esquel, Chubut, Argentina...
”*“ fojas 3632/3634 ”*”..., refer to the three pages on the above mentioned Official Case File where the depositions of the three officers were duly registered on the 23/10/17...
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