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Cristina Fernandez testifies in alleged cover up of deadliest terrorist attack in Argentine history
Ex Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has denied in court that she covered up for Iranians accused of involvement in the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in which 85 people were killed. Read full article
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Oct 27th, 2017 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse +1This is a despicable persecution, so obviously politically motivated. There should be a worldwide defence campaign for Cristina.
Oct 27th, 2017 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse -5On a lighter note, I loved the badass way she handled herself in court. When she asked a guy who had his mobile phone out and on if he was recording the proceedings he said it wasn't able to record; she said he should get a better one.
BK
Oct 27th, 2017 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse +1Are you for real. I can't think of anyone in the UK who gives a toss about this has-been.
If she is innocent then she will be exonerated or is she above the law ?
You seem to think so.
I can think of many. Including our PM in waiting JC =)
Oct 27th, 2017 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -5https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVO_pQIUER0
Oct 27th, 2017 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Chuckle..., chuckle...
@Clyde15
Oct 27th, 2017 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be surprised if a single one of the people I know in real life even recognised her name. The spectacle of some Brit fanboying over her is just so bizarre.
You have named one !! Give us a clue of the other numpties.
Oct 27th, 2017 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The old harpy will be going down at some point. JC PM! Bahahahahaha..
Oct 27th, 2017 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You can trust her absolutely.
Oct 28th, 2017 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1She's the one who also testified that poverty in Argentina was less than 5 percent, that the inflation in the years 2011 through 2015 was below ten percent and that anybody could buy as many US dollars they wanted.
You can trust her absolutely, although her evil enemies say that almost every word that comes from her mouth is part of a lie.
¡Fuera Cristina! ¡Vos sos La Asesina!
Oct 28th, 2017 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/60807/0x0/nisman-muerto.jpg
Mr. DemonTree...
Oct 28th, 2017 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse -2And I'm surprised over the spectacle of some Brits bitching over her..., specially those who declare that they'd be surprised if a single one of the people they know in real life even recognised her name. The spectacle is just so bizarre....
@Think
Oct 28th, 2017 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse +2Wouldn't you find it strange and suspicious if someone from Argentina starting posting about how wonderful Mike Summers was, and how he did such a great job running the Falklands?
I'm not trying to insult her, just telling the truth. You can blame our media for not reporting much news from Latin America, or the people for showing little interest in it, but that is the way things are. How many countries could you name the President or PM of, without looking it up?
Think
Oct 28th, 2017 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +3In a recent TV quiz show contestants were asked to identify past and present world leaders and Kirchner's picture was included. No one identified it or had even heard of her.
It's a pity we don't hear about it more, because politics is a lot more exciting in South America. Former presidents put on trial, current ones accused of serious crimes, a prosecutor turning up with a bullet in his brain the day before he's due to testify, 'judicial coups', massive corruption scandals, dodgy dealing in Mercosur, various presidents trying to change their constitutions so they can stay in power longer, and the disaster that is Venezuela.
Oct 28th, 2017 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. DemonTree...
Oct 28th, 2017 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -3You have just answered your very own question about how “strange and susicious” it is for a young Brit to interest himself in South American politics...
You gave the very same reason Mr. British_Kirchnerist presented looooong ago...
How many countries could I name the President or PM of, without looking it up...?
71...
How about you...?
Hmmm. Nope, it's still strange and suspicious. Knowing who she is is one thing, but hero worshipping some other country's leader, and one who is decidedly unfriendly to your own country, is quite another.
Oct 28th, 2017 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I couldn't name anywhere near 71; I have a dreadful memory for names. In particular I doubt I could have named a single South American president between the time Chavez died and when I started reading this website, and I used to read the news every day. Which of us do you think is more typical?
BK says outlandish things about CFK and the response is often, “Are you for real”??
Oct 28th, 2017 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +1No, he's not for real. He's a bit like a troll trying to get a rise out of everyone. He's pretty entertaining too.
Fernandez is a hag, a clown, & corrupt to the bone. BK just says the opposite because it surprises everyone.
CFK is beautiful, and stately, and very honest. While everything in reality demonstrates the first description.
BK is just playing with everyone.
Mr. DemonTree...
Oct 28th, 2017 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Hmmm... with your above mentioned criteria these Engrish men...: https://www.chagossupport.org.uk ...,
who hero & worship some Man Fridays and Tarzans who are decidedly unfriendly to Engeland must be strange and suspicious too...
I'm not seeing the similarity there. Who is 'hero & worshipping' whom?
Oct 28th, 2017 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Seriously, imagine some Argentina telling you how great one of the MLAs on the Falklands is, what a wonderful speech he gave, how handsome he is, how badass he acted. Wouldn't you feel a tad nauseous?
Seriously, imagine some Argentinean telling you how great one of the British PM candidates is, what wonderful speeches he gives, how decent he is, how badass he acts. Why would anyone feel nauseous..?
Oct 28th, 2017 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IVO_pQIUER0
Chuckle..., chuckle
Yup, makes me feel nauseous. I just don't get it. Maybe I lack the hero worship gene?
Oct 28th, 2017 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1And we all know you wouldn't support Corbyn if he believed in self-determination, you just want a PM who would negotiate the Falklands. Same as you support Scottish independence because it would weaken Britain but have no interest at all in Catalan independence.
And l know I support Corbyn..., cause he believes in negotiation to solve political conflicts..., as he has shown on the current Catalan issue. Same as I support Scottish independence because they truly deserved and, as a side dish, it would weaken Engelands haughty nuclear bullying foreign policies...
Oct 28th, 2017 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -4You don't think the Catalans deserve independence then?
Oct 28th, 2017 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do think the Catalans deserve independence...
Oct 29th, 2017 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse -1I'm surprised you haven't commented on any of the stories then. I thought you didn't care.
Oct 29th, 2017 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Corbyn, I wouldn't trust him to negotiate. He liked to hang out with IRA members, but It wasn't him that negotiated the Good Friday agreement.
Just “hanging out” with them boys you say..., huhhhh...?
Oct 29th, 2017 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse -3https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Jeremy_Corbyn#Ireland
That is exactly why I don't want him to be PM. Not because he wants to negotiate, but because of who he supports.
Oct 29th, 2017 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Corbyn had been in power back then I don't believe he could have negotiated a peace treaty in NI, and the violence would have continued. Because if someone is going to negotiate on your behalf you have to be able to trust that they will represent your interests.
And it's the same now. Argentines would not trust Macri to negotiate, and we would not trust Corbyn, and certainly no Falklander would ever trust him. But you have a constitution to stop Macri doing as he likes (although that's a whole other can of worms). We only have public pressure, so I intend to keep it up.
Think
Oct 29th, 2017 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you support Scottish independence but the majority of Scots do not. So you would wish it on us against the bulk of the population. Very democratic of you.
Unification of Ireland would be great if both parties agreed. However, forcing the North into a Union could be problematic at the least. Religious bigotry is still there although the lid has been kept on it. To force a Protestant majority into what many consider a priest ridden society is a blueprint for trouble.
As the IRA kept up a regime of violence in the North, it could well be that the protestant groups would take to bombing the South and the pot would start boiling again.
We are not dealing with rational thought but deeply ingrained emotions and even hatred.
It has to be a wish from BOTH societies for unification to happen.
As for cheering for J.C., we are talking about a festival where probably half the audience are on drugs !
We are talking about leaders who admire the Venzuelan model, Cretina in BsAs and the bearded Cretins in the UK and Spain. Cretina is denying fraud and cover ups, Rahoy is denying democracy and free thought, our bearde cretin will jump on any campaign he thinks will help him. He is currently chasing the abuse scandal in west minster one in which he was given a report years ago but did nothing, one in which his own minister recently told abused women and girls to shut up and keep quiet about the abuse. All politicians are lying parasites.
Oct 29th, 2017 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0C.R.
Oct 29th, 2017 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would concur with your last statement with a few exceptions.
All in all, it is just the same old story. Too much jadda jadda about independence. Should Catalonia be allowed to break free? Will Brexit ever prove to have been the right move? Let's wait for our grandchildren to ask about it.
Oct 30th, 2017 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Back on topic, La Asesina's testimony went something like this...
Oct 30th, 2017 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse -2“I dunno nuttin!
”Youse got nuttin on me, flatfoot! Nuttin!“
”I dunno nunna dose guys!“
”Youse ain't never gonna take me, coppers! Never!“
I look forward to her getting called in on more corruption/money laundering charges, when she will say...
”What? It fell offa truck!”
@imoyaro
Oct 30th, 2017 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You really are not afraid of ridicule.
If you knew anything about the administration of justice AND if you knew even a little about the political Argentine context you would know that:
1. No one is guilty 'till proven so.
2. Macri, unable to come up with tangible results, is limited to send his on-call judges prosecute previous government characters...while carefully avoiding being hit by the fan projections.
Well I seem to have really put the cat among the pidgeons on this thread =)
Oct 31st, 2017 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think: “And I'm surprised over the spectacle of some Brits bitching over her..., specially those who declare that they'd be surprised if a single one of the people they know in real life even recognised her name.”
and “ You have just answered your very own question about how “strange and susicious” it is for a young Brit to interest himself in South American politics...”
Thanks for pointing out the obvious so I don't have to =)
Clyde: “In a recent TV quiz show contestants were asked to identify past and present world leaders and Kirchner's picture was included. No one identified it or had even heard of her.”
Maybe I should go on Mastermind with her as my specialist subject ;)
As for whether Cristina is badass, she definitely is, whatever you think of her policies, just check out this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iQ8zv-L84 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iQ8zv-L84 and beautiful too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-iQ8zv-L84
Since it came up btw, old hands here might remember I was against Scottish independence, and feel justified quicker than I actually expected in my faith in British wide socialism, with the rise of Corbyn. Spain and Catalonia is a tragedy, where Podemos almost made it all the way but the crushing of Greece and their own over-closeness to Tsipras led them to fall back. Rajoy is hanging on by his fingernails in a minority government propped up by a suicidally stupid PSOE, his cack-handed handling of the crisis making him the best friend of Catalan separatism. Don't mistake the beard as anything to do with Corbyn, actually one of the only top-rank EU politicians to condemn his repression. Puidgment is another idiot, UDI is not justified on a 42% turnout, this is adventurism not strategy and all started as a distraction from his Party's austerity policies. And I'm still mourning Catalan socialist Carme Chacon the best PM modern Spain never had
“Maybe I should go on Mastermind with her as my specialist subject”
Oct 31st, 2017 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go for it. I'm sure you'd win. But will you tell us how you come to know of her / know so much about her? That is what I am curious about.
FYI, since the redesign there is a bug in the site that means if you try to post multiple links in a comment they all turn into the first one. If you want to include more than one, you can break the link by removing the 'http', so it is displayed as text.
Anyway, I don't see what's so badass about her, and Macri is much better looking IMO.
And I'm not convinced Corbyn has much traction in Scotland. You should find Escoses Doido and argue with him about it.
Thanks for the tip, I always said you were the reasonable one =) This was my second link, guess I'll have to save the 3rd for next post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M74sFjkghHQ People really should watch the one I posted 3 times, now I'd love to see her impersonate Theresa May!
Oct 31st, 2017 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On Corbynism in Scotland, watch out for Richard Leonard's rise to the Labour leadership here.
On how I got to know about Cristina, I was already a big supporter of Chavez and when I saw there was a beautiful woman with the same political line and badass style as him running a developed country with so many parallels (and a certain special relationship!) with my own I wondered why she wasn't much better known. Maybe because of that special relationship ;)
As for Macri's looks, he kinda reminds me of Peter Capaldi, which only makes me like The Thick Of It and Dr Who less ;)
BK
Oct 31st, 2017 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and beautiful too ? Extensive plastic surgery and pumped full of Botox.?
You have a peculiar idea of beauty.
@BK
Oct 31st, 2017 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you've never said that. And I've seen that video before, but I thought the Macri one was more hilarious. (His dancing is pretty hilarious all by itself.)
What do you think of Chavismo now that we are seeing a lot of the dire predictions come true? And what special relationship are you talking about?
I just googled Peter Capaldi and I can't see much resemblance. I do think Temer looks a lot like Christopher Lee as Dracula though, and that's way cooler. I keep expecting him to wear a cape and grow fangs.
Clyde funnily enough after the two “badass” links I can now finally get to the “beautiful” one. Just for you ;) In all seriousness, on this evidence can anyone say she's not beautiful and badass, even if you hate her politics? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMSiEkhX4AApHYl.jpg
Oct 31st, 2017 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Demon: “I'm sure you've never said that.” Said what??
”Macri one was more hilarious. (His dancing is pretty hilarious all by itself.)“
Because he's bad at it. Cristina is actually very good at it, but in a relatable way, its all down to her passion and enthusiasm. Have you seen the other one I put up btw, she really hilariously captured Vidal's insincerity, no?
”What do you think of Chavismo now that we are seeing a lot of the dire predictions come true?“
The vultures are circling round Venezuela, the violent right wing opposition and Trump's not-exactly-peaceful US government. They did make one mistake in not moving away from oil dependency and have been hurt by the falling price, but even Saudi Arabia are finding that difficult and they have none of the challenges, socialist commitments, powerful enemies etc Venezuela has.
”And what special relationship are you talking about?”
Between Britain and Argentina - take a wild guess ;) But the parallels are actually much more interesting, with a party very similar to Labour, similar challenges of feral banking and austerity - and we both have good reason to hate Thatcher...
“I do think Temer looks a lot like Christopher Lee as Dracula though...I keep expecting him to wear a cape and grow fangs.”
You said it!
@BK
Oct 31st, 2017 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never said that I was the reasonable one. Unless you were posting under another name, of course...
“[Venezuela] did make one mistake...”
They made a few more than one! Lack of investment in their oil processing facilities. Removing competent employees in nationalised industries and replacing them with party loyalists. Price controls that destroyed agriculture. Spending all their money instead of investing some for a rainy day. The restrictions on imports and foreign currency that have closed up businesses. And of course, undermining democracy, which has become rather more blatant recently.
What challenges do you think Venezuela has that Saudi Arabia doesn't? Or how about Iran, they are also an oil exporting nation and not exactly best friends with the USA.
Britain and Argentina may had a special relationship before the first world war, but the divorce has long been finalised. I'm not seeing many parallels that aren't shared with multiple countries, and I sure hope the Labour party doesn't copy anything from Peronism.
I'm sure I called you reasonable on another thread, but maybe it was someone else. Comeon though be reasonable now and take the compliment ;)
Oct 31st, 2017 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was talking about a different special relationship but you obviously missed the irony.
More like Peronism copied Labourism actually, Peron's party for his first election in 1946 was called the Labour Party inspired by our 1945. In general the idea of a broad-church political party with its own “special relationship” with the unions is similar. And from within both the most healthy elements eventually came to the fore, in Kirchnerism and Corbynism
Argie memory lane...
Oct 31st, 2017 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1If I had a list of persons I completely despise in Argie politics..., the below linked one would be on the top ten...
José Alfredo Martínez de Hoz..., economy minister of our last dictatorship..., presenting here in 1980..., his 12 greatest Neo Liberal triumphes to his prisoners...:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=92s&v=ReCZ_uRD6Ag
Those triumphes were..., I quote...:
1- FREE pricing of goods and the ELIMINATION of all controls.
(Including monopoly and cartel controls)
2- FREE exchange of foreign currency and the ELIMINATION of all controls. (Including money laundering and tax dodging ones)
3- FREE exterior trade and the ELIMINATION of monopolies on grains and meat exports. (That must have been a joke!)
4- FREE export by the ELIMINATION of prohibitions and taxes on exports... (Guess what Martinez de Hoz's family buiseness has been the last 100 years)
5- Freedom to import. (Guess what Martinez de Hoz's family bussiness become after 1976)
6- FREE interest rates and a finance reform that opened that sector to internal and external competition.
7- FREE price setting on house rentals and the ELIMINATION of controls that affected the colaboration of the private construction sector in the ELIMINATION of the housing shortage.
8- ELIMINATION of political tariffs on public services.
9- ELIMINATION of subsidies and excessive protections on certain priviledged sectors of the economy. (Meaning the Organized Working Class and their Trade Unions)
10- FREE contracting of salaries.
11- FREE foreign investment.
12- FREE technology transfer.
THREE things spring to mind...:
1) This guy luuuuved FREE ELIMINATION...
2) This guy economical policies ruined Argentina ...
3) This guy economical policies are exactely the same as Macri's administration
@BK
Oct 31st, 2017 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't sure what you meant by 'special relationship', that's why I asked. I didn't know if you meant it seriously or not, and I still don't know what you mean.
I think a big difference between Peronism and Labour is that our Labour party is not based on one individual's ideas, but on some general principles. Peronism is so fluid that groups with completely opposite ideologies can claim to belong to it.
And we will have to agree to disagree on which elements of each party are the most healthy.
BK
Oct 31st, 2017 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had a look at your video picture . Sorry, but I don't consider her beautiful but I don't consider her ugly either.. You obviously see something I don't.
Matter of preference.
The beauty is on the inside..., Lowlander.
Nov 01st, 2017 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse -1Well, it must be well hidden and require investigative surgery to find...a lobotomy ?
Nov 01st, 2017 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse +1Inside and out, my dear Think. Though even her looks are related to her personality, you can tell in her eyes she's a good person and very smart and strong. Compare and contrast Vidal's nasty sneer.
Nov 01st, 2017 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That guy you mentioned from the junta cabinet, is he Queen Maxima's dad btw? The one who said he didn't know what was going on...
Mr. British_Kirchnerist...
Nov 01st, 2017 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -1;-)))
That guy I mentioned from the junta cabinet was not Queen Maxima's dad..., Jorge Zorregieta Agriculture minister from the 06/04/76 to the 29/03/81
That guy I mentioned from the junta cabinet was José Alfredo Martínez de Hoz..., Economy minister from the 29/03/76 to the 31/03/81...
They were good pals..., though..., and “none of them knew nothin' ”...
Here is an auld picture of the guy (far left)..., posing with his family at the main entrance of their Norman Castle called “Malal Hue”...
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ifOuM01nUNg/U1b9KG9HRVI/AAAAAAAAMxI/ve0ex7w2y3M/s1600/Mar+del+Plata+1941+-+Revista+Life-Hard+Preston+(23).jpg
A typical Argie family... as you can see... ;-)
I remember a few years back when there were the floods, and it came out that Cristina's own family were among those affected, in ordinary houses in the flooded area. And the Norman Castle brigade call her corrupt!
Nov 01st, 2017 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mom still living in that very same working class house...
Nov 01st, 2017 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK what on earth has a flood got to do with corruption? More than likely she diverted funds to help her own family. Christ you have blinkers on. You do NOT get very wealthy and have hotels on a Presidents salary. Actually perhaps you can tell us all, how much the President of Argentina is paid.
Nov 02nd, 2017 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Anglo Turnip just above...
Nov 02nd, 2017 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Or..., actually perhaps you can tell us all, how “VERY RICH” the former President of Argentina actually is...
Please..., no hearsays or biased personal opinions as usal...
Just some facts..., any facts..
Argentine wanker above.
Nov 02nd, 2017 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you can inform us how she can afford to buy a hotel on an Argentine Presidents salary which I understand amounts to $6000 per month after tax if she pays taxc.
Anglo Turnip just above
Nov 02nd, 2017 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nearly every penny is perfectly explained and documented in the last 30 years of the Kirchner familiy sworn income tax declarations... available at the AFIP homepage...
That's why they have to invent hearsays and fairy tales for them gullible Turnips (native and foreign) about hidden offshore accounts and 40' shipping containers full of dollars buried in secret caves on the bottom of unknown Andean valleys...
As I said above...
Give us some facts..., any facts..
Not just a Turnipy counter question...
“That's why they have to invent hearsays and fairy tales about hidden offshore accounts and 40' shipping containers full of dollars buried in secret caves”
Nov 04th, 2017 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, and then surprise surprise its not Cristina who turns up in the Panama Papers...
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