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Trump scheduled to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital; Arab allies warn of the consequences
US President Donald Trump will recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and direct the State Department to begin the lengthy process of moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to the city, according to senior Trump administration officials. The announcement, which is expected at 18:00 GMT on Wednesday, comes amid global condemnation of the move. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDoes it really matter where he puts his embassy?
Dec 06th, 2017 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that Israel don't seem to be objecting,and it is the US Embassy to Israel.
The Palestinians will object to everything and anything that does not involve the downfall of the state of Israel.
Not that I am any sort of Zionist,you understand,but Israel was created by the UN so is a lawful state,and,unlike it's neighbours,does not conduct wars on its own neighbours for any reason other than self defence,and certainly not for totally spurious religious purposes.
Some people in those parts need to grow up,join the twenty first century and create political institutions not governed by tribal or religious factions. Stopping the wishful thinking,dreams about the return of a past that never existed and blatant land grabs might be beneficial as well.
Jeruselam had a Christian connection long before Islam,and some might say a Jewish connection long before that.
However,modern states cannot be run on religious or tribal lines,any modern states,and all of them.
M
Of course Israel is not objecting. They have been trying for decades to get Jerusalem recognised as their capital.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It is just another “Trumpism”. Don't think of the consequences. He will have scuppered the two state solution by this action AND gained the animosity of even the USA's Arab allies in the middle east.
Iran will be gathering support and quoting this as proof of the USA's anti-Muslim agenda.
The man is a menace !
Put yourself in the position of the Palestinians and other muslims in the region. The crazy ones will turn to violence. There will be more deaths in the USA as a result of this Trump error than there was from 9/11.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Israeli Settlements
Dec 06th, 2017 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The balance is a democratic county -v- anti-democratic, hostile neighbours. The law on transplanted populations written in 1949 mainly to confirm that German's settled in occupied territories during WW2 did not have a right to self-determination.
For relevant legislation and application of law relating to implanted/transplanted populations (1 page), its application, and some attitudes of the United Nations Google: ''Falklands – Transplanted Population Academia'' ( 1pg)or use link.
Falklands – Implanted Population (1 page):
https://www.academia.edu/30505159/Falklands_Implanted_Population
What might be wrong with a one country solution then?
Dec 06th, 2017 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1M
The Israelis do not want a one country solution. They do not want to live WITH Palestinians but prefer to take their land OR wish they would disappear.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Israel lives with a significant internal and external Arab population.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I kinda think this whole thing is overblown. The surrounding states could hardly hate Israel any more - officially - and they are already angry with the US due to its support. The chances of any kind of two state solution were already vanishingly small, and nothing's going to happen for years anyway.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@merlin
“What might be wrong with a one country solution then?”
Demographics. There are already Arab Israeli citizens, but they are a minority. If all Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship, they would be a majority or close to it. It would be a totally different country.
The pre Israel arabs' claim over any part of Palestine is tenuous at best.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -2For a real eye opener review Article 24 of the PLO Covenant of 1964 disavowing any claim over the West Bank or Gaza.
In this regard the subsequent claims made by Arafat are not totally dissimilar from those made by Argentina with regard to the falklands in that they aren't timely and that they bootstrap on their own prior assertions.
Put in jeopardy the chance of peace in the Middle East, yes going well at the moment. The Arabs have for hundreds of years had many different “ tribes ” that have been at each others throats and that is not going to change in our lifetimes.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peace is overrated. Seek justice.
Dec 06th, 2017 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What might be wrong with a one state solution?
Dec 07th, 2017 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse -2M
If the arabs want to return from thence the came - principally the Hashemite Kingdom - there might not be a substantial problem.
Dec 07th, 2017 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse -2“I kinda think this whole thing is overblown. The surrounding states could hardly hate Israel any more - officially - and they are already angry with the US due to its support. The chances of any kind of two state solution were already vanishingly small, and nothing's going to happen for years anyway.”
Dec 07th, 2017 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have to admit, this would seem to be the case...
Conversely, if the “Jews” return from whence THEY came, USA, Poland, the old Soviet Union there might not be a substantial problem.
Dec 07th, 2017 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1I believe the west bank of the Jordan IS part of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan at present usurped by Israel..
By your reasoning the Arabs ARE in the territory they “came from”.
The West Bank isn't a part of Jordan any longer. That's what happens when you do Egypt's bidding and attack your neighbour - you forfeit a little real estate. Israel could have taken Amman if they wanted it and more than just the Golan.
Dec 07th, 2017 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Chronic
Dec 07th, 2017 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +1As I said...at present usurped by Israel..What you advocate is gaining territory by conquest.
The allies,in WW2, conquered Germany. It was divided into East and West. The western allies did not claim the state of W. Germany and returned it to statehood under German control. The Russians kept their client state in the East until the fall of the Soviet Union.
Similarly they “controlled” Hungary and Czechoslavakia. These countries were not subsumed into the Soviet Union although they were conquered.
Jordan took the West Bank from Israel in the 1948 war.
Dec 07th, 2017 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It might be better to give (most of) the West Bank back to Jordan, but I doubt they'd take it. Jordanians and Palestinians may have been one people before 1946 but they aren't now.
Dec 07th, 2017 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.congress.gov/104/plaws/publ45/PLAW-104publ45.pdf
Dec 07th, 2017 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The qualified level of support of Clinton/Bush/Obama may be shortly coming to an end.
bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7381315.stm
Dec 08th, 2017 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1By the time of an armistice in 1949, the Israelis had extended their territory, leaving Jordan with the West Bank, Egypt with Gaza and Jerusalem divided. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had fled or had been driven out.
Palestine was divided between the new state of Israel and a smaller Palestine.
This was disputed by the Arab nations in general. In the subsequent war in 1948/9 Israel acquired more territory including part of Jerusalem. The “west bank” of the Jordan came under Jordanian administration and remained so until the 1967 war when Israel annexed part of the territory and administered the remainder up to and including today.
This is a very simplistic view but Jordan did not take the west bank from Israel. Israel had never been allocated the west bank at the time of partition and the formation of the state of
After the first war, Jordan took over what was left of the old Palestinian areas.
The reference below gives a map of the ORIGINAL UN sanctioned state of Israel at the time of the partition of Palestine. Look at what they have now.
Israel.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/nov-29-1947-united-nations-partitions-palestine-allowing-for-creation-of-israel/
I had a holiday in Israel about 20 years ago and traveled about the south of the country up to the Dead Sea. As a matter of principle, I refused to enter the occupied territories.
I did notice a display of “untermensch” feeling from new east European immigrants to the Arab populations.
LOL.
Dec 08th, 2017 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_West_Bank
@Clyde15. I'm afraid your bias is showing. When did “palestinians” legally acquire any land? When has there been a country called “Palestine”? It's a geographical region. After the Romans attempted genocide in 70 AD, many Hebrews fled for their lives. Arabs moved in. In 1947/8, the United Nations agreed the re-establishment of Israel. Immediately after Israel's declaration of independence, it was attacked by four arab armies plus other arab contingents. The arabs lost of course. Israel has been attacked several times since. Generally speaking, it wins. However, using the principle of international law known as “uti possidetis”, Israel is entitled to retain anything it possesses at the end of an armed conflict. Justice and law is on Israel's side. It's just that the UN doesn't have the bottle to tell the arabs to shut up.
Dec 08th, 2017 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Palestinians disavow any claim to the West Ban or Gaza in 1964.
Dec 08th, 2017 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Article 24.). http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=640&doc_id=8210
Jordanians waived any claim on the West Bank in 1988.
http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=640&doc_id=8210
Jordanians get their ass kicked out of the West Bank in 1967.
Welcome to Israel.
You are correct in saying that the west bank is not Jordanian...it is Palestinian.
Dec 08th, 2017 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I refer you to your post.....“Jordan took the West Bank from Israel in the 1948 war.”
It is possible that I have missed something here.....when did Israel have claim to the west bank in the 1948 war ? Can you quote chapter and verse ?
Foreign relations of the United States, 1950. The Near East, South Asia, and Africa, p. 1096
QUOTE:-
“The United States, together with the United Kingdom favoured the annexation by Transjordan. The UK preferred to permit King Abdullah to annex the territory at the earliest date, while the United States preferred to wait until after the conclusion of the Palestine Conciliation Commission brokered negotiations.”
The Jordanians took over to prevent Israel claiming the area for inclusion in a greater Israel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_disengagement_from_the_West_Bank
Dec 08th, 2017 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Jordanians and Palestinians have previously went on the record that the West Bank isn't theirs and they don't want it.
Article 24. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_disengagement_from_the_West_Bank
So, who does the west bank belong to if the Palestinians don't want it, which is a total fabrication on your part. Where else would they live ? Or will the UN. give them a homeland in Argentina ?
Dec 09th, 2017 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse +2You still have avoided answering my question in my last post ...viz:-
“Jordan took the West Bank from Israel in the 1948 war.”
Chronic is back! Have they emptied Moccasin Bend?
Dec 09th, 2017 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1PLO Charter of 1964
Dec 09th, 2017 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields.”
US future... https://youtu.be/BBvIweCIgwk
Dec 09th, 2017 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-resolution/176/text
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