MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Shame on you Argentina
A heartbreaking photo of a tiny indigenous girl drinking from a filthy puddle in the blistering sun has prompted soul searching across Argentina and the wider Spanish-speaking world. The toddler, from the Mbya Guarani people who live across Brazil and Argentina, was reported to be begging for money with other children in the city of Posadas. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHey journalist...perhaps it might have been better to give her a bottle of water rather than taking photos...arsehole...
Dec 20th, 2017 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse -7Macri's regime has shone a bright light on the racism and dark legacy of colonialism in Argentine society, with the repression of the Mapuche and there supporters like Maldonado backed up by a campaign of lies and slanders. Now this photo from another part of the country encapsulates the real indigenous problem in Argentina, which is not some Bristol based terrorist group that doesn't exist.
Dec 20th, 2017 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse -10Cristina has always taken an enlightened anti-racist position, praising the indigenous renaissance across the continent as a “second independence” where “for the first time people have leaders who look like them”, but despite having had a good person at the top, and her more focused on other more immediate struggles such as that with the vultures, this is clearly still a deep problem, a legacy issue like those thrown up by the junta, as well as one made worse by the current regime. With their struggles having become so central to the opposition to Macri though, I expect Cristina's next government should now be in a position to do more on the indigenous issue than her last got round to doing.
Gosh Voice, you are sooo compassionate aren't you? You obviously don't like photos that are opposite to the Argentina that you like to portray. Anyway if you travel to Africa you will find children like that all over. Just shows what a backward country Argentina is.
Dec 20th, 2017 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse +6“Cristina has always taken an enlightened anti-racist position, praising the indigenous renaissance across the continent as a “second independence”..bla bla bla...this is the kind of pompous expressions CFK loved and all the fascist that surrounded her have always loved.
Dec 20th, 2017 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse +5This sad picture shows the reality of the poorest argentine provinces that have nothing to ”envy” from the african continent. Peronism has only worsened the situation of the poorest provinces.
Misiones Province has been lately governed by peronist people. Peronist governors ruled Misiones Province since year 1987...as happens in Formosa and Chaco, The poorest argentine provinces that have ALWAYS governed by peronists. Another proof that peronist cannot change people's fate...they just take advantage of poverty to make personal fortunes.
The more peronist a province is the poorer their people are !!!
Don't mistake me for an apologist for the Peronist provincial governors. Next you'll be saying I approve of them cutting a deal with Macri to pass his pension law! Recent events have clarified things, with Cristina leading a clean and intransigent opposition “isolated” from these characters - a strength not a weakness
Dec 20th, 2017 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse -11It is very possible that this poor child came to Posadas across the road bridge from Encarnación in Paraguay, where the ill-treatment and lack of concern shown by both the mestizo society and the authorities is even worse than in either Argentina or Brazil. In fact many indigenous families from Paraguay cross into both neighbouring countries in search of basic services. Paraguay is now with most unequal society in Latin America, where 1% of the population own 84% of the land and where land reform and protection of indigenous land rights is still non-existent, thanks to the ferocious opposition of powerful large landowners belonging to the Asociación Rural del Paraguay.
Dec 20th, 2017 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good points about Paraguay - and these issues were the backdrop to the coup against Lugo by those ferocious vested interests a few years ago. Btw, isn't “Shame on You Argentina” a strange title for a news article?
Dec 20th, 2017 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -11BK
Dec 20th, 2017 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +6There is POOR, Living below the POVERTY level and MISERY.
Argentina some time ago experienced a case of starvation which is shocking for such a wealthy country. It gives us all pause for thought here in South America.
Then again, people are searching in rubbish bins in Venezuela...
Anyone who has ever shared a planet with young children knows that they play in the mud because it's fun, and they eat dirt and drink muddy water even when nicer alternatives are available. It's part of being 3 years old.
Dec 20th, 2017 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3There are just so many reasons to detest such dishonest photographers. They should be spending their time showing the drunken peronchos burning tyres at road-barricades preventing the decent people from getting to productive activities around the country.
Golfcronie
Dec 20th, 2017 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -10“You obviously don't like photos that are opposite to the Argentina that you like to portray.”
In what way have I ever portrayed Argentina...?
Pray do tell or better still show us...
I reckon you are going to find that difficult...
Love the way the Argies declare the child is obviously from Paraguay, and some even denounce the photographer for making the child's pathetic circumstances public.
Dec 21st, 2017 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse +2They will not accept accountability.
Marti is correct. Journalism has gotten self centered, cheaply instigating and sensationalist. No one is going thirsty or hungry in Argentina. Pathetically and unnecessarily poor yes, stupidly educated also, those are the real issues. There are cultural personality problems developing in Argentina these last 30 years, and at the source of them is the English speaking North American/European world of capitalistic industrialist power blackmailing the very rich in our country, and all of it is covered over by this stupid nosy slanderous fake imported bullsh** about some supposedly existing “Argentine Colonialism” and some supposedly existing “Mapuche National cause”. The later one is nothing more than audaciously invented artificial story. I'm not sure who to be angrier at, if at Argentinians for giving up the knowledge of who we are, or if at the English press insolently treating our country like a coloring book painted with cheap journalistic over the counter rhetoric, which has had the the whole world believing the bullsh*** perpetrated in other parts of the world for these last 70 years, as if everyone is sadly mistaken or abusive, while the only righteous heroes on the planet are Britain and the US. ... Can humanity be so stupid as continue buying this crap !!!
Dec 21st, 2017 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -13It's fairly easy for journalists to paint a picture of poverty anywhere...
Dec 21st, 2017 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -10For instance...London...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/29/1409305518097_wps_64_29th_August_2014_Begging_.jpg
Perhaps more convincing than that dubious photo would be the news from the same province about the inability (unwillingness?) of the Kirchnerist government to finish potable water works:
Dec 21st, 2017 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +7MOJÓN GRANDE. ... más de 20 familias de Colonia Guerrero no tienen servicio de agua potable y sobreviven con agua estancada de una canaleta. En diálogo con MisionesCuatro, José Champes, vecino de la zona apuntó contra la intendente Renovadora Lucy Bar de Prichoda. Según denunció, hace unos cuatro años el Gobierno K inició la perforación de un pozo de agua y la obra quedó inconclusa. Los vecinos no tienen agua porque faltaron 500 metros de manguera....
ML,
Dec 21st, 2017 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +4If I may...
“BIG MOON. ... more than 20 families in Colonia Guerrero do not have potable water service and survive with stagnant water from a gutter. In dialogue with Misiones Cuatro, José Champes, a neighbor in the area, took aim against Intendant Renovadora Lucy Bar de Prichoda. According to denounced, about four years ago the Government K started drilling a water well and the work was left unfinished. The neighbors do not have water because 500 meters of hose were missing ..”
Lighting, be careful when translating “ mojón ” --- around here it usually means “turd.” But in formal meanings it's typically understood to be a boundary marker. Some of those who speak Chilean Navy will recognise that the surface fleet mariners call submarines “mojones.”
Dec 21st, 2017 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Marti
Dec 21st, 2017 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Yes...
ML + Chic,
Dec 21st, 2017 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, thanks.
I was confused by the translation. I thought it was referring to Kirchnerists
SIX MINUS VOTES !! lol ...This group is so full of yourselves ! At least this time no one bent over backwards struggling to put things together that would rebuttal with anything so as long it would contradict me. Therefore I will continue with the following...
Dec 21st, 2017 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -10Clearly the matter of this story has now become the fact that MERCO BULLSH*** PRESS has just published its most fake-ist story ever! That little girl is obviously just playing by herself looking into the water to see what she can find. WHY ISN'T ANYONE RESPONDING to what Marti just brought everyone's attention to ?! which has now become the greater story: MERCOPRESS 'S POLITICAL PROPAGANDIST AGENDA . I will now proceed to lay down a 10.000 dollar bet that no one here will dare near any thing that could be construed as he mildest acknowledgement of what has amply been demonstrated these last several years: That this internet publication is a politically aggressive instrument of propaganda attacking Argentina and South America with a blatant Falklandist British self serving economical political agenda, devoid of any love or respect for our South American family of nations, in fact seeking the opposite, to install an agenda of British centrist extra continental corporate interests, though it grotesquely lies using the name Merco Press cowardly and connivingly hiding in Montevideo, trying to pass as a Uruguayan publication. The only shame around here ought to be Britain's and now the Falkander's. A shame whose rock faced flustered discomfort refuses to acknowledge itself ever since the abusive war it hurdled onto the archipelago's people and the incapable of warring Argentine people and their nation in an already victimized and abused country, by the UK and the US's war against socialism and communism in bloody ASIA. Go ahead now, I expect minus 20 votes now ... from the lot of your thinking, brain washed clone drones
Patrick, you're an eejit.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse +4It seems that people simply don't agree with you.
Too bad if you do not like that.
@Patrick Edgar
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse +2“I will now proceed to lay down a 10.000 dollar bet...”
Don't promise what you can't deliver. There are people posting here who would certainly agree with that.
“and the incapable of warring Argentine people”
You're selling your countrymen short. Your airforce was really quite effective in the last war, and you did a number on Paraguay in the 19th century too, besides all the civil wars.
PS. I got more downvotes than that and I'm not even Argentine. You need to try harder.
Huh...I got more for stating a fact...
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse -2Touchy or what...?
Patrick my dear deluded and highly strung fellow...
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1Take a couple of Valium and go to sleep for awhile until your stomach is settled.
I personally suspect Mercopress is actually run by a secret and hidden group led by Pagerman...
I never been to Posadas... But in my part of the country there are water fountains in many squares and parks. Something isn't right here and I smell big time Amarillismo at work.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll be more precise @Demon Tree. Since our country's population was filled sea to mountain by the great migrations that came after the turn of the century, well after our last dumb and also unpassionately sought skirmish resulting in what became Uruguay over 180 years ago, the Argentine culture and society in our personality and day to day conversations, as well as the arguments we held in our international policy debating chambers, was never one that considered or even looked at “war” against other countries as options. We became simply a non warring people. Though this might be difficult to understand for the English speaking cultures whose babies are sat before tv violent guns and wars shows and large screen Hollywood movies video games and so on, proven by somone's comment here equating “our civil wars” (which never actually made it to the category of) to ”a warring country (or people)” which is what I'm talking about. You could say in this regard that Hispanic and Lusitanic American nations meaning South American nations each as a whole, their governments societies and cultures are at the opposite end of the international belligerence spectrum, compared to the those countries at the other end. This beautiful characteristic of my people, ever since the unwarranted and unprovoked militarization of the Falklands by Britain following the bundled attempt of the murderous generals to steal and easy medal of honor by retaking corruptly the Malvinas for Argentina, has tragically been slowly evaporating partly because of this constant provocation in our faces and partly because of the gargantuan increase since the same period of your imported cultural traits and style, substituting our own peace-seeking immigration-blessed congenial nature by a sense of confusion of who we are, and recent upswing of hot headed one track minded determination placed in different aspects, though incongruently almost cannibalistically opposing themselves in all of them.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse -7Patrick
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +4You have an aggressive attitude in your country,attacking a defenseless country ( FALKLAND ISLAND ) violent street protests and of course soccer matches. Have you ever been to a soccer match in BA, I certainly would not take my young sons to see a match there.It must be the Latin blood in you.
Patrick (sic) Edgar (sic)
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse +5I think you might want to re-visit your posts and try to envisage how they appear to an international audience. They read as if written by someone who is in the throws of a monumental sulk.
Your verbal diarrhoea seems to be straight from the “Argentina Always the Victim” play book.
@Patrick Edgar
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Seems to me there have been plenty of wars in Latin America. More in the 19th century, but Colombia only just ended their long-running civil war and Ecuador and Peru had a war in the 90s.
Still, I don't think Argentina has been particularly warlike since the start of the 20th century, except when it was ruled by the military. But you should understand that for us it was Argentina who started a war, and the people were cheering it on right up until they lost. The military base in the Falklands may or may not be needed today, but it certainly was provoked.
You live in the USA, don't you? You think your neighbours are violent people because they watched too many Hollywood movies?
@Demon Tree.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -9The true description of existential and human physical reality has entirely everything to do with Proportion, Quality, and Rate. And not with quantity or judgement. Yet on both perspective counts, the standard thinking quick and easy “Measurement plus Judging right or wrong, and good or bad”, or the more accurately seen way I just told, “Proportion, Quality and Rate”; the comparison is simply ridiculous and I continue to be inequivocabile right and unchallangeable. South American nations never warred on other countries outside their own waters edge. Non of us ever bombed another country's city. Non of us have genocidal weapons of mass destruccion. We are peace fairing nations notwithstanding our episodes of internal fighting. Your country is a warring foreign population and culture killing country. You simply can't argue this. None of you can. You can try, as you have been. But you simply always would loose this argument. Britain wars upon other countries on the planet. Argentina does not. Britain sliced up Africa and the Middle East into inhuman artificial boarders leaving an irritating mold for wars to come in societies it had already thrown its armies against. Argentina is trying to make UNASUR work, while Britain tries to pin its countries against one another and supports publications like MercoPress who try to have it fail. So quit slanderously panicking with a self defense of ridiculous ficticios bullsh** embellishments. The equation is simple. Britain=bad country. Argentina=good country.
Patrick
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +4You're just an evil piece of lowlife scum posting here who gets some sick gratification being the filth that you are. You will eventually choke on your own bile.
Argies are the biggest hypocrites on Earth. Go and ask a Mapuche or a Qom or a Mbya Guarani or any other indigenous person why it is OK for an ethnic Italian to live on the mainland but it is not OK for an ethnic Brit to live on the Falkland islands.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +3...or, is it just another manifestation of the Think/Nostril cadré of anti British sock puppets.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +4When one sees lunatic ravings in poor almost incomprehensible English like Patricks, its great entertainment! I wonder when he orders a Big Mac if he gets served with custard ....one of the frustrations of his daily life? No wonder he posts drivel!
Getting back to the subject, how misleading is the camera? But until you have braved the Villa Miserias you will have no idea.
Sadly for your woosy reasoning capabilities of at least three or four of you I have been reading so far, the brainwashed propagandist education you have had about the “Falkland Islands” is exhibiting itself by going at an explanation of islands ever so slightly differently one from the other. The islands have only one story. It's a story that starts with two colonial empires of the 1700's tugging at them for their possession, with ears closed to one another, yet not all that serious about them, compared to other very important power grabs that were going on elsewhere. Enter a country that modestly was then becoming its own nation and says “these islands can't survive on their own, they need to be part of our country, we will make them part of ours”. Spain says “reasonable enough, after all ... yadda yadda yadda” Britain (remember the “bad country”?) Says ”Oh good! Now that this defenseless country, who irrelevantly seems to be able to prove the islands should rightfully belong to their territory, Argentina, is the only one left to argue for them, we can just go back and take them for whatever we may want to use them for some day, but... we will have to put a handful of soldiers and a bunch of unsuspecting subjects on them, and keep them thinking the Argentine just want to take them for evil sport, in order to keep the islands and their people to naturally gravitate towards these Argentine (Since the islands by the standards of human civilization fated to support themselves on this Southern Cone country, enhanced by their very historical relatiohship) .... *note for the future: We may need a war some day against the Argentine though, to hammer in antagonism into these subjects, and make sure our colony outpost base survives against their natural destiny, being part of Argentina.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Folks. I got news for you, the Falklands as long as they under the British flag, will always be a “contra-natura” provocative bullying antagonizing effort, Argentina is stupidly patient with
@Chicureo
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It's obvious from his pic he's coked to the gills...not to mention his gift for “free association.” ;)
@Patrick Edgar
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Darragh is right. You're just another person who thinks Argentina is always the victim and anything bad must be someone else's fault. It's a lot healthier to face the fact that no country is perfect and we all make mistakes.
If you think countries that make war on others are so bad, why are you living in America instead of Argentina?
imoyaro
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2A very sick individual who does not deserve the oxygen he consumes on this planet.
LOL ... In lieu of anything intelligently matching my points in the same category and level of discussion I routinely become the picked on bashed target of the brainless. Just like in facebook. Oh Well. You can only ask so much from social networks and self serving politically narrow minded propagandist on-line publications!
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4@Demon Tree. If the heinous scourge of war's murdering of countries societies and cultures, is human civilization's worst willful element or characteristic, it occupies a hellish pinnacle vertice above which continues the count of 2 and then the rest of all numbers. That means immediatly after War's occurance, come countries which are less war prone, war capable or war desiring, and countries which are less. I do believe Argentina is on one side of that division, while Britain, America, Russia, China, Iran, Iraq, France, etc etc are on the other.
What dimwits like Patrick miss is that to sensible people in Argentina and Britain that the presence of English speaking people and British defence forces on tne Falkland Islands is not a problem. Its only a problem to manipulated brainwashed morons like him who dont wield any power anyway. If Argentina ruled the Falkland Islands attitudes to Britain would not change one iota, so it makes no difference to Britain. South Americans have no concept of Cricket or fair play...in particular many Argentines would consider stealing anything that wasnt bolted down is fair game.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Hat Trick, unlike a number of Argentines I know, and a few intelligent posters in here, you'll never be anything but a lying, stinking, genocidal Kurepi. What was it your god, Sarmiento, said, that the Paraguayans needed be killed in the womb? :)
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3There is no sperate entity Falkland Islands or Falklanders, @Squeak. Excuse me while I attempt to brush off some of that passive fascist neo superiorist methodology variant you and your country have been endoctrinated these last 74 years with. These Islands and the people living on them are an unsevered in anyway extension outpost at the serivice of England and the Government of G.Britains will and purpose, inserted integrally into the UK and militarily encrusted into London. Everything you all talk about, and everything the vacuous thinking which the Kelpers mindlessly repeat identically day after day, specially these last 34 years, is nothing more than a show for the appearance of a cute and little democratically free society, a mask of protocal and definition using explanations of governance. But not of it exists because that's what they wanted on the islands. Rather all of it exists because in London they want to make sure Argentina does not exercise its natural earthly right and natural social tendency to absorbe the islands into the free sovereignty which would be a province of the Argentine nation.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -7OUOTE...because in London they want to make sure Argentina does not exercise its natural earthly right and natural social tendency to absorbe the islands into the free sovereignty which would be a province of the Argentine nation...UNQUOTE
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +4PATRICK Again! You're just an evil piece of lowlife scum posting here who gets some sick gratification being the filth that you are. You will eventually choke on your own bile. Have a nice evening...
Some of the comments here seem to be outlining what I have noticed in a few other internet forums; a rookie styled type barraging anti Argentina hostile rhetorical persona. I see superficial recently acquired history tales and handed down over the counter political comments which are repeatedly used and which are joining a sort of almost suddenly improvised archive of “things that can be said against Argentina and its history” . I find it incredibly interesting, especially when one compares it to how countries normally develop hate and belittlement, prejudiced slurs and so forth against other countries given however, a history of confrontational and combative events at whatever level and category they occurred, and which they have both been incurring together often with violent outbursts and some nation against nation military posturings at the very least. Here however there is something unusual and completely different to every other case I can think of, in this case Britain, would have against well, .... any one in a list of countries it already has abundant cultural and socially educated despising language and vocabulary it uses to dishonor that country's people history or present day descriptions. Argentina was spared being on this very large list... up until about 7 years ago. What curiously stands out, is that Argentina has done absolutely NOTHING to Britain ever. If anything Britain has never stopped using Argentina and exploiting its various natural and human resources uninterruptedly for all its history. And yet there is a new class of primarily it seems internet users who have a whole lot to bash Argentina with, suddenly following Mr Cameron's administration.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Not that we don't appreciate your country's achievements; but is manipulatively bossing countries around to later cause them havoc and grief and ultimately anger, justifying more invasive hostility and belligerence the ONLY way your little country knows how to survive and put money into its pockets?
Has anybody got any idea what Pat Ed is going on about. His command of English is very poor but he seems to have been reading English language books that have long(ish) words in them and he tries to insert them into his ridiculous nonsense, at least I think it's ridiculous nonsense because, as I said it's almost incomprehensible.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Maybe he wants some sort of dialogue regarding the Falkland Islands but it's very difficult to tell or maybe he's just off his medication (or on too much)...again.
I mean what does “passive fascist neo superiorist methodology variant” actually mean.
Passive means 'accepting or allowing'.
Fascist means 'right wing system of government'
Neo means 'new'
Superiorist means ...well nothing actually because there's no such word
Methodology means 'system of methods'
Variant means 'form or version'
So therefore it means ”accepting or allowing a new (superiorist) right wing government system of methods version” - like I said incomprehensible.
or how about 'unsevered in anyway extension outpost'
or 'inserted integrally into the UK and militarily encrusted into London'
I don't speak Spanish or Swahili (amongst many other languages I don't speak) so I don't post in Spanish or Swahili.
Pat Ed doesn't speak English so he should take a leaf out of my book and not post in a language he clearly doesn't understand
Our idiot Patrick is like a “filthy puddle in the blistering sun”... Soon he'll dry up.
Dec 22nd, 2017 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +4No worries ... I got backing. 65% of your's and nearly every living creatures' body weight, 96% of the Earth's surface, and nearly 3% of the World's Atmosphere. You little angry tarts didn't think I came up with all of this on my own, did you?
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse -8Like I said...coked to the gills. :D
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse +3The World is OURS, it's of Us All. It is the equal right of each and every person alive and each country IN THE COMPLETE AND ENTIRE EQUALITY OF ALL RIGHTS, it does not belong more to some countries and some governments, while and less to other countries and other governments.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse -7... and guess what. It is the People themselves in many countries today who have a harder time grasping this moral truth, than than their own governments. Their governments merely try to get away with what they know better they ought not to.
'Patrick'
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse +5The Mercopress offices are indeed in the Falklands, deep underground in the same secret caverns housing the reactor.
They are in Montevideo, and they are not run or funded by Uruguayans. Time to put down the big colorful story book, little child.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse -7Ah, Patrick, me 'Irish' chum,
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse +5What's yer point?
And what's an Irishman doing commenting on the British or South Americans, two subjects he knows nothing about?
PS.
Can't make head nor tail of your Gaelic!
¡Edgar payaso: Vos sos el mentiroso! :D
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse +5I'm an American born Argentinean. And MercoPress originated on the Falklands. It moved to Uruguay most significantly to disguise its deeply concealed political agenda. Even though it USES the name of Mercosur to dress itself with the international prestige of belonging to a continental trade block of countries, it does not. As a publication it has been based on pure deceit from the day of its very conception. It exists in the interest of the Falkland Islands yet entirely hides that fact from ever being perceived too strongly. It knows it cheats and rides the guilt stone faced, in the best of British world abusing traditions.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse -4“Patrick”
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse +5Deceit, Patrick?
Is that your real name?
Would that be similar to calling the British, self-determining, self-ruled, Falkland Islands, the “Malvinas” and telling the world that they are represented by 'their' Governor in TDF, as part of an Argentine province?
”Chuckle :-))))” , as some Argies say.
“...coked to the gills”
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse +5Probably with cheap jug wine from Mendoza.
“...underground in the same secret caverns housing the reactor...”
You're giving out secrets that will Patrick will report to his fantasy conspiracy superiors.
”A filthy puddle in the blistering sun”... Soon...
GRAnde macri como todo hijo de europeo continúa su genocidio contra los pueblos originarios de america. Espero que mueras pronto macri con toda tu familia.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse -6I met a guy at Uni who was a philosophy PhD student and a massive stoner, he talked just like Patrick. Lots of long and fancy words without saying very much.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse +2@Patrick Edgar
So you're an American complaining about the UK invading countries around the world? Maybe you should be looking a little closer to home. Anyway, how exactly is fighting in distant countries like Vietnam worse than fighting nearby ones like Mexico?
And LOL at “deeply concealed political agenda”. It's not exactly well concealed, even though the site obviously is run by a Uruguayan (or anyway not a native English speaker).
I want to know what you think happened 7 years ago. Argentina started a war with Britain 35 years ago, and if Brits were disparaging Argentina it would been then. Nothing has changed in the last 7 years except for social media becoming common.
One has to wonder if this “Edgar” is an invention of Reekie, to make himself appear comparatively less stupid. Though Edgar might also serve as a warning about the horrors of long-term drug abuse.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse +2Well well well, this must be why these raving lunatics are suddenly crawling out of the woodwork...
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +2http://en.mercopress.com/2017/12/23/indictment-and-preventive-imprisonment-of-cristina-fernandez-confirmed-by-federal-court
http: //www.lanacion.com.ar/2094567-confirman-la-prision-preventiva-de-cristina-kirchner-por-encubrir-a-sospechosos-del-ataque-a-la-amia
http: //www.lanacion.com.ar/2095014-el-primo-de-kirchner-quiso-esconder-sus-bienes-a-la-justicia-y-quedo-detenido
http: //www.lanacion.com.ar/2094794-la-fiscalia-pidio-detener-a-carlos-kirchner-primo-del-ex-presidente
“It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...”
Lightning/Marti
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1PatEd is obviously the sock-puppet of somebody as nobody not even a drug-soaked philosophy student could be as idiotic as him/her/it. It is quite interesting how his English suddenly improves then deteriorates so my money is on 'Think'.
Yeah, Patrick Reeks of Stink! Certainly not a Voice of reason. He reads words from dictionaries but doesnt understand how to use them in a meaningful way. The raving looney style points to him being off his Trolly.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2OK, so what's happened here ...
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I come in with my radically unorthodox views and sentiments legitimately shared by many the world over, never once having insulted anyone in the group, yet in unwavering support of Argentina, pointing out that Britain has already drawn enough advantage and sustenance from the countries of world, that the versions of history it proliferates are inaccurate and propagandist, and that MercoPress is a concealed media instrument of political agression and propaganda, and the next thing you know the entire group is attacking me with insults, slanderous suppositions and offensive assumptions.
Lol ... you're all so sad.
No Hat Trick, you are in total denial of what Argentina has done to other people. Your country has a lot to answer for in my personal opinion. Its only saving grace is, like all countries, there are very good people among the bad, and after recent history, they deserve better. You, on the other hand, seem to think you are some kind of epitome of “Good.” You are a sad joke.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2¡Edgar payaso: Vos sos el mentiroso!
And now,
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Pirat-Hunter's anti-Macri diatribe translated from his Spanish only post.
“GRAnde macri as every son of a European continues his genocide against the original peoples of America.
I hope you die soon macri with your whole family.”
CFK is just as “European” as Macri, yet when have we seen P-H attack CFK or her government that neglected and discriminated against the indigenous peoples?
If I recall, P-H wanted nukes used against the Anglos and overtly threatened to kill people.
Editor, can we have this poster removed, please?
@PE
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Maybe if you didn't come in here saying 'Britain=bad country. Argentina=good country,' you'd get a better reaction?
But never mind, now you've successfully insulted everyone in the group.
What I want to know is, if 'The World is OURS, it's of Us All,' then why does it matter whether the Falklands belongs to Britain or Argentina? Shouldn't we just get rid of countries altogether?
I propose a truce. To ignore the ignorance of a few and wish only the very best for the Christmas holiday. Peace on earth, goodwill to all men.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +4¡La Paz!
It was so obviously humorous @DemonT. ! I'm sorry you all couldn't see that.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -4It's not that simple. Humanity is an organism. Civilization is its “snail shell” or “ship in the ocean”. We are not just a naked conceptual pure being. We have “something” that has been endowed into us, making us different to naked pure creatures. ... It isn't smooth and stable. We have yet to rise to quest of its challenge. Sadly and tragically we are still going at each other, robbing, or abandoning the other. But let's just say for the sake of good reasoning on your question having observed my comment, that enough people on the planet have finally realized we are one first and fundamentally. We do need order. There is order in nature... imagine just how much more important order is for a humanity who would be raising to the challenge of our gifted intelligence. That order starts ground zero with each nation and its people. It's not a hermetically confined cell that would be that first unit of humanity, but a world of nations, identically important and equal in all forms of respect is where we would most naturally start. You need a platform of order on which to stand on and continue from. Then there are also other forms of beginning units of order. Language is another one, that is terribly underrated for its worth of primary fundamental importance. All languages should have equal influence power and authority in the world for true fairness and justice to be evenly spread among the planets population.
Now I understand, he's posting to us in a googled form of Esperanto, a constructed international auxiliary language used by idiots. No wonder he makes no sense.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +3... it's tragic DT, (you can see how far we are.)
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -4.. It's tragic to understand things that light a glimmer of hope in our reasoning mind, ... right before you realize that the time we have left in our lives, will have us leave this existence without having seen anything change in any significant way still.
Corrected text
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2...it's tragic alright DemonTree when you see just how far he's deluded.
.. It's tragic he can't understand basic things and darken our reasoning mind, ... right before he'll never realize that the time he has left is still too long and will have us leave his existence without having seen anything change in any significant way.
At least I don't have to pay for the internet time it takes to put up with your wastefully obnoxious rude selfish and invasive squandering of perfectly good www time and infrastructure. You participation alone makes an excellent case for free internet in all countries ! Hooray !
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Just a little corrective note to a post above...
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Mercopress did not originate in the Falklands and move to Uruguay....
It was always based in Uruguay...It was originally called The Falklands and South Atlantic News Agency, but never based in the Falklands...
Just keeping things right...
Point is the same. Moreover, I remember reading some things that tied it in through certain people to the islands.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -5I also noticed that information pointing at anything that would hint at similar such truer notions are removed from the internet. Deception is a real element when it comes to Falklands related literature. Not just concerning the people and “stuff” that has made Merco Press, but people and movements can be traced leading back to the Falklands and British political interests in South America from other publications as well. At one time the Buenos Aires Herald and today the Santiago Times for example.
Britian needs to get its sticky tentacles out of our continent, stop trying to pin our countries against one another, and just be happy with the plot of land God gave it. ... Having the balls to recognize its hideous errors and abuses in Palestine and start protecting the Palestinian people and other local ethnic populations against Israel's out of control ungrateful usurping greed, would not be uncalled for either. Britain is just so infinitely morally in debt to the world, owing so many countries and their people everything it is today, that it can't even begin to think the phrase “im sorry” in its head. It's stone faced paralyzed with pride, simply because it wants to save its face and dignity. ... And this royal as*ho** here has the nerve to write an article with the title “Shame on you Argentina” ??? SHAME ON BRITAIN FOR BETRAYING AND WARRING ON A FRIEND, BY BOMBING ISLANDERS IN ITS AVARICE TO KEEP ARGENTINA FROM RECEIVING JUSTICE REGARDING THE USURPATION OF ITS HISTORICAL AND NATURAL RIGHT TO MALVINAS, AND ATTACKING A COUNTRY THAT WAS A HUNDRED YEARS BEHIND IT IN ITS MILITARY CAPABILITY, KILLING INNOCENT SOLDIERS UNDESIRING OF WAR OR CONFRONTATION, USING THE SITUATION OF A PREDICTABLE WAR OUTCOME TO MOVE IN STRONGER ONTO THE ISLANDERS AND ENSLAVE THEM WITH RESENTMENT TO FUNCTION AS BRITAIN'S SCORNFUL GUARDIANS OF ITS GREED FOR EXTRA-NATIONAL RESOURCES
Patrick. I have to say that the UK used considerable restraint in that they did not attack the mainland of Argentina, being at war they were very capable of taking out ALL OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE just be pleased that the USA asked The UK not to flatten your country.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +6帕特里克·埃德
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Don't believe Voice. Mercopress is run by a group of renegade North Koreans trying to stir up radical idiots like our boy Patrick...
I think it is the Russians, they seem to stick their oar in where it does not concern them.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +3See Cronie, that's just the type of arrogant vile hate filled ignorance I'm talking about. People like you are the real danger to the world. You're understanding of this conflict is so destructively shallow, whilst you believe that bombing cities in a foreign nation is just what countries need to do sometimes. There's only one prescription for societies that start thinking like you, so sadly spoiled in its grotesque safety based destructive ignorance and disregard for human life. Thankfully each year more are reacting accordingly to it,
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -4as Gaia will ultimately prevail.
Thanks for warning us! I never would have imagined that Golf Cronie was so arrogant, full of vile hate filled ignorance and a real danger to the world.
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Oh look PatEd's English has suddenly improved exponentially, I wonder what he was trying to hide by posting gibberish. I know what I 'THINK'
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Patrick Edgar
Dec 23rd, 2017 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All languages should have equal influence power and authority in the world for true fairness and justice to be evenly spread among the planets population.”
That is never going to happen. We'll be lucky if we don't see hundreds of languages dying out in the next 20 years. How many official languages are there in Argentina?
“And this royal as*ho** here has the nerve to write an article with the title “Shame on you Argentina” ???”
Lol. It was some Uruguyan journalist, I guarentee you. Britain hasn't had any 'sticky tentacles' in Argentina for a long time. In case you didn't notice, we're not an empire any more; we can't fix Palestine, or Iraq either, no matter that that idiot Blair thought.
And we didn't attack Argentina. Your idiot drunken general attacked us, and sent those conscript soldiers off to kill and die with little training. If you don't want to fight a more advanced country, then don't pick a fight with one. It's not rocket science.
“There's only one prescription for societies that start thinking like you”
Go on then. Don't keep us in suspense!
Patrick
Dec 24th, 2017 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse +2The point is not the same...
There is no deceit involved, it was clear by the original title of the news agency...
It is no secret that journalists working for Penguin News sometimes contribute to it and the only connection to the UK will be through the FIA (FALKLAND ISLANDS ASSOCIATION) original sponsors and probably still do...
It is not some UK Govt site... “disguising its deeply concealed political agenda.”
The articles are mostly loan articles from other sites...and are not particularly biased, in my opinion...
What is an American born Argentinean...?
You surely mean American and as an American are you “happy with the plot of land God gave you” because I'm pretty sure God must have given it to the Indians...
Or perhaps you should thank the British for giving you it...
Indians=Good Guys...Americans=Bad Guys (For Keeping it)...
Spanish=Bad Guys...Indians=Good Guys
Portugese=Bad Guys...Indians=Good Guys
Vikings= Bad Guys....Anglo Saxons=Good Guys
Anglo Saxons=Bad Guys...Britons=Good Guys
Romans=Bad Guys...how far do you want to go back...?
...a silly argument...
@Voice
Dec 24th, 2017 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse +1I think it's obvious from the content that this English language South Atlantic news site is aimed at the Falklands and those who have an interest in them. But how do you know the FIA were the original sponsors?
As for Mr Regini, his facebook says he was born in America, but he also claims to be Argentine and Italian. And it says he lives in Hawaii, which sure isn't where he was born, or where his ancestors came from.
DemonTree
Dec 24th, 2017 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Homework...
It's all there if you are prepared to look deeply enough...also in a fairly abstract way...
It all started with an obituary...
...and that's all you're getting...it's all I had...;-))
ps...almost every connection has been removed..
...almost..;-)
Enough “article tilling” for one thread in my view. There are different 'levels' in which past historical events can be talked about, sometimes the emotional morality of things is the focus, other times we adhere to the practical-hard 'cause and effects' realism of how some believe the world needs to be, as if what we were talking about was still going on. On the internet it seems some will try to focus on one of these two discourses causing a defensive posturing will adopt the other one, for avoidance sake. It's easy when all you do is typewrite not having to see each other's faces.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse -3I will however straighten the record for anyone who wasn't just trying to look for sh** digs to throw at me. I don't enjoy thus practice, lying about myself or faking my identity on the internet. I see the British side is highly preoccupied with this on facebook and here as well. I am what I am, and I know what I know. One will always be more correct about who they are than what another will venture to stipulate on that person's character. The heart is not divisible in sectors, or confined to subscriptions, nor ruler made lines of reasoning can be projected out of its genuine emotional allegiances. It's quite a wonderful thing in today's world that millions of minds are emerging without their hearts being only for one country, though their order of proper reasoning and values is still entirely coherent and more than sensible. I was raised Argentinean and spent many years in Argentina as a child, my entire family only spoke to me in Spanish, yet I was born in the States and started kindergarden first and second grade there, then 'went' (as I'm in Italy now, not Hawaii) back for High School and University... My grandparents were Italian and I took on my Italian citizenship right in my thirties, though I had already lived and worked here a few times already.
Who in their properly respectful mind is going to tell me what I am? Only people who feel they can tell another country about itself
Mr. Voice...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse +1It ain't exactly the timeline that Mr. G.M., (the official owner of this site)...,has refered to me..., but close enough...;-)
TWIMC...
- You may wish to click on the “Falkland Islands Association” charity link below...
- You may wish to scroll down to the “Falklands Islands News Agencies” chapter...
http://www.fiassociation.com/article.php/28/00d16a7644697d53d273c8d5ac5e6c41
- Did ya find Mercopress...?
“Who in their properly respectful mind is going to tell me what I am? ”
Dec 24th, 2017 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse +1Aristotle...
“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”
US second grade...(7 to 8 years)
So according to the learned Aristotle...that would make you a Yank...
Mr. Voice...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse +2The auld Greek foal wasn't always right... ya know...?
I'm just respectfully putting the info out there Mr. Think...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0He aint no Argie...and that's a fact...
PatEd
Dec 24th, 2017 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, as you clearly can write reasonable English why were your earlier posts written in such unintelligible garbage. What were you trying to hide?????????
Aristotle can be wrong too. And he was.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth starts within each one of us, and is shared by all, by some, Or; it is not. Hence the free will to make our world. And we do.
@voicey “ ..He aint no Argie...”
Dec 24th, 2017 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The loss of contact with reality suggests a great deal of “genuine emotional allegiances” to argentinicity.
I'm not going to go through critical logic 101 just to prove to you no one can in all truth state “Patrick is not Argentine” and not be corrected. I have more fun proving other things, like the fact that I'm more Argentinean than an Argentine who says I'm not.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2In me are three nationalities...
In Britain right now, there are citizens who are also two and three nationalities and citizenships. Heh heh heh.
... soon the right ones will start speaking up.......... louder.
Pat Ed
Dec 24th, 2017 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Who are you to decide who are the 'right ones'.
As you 'claim' to live in Italy I would suggest you know b....r about it.
I notice you still haven't answered my question (a la THINK) “why were your earlier posts written in such unintelligible garbage. What were you trying to hide????”
“” Mercopress/South Atlantic News Agency: http://en.mercopress.com/
Dec 24th, 2017 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Covering the latest news in the Falkland and other South Atlantic Islands, Antarctica, Mercosur and other Latin American countries “”
ANTARTICA??? lol ... the Falkland islands is populated by 3000 people. Oh no, no British colonialist imperialism being perpetrated by overly self important and self aggrandized citizens going on here! lol I'm no psychologist but... ... I detect a bit of delusionally expansionist small dick condition here, which has zero respect for the fact that the world ought to be shared by all its people in equality and all nations have equal rights to it. The only thing that seems to come through the loudest in all these internet British involved sovereignty forums is Britain being represented by people saying “we own, we have, its ours not yours” As if other countries didn't count. All we're going to is; we hope you choke on it.
I can see that our friend..., Mr. Patrk Edgar has found the “little discrepancy” between the definition of MercoPress's informative scope...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yorugua MercoPress “Newsagency” declares that they are...: “Covering an area of influence which includes South America, the South Atlantic and insular territories...”
The Engrish Falkland Islands Association “charity”..., declares that they are...:
“Covering the latest news in the Falkland and other South Atlantic Islands, Antarctica, Mercosur and other Latin American countries...”
Who to believe...?
The Puppet Master or its Puppets...?
Among the nations of the world, there seems to be one statement that most definitely describes Britian's international policies and actions in the world, including Antartica's, and which has stuck with it since the beginning of European Colonialism, and it is that constant “Quick! Let's get there and claim owning it before anyone else does” Every other colonialist country has in one way or another sensibly more or less understood that basic moral principal for humanity “the whole world belongs to everyone equally, not to some nations or some people more than other ones”. Reluctantly or not, old world European countries have matured to understand, the world is not about who gets “first dibs” on what others don't have the means to harness yet. Except Britain. And I don't mean multinational corporations. I mean 'Governments' and what those governments corroborate in teaching its citizenship. Britain still thinks it has rights to own islands and territories completely out there unrelated to it's people, then it works on socially making them its people. Like in the case of Gibraltar. and Malvinas. It also presumes exploiting resources extra-territorially or which belong to other peoples future generations. Who cares what they have left ! Right??
Dec 24th, 2017 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Karma is like a tsunami ... No one can tell its coming, people too often linger on until it's too late. There are those who feel they can challenge the intuitive feeling, those who incredulously question longer in disbelief, others more foolish still who feel they can challenge the inevitable yet denied. When it comes to the power and effects of countries in the world however, there is a problem. Here karma does not pan out into justice. There is no open fields. We are in an enclosed system. No relief valves. We all have to share a room and the ones who bully and rob, insult and hassle others are still here, we still have to eat sleep and be by each other in this one room. So anomalies occur like black holes, leading to wars.
All I'm saying is...if spending 6 years in a country gives you that Nationality...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I have a lot of Nationalities...
...and I find it really tiresome when folk claim...”Oh yeah I'm an Irish American or a Scottish American...
Nope...you are just an American...
Merry Christmas Mr. Think...;-)
PatED
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Sorry I'm not going to bite on your continued nonsense.
“First Dibs” - strange phrase coming from someone who 24 four hours ago could hardly write two words of English eh THINK
You still haven't answered my question (a la THINK) “why were your earlier posts written in such unintelligible garbage. What were you trying to hide????”
A good Christmass to you too..., Mr. Voice...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2PatED is obviously a sock puppet, but I can't be certain of whom.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2By the way, the most important part of Antarctica belongs to Chile, NOT Argentina or the UK.
Amusing that this 'enlightened' Argie should feel just as the others do.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Once they have abused, neglected, poisoned and stolen what is theirs and reduced it to nothing, they feel that everyone else is obligated to share what they have with Argentina, simply because it's 'not fair'.
Same old childishness.
A good Christmass to you too..., hermanito Shileno...
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@PE
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Every other colonialist country has in one way or another sensibly more or less understood...”
What? Have you never heard of French Guiana? Mayotte? Greenland? The Dutch islands in the Caribbean? Bouvet Island? The six other countries that also claim part of Antarctica, which surely should belong to everyone? Why does the US still have overseas territories, and Puerto Rico have no vote in US elections? I don't believe ANY country has understood this supposedly obvious fact.
And who are the right ones? People who are lucky enough to have more than one nationality?
@Voice
I've always thought that Aristotle quote was bullshit. Children aren't blank slates, they have their own personality and talents right from the start.
¡Pascua Feliz Para Todos!
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Especially for you THINK.
Patrick Edgar
Dec 24th, 2017 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I have read all your postings above and I just wonder how ONE person can be so embittered and more misinformed as you are. You have wasted your time because, quite frankly, your contributions convince nobody.
I wish you a very Happy Christmas and maybe the season will calm you down just a little!
Pascua? I thought that was Easter?
Dec 24th, 2017 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2But Happy Christmas everyone!
A Spanish comprehension test.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2DemonTree
Dec 24th, 2017 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1They may have their own personalities and talents...but...
I suggest you type into Google...“what are the most formative years in a child's life”
To be a Yank till the age of 8 then to go back to a Yankee High School at the age of 14 till 18 and then to a Yankee University for another 4 years and live in the US until the age of Thirty...
how could you be anything else than a Yank...
He's just having a larrrf....
Los Chilenos solo se animan a agredirnos enfrente a los Ingleses. Pobresitos, siempre tan... veladamente rencorosos.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Te cuento mi testimonio, ya que mi mano escupiste. Habiendo nacido en los EEUU, siempre estuve lleno de idealismos esperanzosos. Un mundo unido entusiasmado por construirse un futuro donde sanó todos sus sufrimientos y curó todas sus enfermedades del corazón era fácil para mi imaginarme. Quedaba solo el desafío de como lograrlo. Cuando comencé a viajar nuevamente a la Argentina y vi que mis ingenuos y limitados conocimientos ignoraban esta tal rivalidad entre Chile y la Argentina me apené mucho y sinceramente, quizás porque me pareció una superficial tontería, tomé un poco el lado de Chile, porque si bien me encantaba nuestra personalidad extrovertida y entradora optimista etc... veía un “valor” en el modo Chileno que a mi me resultaba sensato, moderado, mas austero modesto y humilde. Cosas que yo entendía como una mejor calidad espiritual, menos pretenciosa, aunque no viese a los Argentinos como pretenciosos, sino que como muy pasionales. Asi es que me mandé de cabeza a entablar puentes de amistad en lugares reales o virtuales donde habría de encontrar Chilenos. Asumí con toda pureza que seria bienvenido al no sentir animosidad alguna. Todos... absolutamente todos, siempre me trataron como con un sombrío sospechoso desdén ni bien detectaban mi acento. Segui tratando asumiendo que era coincidencia, pero continuó siendo así. Vi que realmente cuando el trato no era indiferente, tienen como un resentimiento contra los Argentinos, y esto me puso muy triste. Yo realmente creía que si un Argentino les demostraba que los veía como buena gente y creía en ustedes, esto iba a hacer la diferencia.
~ El desprecio es lo fácil. El amor es lo difícil. ... Felicitaciones ! Sigan ganando !!
(I was going to write something recognizing my love for the British and so forth. Then I read some of the last comments. Like I told dude, Despair is easy; Love is difficult.)
@Voice
Dec 24th, 2017 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Okay, I agree he is an American, and I also think it's pretty daft when Americans claim to be Irish, Italian etc because their great-grandparents came from those countries. But he's not one of those if his parents came from Argentina, and he spent some of his childhood there. Why can't he be both?
Also, are you going to tell Think he's totally not Scandinavian since he spent his childhood in Argentina?
@PE
Hey, don't despair. Most people in Britain don't hate Argentina or anything. We're just trying to get on with our own lives as best we can, like everyone else.
DemonTree
Dec 24th, 2017 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Yes you are right...I don't know the circumstances and I'm judging without insight...
As far as I'm aware Mr. Think was born in Argentina, but of Scandinavian descent...
...and yes Patrick should relax...I have never ever met an Englishman or Scotsman that hates Argentines or Argentina...
This forum is not reflective of the UK at all...
Merry Christmas Patrick and Merry Christmas DemonTree...
DemonTree
Dec 24th, 2017 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +3My Christmas present for you is to explain “pascua”
Merry Christmas for everyone here.
http://www.rodmellhouse.com/es/what-is-felices-pascuas-in-spain-anyway-hint-its-not-happy-easter/
@Voice
Dec 24th, 2017 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You're just too scared to tell Think he's not really a viking. ;)
Merry Christmas!
@Chicureo
Gracias. ¡Pascua Feliz!
Best wishes for the, and a blessed and joyful holiday season to everyone here !
Dec 24th, 2017 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -4No hard feelings on my part, of course not. It's not the easiest thing to get right off the bat I realize, regarding “where I'm from”, or “what am I” Yet it's a beautiful thing going on in the world right now, being revealed slowly yet quickly by the massive increase in communications venues. The loud speakers of the planet are suddenly being put to maximum and no one is seizing the occasion to transform what we are saying across our boarders to a healing and reconciling message, not yet, it's just happening too fast. Sadly all we can come up with more ways of having people depend on using money more. Anyways there are quite a few of us whose hearts don't belong to only one people or one country, and the gift of that is akin to an interpreter who speaks perfectly both languages and has family and best friends in both of those countries. It's not just about having more compassion or empathy towards one country whose enemies would not care to understand where its coming from. Because we do, we are able to get six directions of perception, a positive a negative and an truer unknown still middle reasoning X2, this detracts a singular outline explanation, which is always fairer than what one or the other country is saying about the other one. In other words, we can tough-love either one of our countries with the sound critical right of someone who comes from there, and do the same for its opponent, which happens to be also our country. So instead of trying to disprove us or unworthy us, perhaps you look for the benefit in us.
Now comes the Christmas message. :)
Civilization sofar fails and harms its own creator, mankind. We are a single organism, so Jesus made an example of what not to do so that we can learn to think of civilization as we would for ourselves as a single person. Would you harm yourself? Take away your own freedom? Not understand why you did things and not change?
I would best describe our current sock puppet, who seems to have a distorted envy of Chileans to be best described as loquacious, talkative, garrulous, voluble, over-talkative, long-winded, wordy, verbose, profuse, prolix, effusive, gushing, rambling; communicative; chatty, gossipy, gossiping, chattering, chattery, babbling, blathering, gibbering; informal with the gift of the gab, having kissed the blarney stone, yakking, big-mouthed, gabby, gassy, talky; raremultiloquent, multiloquous...and so on...to take a couple of Valium during this special evening.
Dec 24th, 2017 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +4@PE
Dec 24th, 2017 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I don't really care where you are from, but to hear an American saying those things seems like hypocrisy. And your multiple nationalities don't help you understand Britain or its people any better.
@Chicureo
Lol. I can't disagree, although he definitely doesn't have the gift of the gab. I've kissed the Blarney stone and it didn't do me any good, although it was an interesting experience; you lie on your back and kind of lower your head down backwards a long way while a guy hangs onto your legs so you don't slip and fall to your death. Most of the people ahead of me didn't even reach the stone but just kissed the wall above it.
@Chcurreo.
Dec 25th, 2017 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse -4Envy? of Chileans? ... Why? Why would I be envious of Chileans, or of any people for that matter ? :/
@DT, I 'm not sure what you are referring to, but anyways, I don't get why being an American must deem me protective against any human personality trait. Should I shut up about my countriy's faults elsewhere based on pride? I know the British do that. I always thought it a very embarrassingly transparent cultural personality trait. Is that what you are suggesting I should do? I just described how great it is to have more humanity in the analysis of our real national personality descriptions ! It doesn't seem I was very clear in what I was trying to say.
You say “you don't care where I come from”, but I wasn't really trying to impress anyone. I was simply making the point that you should find it harder than you think to believe you can just pin any nationality based criticism on me, when in the end you are merely basing it on which one you think I ought to be, yet not knowing which nationality I personally feel I am. Which happens to be the only worthy valid way of establishing that in any case.
@PE
Dec 25th, 2017 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse +2“Should I shut up about my countriy's faults elsewhere based on pride?”
I don't think you have admitted that Argentina has a single fault in all your long posts. You blame everything on Britain. Is that because of your pride?
Patrick Edgar,
Dec 25th, 2017 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse +3“...when in the end you are merely basing it on which one you think I ought to be, yet not knowing which nationality I personally feel I am. Which happens to be the only worthy valid way of establishing that in any case”
How very 'progressively' PC of you, adapting the transgender rights argument to represent your own position...
Do you even believe this?
It's not a matter of logic @Lightning. It's a matter of patriotic love for your people. If you feel loyalty to a country, whose to tell you it is not valid? Why do you think historical figures exist in many countries of patriots or even founding fathers, who were actually born in another country?
Dec 25th, 2017 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse -4and @Demon Tree; I said what I said because you were tying me to the U.S. regarding something I would have been hypocritical about. My point is that YOU were deciding that I should feel American conscientiousness, instead of Argentine conscientiousness, which is where we had left the previous conversation. It 's not up to others to decide WHAT NATIONALITY I AM FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE POINT THEY WANT TO MAKE ! lol
Patrick
Dec 25th, 2017 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse +2“Why would I be envious of Chileans?”
Because we all know that the best country in Latin America in reference to governance, business opportunities and stability is Chile.
We also are very humble...
@PE
Dec 25th, 2017 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1Does that mean you don't feel American? What was all that about those of us whose hearts don't belong to only one people or one country, then? Sounds like you keep your US passport just for convenience.
It's the old, 'I'm better than you because I have a US passport or residence' South American chest-beating, again.
Dec 25th, 2017 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1What a laugh!
Good for YOU Chicureo! It's about fuc**** time too! It wasn't the most comfortable thing in the world to always feel sorry for you, mind you. (Still, so? I should feel “envious” of your country?!. ... uh Why? Who were you trying to prove yourselves to? lol. Of course, it's not just a illustrious achievement my friend when you had to hold Britain's hand to get there and do everything it told you to do, whilst you couldn't ever muster up the nerve to count on any of your South American brothers and sisters because you are such backstabbing land grabbers... and always helped by Britain in doing THAT as well. Britain uses you, I'm sure they don't find you attractive people either, knowing the British. And you think you ought to be envied. Uhu... ok. You're sad scorned people. You have absolutely nothing to do with the Malvinas and yet there you are trying to see what you can get out of the situation. Oh ya! Reaaaaly envious!
Dec 25th, 2017 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -5@ DemonTree. You're utterly confusing me. Where do you get I don't feel American. I am American. I am Argentinean. And technically, I'm Italian also. Adjust your arguments to this singular fact if you want to make any sense at all. I'm always and all the time those three things. But really, I lost track of what you and everyone else here is trying to prove about this aspect of MY life. lol. Lighning says “I think I'm better because I have a US passport” WHAaaaht? Ya'll gotta stop! You're sounding more ridiculous by the minute
PE,
Dec 25th, 2017 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see, it really does sound ridiculous to anybody but your fellow SA crowd, a boast we see time and time again from Argies with inferiority complexes trying to impress their hermanos.
Chuckle ;-)))) as they say
Patrick Edgar continues to be as loquacious as a Sicilian-Argentine broken record. There are a few points that should be considered...
Dec 25th, 2017 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Britain substantially helped our national defenses and we did the same against a mutual enemy, Argentina. We remain close allies, especially with the Royal Navy.
As far as “backstabbing land grabbers” I can only conclude he's confused with Argentina and not Chile. (Last time Chile made a land grab was in 1883. Argentina on the other hand was taking what was not theirs a hundred years later.)
“You have absolutely nothing to do with the [Falklands] Malvinas” sort of overlooks the close economic and transportation ties to the islands as well as the fact that several Chileans live in the Falklands.
In any case, I still wish a Christmas peace and contentment for this deluded fool.
”We see (here) time and time again...” I don't get it. What does that have to do with me?What makes you think I care about your personal interpretation and personal experience in this forum? ... I'm here to talk about the issues. You all seem to have nothing better to do than to go at me . Now I'M being an assh*** essentially because you are all leaving me no better alternative than to look for a way to find this entertaining. And the funny part is that YOU all did it. Not me.
Dec 25th, 2017 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Ugh... Patrick, the sock puppet says he's talking about “issues”... What he's really doing is ranting loquacious gibberish which has become tedious, but then again that's obvious.
Dec 25th, 2017 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +3@PE
Dec 25th, 2017 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Wow. And you wonder why Chileans don't like you! I guess Britain isn't the only country you like to vilify with a pack of lies.
If you DO think of yourself as an American, then why are you complaining when I say you're an American? I didn't say you weren't Argentine as well, I said you could be both.
And if you want to talk about issues then talk about them. You could start by telling us why it's okay for Argentina to try and grab land on a different continent but not okay for Britain to do the same.
Chic,
Dec 25th, 2017 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2PE is the typical self-consciously pretentious Argie we often see.
Claims to be “American” to show off, but disparages the USA as is fashionable amongst the underachievers. He is also not content to be an ordinary Argentine, he declares himself to be of the more finely bred, Italian extraction.
As to issues, PE forgets that after Peron 'nationalised' the country's industries and the Brits withdrew, its been a fast economic downhill spiral ever since.
And THEY did it!
Merry Christmas, PE.
Surely you have something better to do on Christmas Day than spreading hate and unhappiness.
Our loquacious* sock puppet, Patrick Edgar, who carries a Yankee passport, sympathizes Argentina and is probably either of Calabria or Sicilian extraction continues to struggle convincing us that the British and Chileans are the bad guys...
Dec 25th, 2017 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2(*sorry for reusing the ridiculous word, but it best describes his posts)
I prefer 'prolix', personally. PE evidently follows the rule to never use a short word when a long one will do, and never use two words to say what you can in twenty.
Dec 25th, 2017 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Why Calabria or Sicily?
DemonTree
Dec 25th, 2017 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Prolix is just right.
Calabria or Sicily is because most Italian-Argentines are from those two southern regions.
At this point I don't think it's worth correcting anyone on what they are saying about me, it doesn't seem to make a difference. I just so happen to be of Italian decent, and it isn't from either of those two places. I'm puzzled however at why have people here taken the view that I'm seeking worthiness by explaining my nationalities, when all I was doing was answering to erred assumptions. What a badgering little lot you are! I don't hate Chileans Mr Cureo nor do I think “the British are the bad guys”. I wonder ... does anyone here ever worry that they just may be horribly wasting everything they are actively doing by spending so much effort and imagination on assuming character traits upon people they actually do not know at all what so ever anything about?
Dec 25th, 2017 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -5I will deliver on what I said to you @Demon Tree. The issues, ya? Shall we try a conversation then?
You're words were “... why it's okay for Argentina to try and grab land on a different continent but not okay for Britain to do the same”
Do you mean the Falkland Malvinas Islands? ... They are part of the South American continent. I'll assume that IS what you were talking about. What I feel I need to ask you now is, How much background do you know on this bit of World History? Listening to your words, it hardly sounds like you know anything at all about it. Argentina is not trying to “grab” anything. I would if we must use that word, it is Britain that is closer to looking to “grab” these islands, if you look at the whole historical 200 year old context of it. Rather Argentina has had a claim to sovereignty on (or of) these islands since about 1810, taking an evolving form through landing and establishing its administration on the islands on 1827(I believe?) The conflict started when Britain decided to single-handedly and by force impart its own idea of justice upon us both and kicked the Argentine off the islands. Hence starts the dispute. The war of 82 has actually nothing to do with the political dispute.
Ah, no, I was thinking of Antarctica. Definitely not part of the South American continent. Do you think it's okay for Argentina to claim part of it?
Dec 25th, 2017 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2DemonTree
Dec 25th, 2017 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Argentina and Britain can argue all they want, but Chile is the rightful owner of the disputed area of Antarctica. (Sorry, but we were taught that in school.)
(And yes, Argentina IS the owner of the MYTHICAL Malvinas if you believe in unicorns and fairies.)
“Sorry, but we were taught that in school”... says my Shilean hermanito..., just above...
Dec 26th, 2017 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse -2Not in the Grange school..., that's for sure...
Maybe at the Prat school...?
I see DemonT. OK, I'll answer that. In order to be better understood however I should set my Contextual Premise of Rational. Politically I'm what you call a “Gaian Humanist” (and spiritually) You might be familiar with Jonathan Lovelock's Gaia Theory, acredited by some as the father of self-sustainability ecological sciences. Add to that 'Humanist'. As Gaia Humanists continue on from where he left of. Or in other words, humanity is also part of Gaia, not subject to it.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse -3This signifies essentially that I look at human natural sovereignty and resource on the Earth's land as: “Us all appearing at once on the singular Earth and having throughout its entire existance equal right to all of it as one”. That's a 'vertice' or starting premise. After which point starts the cone of all our forms of natural and logical order as they refer to each other in simultanous advance. Mind you it does not most of the time emulate nor reflect they way we HAVE built civilization. All thought it is nonetheless if well “undiscoveredly” undefined still in there as the heart and soul of humanity and its relationship to the Earth. The important point is that at any given moment humanity has always had the opportunity of rectifying its course and healing where it has offended the Gaia Humanist order, and make things right. Now back to your question on Antarctica.
'All countries and their people, have an equal course of right to their existence in this world'. If the course of one nation has included using half the planet for its own construction and enrichment, that means the rest of the countries have equal size and amount of right owed to them and ahead in their destiny, or the alternative is that that country must give back in order to bring equilibrium to the family of world nations. You see where I'm heading with this? Then there is the matter of 'Equal right to tend maintain and heal our home planet' Every country has the same right and obligation to do so. The question now is, how d...
That's good timing.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse -2Patrick, there is a 2000 character limit when posting comments here, and you can't post two in a row. I'm surprised you haven't fallen foul of it before, really. Maybe you could treat this as an opportunity to learn to write more concisely. :)
@Chicureo
Did they show you maps of Chile with a pie wedge of Antarctica included?
I learned about the Antarctic treaty at school, I'd have though children would learn that in Chile and Argentina too?
I was aware of that limit DemonT. You are still surprised by coincidences I see. Did you not notice how everything I've written before also capitulates with the end of that limit? Anyways ... Continuing on (Oh, and I like your cool temperament by the way, If you 'd like to join our sovereignty discussions on facebook, you are more than welcome to join. I'm the sole dictator in it so there is no insulting or picking and abusing on members either. The group is called: “Falkland ~ Malvinas Islands territorial rights discussion”. ) ... As I was saying, to wrapping it up; since all nations have equal right and obligation to manage take care of and heal the planet, not just equal right to its resources, a series of “guide line principals” must rule how to allocate and designate rights to the land for either taking care of it or using it. Now let's go back another step. Nations are created by their people. Just being politically a nation does not constitute the essence of its rights (Something most countries ought to keep in mind more) So when we talk about a nation's people, we are now thinking physiologically much more. It should mean how far we can 'walk' ... 'see' or 'hear', how efficient is it to travel with minimal usage and imprint? etc. Now let's look at the globe again. The Antarctic peninsula is almost saying to Argentina and Chile “Yes I'm closest to you and thus you have the most rights to me, but don't think it is going to be so easy nor so much what anyone would want. It's really really tough here”. On the other hand now let's look at Britain's political and natural resources debt and disproportion to most of the planet's nations. Do you think it is appropriate that it be shouldering off and forging its way past Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, New Zealand, Aust..... Oh wait! I Was I about to fly over the fact that it does not seem to have a problem or confrontation with Austrlia or New Z. claiming parts of Antarctica as well! ...Not lol! It's time to step back!
Dec 26th, 2017 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse -4“Did they show you maps of Chile with a pie wedge of Antarctica included?”..., Engish Mr. DemonTree asks Anglo/Chilean Mr.Chicureo...”
Dec 26th, 2017 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse -2Of course they did...:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Cl-triconti.png
As ex Engrish colony Australia does..:
www.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0006/180834/varieties/antarctic.jpg
As ex Engrish colony New Zealand does...:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Rossstamps1957.jpg
Question is...:
- Do them Engrish posters here oppose to the right of adjacent Southern Hemisphere Countries as Australia and New Zealand to claim half of the Antarctic Continent as much as they oppose the right of adjacent Southern Hemisphere Countries as Argentina and Chile to claim 1/10th of the Antarctic Continent...?
Britain has taken enough from the world already. Way too much. As communications grow and develop in up and coming nations, more will the idea that Britian has been greedy and overpowering of weaker need bound nations proliferate among the newer generations of the planet. It's time to let other countries grow and develop their own sense of responsibility for the world. The Falkland Malvinas simply do not possess the geography to be a self sustaining, interesting or an attractive place for human habitation, specially now with tropical cosmopolitan paradises filling the imagination of adolescents. It always has been the case and that will not change. Britain knows it. To forge their settlement is not only always going to be way more expensive and bounding of outside resources, but an artificial contra-natura effort obviously revealing of G.Britain's logistic geopolitical intentions for them, thus permanently unveiling its calculating use of its people and so forth. On the other hand, supported by Argentina directly across the waters does make “settlement sense”. Better yet, the Islands already have a British cultural society. Were they fully independent they could continue to make the country they want if Argentina simply recognizes their desire to be entirely autonomous. A combination of Argentine jurisdiction and Islander will is definitely the best political condition for the Falkland Malvinas Islands, which even if contained in an Argentine protectorate, could still function as a South American English speaking independent nation. ... IF we truly care about the islander's optimal outcome of course, and their true self determination, in all humanly social and political respects.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse -3If you are able to let go of combativeness and wish to join in this discussion, you are all more than welcome to join facebook group: Falkland ~ Malvinas Islands territorial rights discussion
THINK I sincerely hope you had a nice Christmas, but your way wrong about the Grange not having a large world globe in the library showing “Territorio Chileno Antártico” as required by law.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +2You forgot to mention “New Swabia” or “Neuschwabenland” which was the Nazi German claim. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Swabiap
I mention my country's claim to Antarctica facetiously as pragmatic world vision is that the continent belongs to nobody. Saying that, all maps sold in Chile are printed, or modified, to show Chile's claim.
Regarding Patrick: Long diatribes about nothing...
Patrick really needs to seek professional intervention. The damaging effects of years of mind-altering drugs must be addressed.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Well that's simply because your 50% share of literacy interpretation is either shut down or obstinately confrontational @Chicuréo. I will proceed as if there were no antagonism going on, like the forth monkey would do using its hands to gesture it does not understand what is going on around it. ... let's see how long I last ! ...
Dec 26th, 2017 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I will agree in the gist, with Antarctica not belonging to anyone.
To start off with Gaia Humanism does not recognize land “belonging” to people, as in owned by armed governments, in its political sense of a humanity's home world. Rather the sovereign allocations to people's governments would have more to do with administration and distribution responsibilities in Gaia Humanist thinking, and the word “owned” would be validated only by the need for organization, system, order etc. Not power. The Antarctic treaty is a noble subconscious attempt at this (remember how I explained before something to the effect of Gaia Humanism is regardless of the mess we have made so far, within our more sensible and intuitive heart and soul, though unidentified as such yet?) Unfortunately our governments have always shown their greatest inconsistencies when it comes to their most noble and higher sense altruistic actions. Nonetheless we still have an opportunity to continue talking about it, and if we were to continue sensibly discussing how to manage with Antarctica, we would always have to put at the front row of most topics the proximity of Argentina Australia Chile New Zealand and South Africa to the Continent. On a different matter of considerations, it would behoove us to realize the ridiculousness of drawing lines of separation on a land we can't even step outside a structure for too long and stay alive. Its obvious that the Continent by its sheer land geographical form is screaming at us to collaborate and stop drawing lines against one another, for crying out loud WHAT WILL IT TAKE !!
It's pretty obvious the sock muppet is here to derail an embarrassing thread about Argentina's treatment of indigenous people in the north, which actually is associated with the Kirchnerite governments in Formosa and Misiones, with a string of “wall of verbiage” posts attacking the British. Standard operating procedure, I'd say...
Dec 26th, 2017 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I think our sock muppet is writing his long diatribes in another language, and them translating them via Google translate, resulting in not making sense.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1那麼Patrick這只是因為你的讀寫解讀的idiot rankings 份額要么被關閉，要么頑固地對抗Chicuréo我會繼彷彿沒有敵對情緒，就像第四隻猴子會用手去表示它不明白周圍正在發生什麼事情一樣。 ...讓我們看看我最後一次！ ...
我會同意的，南極不屬於任何人horses arse!
與蓋亞開始人文主義並不承認土地“屬於”人民，如在武裝政府擁有的，在人類的家庭世界的政治意義上knows nothing，主權分配給人民政府更多的是與蓋亞人文主義思想中的行政和分配責任有關，而“擁有”這個詞只會由組織，制度，秩序等方面的需要來驗證。南極條約是對此的一種高尚的潛意識的嘗試（請記住 waste of brain cells我之前解釋過的蓋亞人文主義的效果是不管我們迄今為止所造成的混亂在我們更
Poor guy, I see you we can't keep you from plummeting down hill all the way! I can sense your inferiority complex all the way here even in your absence. ... so sad. Oh come on little guy! Don't despair, I'm sure you are a fine enough acceptable looking guy. Just don't let those voices in your head continue to make feel like a door mat, try to be strong !
Dec 26th, 2017 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Corrected link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Swabia
Dec 26th, 2017 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where PE belongs...
Are you going to stop stupidly looking to escalate this retarded fight you got going on with me? You're the only idiot who's become obsessed with me here. I wonder why? I've tried taking it elsewhere... I've wished everyone happy Christmas.... I've written at length exhibiting my rather globalist passive reconciling idealist futurist “Gaian” views, but you just keep looking for me, as we say in Spanish. (Trying to pick a fight) It must be that perpetual Chilean “chip on your shoulder” about your neighbors being inevitably always BETTER THAN YOU, that you just can't shake off, I guess. lol ... LAUGH STUPID! i DON'T MEAN IT!
Dec 26th, 2017 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -3jeezz !
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Dec 26th, 2017 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Dear hermanito Shileno...
Dec 26th, 2017 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You know perfectly that you ain't supposed to write under the influence...
But..., if you..., partout..., must pick an ethylic fight..., why don't you chose a REAL bastard like Anglo-Argie-Brazilian Turnip Jack Bauer...?
Did ya have a look at the little girl's picture above...?
She's one of those Anglo Turnip Jack Bauer praisrs the Brazilian Death Squads for killing...
Shame on Turnip Jack Bauer and people like him.., that make this World a lesser place to live...
Estimado THINK
Dec 26th, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +3CHRISTMAS has faded here in the quiet community of Chicuréo, and the guardian of the wine closet is away leaving the mice and I home to play. ...In my case, sampling a gift of Talisker 10 year old... Wish I could share a cup or two with you...
Speaking seriously, I cannot imagine wealthy civilized nations allow such depressing poverty to continue (and yes... I include Chile) when there is no reason.
Meanwhile, you've missed my post because you're distracted by its content...
Yet poverty has always existed among the population of nations @Chicureo, since the beginning of civilization. It seems to me any conversation that aims at producing viable perspectives on how to no longer have the problem, must first decide where do the conditions that results in poverty fundamentally lie. Is it in the performance of systems, in the philosophies of politics or economics, or is it the human heart whose selfishness will have its way one way or another, no matter what distribution or production system we come up with? Is it a little of all of these things? One thing in my view is certain. Just trying to apply fixes through changing or adjusting the mechanisms of systems never changes the constant eventual outpouring of poverty, in greater or lesser numbers.
Dec 26th, 2017 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Another thing I believe is worthwhile throwing into the conversation, is the “definition” of poverty. Poverty doesn't always “look” poor. Other forms of moral or cultural poverty will ultimately bring on financial poverty, yet when properly understood how things came to be that way, we realize it's too superficial and “too little too late” to intercede with fixes which only talk about things like “diminishing inflation” or “creating jobs”. We find problems to be at at much deeper levels of things like motivation, cultural personality, social integration, social isolation or cultural segregation. It seems that the fixes that would reflect significant improvements in numbers of the nation, still leave vast swaths of people in non changing predicaments.
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Dec 26th, 2017 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Pat Ed
Dec 27th, 2017 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse +2Are you as ridiculous as you are trying to pretend or is your purpose to try and block sensible discussion on this thread or bore us all to death.
If 'Nonsense Verbiage' were an Olympic event you would be getting golds in the 100m, 200m, 400m, 1000m, 5000m, 10000m and Marathon events with no problem whatsoever.
Gaia - my arse what a load of bollocks.
By the way I notice your English has slipped back to 'total crap' after having improved massively.
“Meanwhile, you've missed my post because you're distracted by its content...”..., mi Shilean hermanito says...
Dec 27th, 2017 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse -3Yeahh..., I still remember..., in the beginning of times..., me writing dozens of “Also Sprach Zarathustras”...,under “diverse influences”...
The morning after..., one could see no point in them..., nor content...
Maybe ya know that feeling... ;-)
@patrick...
Dec 27th, 2017 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse +3“ ....The Gaia hypothesis continues to be broadly skeptically received by the scientific community.....the Gaia hypothesis continues to attract criticism, and today some scientists consider it to be only weakly supported by, or at odds with, the available evidence....”
I'd say that our Patrick is also at odds with the available evidence.
I've got to admit that our chatter sock puppet still can't figure out that I'm continuing to poke him with a sharpened stick...
Dec 27th, 2017 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse +4THINK you've been deleted before, but self deleted?
“Patrick Edgar” is a big time-waster.
Dec 27th, 2017 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse +3Don't expend any further effort on him.
Same for “Think”.
And DT and his 'neutral' posts, also.
BACK ON TOPIC:
A marginalised, fringe-dwelling Mapuche toddler is reduced to drinking from a puddle on a filthy sidewalk.
The Argies dismiss it as unremarkable.
Go figure.
@Lightning -- that region is far from Mapuche territory. There are several other aboriginal ethnicities here. But you are right that it [the photo] reflects a rather unremarkable event, and one that the photographer and his payaso game-players likely misinterpreted.
Dec 27th, 2017 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1@PE
Dec 27th, 2017 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse -1Sounds like you are saying that since Britain and other European countries were able in the past to grab land that did not belong to them, that now newer countries like Argentina and Australia should have the chance to do the same.
To me it seems a little ridiculous that Antarctica should belong to any country, but if former colonies have some kind of rights owned to them, then maybe India and Bangladesh should get a share, since unlike Argentina they have a lot of people and not enough land and resources. Or how about those Pacific Islanders whose homes will soon be underwater if the icecap melts?
As for the Falklands, what you are suggesting sounds like free association, which is one of the ways to decolonise a territory according to the UN. In theory it might be a good solution, but the Falklanders would have to trust Argentina in order to agree to it, and they absolutely don't.
@Think
A postage stamp, really? It doesn't exactly compare to a law saying the Antarctic territory must be shown on every map sold in the country, despite the fact they've signed a treaty that gives every country exactly the same rights and limitations on activities there.
And Chicureo and Jack Bauer actually have quite a few things in common, wouldn't you say?
@DemonT, OK, let me try to explain myself a little better. I see the world as a clan of people in some cluster of villages we all grew up in witnessing eachother's lives. What I mean by this is that life's encompassing gametes of “accountabilities”, the “all that can be lived and can still come”, and all “moral debt, or still owed to us by life” is readily comprehensive at an arms length of time. As opposed to a world in which things that are gone in History, and are now irrelevant. I'm not saying that we must sentence everything that has happened in history. I'm saying that we can include anything that can be talked about in conclusive reasonings. I look at countries as simply as a human lives. Meaning if one person already made his fortune by collecting from the forest to build his house, while another is still dwelling in caves, we should understand things symbiotically, call it morally just if you wish. The first country should to acknowledge it has picked plenty already, must retreat from the forest, and selflessly make sure the other country goes to the forest well learned, so it can build its own house better quality, being taught how to maximize its reaping and harvesting while tending to the forest better then the older country did. Like brothers in other words.
Dec 27th, 2017 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Perhaps because we still don't know each other, you thought I meant something like “Hey!! It's my turn now to rape and pillage!” Which of course to someone who realizes “two wrongs do not make a right” would not make sense at all. As an Argentine, and yes, I was born in the US, I would want to see my southern country, as one that is honorable and respected. I'm not competing nor trying to fight for one country being better than another. Nor do I reason in terms of how things currently are. I see it perfectly natural and sensible that Argentina should aim at administrating the South Atlantic and an appropriate part of Antarctica, along side Southern African countries also aiming beyond themselves.
@PE
Dec 27th, 2017 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You said before that we should all have equal right to all of the Earth as one. If that is what you believe, I'd have thought you'd want to get rid of countries and borders altogether, rather than arguing about which one owns which bit of land.
I guess you think some people have unfairly benefited because their country is powerful today (America) or was powerful in the past (UK, and other European countries), and that's true. But other people have benefited because their country happened to have oil, or gold, or fertile soil, or whatever, and how is that any more fair? It's just chance.
Besides, a country isn't like a person, because it's constantly renewed with new people. You didn't steal any land off native Americans, and I haven't built any empires. We can't possibly put right all the injustices of the past, only try to make things better in our own time.
What I object to is you blaming Britain for everything, including stuff Argentina did, and claiming other countries are so much better when they are not.
It seems to be common in South America to blame the US, and before that Britain, for all your problems, but I don't think its a healthy attitude. Yes there are things you can't control, and it isn't fair, but nor are those countries helpless victims. If they deny responsibility for their mistakes, they are also denying their own power to change things.
@Chicureo
I'm really curious what you said that got your comments deleted. Judging by the upvotes it was surprisingly popular...
I replied to that right above this @DemonT
Dec 28th, 2017 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse -1This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.
Dec 28th, 2017 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse -1PS...:
On must be extemly naive to believe that Thinks' above comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by their community standards. For more detail see their FAQs... (which don't exist).
@PE
Dec 28th, 2017 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse +1That makes no sense, how can you reply before I posted?
@Think
There are plenty of comments on here that don't follow the rules and are never removed. It seems to be pretty random. And you're right about the FAQs not existing. I wonder if they were there before the site redesign, I can't remember at all.
DemonTree
Dec 28th, 2017 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse -2No comment was removed...he just wrote that...
You just fell for one of Chicureo's auld “ShilAnglo” ethylic charades..., boy
Dec 28th, 2017 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse -1Oh, that's disappointing. Considering Pirat-hunter's comments wishing death on Macri and his family weren't removed, I thought Chicureo must have said something really extreme.
Dec 28th, 2017 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I wasn't sure if that's what you meant or not in your previous comment.
This is getting maddening @DemonT ! I think this has gone past the point already of needing to stop correcting each other and start making the effort of looking for how we ourselves are overlooking how it does make sense ! OK look. You posted the same question twice because you thought I hadn't seen it the first time, correct? Well in between those two is actually my response to your first entry
Dec 28th, 2017 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -3@PE
Dec 28th, 2017 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I didn't. I replied to what you said. If you think it's so similar to what I said before, maybe that just means we will never agree about Antarctica.
But I'd like to know what you think about people blaming the US for all the problems in Latin America, especially since you are also American.
I never hear that. I hear the same “America the imperialist warring nation” disappointed denouncement you might hear anywhere in the world. But I also see countries in general still hold the faith about America, and feel that somehow it is the lesser of all evils. Of course they are not American and do not hold what is “their” country to a higher standard regarding how we treat our own people.
Dec 28th, 2017 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3OK, I see now that (before) they were two different statements. I didn't catch it because I glanced sped read over it and fooled my self into thinking you simply repeated the same question after calling me on not answering you on a different article. Let's start from scratch then, can we? Ask me what you need to, so that we can continue on ...
DT
Dec 28th, 2017 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PE still has not answered you, and appears quite determined to drag it out so that you drop it.
I notice that his English has improved dramatically from his previous attempts to deceive.
DemonTree
Dec 28th, 2017 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you say “especially since you are also American.”
I seriously doubt that..The US Govt will not allow dual Nationality unless you are born with it...
It's one or the other and it's very rare for a Yank to give up Yankee nationality...
Incorrect @Voice. My country will grant as many as two other nationalities, so as long as they fall within the proper categories. I thus re acquired my Italian right to citizenship (jure sanguinis) through my grandfather, and father who was actually born in Argentina. The U.S. would also be OK with me taking on similarly my Argentine citizenship (paternal right) as both my parents were born there. ... There is some doubt as to the detailed Argentine technicalities on that. I think two other citizenships, again, provided certain criteria, is alright with Argentina. My cousin who was also born in the States, seems to have been told not. But I didn't have the heart to tell her that all these years she has been wrong and she could have become an Argentine without loosing her US citizenship. So as you see, the legal technicalities are somewhat complex in this. I know that at least one other blood line citizenship is allowed by Argentina, as many Argentine over recent decades went and reclaimed their Spanish and Italian citizenship without loosing their Argentine one.
Dec 28th, 2017 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... But what is it that you “seriously doubt” Voice, I don't get that part.
I know how complex they are being married to a Yank...
Dec 28th, 2017 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1There is no way you can have Italian Nationality and US Nationality through Grandparents...
If your parents had American citizenship when you were born you could not have Argentine citizenship either. The US would not allow that conflict of interest even though Argentina would allow it.
A person born say in the UK with one or more parents holding American nationality can have dual nationality...
So what I seriously doubt is that you have both American Nationality and Italian Nationality...it's one or the other...
You likely could get permanent residency..but that's about it...
Well. I am both, would you like me to send you a cellphone picture of my IDs?? ... lol ...
Dec 28th, 2017 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I'm always a little surprised when people assume and accuse people in forums of lying. It actually takes me a while to see that that is what's going on. ... I can't comprehend why people on line put so much effort in virtual chats to defy what they can't prove.
Yes I often post pictures on here to prove a point using flicker or one of the others...
Dec 28th, 2017 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A picture of an EU/Italian passport lying next to a US one would be nice thank you...
So yes it is easy to prove...
On here I have posted a pic of a local newspaper with a local background and the date clearly shown to prove where I was...
This is the point where most folk decline and make some excuse why they shouldn't...so I won't be particularly surprised or disappointed if you wish to take that route....;-)
@'Lightning'
Dec 28th, 2017 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You can see from this very thread that I'm not suspicious by nature. I never thought about it before, but now you've made me do so, your manner of posting is certainly very similar to Kanye's. Plus accusing me of being neutral... I nearly asked why do people think such a thing, but it's not 'people', is it?
Do you really feel the need to hide behind another name when you are already anonymous? Kanye would never deny being Troy Tempest, so if you don't deny being Kanye I'm going to assume it's true.
@Voice
There were articles on the BBC not too long ago about Americans considering renouncing their citizenship for tax reasons. All of them had already acquired another nationality without losing US citizenship. But apparently PE doesn't have Argentine citizenship anyway; that's kind of ironic.
@PE
Okay, I'll ask you something different. Do you really believe all the things you said above about Britain and about Chile, or were you just exaggerating for effect?
DemonTree
Dec 28th, 2017 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The US has changed that now...
I couldn't put expensive assets into my wife's name because she could be taxed by the US on the increase in their value and so some Yanks did renounce their nationality...but we did ask if she could have dual nationality...they said NO!
Ha..it has just dawned on me that the Avatar can be used to display a picture of two passports with a face behind it...;-)
Sorry I'm not avoiding any of you. Two times already my PC mysteriously threw in front of my send page a local log-in page that cancelled my Merco Press connection, loosing everything I wrote after pressing send. I give up. Obviously something doesn't want others to see me. NO, I'm not imagining it...! If you only knew ! ...How many times I get my critically well analyzed democratically moderate in the center win win points said where no one has threaded before, specially when it came to civil homosexuality controversies or points I made about the Falklands, and as unusually as the peaks of reasoning they constituted so the unusual occurrence of a destructive Enter button catastrophic would occur. If I had a chronology of every time and when regarding what it has happened, your jaws would just fall open ! I'm not kidding . I know there are other IM (Instant messaging) writers out there to whom this happens too. I've seen people writing next to me and caught the disbelief in their faces.
Dec 28th, 2017 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something is happening ... and beyond explaining what 'just happened' is about, it has to do with something that has never occurred in human civilization before: Everybody and Anybody the world over, is writing and speaking their mind about Anything and Everything their little hears want to on this world. .... think a little about what that means in a world that has always been super controlling of itself
Heh, maybe Gaia is trying to tell you something?
Dec 28th, 2017 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either that she's on our side, or else that you should write your posts in a text editor and then paste them into the comment box.
Besides, a simple yes or no would answer my question, there's really no excuse not to do that.
It probably is ! It probably is trying to tell me “don't waste your efforts going on about that, re group and re aim towards elsewhere!” lol Do you know any of those program applications that save an instant copy of what you're writing on any site or program ????
Dec 28th, 2017 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1OK give me that “yes or no” Question please again...
Just write in Word or even notepad and save before you try and post it. Even if you don't save, the message is less likely to disappear from there.
Dec 28th, 2017 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1My question again: “Do you really believe all the things you said above about Britain and about Chile, or were you just exaggerating for effect?”
What did I say...what did I say would happen...
Dec 28th, 2017 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”This is the point where most folk decline and make some excuse why they shouldn't...so I won't be particularly surprised or disappointed if you wish to take that route....;-)”
I guess there will be no pics for me...
...and for goodness sake...STAY SIGNED IN FOREVER and it will never go back to the login...
...and for goodness sake there is no need for a separate program not to lose a post....when finished typing and before selecting post comment, drag the text cursor over the whole post and select copy...in you lose it you can paste it back in...
Yeah, I wasn't exactly surprised either. And he still hasn't managed to answer my simple question. I just don't like typing in the tiny box so I use a separate text editor.
Dec 29th, 2017 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0How come you've never asked me for pics? Not suspicious enough?
Not suspicious at all...
Dec 29th, 2017 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse -1Meanwhile could someone just fix the drinking water issue. Are there no plumbers in Argentina or is everyone to busy being a big shot?
Dec 29th, 2017 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know that the Kircheners screwed up public works with their greed but surely this can have been fixed by now.
@Voice
Dec 29th, 2017 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse -1Think wouldn't load a picture either. Not even of the sky to show he was in the Americas and not Europe. What should I think of that?
@RICO
It's never lack of plumbers that stops people having clean drinking water. It's always lack of money, and lack of will to do anything about it.
It's such an interesting article actually.
Dec 29th, 2017 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The publisher or journalist, rather than report the story and just say something like “Fresh water unavailability strikes families ... or children in Argentina” It makes a moral condemnation instead, something completely unethical in objective unbiased news reporting.
Clearly Merco Press is out to get Argentina. I actually have a collection of screen shots where I have systematically been isolating their selection of words. And if you look across the board all of their stories at every time they qualify a title with the selection of adjectives, like a faulted typewriter, you can see how they always seek an “effect” when it comes to their British tied interest for the islands political context with South America and the situation with Argentina. For example the story about the Macri looking to beef up Argentina's cruise ship marketing business. It chooses the term “aggressively promoting” giving as always the inference of a hostile country. I'm not saying that there is a system or propagandist methodology behind it, but clearly after following Merco Press for a while, you can distinctly see that somebody in there “chooses” to go after Argentina with an negative perspective. It could be as simply as old school prejudiced cultural racism in their whole journalistic environment, because you see it also in how they write certain stories about other countries as well, the language not picked up by their Spanish mother tongue host. Another obvious one is “The US withdraws -support- for the search of the San Juan”. This title suggests that the US no longer justifies the worthiness of helping Argentina. You can actually find “this maligning half lie” in the article itself, when they quote what was actually said by U.S. officials. MercoPress either uses its printing presses for political hostility, or is simply stupidly immature. Either way they should not continue unnoticed by the international fair and ethical reporting communit
@PE
Dec 29th, 2017 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fresh water unavailability strikes families ... or children in Argentina”
An absurd suggestion. There is no lack of freshwater in Argentina. A more objective headline would certainly be possible, but that one is just dishonest.
I believe you are overthinking this. The headlines are obviously not written by a native English speaker, so it's silly to look for nuance in the choice of words.
From my experience, the stories about Macri and his government are generally favourable, and those about CFK very critical. Also there seems to be some kind of exchange of stories with Clarin, which holds similar views. You may well suspect this bias in MP is because Macri has a more favourable attitude towards Britain, and a less hostile one to the Falklands, and you may well be right. It's not simply opposed to Argentina though.
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