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Rule out a “no-deal Brexit”, 200 plus all parties MPs call on Theresa May

Monday, January 7th 2019 - 09:18 UTC
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More than 200 MPs from different political parties have signed a letter to Prime Minister Theresa May, urging her to rule out a no-deal Brexit. The MPs - including both Leave and Remain supporters - have been invited to meet the prime minister on Tuesday. Read full article

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  • Pontefractious

    The Irish border solution on offer is unacceptable and yet 200 MPs write to May saying they don't want a naked BREXIT. Well, now, that's technically being caught between a rock and a hard place. So it looks like the naked BREXIT by default. Of course, we haven't heard yet from the European companies who are major exporters to the UK. Not surprising - just another piece of evidence showing the dysfunction that is the European Union. But with a naked BREXIT I think we will hear - companies like BMW finally press their governments to tell Tusk et al to get real. Then we will discover that post naked BREXIT is full of opportunities to do deals,

    Jan 07th, 2019 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    It's dysfunction that the EU is ruled by the member states rather than big companies? Now we see what kind of country the Brexiteers want to build!

    The only dysfunction here is the bizarre delusion of the Brexiters that the EU is going to save them from their poor decisions. Leave means leave, and you'd better be prepared to look after yourself.

    Jan 07th, 2019 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    81 days to Brexit!

    Jan 07th, 2019 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    81 days and we're totally unprepared. Are you also expecting BWM to somehow save us?

    Jan 07th, 2019 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    We live in some very interesting times...

    ...Europe’s three most powerful leaders—Angela Merkel of Germany, Emmanuel Macron of France, and Theresa May of the United Kingdom—have worse approval ratings than the embattled Donald Trump.

    Jan 07th, 2019 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    BWM?

    Save us from what?

    Project Fear Mk II is in full cry?

    Hopefully we will save ourselves from the EU Superstate quite soon..

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    There's no iceberg, and anyway the Titanic is unsinkable. You can't trust the sailors, the man down the pub is much more knowledgeable.

    Ask Pontefractious, he's the one thinks we need them.

    @Chicureo
    You've lived through ill-conceived and disastrous economic experiments. Got any advice?

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT it was the man down the pub that decided he had had enough of the establishment's, academia's and big businesses lies and obsfucation And voted accordingly. I'm with Buzz Lightyear…

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I've always had a special sympathy for the UK.

    Your Theresa May inherited a complicated situation that frankly was weakly negotiated by her team. I'm not in total agreement with Brexit campaign leader Nigel Farage, but I do sincerely think that Donald Tusk has screwed your nation into an impracticable no win corner, which was the objective by the Eurocrat Globalists.

    To turn back the clock, ...probably it would have been prudent to not have had the referendum and instead aggressively fight Germany and France for more common sense....

    My prediction is that history will unkindly judge Merkel's recent leadership and will write off Macron as “être une fumisterie” that had his “15 minutes of fame.” Poor Theresa May I think will be a catastrophe of her own making, but I don't believe a hard Brexit will result in a catastrophe either. Mainland Europe cannot especially afford an economic shock right now... They desperately need a healthy UK, in or outside their Globalist club.

    There is an iceberg, the ship already has a gash in its hull, but it's not the Titanic your sailing on... It's a modern cruise ship instead with better safety engineering.

    ...It's not the time yet for putting on life jackets...

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    Shall we let the man down the pub design jet engines too, since he's so much more knowledgeable than the experts?

    It was ordinary people who'd had enough of the establishment who voted for Chavez. And for Allende. Very wise, those ordinary people.

    @Chicureo
    Yes, it would have been better not to have had the referendum. It's far too easy to convince people to vote for castles in the air, but the government does not have a genie to grant wishes. The Brexit voters refused to believe that the EU had to the power to, as you say, screw us into a no win corner, and even now they've seen that it's true they still won't face to up reality. May did a poor job of negotiating, but there's a limit to how much better anyone else could have done - Corbyn also had a list of incompatible requirements for a deal.

    Today on another forum I saw one Brexiter saying he doesn't see why lorries that flowed smoothly one day will not flow smoothly the next (after voting to 'reclaim control over our borders' and change all of the laws relating to entry!), and another claiming that even if we leave without a deal, we'll still have a two year 'tapering off' period (flat out wrong). I despair for my countrymen.

    As for the EU needing a healthy UK, they do, but it's out of their hands now. They've agreed the withdrawal agreement, it's up to our parliament whether to sign it. Once we pick the hard Brexit there's actually little they can do to make it easier. We'll be reverting to WTO rules and there are penalties for favouring one country over another (which is what helping us out would be), if there's no official trade deal.

    Tell me, how long did it take after Allende's election before you realised everything was going to go to hell? And how long did it take his supporters to realise things weren't working?

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT I am an ordinary guy and at one time I did design jet engines. Does that answer your question? Lord Adonis expert? I think not, dolt would be a more suitable term...

    Collective layman common sense rules....

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    That's the point! You are an expert on jet engines; experts aren't some separate species, they're are just people who know more about a certain subject.

    So now give a real answer: If I pick some random guy from the pub, can he design a jet engine? If he claims jet engines can run on water, and there is some kind of conspiracy to hide it, do you think he's right or do you think he's an idiot?

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    “how long did it take after Allende's election before you realised everything was going to go to hell?”

    ...long after the month long glorious brotherly visit by comrade Fidel...

    ...When my father and uncles stopped planting crops as there was no longer a profitable certainty, even continue to own the land...

    ...probably when we had scarce to buy and angry housewives marched in the streets banging on pots...

    It was like watching a proverbial “train wreck”...
    ...we knew we were completely screwed well in advance...

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “It was like watching a proverbial “train wreck”...
    ...we knew we were completely screwed well in advance...”

    I bet there were still people saying everything would be okay right up until the end. I bet there are still people saying everything would have been okay if Allende had just stayed in power.

    80 days until the train derails...

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Train wreck...? Looks more like Trainspotting to me...
    “There will be no more Union left” (minute 02:48 :-)
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XETd9nSNAe8

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Not much difference. And I bet all those people voted for Brexit.

    Is that the American cut? I heard they subtitled it when they showed it there.

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Not only that...

    Some of the purest Albian dialogues had to be rerecorded 'cause they sounded to weird for them Yanks...!

    ( And Oasis snubbed the soundtrack thinking the film was about “trainspotting”...:-(

    Jan 08th, 2019 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol. To be fair it's not the easiest accent. I once watched a documentary about bodybuilders in Liverpool on Youtube, and they subtitled that, too. But maybe that's more for the benefit of foreign speaks than Americans?

    Can I ask you a random question? How would you say “they followed me and John,” in Spanish and in German? It's a stupid grammar question I saw asked today, and I wondered if other languages have it too.

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    “Nos siguieron a mi y a Juan ”
    “Die verfolgten mich und Johannes”

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Thanks.

    In the US and UK kids write something like “Me and John followed them”, and teachers tell us it should be “John and I”. And then when those kids grow up, they say “They followed John and I”, and grammarians complain that's wrong. The Spanish is very different, but in German do you use 'ich' for the first example, when you and John are doing the action?

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Oasis = Megadolts QED

    There is no correct way to say anything. Pendants don't rule

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You lost me completely..., boy...
    Try Duolingo...

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I was just curious if kids speaking other languages get the same thing. My opinion is if you have to be taught a grammar rule it's bullshit. Real grammar rules are something people know without being told, like saying 'big blue book' and never 'blue big book'.

    Think, how do you say “Me and John followed them” in German?

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Booooring.... Last time..., boy... Use Duolingo from now on...

    ”Johannes und ich verfolgten (begleiteten) sie...”

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Sorry, machine translations are too influenced by what you feed into them. (Also, Duolingo isn't a translation tool.)

    But that answers my question: German does follow the rule the grammarians insist on in English. Maybe it was normal in old English or something.

    On a more Brexit related note; what a total mess. I don't know what our MPs are thinking, they must know there is no plan B and no chance of one either. I can't think of anyone who has come out of this debacle well.

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    The answer to your question is that Engrish IS a Germanic language..., as Spanish IS a Latin language... Simples...

    BREXIT...
    OMG...
    It is just exceeding the most optimistic schemes we..., the “Machiavellian Enemies” of Engeland..., could ever had concieved...

    All thanks to them catlick Poles...:-)))

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    It should be simple, except that for some reason educated people thought English should be more like Latin. Hence those stupid rules about not splitting an infinitive, because you CAN'T split one in Latin.

    Besides, German still has scary things like the dative case, which English abandoned long ago. Maybe that's why they don't get confused whether to use 'I' or 'me' in the phrases I mentioned.

    As for Brexit, you can't blame the Poles. It was those Machiavellian Enemies of England Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, and the *smart, well informed, clear-thinking* people who believed them.

    Jan 09th, 2019 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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