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May/Sturgeon meeting confirm the divide between the two leaders over Brexit

Thursday, January 24th 2019 - 06:00 UTC
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First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and Prime Minister Theresa May have met for talks in London after clashing over a second Scottish independence vote. The Downing Street summit was part of what Mrs. May called an “enhanced role” for the Scottish government in Brexit. Read full article

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  • The Voice

    Scottish Independence? Whats the realistic chance of that? Celtic Connections, Mr Burns its all happening...

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I'm watching a report that some British are in a panic mode and are buying stockpiles of food and medicine in case of a hard-Brexit...
    ...hysteria over-hype...

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I've started getting supplies in, inspired by what you said about Chile, Chicureo. Even if nothing happens, it won't do me any harm.

    @TV
    People said the same about Brexit...

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • NativeAngeleno

    All Nicola needs do is declare to her country Independence from the UK starting on the date Scotland loses its EU membership, currently 30 March 2019, forcing a vote in Scotland early in March to Leave the UK or Remain in the EU, none of which requires approval by May, and which May and the Tories and London and England cannot stop considering it will be a vote to agree or disagree with Sturgeon's Declaration. She can stop the hemorrhaging of British companies fleeing England for various cities on the continent, informing them they will still have a place in the (former) UK to set up headquarters, giving an independent Scotland an enormous financial shot in the arm it now lacks, funding that very independence. If Scots find the sentimentality for the UK too much to bear, they can vote to Brexit along with the rest of the UK rapidly swirling down the toilet bowl, or use their common sense to eject from the mess in the south before Brexit dooms them, too.

    In so doing Nicola can give Ireland and the North an escape hatch to align with Independent Scotland by agreeing to remain in the EU and avoid their imminent border crossing catastrophe, perhaps carving out a special arrangement for the North to keep its particularly unique character and traditions, re-aligning more with Independent Protestant Scotland rather than Catholic Ireland if they so chose.

    Problema resuelto. England and Wales brought this very hard rain on themselves. The Scots and Northern Ireland do not have to accompany them in their mad jump off that cliff.

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    You know, I have to smile how you are all being played by the Globalist elites that are frightening you over silly trivial tribal and ideological issues, while they openly laugh at your misery. An example in point: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s4tTjMrQzas
    You're worrying about stockpiling food and medicine while they're worried about their investment portfolios...

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    You mean like this guy?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/brexiteer-john-redwood-tells-investors-to-pull-money-out-of-the-uk-2017-11?r=US&IR=T

    Or this one?

    www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-5824697/Brexiteer-Odey-bets-500m-AGAINST-British-businesses.html

    Or this?

    www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/14/brexit-warning-investment-firm-somerset-capital-management-jacob-rees-mogg

    They frightened us over silly trivial tribal and ideological issues, and they aren't going to suffer for a moment over the chaos they helped create.

    @NativeAngeleno
    There's just one teeny-weeny problem. If Scotland leaves the UK it will become a new country, and will have to apply to join the EU in it's own right. Also, they probably wouldn't exactly jump at the chance of taking NI with them. That place is a money-sink as well as a powder keg.

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Every Scot costs English taxpayers about $2300 a year. Where are they going to make that up? And, loads of Scots will leave for England, particularly rich ones. More pain for those left. It will be decimated.

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I'm just noting that just like that “The Bank of England is busily arguing with itself,” is an example of political powers, while not recognizing the fact that the British people are being played...

    I'm on the side of the normal ordinary populace of your country, not the Globalists that are creating havoc...

    Look how Airbus today is threatening your country.





    FYI You can't use more than one link per post.

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • The Voice

    Absolutely Chicureo, they are pulling out all the stops to stop us, they are petrified.
    The Premier League, British Music, British Films and TV, UK Financial Services, Drugs, medical technology, Top Gear! Weapons etc etc.
    They are using every bit of skullduggery in the book.

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    Like these people?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/23/james-dyson-brexiteer-elite-brexit-rees-mogg

    See how they change their tune when it's their own money on the line. When are you gonna recognise that you're being played?

    @Chicureo
    Copy my links and paste them into the address bar at the top. It's the only way I've found to get around MP's link bug.

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Asia is the new epicentre, Dyson moves two people and does a namechange, so what? Moggy has offices all over the world, good to have one in the Irish tax haven. So naive, you accept and post fake news without thinking about it?

    Jan 24th, 2019 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    You just admitted the news is true. The Brexiteers are saying and doing exactly the same thing as all the other companies you complained about - Brexit is a risk, and they're moving parts of their business out of the country. They tell us peons that Brexit will be fine, because they want our votes, but they don't lie to the people they care about, the ones with money. What's naive is seeing that 90% of businesses are 'petrified' of Brexit, and thinking... what? That they're ALL stupid and incompetent? That it's some kind of conspiracy and they're wasting millions of pounds for no reason? What do you even believe?

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Watching the summary of the Davos Summit meeting, it seems your country is “stuck between a rock and a hard place.” Watching the Eurocrat and Globalist pundits all seemingly doubt that May will be able to implement a sensible deal on the divorce, or the nature of the longer-term trading arrangement, much less transition in the time available. Looks like a zero sum game.

    My guess is that “a no deal” is now the more likely.

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Unfortunately, I agree. That's why I've started stocking up on loo roll, and businesses have started stocking up on parts and opening offices abroad. But unlike me, it's costing the businesses money, money they could have spent on salaries or expansion in the UK. If we were going to leave with no deal, it would have been better to decide that at the beginning. Two years is not enough time to prepare, but far better than two months.

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT You could always use those old copies of the Guardian. You would end up with socialist propaganda all over your *rse!

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Unfortunately digital news makes poor toilet paper.

    I never thought I'd see the day when the 'socialists' would be the pro-business faction... the Conservatives have really lost it.

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I lived through a time without toilet paper. I sincerely think you'll need to worry, but TP has a long shelf life although is bulky. I would suggest you put a case of your EU preferred white wine for solace. In my opinion, this is similar to the hysteria of Y2K.

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No, it's really not. The 'hysteria' over Y2K meant that everyone was prepared, and as a result nothing at all happened. Whereas the ostrich-like attitude to Brexit means we are not prepared at all for the biggest economic shock of my lifetime.

    It was you who inspired me to stockpile toilet paper. Well, that and VZ. Even if there's no problem with supply, I can always use it. And I'm not too bothered about wine, but maybe I should get some cider in. AFAIK it's brewed in the UK, but who knows if they use imported ingredients?

    Oh, I forgot to tell you; I looked at the avocados in the supermarket and they were from Chile! Maybe your family grew them?

    Jan 25th, 2019 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Huh toilet paper is made from wood pulp....Scotland is literally covered in softwoods....
    God save us from the panic buyers...they create the shortages...

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    There is a very small possibility, ours are marketed to Tesco and Asda. 95% are Hass variety with the remainder being the Esther variety. About half our crop is Global GAP certified. We did obtain the Rainforest Alliance certification on 40 hectares for selling to Whole Foods in the USA.

    Nice link: https://fruitsfromchile.com/fruit/avocados/

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    Sure we have the raw materials, but that doesn't mean the factories and supply lines are set up and ready to go. Eventually it'll all get sorted out, probably with higher prices for us consumers, but the possibility of panic buying in March is another reason to get a few extra bits in gradually now.

    @Chicureo
    It was a Lidl I think, I'll have to have a look when I'm doing my panic buying in Asda. ;)

    Did you see Trump has caved and ended the shutdown?

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT if there is a shortage we'll identify you as the cause. We have 7 rolls in stock, is that hoarding?

    Its been said that Leaver angst is an illness.

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Not my problem. I didn't vote to jump off an economic cliff or for the coalition of chaos. Look in the mirror if you want someone to blame.

    And many things have been said. Are you going to heed the Queen's plea to respect different points of view and find common ground?

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Unlike you I see nothing to blame anyone for. We are leaving. We dont want a fudge, the majority voted to leave. Did you hear the roars of approval on QT when someone suggested that we should just leave? People are sick of Remainers and how they have obstructed the democratic decision of the majority of British people.

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Lidl is a great place for discounts, but none of our product goes there. Our table grapes will start arriving exclusively to Tesco by the end of March.

    Trump has given 15 days for a compromise and allowed the poor Federal workforce to be paid.

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    You see nothing to blame anyone for... except me for any shortages, and unspecified Remainers for supposedly obstructing Brexit. What exactly do you think they/we have done - apart from hurting your delicate feelings by criticising you?

    @Chicureo
    Sadly there is no Tesco near us.

    As for Trump, he could have done this 3 weeks ago and avoided making the Federal workforce suffer. Hopefully he's realised he's gonna have to negotiate with the Democrats if he wants the wall, instead of taking hostages.

    Jan 26th, 2019 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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