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Montevideo, May 18th 2022 - 03:38 UTC
Brazil’s new right-wing government requested on Monday that schools film their students singing the national anthem and that a message including President Jair Bolsonaro’s campaign slogan be read aloud to classes. Read full article
REF: national anthem and Bolsonaro's campaign slogan in all schools:
An EXCELLENT Idea to create/promote patriotism right from the childhood:
Big brother is watching you (sing the national anthem).
What is wrong with these politians? Brasil has so many problems with basic education and all they are interested in is indoctrinating kids.
REF: all they are interested in is indoctrinating kids:
Old habits die hard!
REF: Brasil has so many problems:
Education purge...that's a bit of a strong, and inaccurate word used to describe Velez-Rodriguez' recommendation to all schools, public and private - that students should sing the national anthem once a week, be filmed while singing it, and repeat Bolsonaro's election campaign slogan - which has now been removed/corrected....and rightly so.
But the fact remains, that Federal Law 5700/71, which refers to how the national symbols should be represented, was altered in 2009 - by Law 12.031 - adding that the National Anthem should be sung at schools once a week.
It was approved by Congress, and signed by Jose Alencar (Lula's VP) and Fernando Haddad (Lula's Min of Education).
So the only recommendation still in force is to sing the National Anthem....nothing wrong with that...so all's well that ends well.
Promoting patriotism right from the childhood of course is an excellent idea but besides that, if the H'able A-Hole had also encouraged studying - learning at an early age and had promised to create Good Studying Environment; his mental vomiting could have had some - at least a wee bit - meaning! Maybe, by law, constitutionally, studying and offering encouragement to study is not all that necessary!
Well, FROM: FINANCIAL TIMES:
Those things aren't a purge at all; more like attempts at indoctrination (the campaign slogan, anyway). Having kids sing the national anthem is not so unusual, it's the filming them part that's weird. Perhaps the 'purge' is referring to ending sex education and political debate, whatever that is? Why are the right so keen on keeping kids ignorant about sex? They think it's a way to control people? Or they want young people to suffer for their mistakes?
It's not all THAT profound as you question/doubt. Simply put: Ignorance is bliss and THAT bliss is what they need the population [including the future generations (not theirs' of course)] to achieve. Afterall, more ignorants = easier to employ the Famed Clandestine-Oranges!
”more like attempts at indoctrination (campaign slogan, anyway)”...an attempt by one (radical) minister, who immy realized he'd pissed out the pot...but I suppose this will be recurrent news until the end of 2019.
....ending sex education & political debate ?
Sex education is what these kids get everyday; in Brazil (2011), 25,000 girls btwn 10-14 , and 440,000 btwn 15-19 had unwanted pregnancies. If the boys can't keep it in their pants, 'n girls can't keep their panties on, at learn how to prevent pregancies, STDs...there isn't a law which obliges sex education (for younger kids) in school, 'n one of the reasons is that religious groups are against it (catholics, evangelicals) who maintain that sex education should start at home...but most parents prefer to ignore what their children are doing or going through.
Kids are taught basic notions of reproduction in biology classes, which does not address the sex issue. Responsible sex campaigns flourish at carnival time, but seems that most (who when interviewed on the streets) couldn't care less.
Political debate : after a certain age, when kids are able to think for themselves, nothing wrong with teaching political theory - but no brainwashing - w/o trying to 'push' any particular ideology (common during the PT era).
(Cont of 'Bolsonaro learning the hard way...”
I’ve known Lula – as a public figure – since the early 70s….always knew he was corrupt (as later facts proved, 'n to what extent) ; not to mention that he, and Palocci, are still suspects in the murder case involving Celso Daniel’s death in 2002 .
Have known Brizola since the 60s. In 61, after Janio resigned, he (then Governor of RS) opted for armed resistance….he was dissuaded when the military allowed Jango to take office….sounds like ordering a hit on someone whose actions might threaten him, wouldn’t have been so improbable.
You’re right abt Terry the turd….flush ‘n forget.
Take a look at my last post on “UK Border Force…”
What really matters - to Generalize & to simplify; it is ALL about:
- SPECIAL Privileges+Protection
- Control [preferably, TOTAL] of the less privileged
Note: The rest, nobody cares - least of all, the oppressed who beg to be taken for a ride!
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!
I remember when I was a very young, I had (and still have) a night light with Uncle Sam standing by a slab that had the pledge of allegiance on it before they added the line ”under god' in it. For years I would always stumble on that part of the pledge when we did it in school. Make sure you pass that on to your K buddies, Delirium, it will give you all a clue to date me... :)
@DemonTree / @Jack Bauer
The MOST Logical AND a Rational Way Of Thinking [IF this is NOT it; then WHAT IS IT?]:
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
I’ve known Lula – as a public figure – since the early 70s….always knew he was corrupt (as later facts proved,
Lula in a quid pro quo with OAS. Instead, it argued that because it is known that OAS was taking kickbacks from Petrobras, and Lula was the sitting president at the time, it is reasonable to infer that he was aware and complicit. This is, needless to say, not sufficient evidence to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. And indeed, according to several analysts, no European or American court would have ruled to convict based on the evidence presented
A fascist by any other name is still a fascist.
@DemonTree / @Jack Bauer
That's right Gollum......be obedient, you slimy albino cockroach.....sit, roll-over, play dead, wave your antennae......follow me around....but don't forget your daily meal from the garbage can.
A communist cockroach under any other name, is still a communist.
If Lula in a quid pro quo with OAS were the only thing against the toad......
'lista dos acusados na lavajato'.....from 2017.....it's high-time Fachin sent all the cases to lower Federal Court....crimes committed before the current legislature are not covered by immunity.
Sex education is what these kids get everyday
That's exactly why it ought to be taught in schools, because ignorance isn't gonna stop kids having sex. I still remember the close up slides they showed us of STDs (think oozing sores and weird coloured discharge, very off-putting), and we also had a couple of former teenage mothers come in to tell us how hard it was. IMO kids should know all the options so they can make an informed decision, and importantly know what doesn't work, because in the absence of knowledge people pass around stupid rumours and think they're safe when they're not.
As for political debate, could be great or a terrible idea depending what it means. Teaching kids how the political system works, what their rights are, and that different options have advantages and disadvantages, as well as to question what politicians say and how to think for themselves would be really beneficial. But it could mean the exact opposite. Sadly there is more benefit for governments in keeping citizens ignorant.
Re Brizola, think Wikipedia said he encouraged Jango to resist the coup, but Jango refused (maybe because he knew they had US support). But armed resistance is different to ordering a hit on a journalist, IMO. If he had plotted to assassinate the military president, I'd find that more plausible.
Finally on my way home; went straight from Heathrow to a friend's birthday party, and then had lunch with my sister and niece today. I'll reply re UK border force later if I get chance.
So you're an American. Not surprising.
I was joking....altho it's no laughing matter. Fully agree kids should be taught fm a young age (10 ?) to avoid getting wrong information 'n screwing their lives up.
Just fyg, ignorance 'n total lack of responsibility is the cause of many young teen pregnancies here...in poorer suburbs, they have what they call pancadões (''funk” parties, full of booze 'n drugs), where young girls have unprotected sex with several boys.
On political debate, agree with 99% of what you said...just have my doubts as to the ...and that different options have advantages 'n disadvantages.....who decides what constitutes an advantage/disadvantage in the various ideologies/political systems ? The teacher can explain the differences between right 'n left ideologies, and then list the advantages - in his or her opinion - of one or the other. It is essential - imo - to keep brainwashing out of the equation. Also, dunno if I'm right, but I would say that in possession of the basic knowledge of L & R, each adolescent will tend towards one or the other - or neither - depending on his /hers social standing.
...more benefit for governments in keeping citizens ignorant.....that's always been the case with most Brazilian politicians, especially those from the NE, who until recently were virtual warlords in their own feuds.
Brizola did encourage armed resistance, but Jango, realizing it was useless, preferred to stand down...having seen 'n listened to many of Brizola's fiery speeches against those who opposed him, is what gives me the confidence to say he wouldn't think twice about getting rid of someone who became a thorn in his side...it was often the way severe political disputes were settled. And in many cases, still are.
Plotting to assassinate one of the military presidents would be a slightly harder undertaking, and would most likely have a disastrous outcome...for him.
I'm thinking your pledge of allegiance night-light, would date you back to the late 40s.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
A communist cockroach under any other name, is still a communist How about an altruistic liberal? Oh I forgot you're simply one of those reactionaries with a monochrome view of the world.
”Amazing how all you reactionaries have one thing in common, maligning those that don't agree with you. Must be a result of “Lower childhood intelligence clearly (which)predicts right-wing ideology and attitude...”
REF: it's high-time Fachin sent all the cases to lower Federal Court - crimes committed before the current legislature are not covered by immunity:
I'm sure that you ARE joking! Wait till ONE of these PARASITES actually becomes the NEXT president - UNLESS if it isn't a plain Witch-Hunt]; as I already got an inkling of it, from my contact in Brazil]. Sorry can't reveal much but please DO watch the Drama Unfold!
Okay, so we agree on sex education. It's not a panacea, (I think stable family life and perceived options for a better future are also very important) but it's better if young people are informed. Is the new government really planning to eliminate it from schools?
As for political debate, ask the kids to come up with the advantages and disadvantages for some particular policy, and the teachers can add any obvious ones they missed. The idea isn't to push some particular ideology but to make them think more deeply about trade-offs, eg big pensions are great but someone has to pay for them, letting the police shoot criminals may lead to more criminals shooting police instead of surrendering, money spent on education is not available for health, etc. Make it clear there is no right answer but everyone should make up their own mind based on what is most important to them - that's what we have voting for.
that's always been the case with most Brazilian politicians
Yes. And even ours, to some extent. Kids in the UK don't learn much about our political system; there always seem to be people who don't understand that we don't vote directly for the PM, for example.
Re Brizola, I'm curious why you listened to so many of his speeches if you disagreed with him. There was never much chance of him being elected president, was there? And he wasn't governor of SP.
it was often the way severe political disputes were settled. And in many cases, still are.
If you didn't have lower adult intelligence, you wouldn't have to appeal to stereotypes to try to make yourself look good. Those who are capable can stand on their own merits.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Those who are capable can stand on their own merits. Like you and your cuddle chum?
be obedient, you slimy albino cockroach.....sit, roll-over, play dead, wave your antennae...
You mean you view your own ass kissing as standing on your own merits! ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
...we agree on sex education. Yes.
Is the new govt planning to eliminate it fm schools?....that's not the correct question.....As I said, there is no Federal law which obliges all schools to include it in their curiculum. This debate's been ongoing for a nbr of years, however, in the absence of a clear directive, many schools, or rather teachers, would do what they wanted....many, who weren't qualified in sex education would teach (kids btwn 6-14) whatever 'they' thought convenient. More recently (2-3 yrs ago), some municipalities in a few States passed their own laws, prohibiting any teachings to do with sexual orientation.
In 2017 (if not mistaken) STF judge Barroso granted an injuction against the prohibition, declaring it unconstitutional, but it still needs to be ruled upon by the plenary of the Court. And even when it is (presumably in favour of sex education), the subject will have to be discussed exhaustively by the groups who claim to be representative of mainstream opinion, 'n in Congress. So at the moment I'd say it's a bit premature to ask if it will be banned.
As for political debate, ask the kids to come up with advantages 'n disadvantages for some particular policy,... ok, I get yr point, but at what age do you think kids will start to REALLY understand the ideological concepts of economic systems, to the point that they cannot be manipulated ? Other points you raised (pensions, shooting criminals etc) will depend largely on their country's reality. Basically, people need to be taught to enable them to understand things 'n think for themselves.
I used to read/listen to most of what prominent politicians said, liking them or not...how else would I know how they thought if I only listened to those who (officially) defended my points of view...'n even then, I didn't necessarily agree with all they had to say.
Brizola prez ? unlikely, did not have nat'l projection.
Examples: too many to list, but Celso Daniel's a good example.
Re sex education, it would be better to give teachers some direction. It's not like you can teach a 6 year old and a 14 year old the same things.
prohibiting any teachings to do with sexual orientation
We used to have a law like that. Pretty stupid, just leads to more ignorance and bullying. These people seem to imagine kids won't learn about sex in other - much worse - ways. Considering what kind of porn is easily available on the internet, I should think young people now have really fucked up ideas about sex. Kind of glad I grew up before the internet became so ubiquitous.
at what age do you think kids will start to REALLY understand the ideological concepts of economic systems
Quite old, 15 or 16 maybe? What age do kids finish school in Brazil? And even adults can be manipulated easily enough (project fear, tired of experts, we can have our cake and eat it, for example). The exact factors depend on the country, but the idea of trade-offs is universal, and kids should at least be able to understand that money has to come from somewhere. Definitely agree people need to be taught to think for themselves, but sadly with all the emphasis on exams schools often do the exact opposite.
I used to read/listen to most of what prominent politicians said
Guess I only pay much attention to the ones directly relevant to me. Plus you can find out the party's policies in their manifestos. But I wasn't too interested in politics until recently, and anyway none of the main parties really seem to fit what I believe, so it's not much of a choice.
Quite old, 15 or 16 maybe?.......basic schooling (pre-Univ) should be completed by 17, 18 years old....If they have had a solid education until then, chances are they won't be so easily brainwashed.....even adults can be manipulated easily enough.....they sure can, but I find that most who are, haven't studied very much, and don't really understand the whole picture....at times, you soon realize discussion is useless because their fundamental knowledge is inexistent.
...that money has to come from somewhere...Exactly. There is no such thing as a free meal. But many think their is.
I started to really take an interest in politics around 1963/4, when the political situation was impossible to ignore. I was not content to just read or listen to something superficially, I felt the need to ask questions, understand what was happening, and the possible consequences. Much like my desire to learn a bit about wine, to understand what was written on the label and what the bottle probably contained.
I can imagine that when you have only two or three main parties, with similar basic ideas but different approaches on how to implement them, it can lead to a bit of laziness to keep abreast of developments. Here, there was never a dull moment.
I found a website for expats which said education 15-18 isn't compulsory in Brazil. Explains why so many people are poorly educated, and fourteen is really too young to be learning this stuff.
most who are, haven't studied very much
Also true of my example, the Brexit voters. But I don't think it's that simple; in many cases it seemed people were just too lazy to inform themselves, and/or they preferred to believe what they *wanted* to be true - that there is such a thing as a free meal. It's important to remember that the cost/benefit equation can be different for various groups of people, but that's not the same as ignorance.
There is no such thing as a free meal.
Indeed. Neither hospitals nor prisons are free. Too many people vote for someone who promises lower taxes and higher spending.
I started to really take an interest in politics around 1963/4
Yeah, that's understandable. With such dramatic changes happening it must be impossible to ignore. The UK parties certainly aren't all the same, but they're not about to pull that kind of crazy shit. Besides that, I've only once lived in a swing seat, so it doesn't matter who I vote for anyway.
you're right, only fundamental schooling is obligatory here....so at abt 15, many are unqualified and looking for a job. The smarter ones carry on studying. Not easy, but many do.
...don't think it's that simple; in many cases it seemed people were just too lazy to inform themselves, and/or they preferred to believe what they *wanted* to be true....ok, but if people are just too lazy - when it comes down to a decision that is going to affect the rest of your life - I think it has a lot to do with the kind of education they had...or didn't have. They don't bother to analyze the pros 'n cons, or worse, aren't capable of...
But what are the prospects for March 29th ? from the viewpoint of an average working, taxpaying citizen like yourself ?
Politics here varies from one extreme to the other, so don't expect centered, responsible actions/reactions from all.......nevertheless, interesting and keeps you on your toes.
if people are just too lazy - when it comes down to a decision that is going to affect the rest of your life
They just don't seem to think anything affects them, even though it's demonstrably untrue. Unless you know something about it, you don't realise how intertwined our economy is with the EU. When they interviewed people on the news, they said 'it's your economy, not ours'. Fact is that some areas of the country have really been neglected and left behind, starting with Thatcher's reforms (and the only group trying to help them WAS the EU, but the people living there can't be bothered to learn that), but they're still dependent on the richer parts of the country. I suppose it does have something to do with education.
what are the prospects for March 29th
Oh my god, there's 23 days to go and we still have NO idea. Parliament won't vote for May's deal, but they won't agree on anything else either. Depending what they do, either almost nothing could change on March 29th or we could have a totally disorganised hard Brexit. Meaning tariffs, customs checks, hard border with Ireland, needing to apply in advance for a visa waiver just to cross the channel, all causing massive and ongoing supply chain disruption that will almost certainly cause a recession. Supermarkets and businesses have been stockpiling as much as possible, but it's a very temporary measure. They're predicting shortages of fresh fruit and vegetables, and worse medicines. I've got some backups in but the things likely to be affected are exactly the ones you can't store.
Longer term, the worst results might be the break up of the union. If we go ahead with a hard Brexit then Scotland will probably hold another independence vote in short order, and the effects on NI are going to be pretty disastrous. But if they did vote to rejoin Ireland, I can't see the unionists going quietly, which means more violence.
Keep on sucking, idiot. We know how much you love kissing your own ass.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
The issue that you and your fellow reactionaries suffer from is exactly the same, a complete lack of veracity.
So just cuddle up buttercup.
I wish I had a lower I.Q., maybe then I could enjoy your company.
Aha, I see the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
Sounds like Brexit will be a Brexshit. Probably the first time in your life you have no idea what might happen tomorrow or in 3 weeks...understandably, there are those who think it'll be good, others who are dead against it, and those who couldn't care less, each group with its own perception of the situation.
@Gollum, aka Terry
Heard you are going down to Curitiba....to relieve Lula's pressure.....good sucking !
I wish I had a lower I.Q.....don't worry, your wish was granted when you were hatched.
Thanks, Terry. You're a good little cockroach, always coming when called for and waving your antennae in the air. :D
I was going to say, I'm not average, any more than you are. But Brexit is having effects on me just from the uncertainty.
Everything is up in the air; we want to move to a bigger house but the market is really slow at the moment since people are waiting to see what happens. I'd prefer to wait too, but my partner is really keen to move. I'd like to plan a holiday in the summer, but with a hard Brexit flights are liable to be cancelled with no compensation. Travelling is going to be such a pain afterwards; while we were in the EU everything was easy with no bureacracy, but once we're out we have to worry about visas, international driver's licences, insurance etc. There's so many little things that will become harder, it's a massive step backwards and feels like adding insult to injury.
My own biggest fear is of both of us losing our jobs if the economy goes tits-up. Seems more risky now we are both working for the same company. I know several people who work in other EU countries, and they have more immediate worries. Even if allowed to stay, they are likely to lose a lot of rights and opportunities. I remember talking to a friend's younger cousin right after the vote: he had planned to move to Denmark, and now couldn't. He wasn't old enough to vote then, but he has to live with that decision a hell of a lot longer than the pensioners who chose it.
It makes me so angry that after all the crap we've gone through since the Financial Crisis, voters here decided to fuck with the economy again of their own free will. When are we going to be able to get on with things without some stupid crisis intervening?
It's a bummer when you have to put plans on hold and probably face losses due to something you can't control. Uncertainty always causes a bit of grief, especially if you've always been used to a relatively civilized social environment... only advice I can offer is to relax, as they say here, if there's no solution, then it's solved......but IF the worst happens, you'll eventually get used to all the red tape.
The irony of it all is that there are people who make a good living out of the crises they cause, i.e., politicians.....they are always guaranteed as long as they can pull the wool over people's eyes...
Yeah. We've suffered uncertainty before, but it's more galling when it's self inflicted. Eventually it should all be sorted out, with more or less damage, but either way there's going to be years of drama, changes and hassle. I just want it to be over.
The biggest irony here is that Cameron called the referendum, and he never expected or wanted it to pass. He really screwed up with the way he did things - having NO plan if people voted to leave - but it was pure incompetence. As for the big names in the Leave campaign, most of them were looking out for number one, alright. Some of them really believe in Brexit, but they weren't too honest about why, IMO. Talking about their libertarian paradise where the rich can do whatever they like, pay no taxes and screw the workers wouldn't get them quite so many votes.
C'est la vie.....
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Aha, two of the three amigos, whoopee. As the first hand 'suckee' your eyes must be permanently glazed by now.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Well you certainly are the complete appendage, JB must be very happy with your slavish devotion as a 'sucker'.
@DemonTree / @Jack Bauer / @Terence Hill
At least ONE thing very +ve about THE President - his TOTAL honesty - it's admiringly praiseworthy that he openly exhibited his choices & preferences:
yr link ...Bolsonaro has provoked controversy by posting an obscene video of two revelers at Carnival, saying he wanted to reveal the truth about the festival...shows two men engaging in sex acts on top of a taxi shelter during a street party
Just a carnival 'excess' ? nice euphemism for a couple of idiots, perched on a taxi shelter where everyone could see them, one wearing only a leaf to cover his nuts, and a string up his arse, bending over and patting his bare bum, indicating he wanted the other to shove his dick up his arse...after a few seconds of this, he lowered his head while his partner pulled out his prick 'n pissed on his head - he then proceeded to wash his long hair in the piss ...really constructive, educational ....don't you think ?
Bolsonaro said he felt uncomfortable at posting such sh*t, but only did so, to show the festival was being used by some to express their total lack of morals, and how public funds - 100s of millions - were being used...to promote 'excesses'...no one criticized the two idiots engaged in their little sex pantomime...of course, that was one of the high-points of the festival, but I don't see why my taxes should be used to promote that kind of shit....
The far-right leader suggested such scenes were becoming normal....by the number of tweets criticizing Bolsonaro, instead of the disgusting behaviour by the perverts, I'd say they are, people are becoming accustomed to the generalized lack of moral values..
If that's their idea of fun, good for them - but piss on each other in private, not in public.
The fact that many chose to criticize Bolsonaro, instead of what the idiots were doing in public, is just a sign of the times...
@Gollum, aka Terence Hill, don't worry I didn't forget about you....you would have had a field day, down on your knees and sucking on everything you could put your grubby little mouth on. You would've made Lula jealous.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
I didn't forget about you... Nor will you, as every time I decide I've had enough of your lying, I'm going to expose it. What you have to say about anything is of no consequence, as you're revealed as an unmitigated liar. Thus, you have absolutely no credibility.
REF: really constructive, educational:
Constructive, educational + the most fitting too; for a president himself to prove the signs of the changing of times!
you have put the fear of 'terry the turd' into me....and every time 'you' decide, you are going to 'expose it....really ?
What are you going to expose ? your tiny penis, and then suck it ?
And if What 'I' have to say about anything is of no consequence, why do you ALWAYS get your knickers in a twist ?
Gollum, sorry to break the bad news to you.... you are the only one on MP with no credibility.....ask around.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
you are the only one on MP with no credibility. I've proved your lack. If what you claim was true you would have shown. So yet again you are shown to be a liar as you not met your obligated BoP. Thus, “Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy; States of Affairs; First published Tue Mar 27, 2012
Philosophers connect sentences with various items, such as thoughts, facts and states of affairs. Thoughts are either true or false in an absolute sense, never both or neither.” plato.stanford.edu/entries/states-of-affairs/
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