MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentine foreign minister receives next of kin who returned from “our Malvinas”
“I imagine you have gone through moments of great emotion in the Islands, next to the graves with the 112 full names, which until now remained unidentified”, Argentine foreign minister Jorge Faurie was quoted in an official release, on receiving the delegation of next of kin, on their return trip from the Falkland Islands, Wednesday evening. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMalvinas HaHaHa some sort of joke
Mar 14th, 2019 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse +2Shame on you Fourie- you pathetic little man- trying to twist politics into a day that was personal and well above scum politics- all about common decency, humanity and respect.
Mar 14th, 2019 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse +6It is time to stop these visits, they are nothing more than political stunts. The Argentine fallen should be repatriated and all evidence of the cemetery “near ” Darwin removed.
Mar 14th, 2019 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse +4Mr. Timlander1...
Mar 14th, 2019 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -61) Every single aspect in human society is politics..., scum or othetwise...
2) The perception of those politics is dependent of the point of wiev of the beholder...
3) From my point of wiev..., I consider the Engrish shameful pathetic little political twist of placing an Engrish uniform between the mourning relatives..., quite unnecesary...
http://en.mercopress.com/data/cache/noticias/69159/0x0/1-2-visit-infobae.jpg
Argentina will never be a true democracy until it recognizes the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination.
Mar 14th, 2019 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +5@Think
Mar 14th, 2019 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +4You're not one of the mourning relatives, your view of the honour guard is not relevant.
I suppose it was politics that stopped them being identified for 30 years.
Think- You sure know how to insult a Scotsman!!
Mar 14th, 2019 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +6For info - It was and remains the Argentine Families Assocation who requested a British Forces presence at their service.
Had they not requested it - it would not have been there. Instead this year as last year - so many family relatives were appreciative of the British presence in such a formal and respective manner.
they also invited the British Brigadier as the Commander to be there to receive from them a similar Wreath for him to lay on their behalf at the British Military Cemetery in respect of the British Forces who lost their lives in 1982 and their families .
Oh - and the Argentine Families Commission also referred in their service to the 3 locals who lost their lives in 1982 as well.
Mr. Timlander....
Mar 14th, 2019 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Again..., everything dependens of the point of wiev of the beholder...
And it wouldn't be the first time during our conversations you depend more on your point of view than in real facts...
Your info that it is the “Argentine Families Assocation” who requests Engrish Forces presence at the service is one of those times...
Would you care to check that info an revert...???
I know for a fact though... that many of the relatives and the veterans aren't happy at all with the politics of seeing Engrish military boots tramping the ground or hearing Engrish military pipes filling the air of their cemetery...
Think- as one of those involved with planning for the larger 2018 visit I can assure you it WAS their advance request - and was repeated this time. There in person on both occasions and speaking to several families - heard words of appreciation only.
Mar 14th, 2019 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +6And I accept you cannot spell - but please at least don't continually insult the Scottish!
Mr. Timlander1...
Mar 14th, 2019 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Would you care to disclose the full..., real name of that “Argentine Families Assocation” you are referring to..., so I can do some checking of me own and revert...?
BTW...
I sincerely want to thank you for your great work...
Just don't over manicure the gardening of the place...
It is..., after all..., a Patagonian Argie cemetery..., capisce...?
Think- You know whom I mean!!In English they are:(their own words)
Mar 14th, 2019 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +5The Commission of Relatives of the Fallen in the South Atlantic Islands
in Spanish- their own words also.
Comision de Familiares de Caidos en Malvinas y Islas del Atlantico Sur
Mr. Timlander1...
Mar 14th, 2019 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Just wanted to be sure...
As you surely know..., there are more than one...
To be on the clear..., what you are saying is that Maria Fernanda herself (or the board...) requested in written the presence of an armed Engrish military guard on the cemetery during the ceremony... right...?
Thank you Islander 1, that's more information than I've been able to get out of the FIG. I hadn't heard of the gun salute & pipes before. Is that new or has it featured before? Just for the record.
Mar 14th, 2019 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“The Commission of Relatives of the Fallen in the South Atlantic Islands”
Mar 14th, 2019 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +3That's unusually tactful. Unlike Jorge Faurie. Do ministers in Argentina refer to 'our Mendoza', 'our Tierra del Fuego', 'our Misiones'?
Also, TIL Think believes kilts and bagpipes are English. And he claims to have visited Scotland!
Where did I claim that kilts and bagpipes are English..., boy...?
Mar 15th, 2019 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse -3Think- When you can spell - I might tell you! But the lady herself and several of her Board were here both times.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse +4Roger- No actual gunfire salute- but a dignified and smart British Forces tribute to fellow fallen soldiers. All our reports back show much appreciated by the families,
BUT - Islander 1, what had been approved? If the FIG had declined to permit flags or badges, how come they approved a piper? Or were they not given the opportunity? Has a piper been employed before? The one thing I know is that once you set a precedent, they'll want more.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse +1Despite our naive Ambassador's thoughts, everything is political.
Mr.Timlander1...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse -2You “may” tell me when I learn to spell....huhhhh...???
What a wonderful *“political”* way of dodging me inconvenient question..., laddie...!
Anyhow..., only a one eyed pure Engrishman (a la Horatio Nelson...) could have the Chutzpah of claiming that an Engrish show of force..., with parading armed soldiers of the very same Engrish regiment that killed many of the buried..., marching besides their tombs..., could be...: ***“appreciated by the mourning Argie families”***...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/infobae-wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/13204931/Islas-Malvinas-Cementerio-Darwin-13-03-19-64.jpg
As we say in Patagonia Mr. Timlander1...
A otro perro con ese hueso...
@Think
Mar 15th, 2019 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse +2In youl plevious posts above.
See, you can spell correctly when you try. ;)
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse -3Two different words..., two different spellings..., two different meanings..., laddie...
You do realise the point of language is to communicate? The meanings of words are defined by consensus, if you invent your own and don't tell anyone what you mean, you're just wasting your time.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse +2Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Been there...,done that..., got the T-shirt..., lad...
Not your fault though... If they didn't teach you Engrish history at school..., how can we pretend you to know what the word “Engrish” means in ~2/3 of the planet...
Boy, Lad, know your place, grovel and fawn....
Mar 15th, 2019 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The only thing the word 'Engrish' means in 2/3 of the planet is 'I can't spell correctly'.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@TV
Yeah, but what can I do about it?
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Lots of Engrish haugtiness mixed with a humongous tad of Engrish ignorance...
A classic cocktail... Well done lads...
If you make shit up and refuse to explain what you mean, you must expect other people to be ignorant.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What about you focusing on the fact that you Engrish do parade in front of grieving octogenarian Argentinean peasant mothers visiting their sons graves for the first time... your dead-faced armed soldiers of the very same regiment that quite probably killed their little boys...........???
Instead of focusing about me semantics..., which I have repeteadly explained in here repeatedly during the years.......!!!
As a matter of fact it never ceases to amuse me how you Engrishman only take the side of the Jocks..., Paddies &Taffies in here when it is functional for critizising them foreigners that couldn't care less about your Ex- Imperial Union Flag Lot subdivisions....
Capisce...?
@Think
Mar 15th, 2019 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You've been told by someone who was there that the relatives commission requested the guard. Maybe some of the mourners didn't agree; people aren't all the same. But you've got no knowledge or authority to speak for any of them, let alone all, and no call to insult our soldiers simply for being there as they were asked, or to imply bad motives for their presence.
I have taken the side of 'Jocks, Paddies &Taffies' against other English posters in the past, but you were too set in your views to notice.
No, boy...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -21) I've been told by a Kelper who was there..., that the relatives commission requested such guard...., a statement I don't believe for one second and which he..., after closer scrutiny on my part..., conviniently refused to clarify on grounds of my “fawlty Engrish spelling”...
2) I have enough knowledge and experience about the Malvinas issue to smell an Anglo porkie from afar...
And that is..., to the best of my knowledge...,what this “Argentinean request for an Engrish Miltary Guard” is...
Expecting confirmation from the Comisión de Familiares de Caidos.............
3) I didn't insult no soldiers..., lad....
If you are referring to my “Dead-Faced” bit..., I can tell you that in any elite honour guard in the world..., be it the Corazzieri..., Hans Majestet Kongens Garde..., the Granaderos a Caballo or the Scots Guards... we train very hard to get one...
Capisce...
Twinkle, why dont you come next time and explain your feelings to our soldiers. After all your poor boys were invaders and unfortunately they became cannon fodder because of the stupid attitude of beligerant uninformed morons like yourself. You, and people like you were responsible for their deaths and the pain and suffering of their poor relatives. And whats more you still believe in fairy tales you were brainwashed with as a child!
Mar 15th, 2019 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Our soldiers are there to remember the fallen ones and showing full military respect to them and their relatives at their relatives representatives request. Whats more the visitors were treated with kindness and respect which is more than can be said of you and your rock throwing, tyre burning bunch of loser morons. With attitudes like yours there will never be peace and friendship between our countries which is all most reasonable people on both sides want.
Mr. DemonTree..
Mar 15th, 2019 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I forgot in me previous post...:
.................................................... and I definitively..., without the shadow of a doubt..., unequivocally imply political motives for the presence of Engrish Armed Guards at the ceremony..., lad
Well Twinkle what do you expect in a military cemetry for invaders on British Sovereign Territory.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1There wouldnt even be any cemetry if it wasnt for twats like yourself. No apologies on our part necessary.
You did say you lived in Dinosaur territory...
@Think
Mar 15th, 2019 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I'll trust someone who was there over someone who wasn't. You see what you want to see, what fits your agenda, not to mention claiming to know other people's feelings that you've never met. I've seen enough interviews with soldiers to believe they generally respect their former enemies, unlike either you or the average Kelper.
As for your 'Engrish', if it applies to kilt-wearing, bagpipe playing Scotsmen as you imply, then you're claiming they don't take their own side. Ridiculous.
I don't go around correcting every foreigner who says 'English' instead of 'British', but you know better.
TWIMC...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I very..., very much doubt that if the ~400 British servicemen that lost their life in Afghanistan were buried there..., their visiting grieving relatives would ever “request” from the Afghan government a guard of armed Talibans...
Twinkle, those young men are burried there because knobs like you put them there. Feel ashamed. Taliban are terrorists, they dont do honour guards as you are well aware.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The Taliban are terrorists, Think. They don't have any honour. I've heard British servicemen say they respected the Argentine soldiers; I've never heard one say he respects the Taliban. They won't be going to Afghanistan in 20 years' time to shake hands with their former enemies.
Mar 15th, 2019 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hold your horses you short-memoried Anglos...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Are you foul mouthing the young Afghani Talibans...?
The Madras educated sons of the glorious Afghani Mujahideen...
The “Freedom Fighters” financed by the Anglosphere for more than a decade...?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
Any of you lads ever watched RAMBO III...?
A real eyeopening movie...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Twinkle is reminding us the Yanks initially trained up the Taliban.. and bin Laden...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Argies 90% nice people, 10% ignorant knobs like Twinkle
So? Didn't the US government also fund and train your Junta?
Mar 15th, 2019 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Nope...
Mar 15th, 2019 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The US government trained our juntasessss...
Our juntasessss funded the US government...
They were goooooooooooooooood dogs...
Wooooof..., wooooof..., woooofiliwooof...
Funded it how?
Mar 15th, 2019 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Good dogs like Guaidó?
As the day wears on and the bottle empties the knob gets more and more incoherent....
Mar 15th, 2019 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Like Guaidó...?
Mar 15th, 2019 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Goooooooood boy...
You are on the right track...
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/sites/default/files/content-images/08594.jpg
What Piper...?
Mar 16th, 2019 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse +2Ain't no piper in any of those pics...I can assure you...
You are..., as usual..., very much right Mr. Voice...!
Mar 16th, 2019 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse -2No piper picks to be found nowhere this particular time...:-(
One wouldn't Think a serious guy like him would forget 'em, would one...?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/infobae-wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/13204908/Islas-Malvinas-Cementerio-Darwin-13-03-19-53.jpg
Voice - leaping in where others fear to tread https://www.facebook.com/fabian.turcato/videos/10219616243340804/?fref=gs&dti=326953933989277&hc_location=group
Mar 16th, 2019 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse +1And I'm still none the wiser as to what had actually been authorised by the FIG.
Mr. Voice...
Mar 16th, 2019 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse -2About the Piper's Lament reportedly played at the latest remembrance ceremony in Malvinas...
Sadly the link kindly provided by Mr. Lorton ain't working for this humble Patagonian technolliterate...
But I Think that Flowers of the Forest wouldn't have reached its appropriate darkness if played on an Argie charango...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rfsasAlICo8
Think- you will need to ask the Commission direct re the British Military presecemce. A a member of the organising/liason group at this end I can assure you the question went from here up to B.A before the main March 2018 visit - Would you or would you not like an honour guard prescence- and the answer came back - to the very firm affirmative. And for this year the request we received was that they would like a similar service aand arrangements to last year.
Mar 16th, 2019 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse +3Naturally down here I do not know the exact words that went between Br m,bassy and Commission and back - but it was requested.
Roger- the Flag presence was advised to us at one of these sessions -A flag prescence- done appropriately- is permissible and is laid down in the code issued by the Families Commission - so long as it is done in an appropriate respectfull manner and not to offend any islanders.
In Hindsight what happened was our side had not realised nor thought they would have one that was low- yes - but about 20 feet long! If another such visit were to happen I can assure you they will be told it must only be a normal sized one and only open for a few minutes not 30 odd and perhaps done among the graves not up above them by the main cross.
I am used to the occasional small visiting group respectfully placing a smaller one over the respective grave or cross or holding low alongside it for a few mins while they take a photo for family back home. Had completely overlooked that an organised group of 150 would have brought a much larger one!
The event has been blown out of proportion by the appalling antics of a group of Argentines who are visiting the Islands for a week at the same time. They are the ones who are to thick to realise that their actions are likely to jeopardise future visits by the families Commission.
Think - apologies, the link was from a group that has its settings to private. I have sent a request to the originator for a usable link.
Mar 16th, 2019 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse +3Islander 1 - Thank you. My issue remains that if (and I have been told no flag) the FIG is only approving a small flag, did they get the opportunity to approve a military guard and a piper? If this has happened before then I have not seen it reported. So who approved what - the FCO, the FIG or MPA? The danger is that a precedent just got set. It'll be a band next.
I get it...
Mar 16th, 2019 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse +1They wave their flag....
Islanders respond by inflicting the bagpipes upon them!
Touché
LOL!
Mr. Timlander1...
Mar 16th, 2019 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse -1Now we are talking...!!!
The Prima Facie info I have is that the “Comisión de Familiares” DID NOT REQUEST any sort of British military guard...
- I don't doubt for a second though..., your NEW AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INFO about our present administration..., composed mostly of Ex-Alumni of the elitist Cardinal Newman Engrish College for Boys..., frothingly accepting the offering of their idolatred British Foreign & Colonial Office of an “honour guard prescence”...
They desperately want to do BUSINESS with them Engrish..., you know...?
Unfortunately for them the only ones wanting to do business with them..., are the Chinks...
Once again... thanks for your valuable work (and your sincere clarification)
You..., old school Kelpers..., always were straight Patagonian stock...
Mr. Lorton...
Me dear Brummie ex-copper...
Thanks... Look forward to seeing it... Contrary to the fallen families and veterans..., I luuuuuv bagpipes...
- Maybe now..., after reading Mr.Timlander1's above..., you will realize that the military guard and the piper were the original brainchild of your very own Foreign & Colonial Office..., ergo..., not need nor chance for the BOT's local FIG(leaf) to approve nothing...
Think - sorry for the delay, apparently they actually sleep in Canada.
Mar 16th, 2019 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1https://www.facebook.com/fabian.turcato/videos/10219623065951365/
Hopefully that'll be better.
As for who authorised what ................ it's gone quiet. Again.
Its hilarious that some folk Think they can gave a serious discussion with know it all Twinkle...you cant. Remember, he's the sort of twerp that put these poor conscripts in the ground in the first place.
Mar 16th, 2019 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Now for the Picts...
No sweat..., Mr. Lorton...
Mar 16th, 2019 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Is not like me waiting some hours to watch the Lament will in any way influence the timely return of the Malvinas to their proper Country...
(One can see Mr. Millers “green fingers” already..., btw...)
***“Gone quite again”***...., huhhhhhhh...? Surprised about that...?
Them FCO lads ain't ever been no easy dancing partners...;-)
well Think- all I can say is that if what you say is true- then the Families Commission LIED to somebody one one side! I was there and yes - they were asked before- did they want a British Military Prescence or not- the reply came back from the Commission -a strong Yes - which did surprise us a bit I must admit,. And on both days there last year and this those present that I spoke to WERE appreciative of the decency and respect paid to the Argentine fallen by the British Forces Honour Guard. And on BOTH occasions they requested the prescence of the British Commander so they could make a presentation to him- for the British Cemetery - last year one of the metal “peace roses” and this year a large floral wreath identical to the one laid at their Cemetery. Now - please explain how would they have done that without said British Commander being there in uniform?
Mar 16th, 2019 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The diry guy of the day was your little Fourie- our politiciamns had the decency to stay away and keep out of it all - as it WAS the NOK Families Day - not your little twerp though - he just had to get in on the act and put in a political twist when they arrived back at B.A Airport.
Yes I do tell the truth that I know- always have done, its the best way. I suspect you do as well just that sometimes one is fed a porky for whatever reason - and needs to think it out a bit first at times.
Roger, the permission for a flag-discreetly- is there at the cemetery- unfortunately it was ABUSED this time by someone at/near the top on their side, in the size produced and the time it was held there.
That will NOT be allowed to happen again if any similar such visit- albeit smaller - happens in future.
Islander 1 - thank you. I was not aware that permission had been granted for flags at the cemetery. Can I assume that there is some kind of notice regarding it and - yes I know I'm being a pain - could you give me the wording at some time. For the record as it were. I'll also then flag it up on other pages and let our people know.
Mar 16th, 2019 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1But I'm way past the flag. We seem to have ended up with with an honour guard, a Piper and a bloke on a trumpet. I assume that there is no notice permitting those, so my question is quite simple. Who authorised them?
Mr. Timlander1...
Mar 16th, 2019 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Correct me if I'm wrong...
You said above that...: A question went from YOUR SIDE up to BUENOS AIRES before the main March 2018 visit...The question was...: Would you or would you not like an honour guard prescence- and the answer came back - to the very firm affirmative...
My points are...:
1) WHICH OFFICIAL BRITISH INSTANCE made the “generous” offer of an honour guard to WHICH OFFICIAL ARGENTINEAN INSTANCE...? DOCUMENTATION...?
2) I repeat from above..., the Prima Facie info I have is that the “Comisión de Familiares” DID NOT REQUEST any sort of honour guard as you asseverated at the beginning...
In the best of cases they seemed to have accepted a Fait Accompli..., pressed on them by two Foreign Offices... As an old Kelper geezer you most certainly know the feeling...
3) That the “Comisión de Familiares” requested the prescence of the British Commander so they could make a presentation to him- for the British Cemetery - seems the civilized thing to do... I asume the British Commander met them in his gala uniform without any added Glock 17 and SA80...
4) Once again..., I repeat me (abridged and softened) point from above...:
My point is that it was an uneccessary political stunt to parade in front of grieving octogenarian Argentinean peasant mothers visiting their sons graves for the first time... your ARMED soldiers from the very regiment that most probably killed their little boys...
Have a nice Sunday...
El Think
Mr. Think...no flowers of the forest from that crewe...
Mar 17th, 2019 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am surprised that he played the Skye boat song it has no place for fallen soldiers of any nationality, except perhaps Jacobites...in the later Bonny Prince version...
I have played the Flowers of the Forest for the deceased a few times and also Dark Island, but never the Skye Boat song... it's too frivolous...
This is Dark Island...in case you are unfamiliar with it....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDMtspVZ_jE
Think- As your side still refuses to recognise we people exist at all- my family has been here since mid 1840s but apparently I at 6 generations am still an implant- we are unable to talk to them direct as they refuse to take or make the call.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse +2All communication has to go from here to Br.Embassy in B.A.- to them - and then the same route in reverse.From Stanley to Br Embassy it was all done by live video - not emails sent by beaurocrats.
There both days and spoke with families both times and never heard a word against the respectfull small British Honour Guard at all, indeed the opposite- gratitude for their presence in the way it was done- soldiers of today honouring fallen soldiers of yesterday- (regardless of which side).
I respect and thankyou for implying that as an Islander I am unlikely to lie- I do not- and if what I experienced is different from the “spin” some of the Arg,press put on the day - sorry I cannot help what they say!
Scottish Regiment in 1982 was the Scots Guards- 2018 was a Highland regiment, 2019 a lowland and borders regiment. Dont forget quite a few of those young conscripts ended up being tortured and shot by their own officers- not the British, and many of those mothers owe the names on the graves today not just to the excellent work of the ICRC- but also to the meticulous and respectfull burial records made by the British in late 1982.
Am I asking the hard questions?
Mar 17th, 2019 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1Someone/s must have made the decisions. Or are we talking a committee - and we've ended up with the proverbial camel?
Mr. Ambassador is sticking to his guns that it is all 'humanitarian'. Clearly Jorge Faurie's welcoming committee were not so naive.
Where is this “Our Malvinas” I only know of one Isla Malvinas and that is in Chile. If they are referring to “The Falklands” well British boots can trample around wherever they want to on British territory. The Argentine Cemetery is just that a cemetery it is not a sovereign piece of land ceded to Argentina. Their fallen lay in British soil only with British permission and goodwill.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 07:14 am - Link - Report abuse +2Mr. Voice...
Mar 17th, 2019 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse -3Thanks for your expert musical coaching and the superbly executed “Dark Island” link...
Nothing wrong with being a Jacobite though...
(BTW..., isn't that kind of a white cockade on the bearskin of the chap I linked above...? ;-)
Mr. Timlander1...
1) Not being recognized is a direct consecuence of the 1833 Imperial Engrish agression against a newborn Nation with whom the imperial Engrish Crown had signed a (worthless..., as it was later shown)...“Treaty of Friendship”...
Grossly exacerbated..., some ten years ago..., by that shameless Engrish South Atlantic Pirate Oil Adventure of yours...
An Engrish Pirate Adventure... I am happy to see..., inexorably naufragating as we speak...
2) As I said in the beginning of this thread... My point of wiew is that..., if inevitable..., an unobtrusive..., unarmed..., non marching..., disceet pair of quilted guards of honour would have sufficed...
- That highland goose marching..., assault rifle brandishing demonstration of power was an unnecessary political signal against a bunch of auld moms...
Else..., a well driven ceremony...
Congrats....
The ejection of trespassers warned twice - 1829 & 1832 - is merely a police action Think, not 'aggression.' BA was warned to stay off. BA should have listened. As for the Treaty of Friendship, we were friendly .... right up until you tried to nick our islands. Hardly a friendly act by BA. And I say BA advisedly, as the Chamber of Deputies (1879) and the Senate (1882) seems to have distanced Argentina from the whole sorry enterprise.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse +2And I still don't know who decided what for last week.
Rodge...
Mar 17th, 2019 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse -2You “still don't know who decided what for last week”..., you say...
Just ask yourself who decides over them piping, quilted, gun toting Engrish honur guards..., I say...
The Has Hannover Crown...?
The F.C.O....?
The MoD...?
The FIG (leaf)...?
The Argie Ministerio de Relacones Exteriores...?
The Comisión de Familiares de Caídos en Malvinas e Islas del Atlántico Sur...?
Simples...
@RL
Mar 17th, 2019 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so worried about who authorised what?
You are discussing this sensitive subject with one of the morons that put these poor Argie souls in their graves as well as many of our countrymen. Symbolism means more to these idiots than peoples homes and lives. As you can gather reading the drivel that gushes from his lips Think and those like him are the enemy with whom there is no possibility whatsoever of peace and friendship however hard we try.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Can assure you ALL decisions re Honour Guard, Pipers and on site logistics and support 100% made in Falklands - once we knew what Arg Families Assn did and did not want us to do. FI provided security to site to ensure ONLY those pre. cleared by FG.Commission were allowed on site. Final plans and times agreed by both sides.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Apart from our subsequent view of the size of flag and time it was visible that day- all agreed it was a fulfilling and rewarding day - albeit a sad one- for those families.
THEY are the people the day was for - not some pathetic point scoring.
I agree - lets leave it at that
............................................... ok...
Mar 17th, 2019 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I'm not attempting to score points Islander 1, I'm attempting to understand the process. If you assure me that the decisions were FIG approved then I shall be a happy man.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I'm not much of one for letting sleeping dogs lie. It's that old Copper in me.
TWIMC...
Mar 17th, 2019 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Allow me to analyze the contradiction in the above old English/Thai Coppers comment...
He's not much of one for letting sleeping dogs lie... It's that old English Copper in him..., he says...
But...
If an Englishman/Kelper he doesn't know..., who resides some 15,000km away from him..., simply “assures” him of something via Internet..., he shall be a happy man....!
I knew them English flatfoots where trusting...
But this one is exaggerating...
Don't you Think...?
Roger,
Mar 17th, 2019 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes that is how it was. By FIG, I would define it as a group of those involved hands on this end- NOT Politicians- they kept out of it.- but included as hands on involved- Immigration-Civil aviation- MOD & RAF for airport ops and forces prescence- all those Govt and non Govt involved in the logistics support this end but that included Govt House who kept Gilbert Gouse(Assembly) up to date.
Flag- yes was advised to us(and is allowable in there in respectful, manner only) but we never imagined such a big one etc! One is wiser after the event at times! But NO flag ever flies over that cemetery.
Different at San Carlos of course- their the Union Flag flies over those lads as they are British and lie in British soil.
Islander 1, again thank you.
Mar 17th, 2019 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I get the impression that is that there is a separate grouping/committee that organises the process of these visits probably under the auspices of Government House. Keeping the MLA's informed is not the same as them having the power to decide or approve.
The large flag and the political theatre of Argentina's Foreign Minister greeting the relatives on their return tend to support my view that their is a large political element to these events. Neither of those were 'humanitarian' and someone provided that flag to make a point.
I don't believe that you should keep the politicians out of it. In a supposed democracy it is not advisable for the representatives to point at the Governor and say “nothing to do with us” as they'll be the ones to take the flack from the disenchanted citizenry.
I still don't know whether an Honour Guard and Piper have been a feature of previous events. Perhaps they were offered and rejected. Perhaps not. Time tends to provide the information I am looking for and I know that Islanders also have questions about the organisation of this last event. That said, they don't believe they'll easily be given any answers. That the process is not open will tend to cause suspicions and more problems than it is worth IMHO.
I'll watch with interest.
Think. Trusting? Why not? I do not believe that Islander 1 will lie to me. He'll choose his words carefully of course, but then so should we all.
Rodge...
Mar 18th, 2019 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse -2***“Trusting? Why not?”***... you ask...
Because Coppers and Historical Timelines Compilators must be all other than “Trusting”...
Policework based on trust result is bad policework...
Historical Line Compilation based on trust result is a Pseudo Hisorical Timelines...
Specially if your trust is almost 100% concentrated on pale Anglosaxon Englishmen...
Capisce...?
Life not going well Think?
Mar 18th, 2019 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Besides a bit of toothache..., all fine down here..., Rodge...
Mar 18th, 2019 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What about you...?
Still beig kept prisoner in rural Thailand...?
Just blink twice if you wish to be rescued... ;-)
LOL
Mar 18th, 2019 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Well, I've finally had it confirmed, and Nancy is not a source to be easily denied, that there was a Piper and Honour Guard last year. So, this year was repeat. All good so far.
Now if I could just figure out who is making the decisions I'll have cracked it.
Rodge...
Mar 18th, 2019 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You could have asked me..., laddie...!
I don't know Ms.Nancy personally.., but I do know Lady BeeBeeCee and Mme. U2be...
They have a laaaarge collection of videos from Darwin Cemetery on the 27 March 2018...
This one..., for example... ( min. 01:35)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AnoqqeyrgX4
Try now to figure out who is in charge of the Foreign Affairs of the South Atlantic BOT's...,and you'll have cracked it...:-)))
It is a little like pulling teeth Think (sorry, no idea why that analogy came to mind).
Mar 18th, 2019 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Seems that there is a Committee. I have asked who is on said Committee but there has been no response so far. It has taken me days just to get confirmation that the arrangements were generally the same as last year - large flag & trumpeter excepted obviously. May take a while to find out about this committee. What I really want to know, of course, is 1) who does the committee answer to and 2) where does the Legislative Assembly come into this.
I quite like the idea - naive I know - of governments actually governing. Not committees or other quangos. Particularly if they do not answer to government.
Not sure if I'm old-fashioned or ahead of my time.
;-)
Rodge...
Mar 19th, 2019 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0At me age it ain't much pulling..., just falling... :-(
My uneducated guess of who the committee does answer to would be Foxtrot Charlie Oscar...
Not sure if I'm old-fashioned or ahead of my time neither... ;-)
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