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New York’s Museum of Natural History said it was “considering its options” after discovering a private function booked to take place there would honour Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro. Read full article

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  • :o))

    They certainly woke-up VERY EARLY!

    Apr 14th, 2019 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Typical liberal bullshite because Bolsonaro is a conservative.

    Apr 14th, 2019 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the flamer
    “Typical liberal” Yeah democracy at work.
    Bill de Blasio calls Brazil’s president a ‘dangerous human being’
    “This guy is a very dangerous human being,” the mayor concluded. “I would certainly urge the museum not to allow him to be hosted there.”
    The museum received $8.6 million in city funding last year and sits on prime public land on Central Park West.
    https://nypost.com/2019/04/12/bill-de-blasio-calls-brazils-president-a-dangerous-human-being/

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Chicureo,

    You are correct. Manhattanites are politically intolerant nasty extremists.

    They have a rabid hatred of other political views.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    bushpilot
    “You are correct” The only extremist, as named in main press is Bolsonaro. So the only thing you have proved is that like Bolsonaro, you must also be an extreamist, not Bill de Blasio as he appears totally rational. Thanks for your revealing statement.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    So what? ANYONE can make mistakes!

    https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/CAMINH%C3%83O-DIESEL-2.jpg?resize=768%2C768&ssl=1

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    It is pretty ironic to honour the man who wants to chop down the Amazon inside the museum of natural history. Being a conservative used to include caring about/for the land and nature, I wonder why that changed?

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • :o))

    @DemonTree


    REF: It is pretty ironic

    IT REALLY IS:
    https://oilprice.com/Finance/investing-and-trading-reports/Is-The-Worlds-Most-Indebted-Oil-Company-About-To-Be-Privatized.html

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    The island of Manhattan is rather deforested also. Does this mean the Museum of Natural History can't allow de Blasio entry either? Is de Blasio trying to save the Manhattan forests?

    Chicureo said a move to bar entry would have much to do with Manhattan's brand of radical liberalism. I told Chicureo he is correct. Which he is.

    Radicals don't like people of other political views. This is silencing of other political views.
    That Bolsonaro praises Trump has nothing to do with this, right?

    Manhattanites are nasty, rude, intolerant liberals. That too, is just correct.

    That is not a prejudice, it is just accurate.

    DT,

    It is wise and logical for any human to care about land, and nature, and this planet, their only home in this universe.

    When did conservatives in the U.S. ever promote stewardship and nature in one of their campaigns? If this used to be a part of conservative thinking, I am completely ignorant of that time.

    Argumentation Theory:
    I don't like Bolsonaro = he is the real extremist
    Which “proves” - Bushpilot = extremist too.

    I like liberalism/de Blasio is liberal = de Blasio is a very rational person.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    bushpilot
    “much to do with Manhattan's brand of radical liberalism” Hardly it probably has much more to do with Bolsonaro's own spectacular intolerances. As it seems entirely rational not to roll out the welcome mat from a public supported facility who's aims he is has stated he is totally apposed to. Why be tolerant be of the intolerant? Seems on a par with the equitable precedent that one should “not benefit from their own wrongdoing.” Thus intolerance of the intolerant seems a perfectly fair response.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    No, you are wrong. It has to do with Manhattan's politics and their intolerance of any other political views but their own.

    Views contrary to my own = spectacular intolerance and danger.

    Which is a convenient justification for silencing all political views but our own.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ :o))
    “Castello Branco spent 15 years as the director of Brazilian mining company Vale, from 1999 to 2014.”

    That's the company whose dams have been collapsing and killing people.... and now he's in charge of Petrobras.

    @Bushpilot
    “Manhattanites are nasty, rude, intolerant liberals.”

    That is certainly prejudice, just as much as saying Arkansans are ignorant hicks, or Trump supporters are all racists. None of them are true.

    And Nixon created the Environment Protection Agency in the US. I believe he was a conservative?

    I suggest you ignore anything Terry says about Argumentation theory. He merely cuts and pastes what others have said without understanding it.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    The current mayor is a liberal idiot that is responsible for the current deterioration on a truly great city. Bloomberg, the former mayor was a Democrat, but generally did a great job running the city. Both bushpilot and I agree that the same idiots that are revulsed by Trump, can't stand Bolsonaro.

    If anyone truly cared about the the Amazon, where were they during the past 20 years during the horrible administration by the Worker's Party (PT) control?

    Thankfully, Lula remains rotting in prison, where he deserves to be...

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    bushpilot
    “It has to do with Manhattan's politics” claiming something isn't proof, which is solely your burden, not mine to disprove.
    Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) it.
    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “I suggest you ignore anything” Again, Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) it.
    Is solely reflection of your attachment to your cuddle buddy, who I have revealed as unmitigated liar. Which you have been unable to restore his discredited character.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    DT,

    Nixon was a Democrat, wasn't he?

    Chicureo,

    Bloomberg is now a Democrat, again, but 1st won the mayoralty in NYC as a Republican, then switched to Independent. He has considered running for President as an Independent in 2016, but declined. Maybe because a powerful personality like that would have split the Democratic party like Perot did to the Republicans in 1992 and assured a Trump victory. He says he won't run in 2020, but me thinks he is cunning and he will. He is worth a hugely successful 50 billion dollars (incredibly capable).

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    “Radicals don't like people of other political views.”

    “Both bushpilot and I agree that the same idiots that are revulsed by Trump, can't stand Bolsonaro.”

    So Bushpilot and Chicureo are radicals?

    @Bushpilot
    Yes, just like Trump. Clinton lost for being too conservative; Americans were tired of the status quo and wanted radical change.

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    The American Museum of Natural History Will No Longer Host a Gala Honoring Brazil’s Far-Right President Jair Bolsonaro
    Museum staffers had issued an open letter calling on the museum's president “to stay true to its values by canceling this event.”
    Taylor Dafoe, April 15, 2019
    UPDATE: This article has been updated to reflect the museum’s decision to cancel the event.
    After widespread outcry, the American Museum of Natural History has canceled plans to host a private gala honoring Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro. The Brazilian-American Chamber of Commerce had rented out the museum’s Milstein Hall of Ocean Life for its event, where it plans to name Bolsonaro, who has a stark anti-environment record, “person of the year.”
    “With mutual respect for the work and goals of our individual organizations, we have jointly agreed that the Museum is not the optimal location for the Brazilian-American Chamber of Commerce gala dinner,” the museum said in a joint statement with the chamber of commerce.
    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/natural-history-museum-employees-protest-bolsonaro-1517281

    Apr 15th, 2019 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Closing down other political views is anti-free speech.

    The Museum is non-governmental but should have defended free-speech. De Blasio is of the government.

    He violated a group's right to assembly, and their right to free-speech.

    He made it sound so legitimate too. He was uncomfortable with tax-payer supported institutions promoting views that his government, and his electorate, didn't want promoted.

    Sounds good, but it is unconstitutional. De Blasio quashed assembly, and he quashed free speech.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    In the end, liberals rear truly care about the environment have accomplished nothing good for their cause. Truly stupid people.

    Hey Gollum.... Meanwhile Lula deservedly rots in a prison cell.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    bushpilot
    “Closing down other political views” He is free to express his views, perhaps at the Chamber of Commerce. But not in a public facility like the American Museum of Natural History, when he has a stark anti-environment record. Which is the antithesis of the views of the electorate of NYC.
    “The Museum is non-governmental but should have defended free-speech. ”The museum received $8.6 million in city funding last year and sits on prime public land on Central Park West.”
    https://nypost.com/2019/04/12/bill-de-blasio-calls-brazils-president-a-dangerous-human-being/

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Our Right to Free Speech means the majority, and its government, are not allowed to curtail free speech or free assembly of a minority.

    This sentence of yours,

    “Which is the antithesis of the views of the electorate of NYC”, does not supercede free expression of a minority view.

    The government is supposed to protect the constitution and its included rights to free speech and free assembly, not make arguments for their suppression.

    I thought the Museum of Natural History was non-governmental, but you are arguing that it is a public facility, making it governmental.

    If so, they, along with De Blasio, are acting contrary to constitutionally protected rights.

    So, if a majority (the electorate) don't want a group to speak on public ground, because they don't like that group's views, they are within their rights to send them somewhere else? They are not.

    Liberals even think that they have the right to damage private property in the name of free speech (civic disobedience). Liberals think those private landowners don't have a right to send them somewhere else.

    The U.S. constitution is the ultimate law of the land, even for the NYC electorate.

    He has a “stark anti-environment record”. Those are his political views and ones that this group apparently admire.

    New York City is “good” for the environment?

    If there is anything public about that place, that group's right to assembly was violated.

    Liberalism is more authoritarian than it is concerned about human rights. Only liberal views have rights. They call other views a “micro-aggression”, which sounds fancy enough for them to suppress expression of those views. Just like authoritarian China does.

    That the public land is “prime” land has zero relevance.

    It is not only views that you agree with that have the right to be expressed.

    As a liberal, and one who defends suppression of other politics, but opposes suppression of your own politics, I expect you will disagree with that last sentence.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Nobody's closing down other political views. If Bolsonaro's supporters want to stand outside the museum and protest no one's going to stop them (except US immigration if they don't have visas).

    What's a micro-aggression, Bushpilot? Is it saying 'flyover country' and implying Trump supporters might be racist?

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the flamer
    “Lula deservedly ... in a prison cell”. In your incredible personal opinion, whereas here is credible opinion.
    “Yet crucially, there is no evidence that Lula either owned or lived in the triplex at any point.... no evidence that directly implicated Lula in a quid pro quo with OAS. ...it is reasonable to infer that he was aware and complicit. This is, needless to say, not sufficient evidence to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. And indeed, according to several analysts, no European or American court would have ruled to convict based on the evidence presented”
    http://www.brownpoliticalreview.org/2018/03/brazils-democratic-woes-anti-elitism-reemergence-illiberalism/
    Here you go dummy.
    “The short answer is yes—there is a clear, predictable and causal link between low intelligence and prejudice, including racism.
    ...Studies have found, for example, that children with poor mental skills grow up to be strongly right-wing adults..... Lower childhood intelligence clearly predicts right-wing ideology and attitude, which in turn predicts prejudice in adulthood.”
    https://www. psychologicalscience.org/news/were-only-human/is-racism-just-a-form-of-stupidity.html
    Careful, your exceeding your obviously meagre limitations.
    Bushedpilot
    “The government is supposed to protect the constitution..” It does for US citizens. There's nowhere where it is compelled to intervene on behalf of none citizens. Where that person is elected contrary (in a rigged election) to UNHR's protocol to which is signature to. There is nothing to prevent him from voicing his opinion from any other place.
    “Liberals even think” You think without any evidence. “this group apparently admire.” Well then they are more than welcome to entertain him other than on public civic supported property.
    On the contrary no one is more authoritarian than Bolsonaro who has threatened death against political opponents, and is deeply immersed in a murderess militia organisation.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    DT unassailably confirms its ignorance with, “Clinton lost for being too conservative”.

    Clinton lost for being Clinton - a personality that is loathed by even the center of mainstream America and universally repulsive to the right.

    Were it not for the counterculture nature of Trump, Clinton would have not even been competitive.

    The opposition's lurch towards communism all but assures Trump's reelection.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Yes dear, and no doubt you think Nixon was a Democrat too....

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Are you still ashamed of your land of origin?

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Are you still ashamed of being a Russian troll?

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DT:

    REF: “That's the company whose dams have been collapsing and killing people.... and now he's in charge of Petrobras”:

    Why do you grumble so much just because of:
    - a few crumbling dams
    - a few deaths
    - a few polluted rivers
    - a few families losing their lifetime savings
    - a few families losing their livelihood
    - a little bit of environmental impact?

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Made in America.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @chronic

    REF: Made in America

    THAT's impressive:

    https://noticias.uol.com.br/ultimas-noticias/agencia-estado/2019/04/15/governo-concede-passaporte-diplomatico-a-edir-macedo-e-esposa.htm

    Crossing borders with secret documents, cash, drugs, arms [+what not] is so easy now! WHO NEEDS the exchange brokers, money changers to launder money?

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Terence,

    “they are more than welcome to entertain him other than on public civic supported property.”

    All people have a right to assemble and be heard in public places, not only those of the majority electorate.

    People with other viewpoints have equal liberties.

    Most western adult intellects, no matter their politics, understand this fundamental.

    When you turn 18 and get out and have more exposure to other adult thinking, you will come to understand this too.

    Even non-citizens, inside our borders, also have the same basic human rights. Our Supreme Court has said so.

    The people of the Brazilian-American Chamber of Commerce are American citizens. I am not arguing that Bolsonaro's rights are being denied, only theirs.


    DT,

    I am sure Nixon was a Democrat. Why else would he want to cover up and conceal that Democrats had broken into Republican National Headquarters during the 1972 election?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

    Whether conservatives used to be fanatical champions of good land stewardship or not, our constitution doesn't stipulate that rights to free assembly and free speech can be waived if the group in question is being “anti-environment”.

    Is De Blasio also a “dangerous person” for being pro-abortion? If a pro-choice locale wanted him banned from a publicly funded institution because they felt his views were hideous, you would see the logic in this?


    That cancellation by the Museum of Natural History was jointly agreed to by the MNH and the Brazilian-American Chamber of Congress. It was obviously a mutual conclusion and obviously not protested by the B-ACC.

    reuters.com/article/us-usa-brazil-museum-idUSKCN1RR2AW

    nytimes.com/2019/04/15/arts/design/natural-history-museum-will-not-host-gala-for-brazils-president.html

    I still think denying them assembly, in a non-governmental, but public institution, was wrong.

    Can I send minorities away from my private restaurant because I don't like what they stand for? That is considered very wrong.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Bushedpilot
    “I still think denying them assembly, in a non-governmental, but public institution, was wrong.”
    Perhaps, but you have to understand the sensitivities of New Yorkers towards those that advocate terrorism. Thus, “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims” which NYC has experienced with 911. So if the Brazilian-American Chamber of Commerce and Sr. Bolsonaro are not happy, then they can file a lawsuit. I don't believe the resulting publicity of the ban would be in either of their interests. Personally I would love them to take that route. The more that is revealed about this person, and American interference in Brazilian internal affairs would be a great public service.

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @bushpilot
    “I am sure Nixon was a Democrat. Why else would he want to cover up and conceal that Democrats had broken into Republican National Headquarters during the 1972 election?”

    I wish I was sure you were joking. But considering the fantasies and flat out lies I've heard from Trump supporters lately, I can't be... :(

    Bushpilot, conservatives never were 'fanatical champions of good land stewardship', but both conservatives and liberals were involved in establishing the various US National Parks, to preserve them for future generations. It used to be that people from different parties could agree on some things, but now it seems every topic has to be polarised.

    As for De Blasio, I know nothing about him. Has he ever said the US would be better off under a dictatorship, and nothing would change without starting a civil war and killing thousands of people, starting with the President?

    “Can I send minorities away from my private restaurant because I don't like what they stand for? That is considered very wrong.”

    I'm not an expert in your laws, but I'm pretty sure you would be allowed to refuse to host a meal honouring Nicolas Maduro. AFAIK you can refuse to serve someone for any reason not protected by law. Eg turning away a man for wearing no shirt is okay, turning him away because he's black is not.

    But if the cancellation was jointly agreed, then what's the problem?

    Apr 16th, 2019 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DemonTree/@bushpilot:

    Corruption-Free Politics [politicians, political parties] DOES exist - in the minds of the hallucinated, /retarded, /ignorant, /brainwashed - whatever is applicable!

    Apr 18th, 2019 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Fake news is fake and the left's reactionaries are woefully disappointed with Mueller.

    Apr 19th, 2019 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Terence Hill

    chronic i.e pathological
    “the left's reactionaries” What an oxymoron, If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass. “Reactionary opposing political or social progress or reform: reactionary attitudes toward women's rights. Reactionaries a reactionary person: he was later to become an extreme reactionary”

    Apr 19th, 2019 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    REF: “funding to scientists”:
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/04/brazil-cuts-funding-scientists-grad-students-environment-suffers/

    Apr 19th, 2019 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    The Italian Luigi Ferrajoli, one of the most renowned jurists in the world, Father of the criminal garantismo, said that the process of Lula is something shameful and scandalous for the lack of evidence, the acceleration in order to prevent his application to the presidency and the Judge, who assaulted the accused in press collectives and used the media to condemn lula in advance, thus setting up a political trial.

    Apr 23rd, 2019 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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