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“Eat, smoke, drink and be merry” recommends Norwegian health minister

Wednesday, May 8th 2019 - 08:25 UTC
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Norway's newly appointed health minister has caused controversy by saying people should be allowed to eat, smoke and drink “as much as they want”. Sylvi Listhaug also said smokers were made to feel like pariahs. Read full article

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  • Think

    Turnips like these lady thrive all over the world...

    Next time..., when confronted with the logical question of who has to pay for the humonguous public health care expenses to treat and care for a chain smoker self inflicted lung cancer..., she will happilly declare that it was his/her free choice to smoke..., so he /she must pay the costs...

    Until.., of course..., tobacco induced lung cancer hits her...

    May 08th, 2019 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    As long as they tax tobacco enough to pay for the healthcare costs, it's their funeral... literally.

    And the real problem with food is policies like the CAP that subsidise unhealthy stuff instead of fruits and vegetables.

    But this is much worse if it's accurate:

    “a bill that would have given the state the right to strip individuals of Norwegian citizenship if they were suspected of terrorism or of joining foreign militant groups.”

    Besides the question of whether it's right to strip citizenship or not, they want to punish people just on suspicion of committing a crime? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    May 08th, 2019 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Don't be silly..., lad...

    Not their funeral..., at all..

    In Norway a pack of fags costs ~11€
    Let's say that the tax on it is ~10€ per pack...
    Let's say a Norseman smokes a pack every day during 40 years before cancer ..., that gives...:
    10 €uro x 365 days x 40 years = 146,000€

    Now... the average cost for hospitalization and treatment of lung cancer in Norge is ~ 4,000€ dayly...

    What do we do with our smoking Norse friend after 36,5 days of treatment.., huhhhhhh?

    May 08th, 2019 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    I don't know where you got that number from, but not every smoker develops cancer and if it's caught early they might not even need inpatient treatment. According to this, the tobacco tax take in the UK far exceeds the amount spent by the NHS treating smokers, but adding in lost productivity means the cost to the country is probably higher.

    https://fullfact.org/economy/does-smoking-cost-much-it-makes-treasury/

    Norway surely spends proportionally more on treatment, but it can't be that different.

    Anyway, supposing taxes did cover the cost, do you think it's the government's job to stop people doing risky/harmful things? I'm unsure.

    May 08th, 2019 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Wooooooooooow......

    You found ..., in just minutes..., a..., for you..., satisfactory response for your “Devil's Advocate” needs...

    An “INDEPENDENT CHARITY” that tells us that smoking is good for business...!!!
    Furthermore..., they tell us that it is positive that smoking kills people earlier saving society the eventual longevity costs...

    With such easily manipulated youth..., there is no wonder that turnips like Sylvi Listhaug get elected and that our planet is in the deep deep shiat it is...

    May 08th, 2019 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    And your back of the envelope calculation, missing out most of the factors, was good enough for you.

    In any case, I wrote “AS LONG AS they tax tobacco enough,” I didn't claim they're currently doing so. If you think the government should be discouraging smoking as much as possible or banning it, even if it's good for the treasury, that's a different argument. DO you think so?

    PS. I never voted for your turnip, or anyone like her. That was your fellow Norwegians...

    May 08th, 2019 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    My “back of the envelope calculation” based on years of experience is quite more accurate than your “Unchecked Independent Chartiry” that claims that a full treatment of cancer in the Uk costs the NHS meager 20,000£....

    Do they ship Engrish patients to Antananarivo or Bujumbura with Ryanair for cheap witchcraft doctor treatment nowadays...?

    Get real lad...
    Check the “facts” they feed you...

    May 08th, 2019 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Is this evidence more to your liking?

    https://www.nature.com/articles/bjc201677

    To summarise the relevant bit:

    Costs in the year of the diagnosis reach £12 083 per patient age 18–64 and £9061 per patient age 65+ in lung cancer patients. Costs reduce in the years following the diagnosis but remain substantially higher than their pre-diagnosis level.

    That's cost per patient per year, not per day. And since unfortunately many lung cancer patients don't survive the year, that makes the £20000 figure seem pretty plausible.

    May 08th, 2019 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Nope...
    And you are tiring me...

    Posting links about the cost of ALL types os cancer treatment..., where most are AMBULANT has littte to do with what I am discussing here...

    If you want to believe that a full board five stars hotel overnight in London can be had for £7,99... be my guest...

    I know better...

    May 08th, 2019 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    The figures I quoted are specifically for lung cancer, and the fact most are ambulant is exactly the point. After 36.5 days of treatment your hypothetical person is being paid for by the taxes of other smokers who were more (or less) fortunate.

    Don't imagine you're the only one with experience. My partner is being treated for cancer right now, and so far he's spent one (1) night in hospital.

    May 08th, 2019 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    i DID write...:
    - *** the average cost for HOSPITALIZATION and treatment of lung cancer in Norge is ~ 4,000€ daIly...”****
    DIDN'T I...?

    Now..., if you want to cotinue comparing apples and oranges..., do it with the likes of Silvy..., that's their speciality...

    Have a nice evening...

    May 08th, 2019 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Screw you.

    May 08th, 2019 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    Shouldn't it be: “Eat, smoke, drink and be WITH Mary”?

    May 12th, 2019 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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